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[OnnaOtaku]

What's the point of diet and excercise? We're all going to get old and die anyway.

Some people exercise to live LONGER! I know my mother has changed her eating habits and regular activities so that she can pretty much live at all. Because of her poor nutrition and lack of exercise in the past, she has had and beat cancer, a heart attack and now is diabetic. Having a lack of exercise in your life can cause seriously physical and internal problems for you, unless of course some people have a death wish anyways, some people prefer to live longer than 40 or 50 years or so. I sometimes don't understand why some people think working out is a bad thing? Some even label it as being vain. I'm a hypocrite though, because I don't work out. I know that I should, but I don't mainly because I'm just lazy. LoL.

 

[Mastertank1]

Like I said above;

Lots of people are very heavily ego invested in the whole diet and excercise lie.
Look folks, when I was up in 700 pound land, I lost over 100 pounds on several occasions through diet and excercise, but it just isn't possible to keep that kind of existance up for much longer than that unless the alternative is almost immedeate death, which is a whole other psychological territory.

I repeat; this is NOT just MY opinion. The National Institutes Of Health of the USA said that diet/excercise/behavior mod/motivational programming DO NOT WORK for chronic morbid obesity.
To set your personal opinion against that and act on it is very like the creationists who will not let their doctors give them the new antibiotics developed to fight diseasaes that are now resistant to the old antibiotics, because that would mean admitting that the diseases evolved, and they won't accept evolution under any circumstances.
You have that right, but that won't stop your wrong decision from killing you. So by excercising your right, you'll be dead right. so to speak.

I know it's hard to admit it when something that you've put a huge amount of time, effort and expenditure into turns out to be something that never had any chance of working. It's why a lot of the victims of pyramid schemes never stop defending the con artists who took their money; they just can't face the fact that all that time, effort and money was wasted on a fraud. That's what ego-invested means.

The important thing is that yo-yoing your weight up and down will do you more harm, and in a relatively short time, than just staying fat. This, again, id fact, not opinion. If you do suffer from chronic morbid obesity, as defined in my earlier post, either get a surgical intervention or give up on losing the weight. Believe it or don't, those are your two healthiest choices, in that order.

 

[TicklishLurker]

I'm with 'lurker. Screw diet and exercise.

Don't "be with me" please. I'm just a Negitive Nelly right now cause I'm all depressed about turning 30.

Anyway, diet and excercise do NOT work for everyone. One of my mom's friends practically starved herself to death, still remained over 400 lbs.

Turns out she had a tumor on her thyroid gland and that was causing her to be fat.

 

[slacker2114]

Don't "be with me" please. I'm just a Negitive Nelly right now cause I'm all depressed about turning 30.

I'm with you on this simply because I feel diet and exercise are a waste of time. I mean, do people think that if they have a good diet and they exercise that they'll live forever? I got two words for you: Jim Fixx.

My opinion is we're gonna die anyway. If limiting what you eat and working out and all that crap is your idea of living then go for it. Whatever yanks your crank. Me, I feel it unnecessary to limit myself. Food is one of my few joys in life and dammit I'm gonna enjoy it as much as I like.

And as far as your negativity goes, Jami, I sent you my feeling on that. 😛

 

[storyteller]

...Every one of the many, many weight loss doctors I've consulted over the years has agreed, BTW, that 2 to 5 pounds a month is as fast as it is safe to lose large amounts of weight...Those of us, me included, who have been dealt the obesity gene as part of our somatotype (and yes, that gene has now been identified and isolated in a laboratory) face a lifelong struggle which we will never totally win. If we ever reach our goal weights, we will have to remain on maintainence diets (which would be weight LOSS diets for anyone normal) for the rest of our lives, just to stay where we then are.

Two years ago, I began a quest to lose weight. Everything was great the first year losing about 50 lbs...I went through a series of circumstances last year that were nearly insurmountable...I've pretty much gained all but 10 lbs back. Now it's a battle to stop the gaining,...I've never been a fan or bariatric surgery, but desparate times are calling folks....

