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Shaming producers who sell awful tickling clips!

I'm totally gonna get blamed for that...

Ignoring the hodgepodge of anger.... The word "awful" is relative and subject to opinion, as is the word "great"!

He may not answer the question, but I can!

My idea of an awesome clip is:

1. Complete and utter tickle torment- begging, screaming, cursing, silent laughter, gasping for breath, real tears, real anger
(Now I just alienated the ones who love tickling on a playful, erotic level, or semi-torturous level.)

2. Completely nude female lee
(I'm sure that has kinda left out the folks who love nylons, or string bikinis, or even the people who would like the person to be fully clothed.)

3. Male Ler, fully clothed because we all know that females suck at topping, and no one cares what the guy's body looks like!(There goes all the people who like f/f, and I probably pissed off all of the gals too. Who cares! I'm still right!)

4. NO DIALOGUE or Roleplay- If the girl can talk, she isn't getting tickled enough! And lers should also be seen and NOT HEARD!
(Sorry all of you who like a setting, a plot, and some playful banter. Go away!)

5. No Safewords- Those are for the weak and the spineless! AND FOR THE ACTORS! We all know that tickle torture isn't real if you can stop it!
(Well... I bet nearly all of you are running for the hills now. Aww... You know you still want to watch it.)

6. Tickling in the worst most responsive spots even if it means NO FEET!
(Sorry foot lovers. Not your idea of a good time? Oh well!)

Now, if the production companies can't produce this video to my personal liking, those companies are completely worthless and that is what is meant by producing TURDS and not good, quality tickling material!

And because only my opinion matters, I can further alienate everyone on the board by making fun of you and your viewpoints as if it will discredit you and make me even more RIGHT!

I kinda wanna add, "Kneel before Zod," but I don't wanna piss anybody else off!

:upsidedow
Sunny

heeheehee

But it doesn't detract from the awesomeness.

And the response will be EPIC.
 
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Fortunately, I did not save your private message admiring it when I first joined this place!! It can just be the one sentence you nitpick against your game of nitpicking

Just because I happen to like the same stuff as you do, I don't expect EVERYBODY to like the same stuff. 🙂 That is the difference! 🙂
 
While it is indeed a refined taste, it certainly can become acquired. You should have a little more faith in your fellow TMFers!!


Just because I happen to like the same stuff as you do, I don't expect EVERYBODY to like the same stuff. 🙂 That is the difference! 🙂
 
While it is indeed a refined taste, it certainly can become acquired. You should have a little more faith in your fellow TMFers!!

To each their own! That's why there are so many different kinds of clips!
 
Thanks.... Just trying to find more ways/ places to get us all together. 😀
 
I think ultimately the point of this thread (although it has somewhat deteriorated into something else) was to voice frustration about video clip quality in general and it is in his right to do so.

I have a hard drive filled with 12 years or so of vids and pictures of tickling. After spending probably well over a couple grand of my hard earned cash over the years I guesstimate that over 50% of it has been sub par. Yes I agree that previews on TMF and tickle theater have done wonders for reviewing the product before you buy it. However, it is painfully obvious that even the best producers make up for lower quality vids (like Hollywood producers) with shiny, skillfully/strategically cut, sometimes misleading previews, rather than just discarding the video altogether and taking the loss.

I do NOT (I repeat DO NOT) condone snarky, insulting comments (which are all too common on all forums), that said, I think that vid producers should take note of a customer's valid opinions rather than just becoming defensive.
But all of the "if you dont like it dont buy it" comments on this thread seem to lack sympathy and empathy when WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE BAD VIDEOS OUT THERE. Even though, like defining pornography its hard to describe but we know it when we see it, that doesnt mean they dont exist. What became of the customer is always right?

While many producers represented on this forum strive for perfection and make movies for the love of it, many on c4s are just making vids (perhaps to branch out to new genres) that are often low quality, which gives the whole game a black eye and can discourage newbies to the tickling world from buying any more vids. Remember, TMF and tickle theater are not on everyone's radar. For many C4S is a what you see is what you get situation.
Also since clips are usually between 5-15 mins long, previews UNDER 30 seconds (yes I appreciate the time constraints and you dont want to give away your product) really arent giving a full chance for a potential buyer to "like it" or not. So saying "If you dont like it then dont buy it" is a bit unfair.

