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What is this thread about?

Couple things.

I'm the only fat, overweight, or lard-ass person I know. I know plenty of people who are plus-sized, bbw, pleasingly plump, have some meat to their bones, look like real people, etc.
Me, I'm just plain overweight.

Also, I'm the only one who deserves it. Most people I know have bad metabolism, refuse to accept society's unrealistic demands, won't give in to male fantasies, take medication, have differnet priorities, refuse to change for someone else, or demand to be accepted as-is.
Me, I eat too much and I exercise too little.

Why am I posting this? Well, I finally hauled my fat ass to the gym today and started eating salads as well.
I take full responsibility for my being overweight and not looking especially good. So I'm responsible for trying to make myself lose weight as well. This is sort of my public manifesto, a way of binding myself to an agreement with myself. The TMF are witnesses.

Anyone else is is unlucky enough to be overweight because of food or exercise, feel free to chime in. And if I can inspire just one person to exercise, so much the better. Because misery loves co--er, because I can spread positive health 😀.

Such has been my essay.
 
What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.
 
TicklishLurker said:
What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.

No one said youhad to be optimistic or anything.

I've been blessed with high metabolism.
 
my two pennies

TicklishLurker said:
What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.

Some people (like my wife now that she's 50) do it to feel better, lower blood pressure, and increase their range of physical activity, especially as they get older. That's one reason. Others are very comfortable with their current weight, which is great. In any case, I think if you're comfortable with your body it leads to greater health both mental and physical.
Avenger...good luck and I hope you get where you want to be!
 
TicklishLurker said:
What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.

Then why work, love , play ,or do anything else for that matter.... :idunno:
 
You might not get old

TicklishLurker said:
What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.
if you keep on being that negative, because I'll tickle you to death! :shake:

As for me, I'm fat, Old and Ugly and proud of it! :shock: :sowrong:
so there. 😛 :ranty: 😛
 
I asked my mom the same question, Lurker, and she said this.

"So we can be healthy and live longer, and the fork is what killed John Candy honey". "Everyday that you wake up and can breathe air and see everything in site is a blessing".

I was six.

And that was the only Candy my mom ever liked.
 
ViperGTS said:
No one said youhad to be optimistic or anything.

I've been blessed with high metabolism.

Well, good for you because some of us have been dealt a crappy genetic hand! What do we have to look forward to?

I'm not in the mood to hear about the exercise and diet BS that the so-called experts tout. It doesn't work for everybody-I've been doing it all of my life and am still society's social stigma-what about fat folks like us?

Yeah, most skinny people have no idea.
 
kis123 said:
Well, good for you because some of us have been dealt a crappy genetic hand! What do we have to look forward to?

I'm not in the mood to hear about the exercise and diet BS that the so-called experts tout. It doesn't work for everybody-I've been doing it all of my life and am still society's social stigma-what about fat folks like us?

Yeah, most skinny people have no idea.

That is probably true to some degree

I have always been active and work out several times a week . It is easy for me because I love to weightlift & have made many friends because of it.

I know it isnt easy for alot of people to lose weight but it can be done through diet & exercise. I have a good friend who weighed over 550lbs and has diabetes & high blood pressure. He started to exercise & watch what he ate and over 2years he has lost 350 lbs. If someone that morbidly obese can do it then anyone can.
 
I rather enjoy being fat, old, and ugly. I'm a survivor watching the workout-generation drop like flies.

I'll go quickly and peacefully knowing fully that I earned it 😀
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surpisingly enough, trying to lose weight is not just diet and exercise, it's also a lifestyle change. I have had my battles with weight issues since I turned 14. At 26, I have a pretty good handle on things, and over the years, I figured out what works best for me, simple calorie control and exercise.

The Mayo Clinic actually wrote a wonderful book on healthy lifestyles. I will find out the title for anyone interested tomorrow. But here are my things:

I control my weight, so it is my responsibility to know what I am eating, how much I am eating, and why I am eating it.

