resignation during the session

[damdu]

Can a model quit during the shoot or does she have to stay for a certain period of time?

 

[FFT32]

I have to imagine they could tap out if they needed to, even with a contract.

 

[SoleMates]

Models are always free to quit and leave whenever they want, because kidnapping is a felony.

Furthermore, anyone who's been doing this for long enough has done enough networking that if they were to attempt to strong-arm a model like this, the rest of the modeling community would come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd never be able to hire anyone worthwhile again. Reference checks are a thing in this industry.

The only logical question that could stem from this situation is whether or not the model deserves to be paid if she walks off set. It's never happened to me, but if it did, I would only pay her for the time she worked. Can't speak for anyone else in that regard, but I don't pay up front and no model has ever asked me to do so.

Use your brains, guys. For once. please.

 

[P[a]pi]

In general consent can be revoked at any time. Also mcdonalds can't hold a worker hostage, sooo a producer can't either lol.

 

[Soles_Scream]

Models are always free to quit and leave whenever they want, because kidnapping is a felony.

Furthermore, anyone who's been doing this for long enough has done enough networking that if they were to attempt to strong-arm a model like this, the rest of the modeling community would come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd never be able to hire anyone worthwhile again. Reference checks are a thing in this industry.

The only logical question that could stem from this situation is whether or not the model deserves to be paid if she walks off set. It's never happened to me, but if it did, I would only pay her for the time she worked. Can't speak for anyone else in that regard, but I don't pay up front and no model has ever asked me to do so.

Use your brains, guys. For once. please.

I have very little to add to what SoleMates already said. The model can and should be able to quit at any point. If I did something to trigger the resignation, then I'd pay the model in full regardless of how much time passed. A model has never resigned on my set, but you can bet I've got protocol that I'll follow in the event that one does. Also, don't get in this business if you're not prepared to financially eat your mistakes or in some cases take the financial hit in general.

 

[U.N.Owen]

I have very little to add to what SoleMates already said. The model can and should be able to quit at any point. If I did something to trigger the resignation, then I'd pay the model in full regardless of how much time passed. A model has never resigned on my set, but you can bet I've got protocol that I'll follow in the event that one does. Also, don't get in this business if you're not prepared to financially eat your mistakes or in some cases take the financial hit in general.

Gee, you mean the producers who claim "we tricked X model into a situation she didn't understand, and made sure she didn't have a safeword so we could do whatever we wanted while she panicked!" are full of it? 🙄 Whoever would have imagined it.

(I've never understood why any producer would even want people to believe they did that kind of thing. Yes, it's selling a fantasy that appeals to some buyers - as a fantasy. But in reality it's a crime, and not exactly good for business.)

 

[SoleMates]

Gee, you mean the producers who claim "we tricked X model into a situation she didn't understand, and made sure she didn't have a safeword so we could do whatever we wanted while she panicked!" are full of it? 🙄 Whoever would have imagined it.

(I've never understood why any producer would even want people to believe they did that kind of thing. Yes, it's selling a fantasy that appeals to some buyers - as a fantasy. But in reality it's a crime, and not exactly good for business.)

Honestly, this is a really thorny subject. I can't speak for anyone but myself and the other producers I've either interacted with or heard about via word of mouth.

If I had to speculate, I'd say that it's possible that in the good ol' days before things were more organized, it might have been, well, maybe not common, but it certainly could have been easier to get away with. We had a lot of fly-by-night producers who would pop up, make a few videos, and then disappear. We have no idea why they disappeared, but we did hear the occasional snippet of wrongdoing about people, like that guy who would jerk off on underage models, or whatever. Given that the bulk of models back then were naive coeds, it stands to reason that even if a producer was a creep, nobody would find out about it. For some reason, women are loathe to report assaults to the authorities. They'll pretty much tell anyone who'll listen except the authorities, in my experience. (Disclaimer: I am not judging. I recognize that there are a lot of valid reasons why this may occur.) As a result of this, unless the producer was part of her immediate social circle (highly unlikely), it would be basically impossible to damage their reputation on the scale that we see today.

That said... now? The bulk of models more established producers use come from the fetish modeling community. This community is hella organized; there are group chats, Twitter communities, even websites with "backstage" areas for the models to swap stories and give the yea or nay to working with people. People check references and are far more wary about GWCs than they used to be. Any wannabe who pulled some shady shit would most likely get blacklisted and only be able to make do with hiring coeds, and the venues for doing that shrink more and more every year. No established producer would be able to sustainably hire fetish models if they were creeps.

