sexy cruel F/F

[maniactickler]

She loved it! and remember, no means yes! bwahahahaha!

 

[LD_Tickler]

Babbles' reasoning is correct as regards informed consent, but based on what I'm seeing, I don't believe there was deception or trickery, and that element is just being overstated for the purposes of advertising.

For other examples of less-than-perfectly-sincere marketing, see everything everywhere.

 

[tkl-pen]

Babbles, I appreciate your concern for this girl, but I do think some good points have been made relative to contracts, releases, professionalism and so on. If this girl was genuinely taken beyond the limits she agreed to, then I would agree with you. But I would certainly expect that girl, or any other ticklee, to become visibly very angry, cursing and swearing, screaming and crying to be released and threatening the ones doing this to her, if she was being abused. That, absolutely, is not the case here. It certainly is nice to see you raise the issue, though, knowing the responses you are likely to get.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Quick clarification - people have the right to break contracts, it just means the terms won't be fulfilled (ie, models won't get paid). Having signed a contract to do a tickling video doesn't mean you're not allowed to back out if experiencing duress, nor does it mean the other participants don't have to stop if you want them to.

But again, I don't think that's what's going on here. I think it's just important that people don't base their opinions on false notions of how contracts work.

 

[maniactickler]

Hey, any girl that signs up for a video with a business called "Tickle Abuse" should expect the worst!

 

[LD_Tickler]

Hey, any girl that signs up for a video with a business called "Tickle Abuse" should expect the worst!

Maybe... but this is really about whether it's legal or moral to inflict duress because the victim signed a contract, and the answer to both is no.

But, AGAIN, so I'm not misunderstood, I'm speaking generally. I don't think any misconduct is at work in this clip.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

Maybe... but this is really about whether it's legal or moral to inflict duress because the victim signed a contract, and the answer to both is no.

But, AGAIN, so I'm not misunderstood, I'm speaking generally. I don't think any misconduct is at work in this clip.

The discussion has continued here: http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=180941

 

[Bohemianne]

It was a HOT quality clip. Nice soles, pretty model. Intensely HOT!

I LIKE IT.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I quietly browse your material, Tommy and I've always enjoyed the concepts you've managed to come out with. You tap into every single element out there. I even had an idea after posting in here about another device you could possibly create for further amusement with your filming.

The models are hot and you know what you're doing. Keep up the excellent work. You've got a fan here.

 

[primetime]

Babbles, since you addressed me, I will respond. Please use common sense for once. Do you honestly think that Tommy would put up evidence of an actual crime? Use your head.

Second, doesn't it strike you as odd, that if it was TRUE abuse, then why on this planet would the model enjoy the sexual interaction with Brooke? If she is getting tickled against her will, I highly doubt she would welcome Brooke touching her "woman bits". That should be your first clue that she was okay with what was happening.

You know, the model should get an award for acting because Babbles is actually falling for the "almost non consentual" line. My goodness woman, use your head!!!!!!!

 

[Babbles]

I'll try not to take up more space.

I swear to god I think you search "non con" just to come into threads and blow them up with your bullshit commentary.

Models have to sign R.E.L.E.A.S.E.S. If they don't, then no filmy. As one person previously mentioned; Tommy's been in the business long enough that I think he knows what the fuck he's doing.

It's been about a year, Babbles, why don't you just start another non-con thread in TK or Gen Dis so everyone can collectively come together and tell you to pop another xanax and worry about the trees.

Okay -- highly aggressive, poisonously meanspirited, mostly inaccurate, purposely unconstructive----- Got TROLL?
That Screw-You-I'm-Bulletproof A.T.T.I.T.U.D.E. sure as hell ain't Yoda.

Speaking of total bullshit for the sole purpose of blowing up....

You're only describing yourself
Enjoy your outdoor Pharm Party & don't waste my time.

Babbles, it's called advertisement. Tickle Abuse is selling a clip so he's going to do what he can to get people interested. He's building up a fantasy. If he honestly lied to Kali (the lee) that Brooke (the ler) was not going to stop torturing her, then he's one fucked up producer and would be sued to kingdom come.

The models in every video clip that we see has to sign a release forum. If the model doesn't sign it, then the shoot doesn't take place. It's to protect both the model and the producer. The models know exactly what's going to happen.

BTW, to the OP, awesome clip.