How much can I eat that day and still maintain my weight? Why am I eating it? Am I hungry, bored, moody? Have I exercised enough that it will even out my eating habits?

I love to eat. Not the action of eating, but I love food, and I love to taste, so weight is a constant issue I face and have to control. If I start to slack off the weight comes right back on.

I do have a few extra factors that help me that most people don't have. I have a weeeeeeeeeeeeee bit of a hyperactivity issue, so I am always moving and fidgeting, which allows me to burn more calories (that would be why there are stimulants in diet pills btw).

I enjoy exercising. I use it for more than just weight control, but I use it for stress control too. It's a time when I can think things through more clearly.

I'm an active person, I like to stay busy, so sometimes I admit I forget to eat or eat on the run.

Anyhoots, there is a way for everyone to get their desired fitness level. They may not be able to look a certain way, but there is a way to at least be healthy. Just a matter of experimenting and finding yours. But you have to want it and bad. Because it is work.

Pawz
 
Damn right it's work. I tire of analyzing each mouthful, and do not find that a satisfying way to live.
So I do not do it any more.
 
I'm with 'lurker. Screw diet and exercise. I work in an unhealthy environment, I smoke like a chimney, I eat whatever the hell I want and I sit on mt fat ass in front of the pc. Why? Because it helps me keep what little sanity I have left. Most people inherit diseases like cancer and such. Know what my family on both sides is known for? Longevity! Almost all of them, not including the ones who met unfortunate accidents, have lived to be in their 80's, 90's and even a few past the century mark. And many of them either smoked, were overweight, didn't exercise or any combination of the three. They did what they wanted and lived long full lives. And if I fall into the small percentile that doesn't make it that far....big deal. At least I died doing what I felt like doing instead of being dictated to.

And always remember....ROUND is a shape. :evilha:
 
First, lets define some terms.

Some of us are not talking about a few pounds, or even a few dozen pounds.
We're talking about CHRONIC MORBID OBESITY.
Chronic=persisting for more than 10 years
Morbid=life threatening
Obesity=the amount of OVERweight is equal to or greater than 50% of the ideal body weight. Example; if your ideal weight is 160, to be morbidly obese you have to wiegh 240 plus for more than 10 years.

Some time ago, the National Institutes Of Health (NIH for short) issued a concensus report on chronic morbid obesity. Now, an NIH concensus report is the closest thing there is to an official position of the US medical profession on a given topic.

So, what did this NIH concensus report say about chronic morbid obesity?

1-It is almost ALWAYS (99.98%) caused by genetic predisposition, not simple overeating or lack of willpower.

2-Speaking of long term results, diet flat out does not work.
3-Speaking of long term results, excercise flat out does not work.
4-Speaking of long term results, behavior modification/lifestyle change flat out does not work.
5-Speaking of long term results, any combination of the above flat out does not work.

Long term in this case means over five years after the initial weight loss. According to the report, all the highly pulicized and famous diet programs, substances and devices that claim such impressive "long term sucess rates", when examined by professionals, show very, very small sucess rates after TWO years, and none at all after 5. They deliberately end their studies at 5 years. Most of them drop people who regain the weight from the study in order to keep the percentage up, and they end the study when the total number left gets too small.

They investigated Jenny Craig, Deal a Meal, Bahaama diet, weight watchers, and all and I do mean all of the rest. Same deal with all of them.

So, what DOES work for chronic morbid obesity? Digestive tract contraction surgery! This comes in several variations nowadays. Some shrink the stomach surgically, some remove part of the intestinal tract, but there is general agreement that the stomach is a safer way to go. Stomach stapling, banded gastroplasty, gastric bypass, they all work!

In 1990 I wieghed over 700 pounds. Today I weigh 380. I had a gastric bypass. In 2001, before I sustained the injury that put me in a wheelchair, I was doing 90 minute sessions with a personal trainer 3 times a week, was down to 312, and was told that at the rate I was going I could probably complete a triathlon (Complete; NOT win) in another two years. The hip injury put paid to that of course. I was despondent, didn't give a damn, and went back up to 430. In the two years since moving from NYC to Pittsburgh, I'm back down to 380 again, and will keep losing. I will end up at about 240 in another few years. Why so long? because that's as fast as it can be done without the speed of the weight reduction doing more harm to ones' health than just staying fat would have done, that's why.