Thanks for your posts, Mastertank and kis123. This particular gene, which I call the fat gene, runs rampant on my paternal side. That is, I got it from Dad, but I got something that turns it off or hinders it from Mom. So, I at least have a metabolism, low, but I have one. My younger sister wasn't as lucky. She got that gene in full force and struggles with her weight EVERY DAY. She knows more about food and nutrition and dieting than anyone I know, leads an active lifestyle, and exercises regularly. Her weight, however, remains high. Sometimes, she gets really down. kis, I've heard her say, "If I could just lose 50 pounds..." And, if she could, she might still be overweight, but not over by an amount that isn't livable. I would be very happy if she could do this because high blood pressure also runs on our paternal side and I don't want her to have a fatal heart attack. But, I know that she's fighting genetics and it's a damn uneven battle. BTW: She's married with two kids and her husband loves her just the way she is, which sometimes pisses her off! She's HIGH MAINTENANCE!

This gene and its effect on my sister's life has made me determined to keep it at bay. When I felt my weight was going too far up the scale--which it was--I decided I couldn't afford to wait any longer to address the problem. Mastertank, I sure hope that the healthy way of losing weight that you mentioned explains why it's taken me 9 months to lose 10 pounds. Also hope it means that excess in the form of fat is more likely to stay off, especially if I continue to improve my nutritional habits and begin to exercise. I have good reason to fear that gene taking over...

No offense Mastertank, but kis, before you have that surgery, please consult with a reputable doctor, or two or three, and be sure that it's appropriate for you. I know someone who had it done (stomach staple and/or intestine removal) and it didn't work. She's as heavy now as she was before she had it done; her weight came back within the first year or 18 months afterward. She has the gene too. Perhaps the surgery wasn't effective for her because she didn't need to lose hundreds of pounds, maybe about a 100. I don't know. I only know it didn't work.

Good luck to both of you as you continue in this ongoing battle AND to every one else who's trying to control their weight!

 

[Mastertank1]

Damn Right, Storyteller!

Thanks for your posts, Mastertank and kis123. This particular gene, which I call the fat gene, runs rampant on my paternal side. That is, I got it from Dad, but I got something that turns it off or hinders it from Mom. So, I at least have a metabolism, low, but I have one. My younger sister wasn't as lucky. She got that gene in full force and struggles with her weight EVERY DAY. She knows more about food and nutrition and dieting than anyone I know, leads an active lifestyle, and exercises regularly. Her weight, however, remains high. Sometimes, she gets really down. kis, I've heard her say, "If I could just lose 50 pounds..." And, if she could, she might still be overweight, but not over by an amount that isn't livable. I would be very happy if she could do this because high blood pressure also runs on our paternal side and I don't want her to have a fatal heart attack. But, I know that she's fighting genetics and it's a damn uneven battle. BTW: She's married with two kids and her husband loves her just the way she is, which sometimes pisses her off! She's HIGH MAINTENANCE!

This gene and its effect on my sister's life has made me determined to keep it at bay. When I felt my weight was going too far up the scale--which it was--I decided I couldn't afford to wait any longer to address the problem. Mastertank, I sure hope that the healthy way of losing weight that you mentioned explains why it's taken me 9 months to lose 10 pounds. Also hope it means that excess in the form of fat is more likely to stay off, especially if I continue to improve my nutritional habits and begin to exercise. I have good reason to fear that gene taking over...

No offense Mastertank, but kis, before you have that surgery, please consult with a reputable doctor, or two or three, and be sure that it's appropriate for you. I know someone who had it done (stomach staple and/or intestine removal) and it didn't work. She's as heavy now as she was before she had it done; her weight came back within the first year or 18 months afterward. She has the gene too. Perhaps the surgery wasn't effective for her because she didn't need to lose hundreds of pounds, maybe about a 100. I don't know. I only know it didn't work.