TK, of course I'm aware of that, I took that into consideration as I stated when I posted earlier --- and later ---- However there ARE fuck-ups who take advantage of friends, get greedy, etc...
Apparently this guy isn't one of them, but that wasn't obvious then. He referred us here, so I explain here (again) though I don't really expect people to read this in triplicate --- (but at least *once would be nice if I'm gonna be head-smacked for it): http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=180941

She loved it! and remember, no means yes! bwahahahaha!

Yeah, yeah, you are SUCH a Republican... 🙄 I know, just like a vote for Gore meant Bush if you accessed a voting machine down South.... 😛

Babbles, I appreciate your concern for this girl, but I do think some good points have been made relative to contracts, releases, professionalism and so on. If this girl was genuinely taken beyond the limits she agreed to, then I would agree with you. But I would certainly expect that girl, or any other ticklee, to become visibly very angry, cursing and swearing, screaming and crying to be released and threatening the ones doing this to her, if she was being abused. That, absolutely, is not the case here. It certainly is nice to see you raise the issue, though, knowing the responses you are likely to get.

Seriously, thank you so much for that valuable insight 🙂 That was very thoughtful of you -- And you're right -- polite, informative, constructive reactions are DEFINITELY not to be taken for granted...

Babbles' reasoning is correct as regards informed consent, but based on what I'm seeing, I don't believe there was deception or trickery, and that element is just being overstated for the purposes of advertising.

For other examples of less-than-perfectly-sincere marketing, see everything everywhere.

Ditto -- Again, very much appreciated 🙂 You can't imagine the relief at evidence others do at least READ...

Babbles, since you addressed me, I will respond. Please use common sense for once. Do you honestly think that Tommy would put up evidence of an actual crime? Use your head.

Second, doesn't it strike you as odd, that if it was TRUE abuse, then why on this planet would the model enjoy the sexual interaction with Brooke? If she is getting tickled against her will, I highly doubt she would welcome Brooke touching her "woman bits". That should be your first clue that she was okay with what was happening.

You know, the model should get an award for acting because Babbles is actually falling for the "almost non consentual" line. My goodness woman, use your head!!!!!!!

(Actually I only "addressed" you in response to the resounding head-smack you gave me a page or so back)
--- But yes, I used that head, as you know I've seen these arguments before --- my posts earlier & below explain http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=180941
As I've said I'm reacting to others' feedback since I won't buy anything marked Non-Con, so I go by what I'm told from more than one source, including the producer himself (though I didn't take the advertising as gospel either).
Too many told me it seemed like too much & genuinely unexpected torture. Which still isn't incorrect, it seems... But -- see the link this producer provided.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Do you know him personally, and can you vouch for him? (Then again I don't know you either). Is he now Infallible? Gimme a break. If he did/arranged this with this other Ler it's not right ---- unless the model did agree.

I don't care how long someone's been in this business, that's no excuse to start tricking models, *IF that's what happened.
At the very least it's irresponsible to market that, even if it didn't go down that way.



Primetime, if that's accurate that's Non-Con torture, abuse, imprisonment with torture, whatever --- not what she agreed to --- Huge difference, all the difference ----

and don't tell me I have to shut up when someone posts "Oh look, this model was tricked into a nasty long severe session she didn't agree to." ----

I've said before there should BE disclaimers (though of course that can abused as well, but not if the model signs an agreement beforehand which fully covers what will be done --- No SURPRISE TORTURE, geez man, what's wrong with you.... ).

If what she agrees to is quite different from what occurs -- "Not cool" doesn't begin to cover it.
This is a business & it should be run responsibly. Which is why, as I stated peacefully, I hope this is a gimmick.

Actually I think there's something very wrong with those who DON'T question.

I find it disturbing you not only DON'T question this but are against free speech & expression in a public thread as well.

Let's see, what would Jesus do?

That's right! Jesus wouldn't give a rat's ass and get on with his life!

 

[ace1986]

One of your best video's.

 

[drewskee]

I swear to god I think you search "non con" just to come into threads and blow them up with your bullshit commentary.

Models have to sign R.E.L.E.A.S.E.S. If they don't, then no filmy. As one person previously mentioned; Tommy's been in the business long enough that I think he knows what the fuck he's doing.

It's been about a year, Babbles, why don't you just start another non-con thread in TK or Gen Dis so everyone can collectively come together and tell you to pop another xanax and worry about the trees.

I quietly browse your material, Tommy and I've always enjoyed the concepts you've managed to come out with. You tap into every single element out there. I even had an idea after posting in here about another device you could possibly create for further amusement with your filming.