Every one of the many, many weight loss doctors I've consulted over the years has agreed, BTW, that 2 to 5 pounds a month is as fast as it is safe to lose large amounts of weight.

I hate to say this, but Flock, if your friend/acquaintance really dropped 350 pounds, from 550 down to 200, in just 2 years, there is a 95% chance that he has done SERIOUS harm to his own health in the process, and any specialist in Bariatrics (weight loss) will tell you so. Hell, man, that's over 63% of his original weight in just two years! He's lucky he's not dead!
The point is, what he did is NOT something anyone wants to emulate! There are easier, less painful ways to commit suicide.

Those of us, me included, who have been dealt the obesity gene as part of our somatotype (and yes, that gene has now been identified and isolated in a laboratory) face a lifelong struggle which we will never totally win. If we ever reach our goal weights, we will have to remain on maintainence diets (which would be weight LOSS diets for anyone normal) for the rest of our lives, just to stay where we then are.

So far, the only bright spot is that digestive tract surgery can stack the deck in our favor. Most of us know that if we just give up and let go, we can binge ourselves up a hundred pounds in a couple of months! Due to the surgery I had, what amounted to a FOUR YEAR despondent binge put only 118 pounds back on. I'vbe already lost back almost half of that in the two years I've been back on track. But for us who have the obesity gene, it's never easy.

So, why is this information not more widely available? Because there is a 10 bill;ion dollar a year industry which depends on selling us diets and supplements and excercise devices that they KNOW will not do us any good, that's why! Why is the info I mentioned not on the news media? Helloooooo! Look at the sponsors whose commercials air during the news programs! How many are from weight loss/fitness products which would be revealed as bogus by that report? Thank you!

The future hope is that someone will invent an effective gene therapy that will reverse the effect of the obesity gene so that our bodies will no longer fight us as we try to control our weight. If it can be sold profitably, it will be. If not, it will be suppressed.

I expect some flames aimed at me for this, because a lot of people out there seem to be hugely ego-invested in believing that just diet and excercise will work for everyone. Sorry, but you're just wrong. It is NOT a matter of opinion. It is proven scientific truth. (The info can be obtained from the NIH by anyone who cares to make the effort.) Deal with it.

:imouttahe
 
Avenger314 said:
...Why am I posting this? Well, I finally hauled my fat ass to the gym today and started eating salads as well...And if I can inspire just one person to exercise, so much the better. Because misery loves co--er, because I can spread positive health 😀.

Such has been my essay.

Good for you Avenger! I agree with the misery loves company part! Exercise and I are not steady companions. Something I've been trying to change ALL year! You're an example now, so keep up the good work and I'll try to emulate. I've been generally following the South Beach diet since January and have lost nearly 10 of the 12-15 pounds I want gone. Well, I want the excess gone. Should it turn into toned muscle--by some miracle that causes me to exercise regularly--I'll be okay with it.
 
Used to be

I readily admit my high school diet of Mountain Dew and pizza helped celebrate my overweight status back then. In my teenage years I was about 5'9 and weighed around 208 lbs. Yes I was a "lard ass" and I admit I deserved it...I sat on my toosh, ate junk food and did little else. I was the kid that everyone liked, but nobody found attractive type back then.

One day though I woke up and something just...clicked on in my brain (yes I know it sounds like a cliche but I'm being honest) and told me I needed a lifestyle change and soon. Started a diet, started working out more often...beginning with short jogs around the block and progressing to bigger steps as my body adjusted to its new level of activity, and tried being more optimistic instead of cynical (harder than losing the damn weight lol!)

It will be my 21st birthday in two days. I now stand 5'11 and weigh 172 lbs...still a bit overweight but I'm getting there! Now I look like a slightly chubby Andy Warhol 😛
 
Avenger314 said:
What is this thread about?