Even so, I do occasionally hear bad stories about said established producers, but clearly they aren't bad enough that said producers don't continue to find talent.

But yes, as a general rule, you're correct. Attempting to do something like what you or the OP are suggesting is stupid-risky and very harmful to the long-term health of their studio. And given that the OP has asked some form of this question at least four or five times over the last two years, at this point I reckon it's less out of curiosity and more out of the hope that one of us will eventually slip up and admit that yes, we do abuse our models in whatever creepy controlling way that gets him off.

Can pretty much guarantee we don't, tho.

 

[U.N.Owen]

Honestly, this is a really thorny subject. I can't speak for anyone but myself and the other producers I've either interacted with or heard about via word of mouth.

If I had to speculate, I'd say that it's possible that in the good ol' days before things were more organized, it might have been, well, maybe not common, but it certainly could have been easier to get away with. We had a lot of fly-by-night producers who would pop up, make a few videos, and then disappear. We have no idea why they disappeared, but we did hear the occasional snippet of wrongdoing about people, like that guy who would jerk off on underage models, or whatever. Given that the bulk of models back then were naive coeds, it stands to reason that even if a producer was a creep, nobody would find out about it. For some reason, women are loathe to report assaults to the authorities. They'll pretty much tell anyone who'll listen except the authorities, in my experience. (Disclaimer: I am not judging. I recognize that there are a lot of valid reasons why this may occur.) As a result of this, unless the producer was part of her immediate social circle (highly unlikely), it would be basically impossible to damage their reputation on the scale that we see today.

That said... now? The bulk of models more established producers use come from the fetish modeling community. This community is hella organized; there are group chats, Twitter communities, even websites with "backstage" areas for the models to swap stories and give the yea or nay to working with people. People check references and are far more wary about GWCs than they used to be. Any wannabe who pulled some shady shit would most likely get blacklisted and only be able to make do with hiring coeds, and the venues for doing that shrink more and more every year. No established producer would be able to sustainably hire fetish models if they were creeps.

Even so, I do occasionally hear bad stories about said established producers, but clearly they aren't bad enough that said producers don't continue to find talent.

But yes, as a general rule, you're correct. Attempting to do something like what you or the OP are suggesting is stupid-risky and very harmful to the long-term health of their studio. And given that the OP has asked some form of this question at least four or five times over the last two years, at this point I reckon it's less out of curiosity and more out of the hope that one of us will eventually slip up and admit that yes, we do abuse our models in whatever creepy controlling way that gets him off.

Can pretty much guarantee we don't, tho.

Thanks, a thoughtful response.

No doubt there have been shady producers... but I've seen the "we tricked her" etc. line even from reputable producers with many repeat models who clearly aren't actually doing such things, except maybe in the "pushing a bit further than we said because we all know each other so we can be more cheeky than we would be with a stranger" sense.

I once saw a producer (a while back) who pitched a "we did things we said we wouldn't do" scenario and got blowback for it... who then responded that the "we said we wouldn't" part was actually before they discussed it and agreed they in fact would, with a safeword that was used and respected.

 

[SoleMates]

Thanks, a thoughtful response.

No problem. And you're absolutely correct. One of the things I absolutely hate about producing content for this niche is the fact that the kinds of fantasies and scenarios that people want to see are also the kinds of fantasies and scenarios that would often cross the line were they real, and there are enough people in this community that are dumb enough to think/hope that they are real that it gives me pause. Personally I think we as producers have a responsibility to make it as abundantly clear as possible at every possible opportunity that this is fantasy, and the community itself needs to get it through their thick skulls that we're not living out their dreams of doing the kind of creepy shit that they would do if no one was looking.

Moral of the story; you're not privy to whatever backroom dealings were had to get the footage that you're consuming. Don't believe everything you see on the telly.

 

[U.N.Owen]

No problem. And you're absolutely correct. One of the things I absolutely hate about producing content for this niche is the fact that the kinds of fantasies and scenarios that people want to see are also the kinds of fantasies and scenarios that would often cross the line were they real, and there are enough people in this community that are dumb enough to think/hope that they are real that it gives me pause. Personally I think we as producers have a responsibility to make it as abundantly clear as possible at every possible opportunity that this is fantasy, and the community itself needs to get it through their thick skulls that we're not living out their dreams of doing the kind of creepy shit that they would do if no one was looking.

Moral of the story; you're not privy to whatever backroom dealings were had to get the footage that you're consuming. Don't believe everything you see on the telly.

Well said.