Also, I read some comments saying that if you dont like video producers' work then start your own company or just be quiet, essentially. Would you say that about any other product? I mean really, If you go to a Hollywood movie and marched out unimpressed and someone said: "If you didnt like the movie make your own company" what would you say to them?

I know vid producers dont like to down their fellow competitors and I admire that kind of rare solidarity but I would advise against standing up for low quality products just because some irate customer is voicing frustration. If your company has good sales well then you probably have a good product and he most likely isnt talking about you. However, if your company produces porn or other fetish material and you are trying to gain headway into the a new market by producing garbage, selling it on C4S and 1) making misleading previews 2) using 10 second crap previews on C4S or 3)flat out refusing to make previews and yet charging a dollar or more a minute per clip...well you should feel the bead of sweat streaming,ever so slowly, down your temple.
 
I think ultimately the point of this thread (although it has somewhat deteriorated into something else) was to voice frustration about video clip quality in general and it is in his right to do so.

I have a hard drive filled with 12 years or so of vids and pictures of tickling. After spending probably well over a couple grand of my hard earned cash over the years I guesstimate that over 50% of it has been sub par. Yes I agree that previews on TMF and tickle theater have done wonders for reviewing the product before you buy it. However, it is painfully obvious that even the best producers make up for lower quality vids (like Hollywood producers) with shiny, skillfully/strategically cut, sometimes misleading previews, rather than just discarding the video altogether and taking the loss.

I do NOT (I repeat DO NOT) condone snarky, insulting comments (which are all too common on all forums), that said, I think that vid producers should take note of a customer's valid opinions rather than just becoming defensive.
But all of the "if you dont like it dont buy it" comments on this thread seem to lack sympathy and empathy when WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE BAD VIDEOS OUT THERE. Even though, like defining pornography its hard to describe but we know it when we see it, that doesnt mean they dont exist. What became of the customer is always right?

While many producers represented on this forum strive for perfection and make movies for the love of it, many on c4s are just making vids (perhaps to branch out to new genres) that are often low quality, which gives the whole game a black eye and can discourage newbies to the tickling world from buying any more vids. Remember, TMF and tickle theater are not on everyone's radar. For many C4S is a what you see is what you get situation.
Also since clips are usually between 5-15 mins long, previews UNDER 30 seconds (yes I appreciate the time constraints and you dont want to give away your product) really arent giving a full chance for a potential buyer to "like it" or not. So saying "If you dont like it then dont buy it" is a bit unfair.

Also, I read some comments saying that if you dont like video producers' work then start your own company or just be quiet, essentially. Would you say that about any other product? I mean really, If you go to a Hollywood movie and marched out unimpressed and someone said: "If you didnt like the movie make your own company" what would you say to them?

I know vid producers dont like to down their fellow competitors and I admire that kind of rare solidarity but I would advise against standing up for low quality products just because some irate customer is voicing frustration. If your company has good sales well then you probably have a good product and he most likely isnt talking about you. However, if your company produces porn or other fetish material and you are trying to gain headway into the a new market by producing garbage, selling it on C4S and 1) making misleading previews 2) using 10 second crap previews on C4S or 3)flat out refusing to make previews and yet charging a dollar or more a minute per clip...well you should feel the bead of sweat streaming,ever so slowly, down your temple.

Good points. I'd like to add a few comments, however.

Firstly, "The Customer is Always Right" is a crock, and many, if not all, businesses acknowledge that. There are a couple of good articles that detail exactly why, but the long and short of it is that bending over backwards to please hostile and/or unpleasable people is demoralizing to the staff and sends the message that abuse gets better service.