Couple things.

I'm the only fat, overweight, or lard-ass person I know. I know plenty of people who are plus-sized, bbw, pleasingly plump, have some meat to their bones, look like real people, etc.
Me, I'm just plain overweight.

Also, I'm the only one who deserves it. Most people I know have bad metabolism, refuse to accept society's unrealistic demands, won't give in to male fantasies, take medication, have differnet priorities, refuse to change for someone else, or demand to be accepted as-is.
Me, I eat too much and I exercise too little.

Why am I posting this? Well, I finally hauled my fat ass to the gym today and started eating salads as well.
I take full responsibility for my being overweight and not looking especially good. So I'm responsible for trying to make myself lose weight as well. This is sort of my public manifesto, a way of binding myself to an agreement with myself. The TMF are witnesses.

Anyone else is is unlucky enough to be overweight because of food or exercise, feel free to chime in. And if I can inspire just one person to exercise, so much the better. Because misery loves co--er, because I can spread positive health 😀.

Such has been my essay.

You know what?

This is the greatest post ever.

Thank you. FUCKING THANK YOU!

I haven't been working out like I was earlier in the year, but I have lost about thirty pounds this year. I started eating less, doing more...stopped drinking as much soda...and you know what? I feel better. I don't have the pounding blood pressure headaches. I also don't feel like a depressed piece of shit. Sure, I'm still a pretty big guy...but I am working at it and have come to accept that I am what I am currently rather then piss and moan about it.

I don't care. If you are fat...overweight...whatever...making bullshit excuses gives you zero credibility. It's a process...you want to do it? Do it for a few months. Don't do it for a week, look at the scale and say "I ONLY LOST A POUND FUCK THIS I QUIT!"

If the issue is "Why do it?"...well...congrats on laziness. But when that kid laughs at your size, well...don't start crying about it. People have more control over the situation then they realize...they just don't think that the effort is worth it/that it will be a quick fix process.

Yeah...this is a two hundred eighty plus pound guy saying this. I was three twenty two going into this year. So yeah...don't think this is someone who doesn't know what it's like pissing from a moral high ground.
 
I exercise and eat what I do in an effort to have my clothes fit me in
a way which makes me happy. I've never been skinny (except perhaps
when growing up) and I'd like to be fit and healthy in a way which is
practical.

I don't live on a farm, so there's no need for me to have to work a field
or bale hay, or swing a sythe.

There are things I like to do, however, like dance, climb mountains,
swim in rivers, run with the dogs, tickle etc. For those activities, I
like to be able to do it well, easily, and for a relatively long period
of time. In order for that to happen, I need to be in decent shape.
I have more energy and more flexibility when I am thinner, and I
find that I'm more capable of doing anything when I am thinner and active.

A function of my size/weight is my ability to DO, and once I realised
it was easier than I expected, and that I really DID have the time (joining
a gym definitely helped) there was nothing stopping me.

I choose to do things which improve me all the time. Those include
eating pretty damned near whatever I want (I love food; this weekend
I'm having freshly caught yellowfin tuna a friend reeled on on vacation
and going to a drover's roast on Sunday, which is a big whole-cow feast)
and being as active (physically & mentally) so that I can have a body
I enjoy using and looking at.

I'll say congratulations for pledging this to us, Avenger, and while I'm
not ready to make the same pledge myself, I'm keeping track for my own records.

Lee
 
Mastertank, I'm not going to quote you because that post was huge (no pun intended). I'm not completely sold on the diet-and-exercise=lasting weight loss.

Two years ago, I began a quest to lose weight. Everything was great the first year losing about 50 lbs. I bet the reader thinks "hey 50 lbs is great, what's her complaint?" It took six days a week at the gym and nearly starving myself to struggle 50 lbs in a year. Folks, that was way too much work for the amount of weight I'd have to lose to make doctors and society happy.

