Should Tickle Hell continue to post content on the TMF?

[leafstk]

Wow, quite a debate. Like most here, I've purchased stuff from FM over the years and a lot of it... like with most places, has been hit and miss. I still feel they have been a major contributer to our fetish and if anything we should be thankful for that. Could the quality of the tickling be better sometimes? You bet... but can't the same be said for most companies out there? It's not going to be A1 every single time.

I particularly like F/M material. That's still a sadly lacking component of our community, I feel. FM Concepts (or Men in Bondage) provides that consistently... and sure, a lot of that is hit and miss too. But the women are hot and they're providing a service that I appreciate. Nuff said, I think.

Why would you stop posting adverts? Plenty of others here have faced criticism and what have you, but they are not the majority who still appreciate the chance to have a look.

Just my two cents 🙂

 

[tklhell]

I remember getting the print fliers from you.
Christopher

Print flyers?? Man, that was before my time.....

 

[tklhell]

As for attaching meaning that's not there, I guess that's part of the nature of the internet. Things don't always come across as intended. I was responding to my impression of what you were saying. If that impression was incorrect, then I apologize...again.

No offense taken, and I'm certain none was intended. Like I said in an earlier post, it's impossible to put desired inflection on the written word and that's why this happens often and is "...part of the nature of the internet".

But, it couldn't hurt to try...though perhaps in ways other than threads like this one.

Amen to that, Sister...

 

[Gadilici]

Lol, it was indeed before Tickle Hell. Old FM Concepts. I remember Cory Lane being a new model, Sadie's Tickling Craze was in like the third flier I got, and even tho she never seemed as ticklish as I would have liked, I just adored Kelly Ashton.

Good times.

Christopher

 

[Raytheon]

I don't over exaggerate when I say i have grown up sexually with Tickle Hell videos. For me you bought tickling to main stream pornography. You took swim wear models and introduced tickling. For near on a decade your models were the most attractive in the business for me and your content was heart stopping. Tickle Hell will always hold a special place with me in my journey through this fetish, Thank you 🙂

Some people here are acting like spoiled brats. They want their porn how they want it and if they cant have it no one can. Id support you 100% in taking your business away from this forum, you will always have a loyal customer from me.

Best wishes,
Ray

 

[Soda83pop]

To be fair, I am less a tickle fan and more a foot fan. However, I am friends with some of the people you have shot in the past (or was at least, people dip in and out of the business so much) and have a pretty good sense of how the business side of the industry works I would like to weigh in.

For starters, I have seen references to "loving the fetish" or doing this for the "love" of tickling versus the money. Truth is, the reason ANYONE sells the clips is for the money. They may PRODUCE it for love, but they SELL it for money. Lets all get that out of our heads as the reason someone's tickling clips arent to your liking.

I have some of your movies and some of your clips. I thought some were better than others. Your movies have their own unique feel and I know within the first few minutes its one of your movies based on the dialogue or the poses. If I wanted to see Crystal Knight or Diana Devoe get tickled, or tied up, or anything of that nature I came to you. I think that was where your hook was; less the activity but more of whom you shot. So I knew what I was getting when I bought it. And I think that you guys take a beating in here at times as well. But this thread really isnt about your tickling or my thoughts on how people react to it; its about your posting here.

I think you would be foolish to quit posting here if you are trying to sell tickling clips, since this is where a good portion of your demographic is. When one of my friends who began her career as an adult performer and now produces content starting shooting tickling clips, the first place I posted about it was here. I knew it wouldnt generate a large amount of buys because I knew a good portion of the tmf was not into adult performers. However, I knew that if even a fraction (10 people for example) bought 1 of her clips, thats 50 bucks. So I posted about her new clips here.

Same works for you...post your clips and think of the people that will be buying your stuff, not whether Livs2tklF33T!!111 is a fan of your work and complains. Because odds are someone here is and wants to see your work. You dont advertise your work to make friends or build bonds; you do it to make money. And if you like your material and dont think it should change, dont ask people what they think of it. You are setting yourself up for disappointment. Im a fan of your work, and even I would have suggestions. I am actually surprised you are as sensitive about it as you are; I would expect a thicker skin from the most successful tickling producer here.

 

[meangry]

I don't over exaggerate when I say i have grown up sexually with Tickle Hell videos. For me you bought tickling to main stream pornography. You took swim wear models and introduced tickling. For near on a decade your models were the most attractive in the business for me and your content was heart stopping. Tickle Hell will always hold a special place with me in my journey through this fetish, Thank you 🙂

Some people here are acting like spoiled brats. They want their porn how they want it and if they cant have it no one can. Id support you 100% in taking your business away from this forum, you will always have a loyal customer from me.

