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Sig pics, stereotypes, and the way we behave

I'm not around here nearly as much as I used to be, but I'll chime in. As most who know me are aware, I have the alternative interest of liking to see females stand barefoot on ladders. To this day, I'm not 100% sure why. My signature picture represents that interest. I dont hide it, nor am I ashamed of it. I hope that people who really get to know me accept me for who I am, and, for those who choose to stereotype me or say "He's weird, because he likes to see girls who stand barefoot on ladders", that is their peroggative.

I've never hidden who I am. I'm comfortable with myself, and I've always liked my signature picture. Those who really know me, know that there is more to me than just a guy who likes to ask girls if they've stood barefoot on ladders, and, for those who think that is all there is to me, then, I'm sorry to say, they dont really know me.

Mitch
 
It isn't. Many women exist on this forum, posting, chatting (well, maybe not that one!), and speaking their minds about tickling, sex, and all matters of life, all with a minimum of unwanted attention. All it takes is a gender-neutral screenname and no pic in your sig.

Well nothing operates in a vacuum and I wonder which has more impact, the screen name, sig image or posts? When I first joined, I posted quite a bit but did not have a sig pic of any kind. I do have a gender neutral screen name. I received LOTS of PMs, mostly quite nice, but also of the ickier variety.

I didn't add my sig pic until I'd been around for quite awhile, knew a lot of people in person and felt comfortable with who I appeared to be through my posts. I can't even remember the last time I received one of those icky PMs, but I know I got more BEFORE I added my image, but when I was posting more, particularly in the tickling forum vs here.

I'm not so sure I buy the sig pic thing as a big an influence as you're postulating.
 
And it's quite clear that many people on this forum are affected by the sig pics. How many times have you seen men post, "OMG UR SO HOT! PLZ PM ME!!!" on the basis of a sig pic alone? Clearly, they should know better.

Lemme answer this one......

*ahem*

Because men are stupid.:dogpile:

--T

*dodging bullets*:smilestar
 
I still think I picked the one most suited to me. I am tall and thin, own five parrots, and like to spend hours gazing at large bodies of water. I don't much get the chance to do that living in Indiana.








And I have never sent an "icky" or off color sexualy descriptive pm to anyone, thank you.:ranty:
 
So i have a personality of a 60 yr old guy who loves natural boobs?


I'll allow it
 
I started putting my picture up when everyone started getting these Danielle-Steel-cover like signature pics.

I don't know what my signature says about me, but I don't care too much.
 
Great topic Lindy!!! 😀
I think that our sig pics are the way we want other people to perceive us.
I know a lot of people will dissagree saying the characature of some stereotypical georgeous speciman that they use is just "something that they happen to like". (game girl example) 🙄

Yeah right!!!
Lets be honest, if you have a human like picture then you obviously relate to that pic in some way.
"Danielle Steel cover like", is a great way of putting it Giggle. At least you're HONEST!!! :happyfloa
I chose mine because I obviously love the pic. No I'm not that hairy in reality, lol, and there are pics of me in a few threads if someone wanted to see what I really looked like.
Now excuse me ........................ I have to go howl at the moon!!!!! 😛
 
To SmartherthanU:


Hey, that's funny - I just assumed it was because you were a dick. 😀 So thank you for your explanation - it's enlightening. 🙂 I agree that people tended to be more adversarial with you right off the bat - though it's quite possible that your tone alone would have done the trick. 😉 Without a controlled experiment, we can only speculate how your posts would have been received had they been made by "NiceMellowGuy."

FWIW, I'm not sure how a deliberately off-putting screenname serves any useful purpose, especially as far as debating with people. I've found that a neutral screenname has served me quite well. Judging by the "popularity contest" threads on the TMF, as well as the "unwanted attention" threads, the biggest correlates to a crapload of PMs around here are 1. an obvious female screenname, and 2. a sexy sig pic. Without either of those, people have to actually read what you write to get an impression of you, and text is much more likely to be processed through the rational part of your brain.


Again, I'm not picking a side. I just think these questions about how we are capable of manipulating our self-presentations in an online world are worth exploring. And the more we understand these effects, the more we can learn not to be impacted by them, if we so choose.
Thanks for the kind words and the sage advice.:evilha: Cheap shots and low blows aside, I think there's a bigger point to be made here. Which is, does an off-putting sig (for males) or a sig that attracts unwanted "creepy" attention for females serve any useful purpose either? What's particularly interesting to me is that a screen name seems to have lots more power than a sig. If someone has a sig that screams "asshole," but a relatively neutral screen name, that seems to be much more accepted than the other way around, doesn't it? Why, I wonder, when a screen name takes 10 seconds to post, and a graphic sig has to be created and involves a lot more time and effort. Anyone would think a sig would make a much more powerful statement.
 