I went through a series of circumstances last year that were nearly insurmountable. I was out of cash so I couldn't keep the gym membership. I was over burdoned and over stressed, and finally hit that depressed stage. From November of last year to February of this year, I've pretty much gained all but 10 lbs back. Now it's a battle to stop the gaining, then find the ability to accept yet again another failure. Afterwards, it's back to the same grind I've done all my life-another weight loss plan of diet and exercise that doesn't work for me.

I've never been a fan or bariatric surgery, but desparate times are calling folks. It won't take place for at least a year since I'm in school (another stressful situation). I will reassess the situation then-if I'm still in the same mess that I've pretty much been all of my life, I will have it done!

Diet and exercise alone for those of us considered "morbidly obese" simply doesn't work over the long term. Metabolism and screwed up genetics aren't fixed by diet and exercise folks. I come from generations of obesity and I know what I'm talking about.

I rarely eat fast food and my portion sizes would kill some of you from starvation, yet I'm still big. Anyone care to answer that? A person can only live on carrot sticks for so long before they just get nasty. I went on a diet of six small meals a day with chicken, fish, vegetables-that was it! And they call that a lifestyle change? After about 5 weeks of that, I couldn't take anymore! I've been on every diet plan there is, even through the doctor and yet, I'm still big! It gets to the point that I just want to throw my hands in the air and say "screw it!" I know that isn't a realistic approach to my weight, but it's how I feel.

I've worked on myself in other areas that I can better control. I don't let people pass their judgement on me because my weight offends them. I'm the one carrying it around, what in the hell are you offended about? I went to Dallas last year and was the biggest at the gathering. Five years ago, I never would've considered such-I would've been too self-conscious. I've gotten back into the dating scene and found someone who is kind, loving, and thinks the world of me. Normally, I would've not even attempted such until I lost all the weight-then I'd be pretty enough for a man. It's his loss, not mine if the only thing that interests him are my measurements. Over all I feel better about myself now than I did at half my size. I'm still a work in progress and I still want to lose some weight-it just won't be on anyone else's terms but mine.
 
Thanks Avenger, excellent post! Not everyone likes to hear the truth but it needs to be said.

A few years ago I very randomly found the website/blog of a guy named Fred Anderson. He was 341 lbs, down from 370 lbs a few months before. Back then he saw a diabetic man have his black, crusty, rotten gangrenous toes removed on one of those ER shows, and it changed his mindset about his body and where he was headed. For years I've been a fan, I literally watched him go from 341 lbs to around 200 lbs. No surgery, no trainer. Not even a gym for the most part. He no longer needs any of the meds he was on, including diabetes and high blood pressure medication. In fact he has no physical signs of diabetes. And all he did was start moving his body in ways he liked, walking at first then running and biking when he was able, and stop eating things that suck for your body. I have his book and I love it, here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/Chunk-Hunk-Di...=pd_bbs_1/104-2618840-0684722?ie=UTF8&s=books

and his blog: www.onephatman.com

Hey, every female in my family is under 5'3 and built like a fireplug. A rather sexy hourglass fireplug but still...I know from genetics, I know from metabolism...I know. I just don't accept them as excuses, for me or anyone else. My family gave me the clay, how I mold it is up to me. Besides, genetics has plus and minuses for everyone-sure, some girls stay thin with far more ease than I do, but they also have to pay thousands for the bodacious bosom and booty my mama gave me; it's an even exchange 😉 And we ALL have to work to be fit, no one is born with the kind of muscle and endurance I like having.

My two cents, YMMV :cat:

Bella
 
Here is the name of that book if anyone is interested:

Mayo Clinic Healthy Weight for Everybody

It's a great book. And just keep in mind, it is a lifestyle change, and you have to be able to stick with it, so take it slow if you are going to. Don't wanna tire yourself out or overdo it so you can't stick with it. It's lifelong, not monthlong 😉

Pawzers

PS - I have been helping people lose weight for quite some time, if anyone wants any help or even support, feel free to PM me 🙂
 
Well done, I wanna wish you luck with your desire to lose some weight and get fitter, its not bloody easy but I'm sure you realise this 🙂

I have lost just over 5 stone and the first reason I started losing weight was because I couldn't walk a few feet without crippling lower back pain and I even went to my doctors and they referred me to have a back x-ray and of course it showed nothing wrong only my weight. I'm still battling about the weight and have another stone to come off and its so hard when you get nearer to 'goal' as when you gain a couple of pounds you feel so despondent and wonder why its so fuckin easy at gaining but much harder at losing it.