Good luck to both of you as you continue in this ongoing battle AND to every one else who's trying to control their weight!

Any of the digestive tract adjustment procedures is MAJOR surgery. I would say consult AT LEAST four different doctors, NO TWO of whom should work in the same practice! As for that friend of yours; the intestinal removals, as I indicated, are in every way more iffy than the older procedures like the gastroplasties, bandings, staplings, and the one I had, the gastric bypass, which is the oldest and most successful.
It was recently discovered that certain vital nutrients are absorbed only in certain segments of the intestines. The effect of that is that if too much of such a section is removed, it creates difficulty in the ingestion of enough of that particular nutrient. This creates deficiency diseases, which create cravings, which lead to increased hunger, counteracting the hunger limiting side effect which is one of the greatest benefits of the purely stomach surgeries. That has only recently been ubderstood, and is why many of the intestine shortening procedures have been discontinued.
Virtually all of the few serious failures of such surgery have occurred in the intestinal shortening procedures.
Personally, I consulted 6 doctors in two different cities before I made a hard decision to go ahead and do it.
Storytellers' advice is right on the money!

 

[kis123]

Lots of people are very heavily ego invested in the whole diet and excercise lie.
Look folks, when I was up in 700 pound land, I lost over 100 pounds on several occasions through diet and excercise, but it just isn't possible to keep that kind of existance up for much longer than that unless the alternative is almost immedeate death, which is a whole other psychological territory.

I repeat; this is NOT just MY opinion. The National Institutes Of Health of the USA said that diet/excercise/behavior mod/motivational programming DO NOT WORK for chronic morbid obesity.
To set your personal opinion against that and act on it is very like the creationists who will not let their doctors give them the new antibiotics developed to fight diseasaes that are now resistant to the old antibiotics, because that would mean admitting that the diseases evolved, and they won't accept evolution under any circumstances.
You have that right, but that won't stop your wrong decision from killing you. So by excercising your right, you'll be dead right. so to speak.

I know it's hard to admit it when something that you've put a huge amount of time, effort and expenditure into turns out to be something that never had any chance of working. It's why a lot of the victims of pyramid schemes never stop defending the con artists who took their money; they just can't face the fact that all that time, effort and money was wasted on a fraud. That's what ego-invested means.

The important thing is that yo-yoing your weight up and down will do you more harm, and in a relatively short time, than just staying fat. This, again, id fact, not opinion. If you do suffer from chronic morbid obesity, as defined in my earlier post, either get a surgical intervention or give up on losing the weight. Believe it or don't, those are your two healthiest choices, in that order.

I live near two renown hospitals for the procedure-Cleveland Clinic and St Vincent Charity hospitals. Between the two, St Vincent has the greatest reputation for bariatric surgery. They have an intensive 12-week program that educates and challenges the potential patient even before one procedure is done. The doctors each have over 15 years and hundreds (if not thousands) of surgeries under their belts. This is most likely where I'll have mine done. I have one year to see what I can get done on my own, if not, I will have the surgery. My sister had hers at Cleveland Clinic-her health condition didn't allow her to exercise at all and she still lost over 100 lbs (and she's over 50yrs old).

Now if anyone has a better alternative for a person under my circumstances, I'm all ears!! Otherwise, I'll do whatever needs to be done to take care of me. But skinny people need not apply-with all due respect, you don't know my struggle and you don't live in my world so you couldn't possibly understand. I'm just glad you're thin/slim and don't have to deal with my daily drama.

Storyteller, thanks for your understanding. I've done my research and am very close to making a decision. Your experience created your compassion for folks like me who are fighting the war on fat and aren't really winning.

 

[Avenger314]

Hey all,

Wow, this thread has gotten flamed a LOT less than I feared it would. The negative responses are mainly from those I expected, and even those weren't bad. (and a few people came in on an unexpected positive opinion).