Best wishes,
Ray

I'm sorry, I'm not going to beg for the privilege of pornography. When MTJ and other artists both here and on the Theater bust their ass, at least most of the time, I get a sense of drive. I see people doing something because of their mutual interest. Not necessarily on profit margins.

MTJ is a venue to give artists who want to draw or write the chance to do so with a published background. You can make some coin. Awesome deal, if you ask me. And the people who write and draw for MTJ are some of the best. But we also have writers, artists, and the like that produce material of high quality and do so with little cost.

I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is, this is a service. I don't eat shit when I go to a restaurant and they screw up my order. And if they become condescending as a provider of a service that is trying to earn my business, then I will walk away. And that is what is here; condescending behavior and some folk who think it is poor form to look at an archaic media producer who has been lapped by my inspired people who understand what it means to produce high quality content for reasonable prices in accessible ways as deserving of this level of respect as if we owe them something.

I owe FM Concepts nothing. I owe Tickle Hell nothing. If I see something they produce and I want it, then I want it. And there have been times, but their entire process in a world with clips4sale is just idiotic. It's them and Tickling Paradise that do not understand how to actually use their video library to their advantage. Rather than, you know, making me jump through hoops for the 'luxury' of your product, how about you offer it to me where I don't have to worry about things like company name on my billing statement? Or in file formats that are more friendly to my media player?

But I'm not going to cow down and beg for the privilege of pornography from a company which has never given back. And that isn't even the issue. It is acting like just rendering this service somehow helps me get through the day. Like I'm being given gas for my car.

They should thank their customer base. If you think my approach to this is childish, so be it. But there is an awesome artist community spread across two places along with really solid video producers who are quite generous with how they offer their product, and I rather they get the credit they deserve then spend it on an unworthy machine.

 

[Raytheon]

I agree meangry that some producers are more active within the community than others. But at the end of the day this is the porn industry. The guy holding his cock does not get to tell the model what to do. When was the last time people complained to Playboy because the model wasn't shooting the content they wanted? You just don't do it.
I think its ridiculous were kicking a producer out because we don't like the ticklishness of their models. If were giving them a big fuck off I think they have every right to give us the big fuck off in return.

my 2 cents

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I think its ridiculous were kicking a producer out because we don't like the ticklishness of their models.

Ummmmm.... nobody is kicking anyone out.

 

[Raytheon]

TklDuo-Ann:
Ummmmm.... nobody is kicking anyone out.

First Post:
Any well-mannered, constructive criticism, suggestions, or even complaints, would've been welcome. Everyone is entitled their opinion about our material. But instead, we are faced with a post of "FM's stuff is all faked", and ridiculous, childish insults against our models and owner's in nearly every thread. Even if only coming from a very vocal minority. We haven't observed any other current producer providing preview clips to be subjected to this kind of blanket (and untrue, unfounded and, unfortunately, indefensible) treatment. This has created an unwelcome, and frankly, hostile environment for us here at the TMF.

So we have removed our content from this forum, and suspended any plans for any future preview updates.

With all due respects to yourself, we as a community, are.

 

[cabalist]

With all due respects to yourself, we as a community, are.

If he chooses to regard his "hecklers" as "the community", that's his choice. The simple fact is that they aren't. And at least as far as I know, even his "hecklers" haven't told him or asked him to leave.

 

[Capnmad]

I don't own any of your material, so I can make no judgement as to its quality.

You are either reacting to what you deem as unruly negative feedback personally, or out of concern that it will take root and make your continued advertising here a waste of time.

If you take the feedback personally, that is a mistake. You're running a business, not a popularity contest. That said, even if it were a popularity contest, you would lose, because the popular one never acknowledges their detractors except through jest or self-deprecation. And those who are deliberately antagonistic for no known reason are best ignored entirely. You have not ignored, used humor or humility. That is an error.

If you're making a business decision, then no one here can or should decide for you if your continued advertising is worthwhile. Recognizing the latitude that members here are allowed in their commentary, and understanding that that latitude will not change to benefit commerce, you have to decide what is best for your business. Taking polls is a fruitless exercise.

I wish you sound judgement.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

With all due respects to yourself, we as a community, are.

With equal respect...NO, not as a community. This is a handful of nay sayers, not "the community". That's one of the reasons I suggested that they get to know folks. The positive experience of knowing the many good people here can balance out that negative influence and help them to feel more welcome.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

FM has had some real gems. While they have had some misses, they started producing before many others, and it's tougher to be out in front. I ask anyone who says that it's all bad to watch the clip of Kelli being tickled by Elliott (fc177s6?) and say anything other than "wow." If not my favorite clip ever, it's way up there.

