Should Bud Selig Have Reversed The Jim Joyce Call?

[Mitchell]

Simple poll here: Should Bud Selig have reversed the Jim Joyce call, that would have resulted in a perfect game had Selig reversed it?

Mitch

 

[Mitchell]

My answer to this poll is yes, Selig should have reversed the call. I say this because the call was the incorrect one, on the last play of the game, in what would have been a perfect game. We all know that umps are human, and blow calls, but, because of the magnitude of the call, and the fact that TV replays showed Joyce blew the call, I think Selig should have reversed it.

Mitch

 

[Cy/MiG]

Not only should Bud have reversed the call, but he should resign as the commish, holding a press conference to apologize to all Brewers and baseball fans for the disgraceful job he has done the last 20+ years.

 

[AmishTickler]

As much as I think Armando Galarraga deserves to have his name in the record books for throwing a perfect game, I don't think Bud should have reversed the call a day later after the fact. You're opening up a huge can of worms and where does it end then as to how many other games you could go back in history and reverse bad calls that might have affected other outcomes of games. I don't think you can overturn this one call just based on the public outcry for it. I do think this event will result in instant replay being instituted into major league baseball sooner rather than later however. If they have the technology to get the play right, it makes no sense not to use it. They just have to come up with a system, maybe something like in football, where a manager gets a challenge or two per game to use during the course of a game. Something definitely needs to be done so a repeat of something like this doesn't happen again.

 

[Heeko]

I totally agree. As much as I would have liked to see it, reversing the call only leads to more problems than it solves. As mentioned, where does it end? exactly.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

i agree, no reversal and I'm glad there are people that have my back on this.... human error is what makes the game annoying but it's still an influence on the game...

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

My answer to this poll is yes, Selig should have reversed the call. I say this because the call was the incorrect one, on the last play of the game, in what would have been a perfect game. We all know that umps are human, and blow calls, but, because of the magnitude of the call, and the fact that TV replays showed Joyce blew the call, I think Selig should have reversed it.
Mitch

Absolutlely NOT! You change this play you open up pandora's box. Then other guys who have had questionable calls in history would want their game's reviewed.

Because of the magnitude of the call...who's to say if the blown calls didn't cost the Orioles or Royals a few games. Their managers lost their jobs because of maybe some blown calls. Can't worry about one game that would have been a perfect game.

My question to you is this: if the Indians had four hits in that game would you want that call reversed? Magnitude of the game? It is a June game.

Jim Joyce blew the call. I was watching that game LIVE. Mario Impemba and Rod Allen could not believe that call. But the Tigers got the win. Cut yourself you bleed red. Cut Jim Joyce he bleeds red. He is a human being. If we are going to reverse calls then have a computer run the game. Get all the human beings off the field and lets watch the computers play and run the games.

 

[Adam]

I'm sure many remember the Jeffrey Maier incident from the Orioles/Yankees ALCS game in 1996. Clearly a horrendous call, but that was never overturned. It is unfortunate what happened to Galaragga, but best leave this alone.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I'm sure many remember the Jeffrey Maier incident from the Orioles/Yankees ALCS game in 1996. Clearly a horrendous call, but that was never overturned. It is unfortunate what happened to Galaragga, but best leave this alone.

Perfect example: I mean reverse that call. the MAGNITUDE of that game is MUCH BIGGER than a June game. And for anyone paying attention, the Orioles got screwed in that series. Had the Orioles won that game maybe they go to the World Series. Changing the WHOLE landscape of baseball. Because at that time George Steinbrenner fired anyone who lost in the playoffs. Might had he fired Torre at that time? Can we keep the human elemnet in the game? Let's not reverse every call we don't like. I hate replay.

 

[Mitchell]

4u, I see your point, and I respect it, but I disagree.

As I think I've mentioned before, I blog on the Atlanta Journal Constitution.com website. The paper published opinion articles by two of their head sportswriters, Mark Bradley, and Jeff Schultz, both of whom have been with the paper for a long time. Just as differing opinions make the world go round, the head sportswriters of the AJC had polar opposite views on this issue. Mark Bradley felt that Selig made the right call, that umpiring is a split second decision business, and that umps get other calls wrong all the time, so Joyce's call should stand. Jeff Schultz, on the other hand, shared my view, that because the call made the difference between a perfect game, and a one hitter, integrity is most important, and Selig should have overturned it, so that the game would be decided by the correct call of what the play actually was, and not a wrong call.

Again, everyone will have differing opinions on this. Selig's was the only one that mattered. He made his decision. The book is closed on that game. End of story.

Mitch

 

[Barbershopman]

Do you remember 1985?

Game 6 of the World Series that year, Don Denkinger calls Jorge Orta safe at first ahead of the Todd Worell flip to Tommy Herr. Replays show that the throw beat Orta by a step and a half, yet the call was made, the Royals won that game and then destroyed the Cardinals 11-0 in game 7 to win their only World Series to date.

Barbershopman

 

[Mitchell]

Yes, Barbershopman, of course I remember Game 6 of the 1985 WS. My viewpoint about that call is the same as with the Galaragga call. If Orta was out on that play, then Denkinger's call should have been reversed, especially in a World Series game.

I try to be consistent when posting my viewpoints, and in both instances, with both Galaragga, and Orta, I think that TV replays should have been taken into account, and the calls reversed.

Mitch

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Yes, Barbershopman, of course I remember Game 6 of the 1985 WS. My viewpoint about that call is the same as with the Galaragga call. If Orta was out on that play, then Denkinger's call should have been reversed, especially in a World Series game.

I try to be consistent when posting my viewpoints, and in both instances, with both Galaragga, and Orta, I think that TV replays should have been taken into account, and the calls reversed.

Mitch

So if we are going to let TV replays decide games then why do we need human beings playing or officiate the games? If you want to homogenize then lets let robots and computers play the games.

What happened the next day at home plate was one of the greatest show of sportsmanship this game and ALL sports has lacked for years. If you get the replays to get that call right, Jim Joyce isn't crying at home plate feeling rotten about the missed call. Armando Galarraga isn't handing out the lineup card shaking hands with him and the rest of the umpires. The Tigers players aren't going up to Jim Joyce shaking hands with him and telling him that it was okay and trying to make Joyce feel better. That there were no hard feelings.

You miss the HUMAN element. But maybe that is what all of you want. Let's screw the human element. Let's all complain about the officials and not remind ourselves that they are just as HUMAN as you and I. And that we probably could not do the job half as good as they do. It is always easy to complain about others but we get mad when people complain about us.

 

[usgrant]

It's about time, on calls of controversy that instant replay should be available. I voted NO in the poll but replay should have been an opton on that play, No Doubt!

 

[Cy/MiG]

So if we are going to let TV replays decide games then why do we need human beings playing or officiate the games? If you want to homogenize then lets let robots and computers play the games.

I'll do you one better:

Blernsball!!!

 

[TheTickleMonster]

we need the human element because doing instant replays to call games every single play that will really extend the game and it'll be more boring than people already think it is. Although I do thin there are times when you do need instant replay. Just do what football does, let the coaches challenge the plays to a certain ammount of times and on any play, not just home runs... there are important plays that happen that are not home runs too.