One brief thing regarding terminology.
People say that dieting and exercise aren't enough; you need a lifestyle change. In my view, changing your eating and exercise habits IS a lifestyle change, in and of itself. I submit that what everyone really means is that people need a mindset change in addition to a lifestyle change.

Doing well; today was my third day in a row at the gym and I have every intention of going tomorrow as well. I think hitting a routine will work wonders for me. I originally wanted to do both the 'circuit' (a variety of nautilis machiens that work each muscle group) and 30 minutes of cardio every day. But I've decided that this is impractical, as it is
a) suicide
b) requires me to take 1.5-2 hour lunch break at work.... yeah, no.
So, I think I'll do MWF cardio and TR muscle tone. (weight loss is more important to me than muscle tone at this point. The muscle is more or less there, if the fat would just get out of the way).

To all those who posted, my thanks. To all those who didn't flame (literally everyone, even those who disagreed didn't make a personal attack), thanks. Those who wished me luck, thanks again. Those I managed to inspire--woot!

 

[nowayjose]

I know I'm probably getting flamed to death for this, but I've observed two things with fat people:

a) they enjoy eating far too much, and they eat too much. Just eat less, smaller servings, and only if you're hungry. Eating is for keeping you alive, not as a medication against your depression.
b) they consume far too much sugar. It's mainly sugar which makes you fat, not animal fat (that just clogs your arteries). If I'd drink a liter or more of Coke every day, I'd probably develop diabetes within 10 years, and I'm slim. I'll never understand all the diet-coke, diet-blah chemical substitute madness. Just drink (mineral) water?

The genetic factor exists but I think it's overrated. It's mostly the difference in what you put in at the front and what comes out at the end which makes you fat. And that can be changed. Most reprocessed food (McDonalds junk) metabolizes directly to sugar. It's not just the grease that makes you fat, that mostly just kills your heart.

 

[Goodieluver]

medically i am obese but not as bad as the stereotypical 'fat" person
(250 lbs at 5"11)

I like my life normally, when\if diabetes and heart disease hit, then i'll change, its in my family, u cant "not" get it

 

[metalgod]

if youre fat and happy, good for you. if youre fat and angry, screw what you say, diet and exercise works, or youre not fuckin doin it right. and yes, im an expert

 

[kis123]

I know I'm probably getting flamed to death for this, but I've observed two things with fat people:

a) they enjoy eating far too much, and they eat too much. Just eat less, smaller servings, and only if you're hungry. Eating is for keeping you alive, not as a medication against your depression.
b) they consume far too much sugar. It's mainly sugar which makes you fat, not animal fat (that just clogs your arteries). If I'd drink a liter or more of Coke every day, I'd probably develop diabetes within 10 years, and I'm slim. I'll never understand all the diet-coke, diet-blah chemical substitute madness. Just drink (mineral) water?

The genetic factor exists but I think it's overrated. It's mostly the difference in what you put in at the front and what comes out at the end which makes you fat. And that can be changed. Most reprocessed food (McDonalds junk) metabolizes directly to sugar. It's not just the grease that makes you fat, that mostly just kills your heart.

I don't eat fast food, I drink nearly 1 gallon of water EVERY SINGLE DAY! I don't eat nearly the amount of sugar my thinner counterparts do, and I don't eat everytime I get depressed as much as I stop moving. So I don't fit into your stereotypical "fat" mold you seem to be so sure of.

The genetic factor exists because it's fact and it's grossly underrated to give the medical and so-called health communities the hook many of us have bought into about the diet and exercise crap. Whether you agree or not, it simply doesn't work for everybody. If it did, more would succeed.

Many that are on certain medications are destined to gain weight. My son gained 90 lbs in six months over anti depressant and anti anxiety meds. Is it all his fault? If he didn't take the meds, he'd probably be dead by now. It is the reason I won't take anti-depressants anymore, but I won't judge those who do. Many would be dead if they didn't.