If someone has a sig that screams "asshole," but a relatively neutral screen name, that seems to be much more accepted than the other way around, doesn't it? Why, I wonder, when a screen name takes 10 seconds to post, and a graphic sig has to be created and involves a lot more time and effort. Anyone would think a sig would make a much more powerful statement.

Well I'm definitely one of those for whom the screen name is more of an issue. I actually think most people put MORE thought into those than they do the pics. The "mimi-style" pics may have to be created, but not really. Most of them are stock images that are tweaked. There are a few out there that use the same stock image. And for me, they all kind of blend into each other.
 
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Well I'm definitely one of those for whom the screen name is more of an issue. I actually think most people put MORE thought into those than they do the pics. The "mimi-style" pics may have to be created, but not really. Most of them are stock images that are tweaked. Look at [edited]- they're from the same stock image. There are a few out there that use the same stock image. And for me, they all kind of blend into each other.
Hmmmm -- well, don't you think that the creation of a sig requires at least a discussion between the creator and the user of what the user wants the sig to "say?" I mean, I don't know how Mimi works, but I would have to guess that she tries to match the sig with the user in some essential way.

But your comment has really made me think that perhaps my problem (not speaking for anyone else) is the passive-aggressive effect sigs can employ. It might be fair to say that it's practically taboo to publicly assign intentions to a user based on their sig. It has never been so with screen names. So for me, this is the hypocritical part. A person can have a sig that says "I'm HOT" or "I'm an ASSHOLE," but if their screen name is XYZ123, you'd better not assume anything about them. At least you'd better not act on an assumption. But if the person has a screen name that evokes a reaction, then it's OK to assume whatever one wants, and act accordingly. Interesting.
 
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Ok, I'll try and explain why I chose my sig pic, although I'm not apologising for it 😛

First off, I wanted a pic of a woman with red hair, believe me its not the easiest to find on the internet, then I stumbled across this one. I was in two minds of using it, thinking some people may think shes a tart etc. To be honest, if they think that then thats down to them, the only way they'd know if I was one, was to find out more about me, and then they'd realise I'm not a tart at all. I like flirtation, which this image depicts and she has red hair, boobs a waist and has a bit of a rock chick thing going on which I love, as thats me.

Since I've added this pic as my sig I haven't received any more or less PMs, I don't think 'she' has changed that at all.

For now, I'm happy with it, but who knows what the future may bring.
 
Which is, does an off-putting sig (for males) or a sig that attracts unwanted "creepy" attention for females serve any useful purpose either? What's particularly interesting to me is that a screen name seems to have lots more power than a sig. If someone has a sig that screams "asshole," but a relatively neutral screen name, that seems to be much more accepted than the other way around, doesn't it? Why, I wonder, when a screen name takes 10 seconds to post, and a graphic sig has to be created and involves a lot more time and effort. Anyone would think a sig would make a much more powerful statement.

I would certainly expect that both sig pics and screen names have an impact on how you are perceived, just as in real life, both your name and phyiscal appearance do.

For example, studies have been done where researchers sent out identical resumes for job postings, where the only difference was the name on the resume. Stereotypically white male names tended to get more interviews than stereotypically female names or stereotypically black names.

I'm not sure whether sig pics or screen names have a stronger impact on people's perceptions. These days, I view the TMF with sig pics turned off, but before I changed that setting, I would tend to ignore or dismiss the postings of people with obnoxious, off-putting sig pics.

And I'm sorry, but your screen name screams "arrogant asshole". Regardless of whether you are or not, my interactions with you will always be tainted by the impression I get from your screen name.

But your comment has really made me think that perhaps my problem (not speaking for anyone else) is the passive-aggressive effect sigs can employ. It might be fair to say that it's practically taboo to publicly assign intentions to a user based on their sig. It has never been so with screen names. So for me, this is the hypocritical part. A person can have a sig that says "I'm HOT" or "I'm an ASSHOLE," but if their screen name is XYZ123, you'd better not assume anything about them. At least you'd better not act on an assumption. But if the person has a screen name that evokes a reaction, then it's OK to assume whatever one wants, and act accordingly. Interesting.