Secondly, there is no objective standard by which you can measure tickling clips. Some of my favorite models of all time (of ALL TIME!) have been called fakes by the so-called "experts" in this community. Everyone likes to see different things. Every model reacts differently. About the only thing you can do is point out things that are, for lack of a better term, "dishonest" (like if the video advertises rib tickling and the tickler never goes near them) in reviews and the like.

Thirdly, "Don't like, don't buy" is not only perfectly valid, it's the only solution. Do you think Hollywood gives a flip if people rant about how much Alvin & the Chipmunks sucked on their blogs if the movie still turned a profit? No. No, they don't. The only thing that businesses see is the bottom line. People not buying their videos makes them take notice. Some frustrated twit ranting about how he's going to "shame" them (O NOES) barely registers because there's no shortage of bile on the Intertubes.

Fourthly, I have a very simple model regarding how I make my purchases. A producer gets no second chances. If I buy a video from you and I don't like it, I don't buy from you again. Simple. I also question the logic of spending thousands of dollars on a product that, on the average, has proven unsatisfactory. If you keep spending, they'll keep making.

I don't waste my breath on complaining. I've said over and over again that I hate plots and shitty dialogue in videos, and wa hey, videos still have shitty plots and dialogue. Looks like that's workin' out for me. :blimey:
 
oooh Ok, I will respond

Good points. I'd like to add a few comments, however.

Firstly, "The Customer is Always Right" is a crock, and many, if not all, businesses acknowledge that. There are a couple of good articles that detail exactly why, but the long and short of it is that bending over backwards to please hostile and/or unpleasable people is demoralizing to the staff and sends the message that abuse gets better service.

Secondly, there is no objective standard by which you can measure tickling clips. Some of my favorite models of all time (of ALL TIME!) have been called fakes by the so-called "experts" in this community. Everyone likes to see different things. Every model reacts differently. About the only thing you can do is point out things that are, for lack of a better term, "dishonest" (like if the video advertises rib tickling and the tickler never goes near them) in reviews and the like.

Thirdly, "Don't like, don't buy" is not only perfectly valid, it's the only solution. Do you think Hollywood gives a flip if people rant about how much Alvin & the Chipmunks sucked on their blogs if the movie still turned a profit? No. No, they don't. The only thing that businesses see is the bottom line. People not buying their videos makes them take notice. Some frustrated twit ranting about how he's going to "shame" them (O NOES) barely registers because there's no shortage of bile on the Intertubes.

Fourthly, I have a very simple model regarding how I make my purchases. A producer gets no second chances. If I buy a video from you and I don't like it, I don't buy from you again. Simple. I also question the logic of spending thousands of dollars on a product that, on the average, has proven unsatisfactory. If you keep spending, they'll keep making.

I don't waste my breath on complaining. I've said over and over again that I hate plots and shitty dialogue in videos, and wa hey, videos still have shitty plots and dialogue. Looks like that's workin' out for me. :blimey:

As much as I enjoy talking about business principles (sarcasm)...I dont think very many CEO's would agree that "The customer is always right" or (as in Asia) "The Customer is King" is as you so aptly put it is a "crock". They spend waaaay too much money funding and staffing customer service, customer care and customer complaint departments. Whether the company in question is in fact serious about this is relative. As it were, not all dissatisfied customers are "hostile" or "un pleasable" but rather people who paid money for a product and therefore their feelings should be treated with respect. no? That said I am sure we can go round and round on this since it is a opinionated issue but I guarantee when a producer on this forum post a video with no foot tickling they will get swamped with" "great but no foot tickling" or "cmon did you tickle her feet" or "I prefer foot tickling" all not very nice comments. But you know what? The next time that producer will post some foot tickling.

As to your second part cant or wont argue with you but I will ask you a rhetorical question: Have you ever seen a video that was bad? I mean no laughter, weak laughter (as in not laughing much) or a close up of a foot and a feather and music in the background or maybe a little softcore porn where the guy tickles the girls rib once while she is giving him a blow job. Have you ever seen that under the title: "the most ticklish girl blah blah"? Seriously Phineas I know you've been around for a while, I remember seeing you round here so I know you've seen some garbage that wasn't just a matter of personal opinion.