Are you under the impression that large people love being that way? I'm talking about the 300, 400+ pound people who've tried every diet and exercise plan on the planet only to fail and throw their hands up. Why bother trying anymore-I should just stay the way I am!! That's what many think and I partially cannot blame. Many have tried and tried and failed and failed doing it the way everyone says they should. Are all of them depressed slobs who eat too much junk food and sugar?? Probably not!

If you've NEVER walked in my moccasins, you can NEVER really understand or truly know my issues. What separates me from the drug addicts, alcoholics, smokers and other addicts is the fact that my issues are worn on the outside and can't be hidden. The only thing you can do is what most of society does, make borderline-condescending stereotypical generalizations (usually media based). If you haven't lived in my world (which I at times, wouldn't wish on a dog) you have no idea.

 

[kis123]

if youre fat and happy, good for you. if youre fat and angry, screw what you say, diet and exercise works, or youre not fuckin doin it right. and yes, im an expert

I'm fat and pretty much a happy person. What makes me unhappy is people with blanket general condenscending statements that they think apply to everyone. You might be an expert on exercise but you don't know me from a can of spray paint and cannot judge what and who you don't ABSOLUTELY know!

You don't sit at my table and watch what I eat or how much I walk during the course of my day. I'm not the stereotypical fat person who sits on my ass all day with a box of donuts-I'm active and have to be in order to go to work, make a paycheck and raise my children. This includes studying for a Masters Degree-who the hell has time to sit down? I certainly don't!

Simply put, it doesn't work for everybody. Nothing works for everybody, why do you think this would be any different? Because some medical "professional" says so?

 

[nowayjose]

Many that are on certain medications are destined to gain weight. My son gained 90 lbs in six months over anti depressant and anti anxiety meds.

Yeah well, but that's a completely different issue.

Are you under the impression that large people love being that way? I'm talking about the 300, 400+ pound people who've tried every diet and exercise plan on the planet only to fail and throw their hands up.

I haven't spoken about you or anyone in particular. However, there are many people who are just overweight and who are so because they eat too much, too much sugar etc. And those people can lose a lot of weight by simply adjusting their food, and especially their sugar and carbohydrate intake. Carbohydrates are metabolized into sugar, this includes noodles, pasta and stuff like that. I don't say that one should completely skip those foods but simply eat less of them. Why aren't there many fat people in parts of the world where reprocessed food isn't normally consumed (I'm not talking about starving people, just those who live in mostly agricultural societies and who eat food that is more or less natural)? And why are people suddenly getting obese in masses when confronted with the influx of reprocessed "Western" food (like in China, where this is becoming a major problem)? That's definitely a factor. And I have observed personally in people I know that they complain all the time that they are overweight, and switch to "diet" food etc. but they gobble down huge servings nevertheless where simply eating less would certainly help. That is not a silver bullet for everyone but there are many people who fall into that pattern and who simply eat more than they need, and they all also have a preference for sweet (sugar) stuff.

 

[Mastertank1]

You are wrong.

I know I'm probably getting flamed to death for this, but I've observed two things with fat people:

a) they enjoy eating far too much, and they eat too much. Just eat less, smaller servings, and only if you're hungry. Eating is for keeping you alive, not as a medication against your depression.
b) they consume far too much sugar. It's mainly sugar which makes you fat, not animal fat (that just clogs your arteries). If I'd drink a liter or more of Coke every day, I'd probably develop diabetes within 10 years, and I'm slim. I'll never understand all the diet-coke, diet-blah chemical substitute madness. Just drink (mineral) water?

The genetic factor exists but I think it's overrated. It's mostly the difference in what you put in at the front and what comes out at the end which makes you fat. And that can be changed. Most reprocessed food (McDonalds junk) metabolizes directly to sugar. It's not just the grease that makes you fat, that mostly just kills your heart.

You are completely wrong.
This is not my opinion, it is medically attested fact.
You are entitled to have and act on your erroneous opinion, but to try to convince others to do so comes under the classic 'you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire' limitation on freedom of speech, because if you convince someone it may very well kill them.