I also go bike riding a lot (or used to up til a few months ago), as now I go running and will start doing upper body weights again. I must admit I don't like the prospect of exercise but when I'm doing it and the adrenaline rush I get its such a buzz and I end up loving it and looking forward to a cycle ride or run. Also the change in body shape can be a bit addictive 😛

Anyway, enough of me going on and boring everyone, good luck again and please post how you get on, if you need any support then you can PM me as I know how hard it is and I can be a sounding block when you get those 'down' times, as there are sure to be many.

LeeLee

Avenger314 said:
What is this thread about?

Couple things.

I'm the only fat, overweight, or lard-ass person I know. I know plenty of people who are plus-sized, bbw, pleasingly plump, have some meat to their bones, look like real people, etc.
Me, I'm just plain overweight.

Also, I'm the only one who deserves it. Most people I know have bad metabolism, refuse to accept society's unrealistic demands, won't give in to male fantasies, take medication, have differnet priorities, refuse to change for someone else, or demand to be accepted as-is.
Me, I eat too much and I exercise too little.

Why am I posting this? Well, I finally hauled my fat ass to the gym today and started eating salads as well.
I take full responsibility for my being overweight and not looking especially good. So I'm responsible for trying to make myself lose weight as well. This is sort of my public manifesto, a way of binding myself to an agreement with myself. The TMF are witnesses.

Anyone else is is unlucky enough to be overweight because of food or exercise, feel free to chime in. And if I can inspire just one person to exercise, so much the better. Because misery loves co--er, because I can spread positive health 😀.

Such has been my essay.
 
Right On man!

Strider said:
I'm 6'2 and hover at around 220. The highest I've ever been is around 270, and there's no way in hell I'm ever going back to that. I don't think it's physically possible for me to be less than 185-190, which is fine by me, because I really don't think I'd ever want to be much lower than that. I am somewhat lucky in that I just have a naturally big frame, so I carry my extra weight easier and better spread out than many. Still, after a bit of an absence, I've been hitting the gym again, as I'd like to get back to around 200, which is what I was a couple years ago, which I then let creep back up again.

Although, to semi-echo what Bella said, it's really a matter of making what you have work for you. Beauty may be physical, but being hot is at least 50% mental. See yourself as a rock star, and others will too.
Beautiful may be appearance, but sexy is pure attitude!
Some of the sexiest women I've ever known have not been beautiful at all, and some of the most beautiful have not been sexy at all. Two different things.
 
bella said:
Thanks Avenger, excellent post! Not everyone likes to hear the truth but it needs to be said.

Hey, every female in my family is under 5'3 and built like a fireplug. A rather sexy hourglass fireplug but still...I know from genetics, I know from metabolism...I know. I just don't accept them as excuses, for me or anyone else. My family gave me the clay, how I mold it is up to me. Besides, genetics has plus and minuses for everyone-sure, some girls stay thin with far more ease than I do, but they also have to pay thousands for the bodacious bosom and booty my mama gave me; it's an even exchange 😉 And we ALL have to work to be fit, no one is born with the kind of muscle and endurance I like having.

My two cents, YMMV :cat:

Bella

No one is making excuses here, just stating generations of facts based on my personal experience. I could just sit here and do nothing, yet I get up and try and fail over and over again. I just can't stop buying into the stupid exercise and diet crap. I'm not talking about 20, 30, or even 50 lbs-I'm talking serious weight. It's unrealistic that just diet and exercise alone gets it done. It has yet to do it for me.
 
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