I'm not sure that there is any taboo here. I think people subconsciously form impressions of people based on both screen names as well as sig pics. It's possible that screen names have slightly more of an impact, since they show up in a lot more contexts than sig pics.

I think it's pretty rare for people to choose a screen name that is as confrontational as yours, so I think it is possible that your perspective is a bit skewed. 🙂
 
I just happen to like faeries and thought the one I used to create my sig pic was pretty. I would hope no one here assumes I have wings...lol

You are right, Lindy, that when I do choose a human representation of myself for my sig pic, I always use a plus sized woman. That's because I am a big lady and I'm fine with that and I like to usually make that known at first glance to avoid any misconceptions about me. But I think most people just choose their sig pics (including the ones I've made for them based on their requests) for entertainment purposes, and not because they are trying to get anyone to believe they look exactly like their signature representation. When people have fun and often flirty sig pics, it encourages many to post more, to interract and banter more, and can open the door to many fun friendships on the forum. I think peoples intentions when selecting what image to use are more innocent than manipulative.
 
Mine is The Pumpkin, an as of yet unimplemented Gotham City villain in the mould of The Joker only less gay and more stabby. I change my signature pics a lot because I get bored with them easily.

I think my signature pic says about me that I like pumpkins, and also carving faces.
 
When it comes down to it, I think most people pick overly-attractive, half-naked human forms in hopes of getting more interaction on this website.

Of course there are other reasons behind it too.
 
Not stock images

Well I'm definitely one of those for whom the screen name is more of an issue. I actually think most people put MORE thought into those than they do the pics. The "mimi-style" pics may have to be created, but not really. Most of them are stock images that are tweaked. Look at Libertine's and Jon math's sig pics - they're from the same stock image. There are a few out there that use the same stock image. And for me, they all kind of blend into each other.

Quick correction: Libertine and Jon Math are actually the same person. Jon changed his handle to Libertine (with Myriads' help) for privacy purposes. He's trying to eradicate the old name from the World Wide Web.

Secondly, it isn't a stock image, any more than my sig pic is. It's a photo of him. In both our cases, we sent full body photos of ourselves to Mimi so she could frame them up. The photos themselves aren't doctored. Both were taken during modeling shoots.

Thirdly, you met us both at NEST, unless my memory plays me false!

As for the OP's question- we just use our own images, well, because...we feel like it! Not because it "means" anything. As for my screen name, I thought it up because I love kittens and dance on my toes.
 
Quick correction: Libertine and Jon Math are actually the same person. Jon changed his handle to Libertine (with Myriads' help) for privacy purposes. He's trying to eradicate the old name from the World Wide Web.

Secondly, it isn't a stock image, any more than my sig pic is. It's a photo of him. In both our cases, we sent full body photos of ourselves to Mimi so she could frame them up. The photos themselves aren't doctored. Both were taken during modeling shoots.

Thirdly, you met us both at NEST, unless my memory plays me false!

As for the OP's question- we just use our own images, well, because...we feel like it! Not because it "means" anything. As for my screen name, I thought it up because I love kittens and dance on my toes.

I have to say, absurd as it may be, that I was wondering who Libertine was and why he was getting away with using the same pic as Jon 🙂 I certainly did recognize that it looked just like him, just didn't figure it was an actual picture, since it had been "cartoonized" a bit. I stand corrected, thanks KT.
 
Hmmmm -- well, don't you think that the creation of a sig requires at least a discussion between the creator and the user of what the user wants the sig to "say?" I mean, I don't know how Mimi works, but I would have to guess that she tries to match the sig with the user in some essential way.
No idea really. I don't know how Mimi works since she didn't make mine.
But your comment has really made me think that perhaps my problem (not speaking for anyone else) is the passive-aggressive effect sigs can employ. It might be fair to say that it's practically taboo to publicly assign intentions to a user based on their sig. It has never been so with screen names. So for me, this is the hypocritical part. A person can have a sig that says "I'm HOT" or "I'm an ASSHOLE," but if their screen name is XYZ123, you'd better not assume anything about them. At least you'd better not act on an assumption. But if the person has a screen name that evokes a reaction, then it's OK to assume whatever one wants, and act accordingly. Interesting.