Hey, could you guys get her to do more?

 

[The Bandito]

Hey...this is a pretty relevant thread right now. So I think I'll throw in my two cents.

TK Hell...of course you shouldn't stop posting stuff on the TMF. Stop being silly.

I produce some tickling content as well (comics and enovels...not movies) so I definitely know what it's like to work hard on something and then get antagonistic feedback. I hear ya. It can suck sometimes.

'But in the short time I've been doing it I've learned a couple things:

1.) Everyone seems to have an opinion about FM Concepts. What does that tell you? You're freaking famous in this community! The most insulting sound that you should fear when posting a new clip thread is nothing. Silence. Dead air. That would mean that people genuinely don't give a crap.

2.) Your TRUE fans will support you in $8 increments (or how ever much your clips cost...I can't keep them all straight). I don't write happy fan letters when I love something. I just buy it. Those that BOTH buy it AND give you feedback are seriously awesome people. And they are much cooler than I am (for the most part ^^;;😉. Cherish those people. They are the reason that sites like the TMF exist.

3.) You think that producers in the Nilla world that make it big get showered with fan praise. Ask George Lucas what sort of names he's been called since Jar Jar first showed up on the scene. Nuff said? The bigger you get...the bigger the target you are.

And in the end I think you KNOW it's not a good idea to stop posting. I think you probably felt like you were getting unfairly beat up, and wanted to post a thread saying: "Hey where the fuck are all the FM fans, eh?!" And that's totally understandable. Just know that these are tough times, an people use the internet to project a lot of their emotional stress. Think of it as digital poo flinging. And it's always easy to fling poo at someone that produces new work.

And as a total side note...I've purchased literally hundreds of dollars in FM videos. Hundreds. Hard earned cash. I never wrote you and told you how adorable Charisma is...or how much I love some of those films, because...well...I figured the cash spoke for itself. Not every video was great. Some of them did seem like hot models that had artificial ticklish reactions. But I haven't found a single producer yet (myself included) that is without a few negative blips on the radar.

If you're still selling videos and clips....those people are your fans. THOSE are the people you work hard to please. Forget about everyone else. I know it ain't easy. But it's still probably a good idea.

Keep up the good work.

The Bandito

 

[mabus]

Got to agree with Bandito...and everyone else in one way or another...in that running a business, or creating art, or porn, can't be a popularity contest.

Sometimes it is....and you always end up playing it safe, appealing to all audiences, ...and making crap. Appealing to all audiences creates something that no audience wants to see. Therefore, you will ALWAYS have criticism in creating ANYTHING.

Joel Shumacher got DEATH THREATS galore online, along with thousands if not millions of words in hatred and anger directed his way after his two Batman films. People even REFERENCE "Batman and Robin" when describing bad movies! I'm sorry, but OUCH!

Yet he came back and made 8MM, a pretty good film, with many great scenes.

.....Then, he made Phone Booth.

In my opinion, one of the ten best films EVER. One of the rare films I can actually watch all the way through, unlike most movies where I can only watch certain scenes over and over again. Excellent directing, editting, casting, acting.....
Then, he made Phantom of the Opera, which got acclaim, and all my "Phantom" fan freinds (I'm not one) LOVED it and all own it.

So....there you go. Go back in time a few weeks after "Batman and Robin" was released, and tell anyone old Joel would be making a comeback one day, and they'd laugh in your face, or punch you in the face......

So, yes, Tickle Hell, make the changes I mentioned, weather the current, and past, criticism, listen to future constructive criticism and ignore the bile, and you'll be greater than ever.

 

[mart]

Let me put in my two-bits worth as well. I have a lot of FM Concepts videos and in general, I like them. To me, a hot girl with ticklish reactions is fine, and I have nothing against a producer briefing a model that the shooting will go on as long as there is a reaction.

At the same time, when I see Sadie Atkins just about freaking out in a Tickle Hell extreme torture video, with her feet tied to a rope from the roof, and every touch just agony. And then, in another video, see her ask a young colleague to tickle her feet, with moderate, rather more contained reactions, I am not going to swear that each video is the real thing. Clearly there is some acting going on, and I don't see any reason to pretend there is not.

Tickling is a fantasy, tickling movies are a fantasy, fetishes are based on fantasy, on fantasising, and this whole forum lives on these fantasies that are a figment of our own minds.

I buy a movie, and find my fantasy is not fired the way I had hoped. Do I then have to turn into a raging spitfire and hurl abuse at the producer because his fantasy did not match mine!? Don't buy there, if it doesn't rock your boat. But this vitriolic reaction because one did not reach that ultimate, fantasy-based orgasm is really a little ridiculous.