For your third point... actually I liked Alvin and the Chipmunks (lie).
Hollywood absolutely cares what the audience thinks
exhibit 1. Advertising: I mean how much do you think movie producers spend to get buts in the seat?
exhibit 2. Critics: If a movie is bad the studio wont release it early to critics in an attempt to generate as much foot traffic as possible.
Exhibit 3. Ever heard of Nielsen ratings?
and on and on. The fact that business only cares about the bottom line is exactly why they care.

Your fourth point was a bit of a low blow directed at me but I will suck it up and respond. I have been in the tickle community since 95. I remember the good old days when there was just WAV files and Jpegs. I remember when A.N.A. , Realtickling, Paradise Vison, Femfeet and a handful of other independent video producers were all we had here. My have we come a looong way. I have bought products from just about EVERY vid producer that has been out just to give them all a try. Some were good some were not so good some were horrible.
So the logic that you question is simple I support tickling production under the guise of "those who cant do, buy". If you are implying that I give money over and over again to a bunk producer like an idiot I do not but thanks for your concern about my mental well-being. How much money have YOU spent? did you like everything YOU bought? I mean c'mon lets not sink this thread any lower.

One thing that I have found in life is that where there are 100 unhappy people there is always 1 guy who says: "everything is fine for me". My response to him is "Great!" I wish you continued luck in your travels. But just because everything is great for you or as you said: "I don't waste my breath complaining" and "Looks like that's workin' out for me" That doesnt mean that other people who are dissatisfied and have the audacity to complain about it are total loser, whiners or "unpleasable". If you are satisfied with your lot then cool, good for you. So why waste your breath attacking THOSE people who DO have an issue? :beathorse:

And finally....are you a vid producer? because my comment was largely directed at them thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion and throwing a low blow at me that was.... special.
 
As much as I enjoy talking about business principles (sarcasm)...I dont think very many CEO's would agree that "The customer is always right" or (as in Asia) "The Customer is King" is as you so aptly put it is a "crock". They spend waaaay too much money funding and staffing customer service, customer care and customer complaint departments. Whether the company in question is in fact serious about this is relative. As it were, not all dissatisfied customers are "hostile" or "un pleasable" but rather people who paid money for a product and therefore their feelings should be treated with respect. no?

You're correct in that a business cannot afford to not provide customer service or tailor their product to their market, so in that regard, yes; businesses are obligated to make their customer base happy.

HOWEVER, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring, specifically, to people getting loud and annoying and throwing a temper tantrum, because those are the people who love to throw around the phrase "the customer is always right" in order to bully the business owners into giving them free stuff. In the context of this thread, IE, "shaming producers who sell awful tickling clips", I don't agree that "shaming" producers under the pretext of "the customer is always right" is particularly constructive, because based on my experience, it doesn't really work that way. Your mileage may vary.

That said I am sure we can go round and round on this since it is a opinionated issue but I guarantee when a producer on this forum post a video with no foot tickling they will get swamped with" "great but no foot tickling" or "cmon did you tickle her feet" or "I prefer foot tickling" all not very nice comments. But you know what? The next time that producer will post some foot tickling.

And that's a smart thing to do. The customer asks for what he wants (in a civil fashion, pretty much), and the producer, er... produces. You won't find me arguing against that.

As to your second part cant or wont argue with you but I will ask you a rhetorical question: Have you ever seen a video that was bad? I mean no laughter, weak laughter (as in not laughing much) or a close up of a foot and a feather and music in the background or maybe a little softcore porn where the guy tickles the girls rib once while she is giving him a blow job. Have you ever seen that under the title: "the most ticklish girl blah blah"? Seriously Phineas I know you've been around for a while, I remember seeing you round here so I know you've seen some garbage that wasn't just a matter of personal opinion.

Of course I've seen bad videos. I just, for the most part, don't pay for them. I think, all told, I've spent maybe fifteen, twenty dollars tops on videos I haven't liked. Sure, some that I've bought could have been better, but I still felt like I got my money's worth.

exhibit 1. Advertising: I mean how much do you think movie producers spend to get buts in the seat?