I don't think there are any "rules" regarding how people respond to sig pics or screen names. I just know that I respond more to screen names. And I don't get particularly worked up about anything that someone might "assume" about me based on my pic or name because they'll either get to know me for real or they won't. Same as my real name and my real appearance.

And furthermore, if a screen name doesn't make immediate sense to me (even if I made up the sense) I move on. Babyshambles, for example, I gave it a minute's thought and then said to myself "no clue what this means, boy? girl? no idea. doesn't matter." It's only really obvious ones that seem to try to be making a statement that I pick up on, for example, SmarterthanU 🙂.
 
I started putting my picture up when everyone started getting these Danielle-Steel-cover like signature pics.

I don't know what my signature says about me, but I don't care too much.


i don`t care either.just keep`em coming.

😀


all my sig represents/means is that i`m a sucker for pretty eyes
 
And I'm sorry, but your screen name screams "arrogant asshole". Regardless of whether you are or not, my interactions with you will always be tainted by the impression I get from your screen name.
I know what that says about me. What do you think it says about you?
 
Thank you again for the insightful discussion! 🙂

I was in two minds of using it [red-haired biker chick], thinking some people may think shes a tart etc. To be honest, if they think that then thats down to them, the only way they'd know if I was one, was to find out more about me, and then they'd realise I'm not a tart at all.

I've never hidden who I am. I'm comfortable with myself, and I've always liked my signature picture. Those who really know me, know that there is more to me than just a guy who likes to ask girls if they've stood barefoot on ladders, and, for those who think that is all there is to me, then, I'm sorry to say, they dont really know me.

[paraphrased] If you jump to conclusions about me based on my screen name, you're an (adjective) (noun). 😉

I suppose you could say it's incumbent on the viewer to take the time to get to know you as a person... but it's the owner of the sig who will have to deal with the response it generates, in the form of icky PMs, hostility, or avoidance, depending on what you chose.

Moreover... I don't believe that such responses would necessarily be unfair. When a person makes judgments about others based on their race, age, sex, or any other characteristic they don't control, we call that discrimination, and it isn't socially acceptable. But if someone judges you based on something you chose, such as your attire, your sports car, your offensive speech, your screen name, or your sig pic... those judgments are reasonable and very often valid. Blaming others for drawing logical conclusions based on the way you decided to present yourself is, IMO, wrongheaded.

For example, I have large breasts. I don't hide them, nor am I ashamed of them. But if I chose to use a huge picture of my naked boobs as my signature, would you be wrong to judge me for it? Wouldn't I be an idiot to say, "You guys are jerks for being so superficial, and not getting to know the real me!"

(SmarterthanU, I'm talking to you. There have been no cheap shots or low blows from anyone on this thread, only honest and reasonable commentary.)

I'm not so sure I buy the sig pic thing as a big an influence as you're postulating.

I didn't mean to imply that screen names and sig pics are the only thing that impact the quantity of PMs received. Posting frequently is obviously important, and hanging out in the chatroom probably even more so. There are many other factors as well. But I do believe that screen names and sig pics impact the way people perceive you, and that ignoring this fact is likely to work to your disadvantage.

What's particularly interesting to me is that a screen name seems to have lots more power than a sig.

Well, one variable is that many of us surf the TMF with sigs turned off. I'm no longer affected by anyone's signature, because I don't see them. You can't do the same with screen names, and there are certainly a few that produce an instantaneous prejudice on my part. For example, any time I see a name like "NonConLer," I immediately picture an inconsiderate asshole who gets off on the violation and suffering of other people. Is this fair? I'd say "maybe," because he chose the name to represent himself.

When people have fun and often flirty sig pics, it encourages many to post more, to interract and banter more, and can open the door to many fun friendships on the forum.

That is exactly my point! Virtual reality research has shown that when people are given an attractive avatar, they behave more boldly in social interactions. They bargain more aggressively. They pursue more attractive partners. Their entire persona can change, probably in a way that makes them happier.

I think peoples intentions when selecting what image to use are more innocent than manipulative.

I agree. I'm not attributing evil motives to anyone. Again, my focus is on increasing understanding the effects of things like signature pics on interpersonal perception and interaction, so we can choose to use them more deliberately, and/or reduce their power.
 
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I agree. I'm not attributing evil motives to anyone. Again, my focus is on increasing understanding the effects of things like signature pics on interpersonal perception and interaction, so we can choose to use them more deliberately, and/or reduce their power.