So Guys, carry on posting by all means. Enjoy your tickling and accept that some of us are going to see through the ruses. And don't worry too much about some immature twits who fail to see just how absurd it is to throw a tantrum about something that in any event takes place only in their own heads.

 

[-Hari-]

If you make money and your target market is found on sites such as this, then I would encourage you continue.

 

[yeayea]

immature baby of a company

I believe that the executives of FM Concepts are acting extremely immature. I tried numerous times to understand your point of view of removing posts in response to a post, but it doesn't make sense.

The fact that instead of learning from this post you immaturely cry and whine about viewers' perceptions, is pitiful and makes me realize that FM Concpets is truly not a professional company that I would invest any money into. I used to pay for clips, from your company, but this post and the "fakeness" of your models have turned me off to investing any subsequent money into your company.

I can let you know that it is NEVER a smart thing to ridicule your customers for their perception of anything. Your customer is always correct! Especially when it comes down to such a hard economy to survive in. If your customers "perceive" your models to not be ticklish, guess what? You better get out there and find models that customers find ticklish, your justifications of "oo your perception is incorrect will not get my money nor many others."

In conclusion to this long posts, it was not very smart nor professional to cry about a customers point of view. You are fortunate enough that you have the public's opinion. But instead of taking it you ridicule it. Whether the post is harsh or nice learn from the post, dont let your emotions drive you to do something immature and foolish such as removing something that obviously helps your company The choice is yours:

a) find models where you do not get this criticism or minimize this criticism by taking into account what viewers think about your clips. (SMART)

b) cry, remove your content like an immature baby, and hide in your internet domain name waiting for people with tickle fetishes to look you up. (DUMB)

Think about it! Be smart, and good luck in the future.

sincerely,
an ex-fan of FM Concepts

 

[Oddjob0226]

As a fan of FM Concepts/Harmony from as far back as the 1980s (I still own the 'Film Threat' magazine with Christine Imboch's note and photo in their Letter's section - before I even knew who she was!) I think you should keep putting things here.

I have no doubt there's some exaggeration of ticklishness going on there in the TK Hell videos. But I also would guess that there's some of that in the "amature" or "custom" videos posted here on the TMF, too.

I'd also guess the women in the FM/TK Hell videos aren't really kidnapped, tortured for some kind of secret, or being punished. That's fake too, right? Although one can dream.

A real reaction and a good 'fake' - often hard to spot the differences. Obvious fakes are a bummer, though, that is true. All though even a woman that's not that ticklish.... well, watching her restrained and squirming is still awfully fun.

And as pointed out, not everyone reacts the same to tickling. Not everone begs for it to stop or laughs crazily. Doesn't mean they are not ticklish. I saw a woman in a 1980s E.E. LTD video once tickled until she started crying and they had to stop the video. There was hardly any laughter from her at all, mostly some "stop"s. But the tickling obviosuly got to her.

And there is a physcial, sports-model, "flawlessness" to so many of the FM/TK Hell women. There are so many great videos featuing regular, "real" people here on the TMF; I own many of them. But speaking as an ugly man with an even worse personality, sometime's its nice to have that 'hot girl' fantasy. That is the FM/TK Hell niche.

Don't let the naysayers get you down, or take it personally. True, there have been some videos I've purchased from FM that dissapointed me. And there are some going as far back as 10 years that I still pop into the VCR because the content was so great! There's plenty of hit-or-miss stuff from other producers, here, too. They get called out now and then as well.

OTOH (and this applies to all store owners, not just you), I personally have little use for those who come to advertize but refuse to be involved in the community they look to for their livelyhood. It just doesn't set well with me.

There is this, too. I'm not just here to spend money. I take this personally. It is a part of me.

 

[qwertyzzzz]

The positions you tie your models up is wrong, there's totally no armpit tickling at all..

 

[renny]

As a member of Ticklehell.com for a couple years now, I say go ahead and keep us updated. I know bad comments and negative reviews are upsetting ( I hate seeing bad reviews of movies I love, for example ), but that's the way life is, especially on the internet, where there's no real-life consequences for shit-talking. I've been taking a look at a lot of Cal-Star tickling videos lately (another company with a reputation for fakery among several posters here), and I still like a lot of their product. Don't give the badmouthers the satisfaction of knowing they're getting to you. Just keep doing what you do, and don't respond to disgruntled comments that don't exist to help, only to criticize.

 

[ViperGTS]

This is a very interesting thread. I've been keeping an eye on it for quite some time, and I am learning quite a lot from just sitting here and reading it, while keeping my mouth shut.

Though I strongly disagree with the creation of this thread, I very much approve of the discussions contained within.