Butts in the seats equal ticket sales, not happy moviegoers. Once you've paid for your ticket they don't care if you actually enjoyed the movie as long as you don't ask for a refund. Nowadays, it's all about the opening weekend. If a movie tanks beyond that, as long as it made back a bit more than it cost within the first week or so, the studio is happy.

exhibit 2. Critics: If a movie is bad the studio wont release it early to critics in an attempt to generate as much foot traffic as possible.

And yet even when critics hate a movie it still gets sequels, because it turned a profit. Nobody listens to movie critics other than other movie critics.

Your fourth point was a bit of a low blow directed at me but I will suck it up and respond.

My fourth point was an honest question, not an insult. You've admitted to spending a huge amount of money on bad product. I wanted to know why that was. You answered me. No harm, no foul. But honestly, if you keep shelling out money for bad product, then video producers will keep making bad product. We get people in this forum all the time complaining about the plethora of vibrator videos but they're still getting made because people are buying them.

How much money have YOU spent?

I don't know. Not as much as you, obviously, but I have a decent enough collection.

did you like everything YOU bought? I mean c'mon lets not sink this thread any lower.

Yeah, actually I did with one or two exceptions. And I didn't buy from those vendors again.

One thing that I have found in life is that where there are 100 unhappy people there is always 1 guy who says: "everything is fine for me".

...and that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that figuratively running producers out of town on a rail for making spank material that's not up to any one individual's standards is pointless and obnoxious. There really is no need for anything other than what we do now - give feedback and write reviews.

But just because everything is great for you or as you said: "I don't waste my breath complaining" and "Looks like that's workin' out for me" That doesnt mean that other people who are dissatisfied and have the audacity to complain about it are total loser, whiners or "unpleasable".

Uh... you may want to re-read that part of my post again because I was being sarcastic. Like I said, I don't like stupid plots. I tell producers I don't like stupid plots. Producers keep making stupid plots. Apparently, I'm in the minority and they don't want my business because they're getting plenty from people who do get a hard-on for shitty acting. I'm not going to "shame" them for it because it's not to my liking.

If you are satisfied with your lot then cool, good for you. So why waste your breath attacking THOSE people who DO have an issue? :beathorse:

I'm not attacking anyone, except maybe the overzealous nut who started this thread. I'm certainly not attacking you, and if you thought I was, I apologize.

And finally....are you a vid producer? because my comment was largely directed at them thank you for taking the time to voice your opinion and throwing a low blow at me that was.... special.

You're welcome. I apologize for being under the impression that this was a public forum that anyone could weigh in on. I'll remember to ask your permission next time. But to answer your question, no, I'm not a video producer. I would be under the obligation to make the kinds of videos I would want to see, and my tastes are obviously in the minority around here. That, and if I had to deal with this community from a business perspective I'd shoot myself.
 
You're correct in that a business cannot afford to not provide customer service or tailor their product to their market, so in that regard, yes; businesses are obligated to make their customer base happy.

HOWEVER, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring, specifically, to people getting loud and annoying and throwing a temper tantrum, because those are the people who love to throw around the phrase "the customer is always right" in order to bully the business owners into giving them free stuff. In the context of this thread, IE, "shaming producers who sell awful tickling clips", I don't agree that "shaming" producers under the pretext of "the customer is always right" is particularly constructive, because based on my experience, it doesn't really work that way. Your mileage may vary.



And that's a smart thing to do. The customer asks for what he wants (in a civil fashion, pretty much), and the producer, er... produces. You won't find me arguing against that.



Of course I've seen bad videos. I just, for the most part, don't pay for them. I think, all told, I've spent maybe fifteen, twenty dollars tops on videos I haven't liked. Sure, some that I've bought could have been better, but I still felt like I got my money's worth.