So, what kind of power do the sigs have, then? And how do you propose we deliberately use them?

--T
 
So, what kind of power do the sigs have, then?

Ok, to summarize:

1. I think sigs and screen names influence the way other people perceive us. Before we even open our mouths, our sigs and screen names can create an impression of a hottie, an intellectual, a misogynist, or an arrogant S.O.B. Viewers are influenced by these perceptions, whether they realize it or not.

2. I believe sigs and screen names affect the behavior of the owner. Research in which people were assigned particular avatars created patterns of behavior that were directly attributable to the tall or attractive avatar. Here, people get to choose their names and sigs, but I still suspect there's an aspect of "living up to" the name or image.

1. and 2. obviously interact. When a person's name or sig creates a particular impression to other viewers, they tend to treat that person accordingly, which reinforces that person's pattern of behavior. i.e., if your screen name suggests that you're arrogant, people will tend to be confrontational, which tends to bring out more arrogant behavior.

And how do you propose we deliberately use them?

I think users should select names and sigs that will help create the kind of image they want. If you're interested in attention from members of the opposite sex, use a sexy name and sig. But if you aren't, don't call yourself "HotTklishBabe" and put a half-nekkid pinup in your sig, then complain when your PM box gets flooded by men asking, "R U TKLISH???"

Using a particular image to interact in a virtual world has the potential to do people a lot of good. They have the option of presenting themselves however they like, and having others take them at face value - something that isn't possible in real life. Thus, I think it's a good idea for people to consider how some name or picture that they "like" will come across to those who see it. Doing so is likely to contribute to personal satisfaction in an online forum such as this one.
 
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I suppose you could say it's incumbent on the viewer to take the time to get to know you as a person... but it's the owner of the sig who will have to deal with the response it generates, in the form of icky PMs, hostility, or avoidance, depending on what you chose.
One would certainly think so. But I've seen people with totally obnoxious, smarmy sigs and attitudes to match go whining to the mods every time someone is reactive to them. I don't know of an instance where the mod has said, "Well, look at your sig. You're asking for it."

Moreover... I don't believe that such responses would necessarily be unfair. When a person makes judgments about others based on their race, age, sex, or any other characteristic they don't control, we call that discrimination, and it isn't socially acceptable. But if someone judges you based on something you chose, such as your attire, your sports car, your offensive speech, your screen name, or your sig pic... those judgments are reasonable and very often valid.
Hmmm. I think I have to disagree. I don't own a sports car, but I'm not sure it's fair to be hostile to someone because they own one. I don't think it's fair to be hostile to someone because you don't like the way they dress.

Blaming others for drawing logical conclusions based on the way you decided to present yourself is, IMO, wrongheaded.
How is any conclusion about someone based on the fact that they own a sports car logical? You've lost me.

For example, I have large breasts. I don't hide them, nor am I ashamed of them. But if I chose to use a huge picture of my naked boobs as my signature, would you be wrong to judge me for it? Wouldn't I be an idiot to say, "You guys are jerks for being so superficial, and not getting to know the real me!"
Well, yeah, in the absolute sense, it would be wrong to judge you for it. Would people do it? Of course.

I didn't mean to imply that screen names and sig pics are the only thing that impact the quantity of PMs received. Posting frequently is obviously important, and hanging out in the chatroom probably even more so. There are many other factors as well. But I do believe that screen names and sig pics impact the way people perceive you, and that ignoring this fact is likely to work to your disadvantage.
Hard to disagree with that.

Well, one variable is that many of us surf the TMF with sigs turned off. I'm no longer affected by anyone's signature, because I don't see them. You can't do the same with screen names, and there are certainly a few that produce an instantaneous prejudice on my part. For example, any time I see a name like "NonConLer," I immediately picture an inconsiderate asshole who gets off on the violation and suffering of other people. Is this fair? I'd say "maybe," because he chose the name to represent himself.
No, I think that's fair, and a really great example. I've often thought (especially recently) about changing my user name. The point it was supposed to make, which was a statement about obnoxious sigs, was in fact too elusive and esoteric to be very effective. But every time I see one of the sigs that inspired me to try to make that statement, I put off changing it. I'll probably change it soon, though. I agree that it's obnoxious. It does seem to have served its purpose in one way, however. It's opened up at least some dialog about certain kinds of user names and sigs. If people can see my user name and feel free to write, "you're an asshole," perhaps that will make others think twice before adopting that smarmy sig.
 
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