The models are hot and you know what you're doing. Keep up the excellent work. You've got a fan here.

Let's see, what would Jesus do?

That's right! Jesus wouldn't give a rat's ass and get on with his life!

I very much agree with the above statements.

As for the actual video, I found it fucking hot and amazing, as TA videos usually are. Keep on doin' what you're doin', Tommy! 😀

 

[Angel77]

Now that is one ticklish girl!

 

[mstrtk45]

Absolutely plain F##King incredible!!!

 

[ticklebrowse26]

Superhot! Brooke is second only to Priscilla James.

 

[ViperGTS]

JESUS CHRIST.

Babbles, you are either as daft as a brick or nothing more than a troll.

YOU'RE ON A FUCKING TICKLING FETISH FORUM.

You're not some knight-in-shining-armor (of the female persuasion) who's prime directive is to save everyone on the planet from being offended or double-crossed. You're here to explore an interest in tickling, as well as NINETY THOUSAND other people (give or take a few grand).

If you do not like the fact that, every now and then, a sexual fantasy is fulfilled for someone, somewhere, on a sexual fetish forum, PLEASE LEAVE.

Your bullshit is getting boring and it's becoming a nuisance. You troll the boards for anything you think might possibly be somewhat in a way immoral and you blast people for it like they've been tried and convicted of rape. Either stay the fuck out of threads that do not suit your case or get the fuck off this forum, because you clearly are NOT in the right place.

I'm all for accepting everyone's little nuiances and idiosyncrasies, but shit, you're down as low as making direct and personal attacks on a respected member of this community and borderline accusing him of felonious crimes in the process. Calm your jets, woman.

____________

BTW, I think that video was fucking HOT.

 

[Babbles]

Viper,

Where the hell have you been?

You come out swinging aggressively now to do what exactly,

other than blow up a valid discussion that was already resolved

with the usual vapid macho grandstanding?

READ before you TROLL.

*

 

[thundergatti]

Although i do believe in the freedom of speech and everyone being entitled to express their own opinion i think it does become too much when you saturate every relevant topic you can find and push your opinion down peoples throats.

Babbles you are far too eager to presume the worst about a number of producers who imply non con or merciless tickling to market their videos. Before posting here berating the ethics and morality of the producers and those who buy the clips surely it would be easier to PM the producer yourself if it disturbs you so much. Have you ever watched any of the clips you are so keen to criticise, surely if your so concerned it would be more productive to watch the clip yourself and if you feel genuine abuse has occured take the appropaite action yourself.

You kinda took the same assupmtions with the tickleslaves videos and i can assure you that they are also no way non-con. To be honest i do look for the more intense clips and bought a couple of tickle slaves expecting it to be what it turned out to be, the fantasy of non con tickling, if it had been otherwise and someone getting genuinely tortured against their will then i would have posted about it myself but its just not the case.

I think your out of line accusing Tommy of irresponsible marketing, how the producers market their videos is really nothing to do with you and seeing as how a lot of members here are into intense tickling videos then selling the fantasy of non con and merciless tickling seems quite clever marketing to me.

You need to give the members here more credit than you do for having the common sense to judge for themselves that what they are watching is not some kind of snuff flick were the models rights have been violated and accept that there is an aspect of sadism that comes with a tickle fetish but most people know that doesn't override the rights of the models invloved.

You've made your point, on several threads, 3 posts on this thread before anyone responded to you. You have to admit that after your first post here when everyone just carried on discussing the video it does seem a tad obsessive to keep posting to make people listen or provoke a response.

I understand your never going to change your opinion on these kinds of implied non con vids, but then your probably not changing anyone elses either and its not as if most people here don't know your point of view regarding this subject. Just suggesting that maybe in the future use a little more discression or get a few more facts before jumping in and knocking a thread off topic.

 

[Amanda Cortez]

Does that stupid discussion never end? I've watched the complete vid and it is fucken hot. Please more stuff like that. I love it extreme and others here do that too. If someone doesn't like such stuff then she/he doesn't has to watch it. Amen

 

[Fat Bastard]

Don’t worry Babs baby, I still love you!

 

[ViperGTS]

This discussion is why some political activists annoy me. They never know when to shut the hell up. 😀

 

[riker13]

You know Babbles is nuts because of the crazy typefaces and formatting. It looks like something out of http://www.timecube.com/

 

[Speedbump]

Babbles killed mah boner. There must be an ignore function somewhere..

Great clip. Wish I had money to buy the full thing.