Butts in the seats equal ticket sales, not happy moviegoers. Once you've paid for your ticket they don't care if you actually enjoyed the movie as long as you don't ask for a refund. Nowadays, it's all about the opening weekend. If a movie tanks beyond that, as long as it made back a bit more than it cost within the first week or so, the studio is happy.



And yet even when critics hate a movie it still gets sequels, because it turned a profit. Nobody listens to movie critics other than other movie critics.



My fourth point was an honest question, not an insult. You've admitted to spending a huge amount of money on bad product. I wanted to know why that was. You answered me. No harm, no foul. But honestly, if you keep shelling out money for bad product, then video producers will keep making bad product. We get people in this forum all the time complaining about the plethora of vibrator videos but they're still getting made because people are buying them.



I don't know. Not as much as you, obviously, but I have a decent enough collection.



Yeah, actually I did with one or two exceptions. And I didn't buy from those vendors again.



...and that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that figuratively running producers out of town on a rail for making spank material that's not up to any one individual's standards is pointless and obnoxious. There really is no need for anything other than what we do now - give feedback and write reviews.



Uh... you may want to re-read that part of my post again because I was being sarcastic. Like I said, I don't like stupid plots. I tell producers I don't like stupid plots. Producers keep making stupid plots. Apparently, I'm in the minority and they don't want my business because they're getting plenty from people who do get a hard-on for shitty acting. I'm not going to "shame" them for it because it's not to my liking.



I'm not attacking anyone, except maybe the overzealous nut who started this thread. I'm certainly not attacking you, and if you thought I was, I apologize.



You're welcome. I apologize for being under the impression that this was a public forum that anyone could weigh in on. I'll remember to ask your permission next time. But to answer your question, no, I'm not a video producer. I would be under the obligation to make the kinds of videos I would want to see, and my tastes are obviously in the minority around here. That, and if I had to deal with this community from a business perspective I'd shoot myself.

All I can say is wow, so wow! Waaaay too much for me to read dude! So I wont...

Take a deep breath, chill...lemme buy you a drink.

I think I made my point earlier and so there really isn't any point in continuing this pissing snark contest. My comments weren't even meant for you so Ill give you the last word brother. Drink up
 
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It's http://www.TickleChicks.com , not Addie Jupiter. And my name is Addie Juniper. Haha.

There is quite a lot of hyperbole in the tickling video world. “She’s TRULY ticklish and really can’t stand it! By the time the video is over you can tell it was REAL TORTURE for her!” Yes, I’m quite sure.

Even the few M/F videos out go off the deep end somewhat in terms of descriptions. So, who do you trust?

I’m not against storyline at all; in fact, I prefer it if it’s integrated well (good old Tied & Tickled #1 from the 1980s is still a great example. The story is the ‘tease’ that builds up and the tickling is the payoff.)

In my opinion, I’ve found for the most part, that the companies that are still around that do the best in living up to their marketing are these, and I will praise them now:

UK Tickling, Stryker, FM Concepts, Tickling Paradise, Tickle Abuse, Aussie Tickling

I’ve left off some places that are no longer in business (dear old Magic Touch), others that I have frankly forgotten about, and there are plenty out there that I simply haven’t purchased enough from to make a good judgment (MyTickling, Alternative Prod., Addie Jupiter, Tickled Guy and MANY more).

Other’s I’ve not included because they do over hype their wares - which is the problem. Although my comments on FemFeet UK are still here on the TMF.

These listed here just happen to the be the ones off the top of my head that really do good work, have decent customer service, and do their best to come close to their advertising.
 
Drat! My intent was good - my spelling, bad. In the past I have had to send SO many letters of apology to Lindsey Lorhan, Jennifer Anntison, and Whoopi Goldberger.

But - go visit TickleChicks.com!
 
Haha!! It's ok. Alot of people think our company is called, "Addie Juniper" or something. I wasn't trying to be a bitch or anything.

Drat! My intent was good - my spelling, bad. In the past I have had to send SO many letters of apology to Lindsey Lorhan, Jennifer Anntison, and Whoopi Goldberger.

But - go visit TickleChicks.com!
 
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