 

[Mastertank1]

In two words, Bull Shit.

if youre fat and happy, good for you. if youre fat and angry, screw what you say, diet and exercise works, or youre not fuckin doin it right. and yes, im an expert

No expert would make a blanket, unqualified statement like that.
That's aside from the fact that you're totally wrong.
What are the 'expert' credentials you pretend to have?

 

[metalgod]

kis123, diet and exercise always works. always. unless done incorrectly. medical professionals dont know shit bout weight management, dont listen to them. genetic predispositions are a factor that can be overcome. let it be known. amen.

 

[kis123]

Yeah well, but that's a completely different issue.



I haven't spoken about you or anyone in particular. However, there are many people who are just overweight and who are so because they eat too much, too much sugar etc. And those people can lose a lot of weight by simply adjusting their food, and especially their sugar and carbohydrate intake. Carbohydrates are metabolized into sugar, this includes noodles, pasta and stuff like that. I don't say that one should completely skip those foods but simply eat less of them. Why aren't there many fat people in parts of the world where reprocessed food isn't normally consumed (I'm not talking about starving people, just those who live in mostly agricultural societies and who eat food that is more or less natural)? And why are people suddenly getting obese in masses when confronted with the influx of reprocessed "Western" food (like in China, where this is becoming a major problem)? That's definitely a factor. And I have observed personally in people I know that they complain all the time that they are overweight, and switch to "diet" food etc. but they gobble down huge servings nevertheless where simply eating less would certainly help. That is not a silver bullet for everyone but there are many people who fall into that pattern and who simply eat more than they need, and they all also have a preference for sweet (sugar) stuff.

I was almost there with you until the "they all" part. Who is they all-the fat people you know? I know skinny people who can put down 3times the food I eat and remain thin. Know why?? It's called METABOLISM-either you got it or you don't. Some of us have dieted and exercised our metabolism away with the yo-yo weight gains and losses. I don't know how you repair it once it's damaged-if you figure it out, let me know.

Funny, it's hard as hell to lose weight, but incredibly easy to gain it-why is that? It took me over a year to lose a lousy 50lbs and 3mos to regain nearly forty. Why is that?? Remember, I don't eat fast food, and my junk food is in moderation (a helluva lot better than it used to be), I drink more water than everyone I personally know. What is the problem-generations of fat folks is the problem! The only way this weight is coming off is if I cut it off, hence the bariatric surgery. And contrary to some, it is NOT an easy way out! It is a major surgery where people have died-it is a huge risk and a last resort for many that have done it society's way repeatedly and didn't win.

 

[Mastertank1]

Well, that answers THAT question.

kis123, diet and exercise always works. always. unless done incorrectly. medical professionals dont know shit bout weight management, dont listen to them. genetic predispositions are a factor that can be overcome. let it be known. amen.

The part of your quote I put in boldface tells us all we needed to know about your self-described 'expert' credentials. It lets us all know that we need not pay any attention to anything you have to say on this subject, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks for resolving that.

 

[metalgod]

mastertank. there is a reason why this century is the only century in all of history with literally thousands of 400+ lb. individuals. genetic predispositions have been around for all of fuckin humanity, yet only recently has obesity skyrocketed. theres a reason, and its not genetics. by the way, whoever last posted, metabolism can be altered, significally in fact, if you 'dont have it'

 

[kis123]

kis123, diet and exercise always works. always. unless done incorrectly. medical professionals dont know shit bout weight management, dont listen to them. genetic predispositions are a factor that can be overcome. let it be known. amen.

If diet and exercise ALWAYS works, then please explain to me why I sweat my ass off in the gym 6-7 days a week with cardio and weights, ate 6 meals a day that were perfectly measured and only lost 50 lbs in a year? Now explain to me why it took only 3 months to gain 40 back? As I said on my last post, I'm a big woman, but am active. I don't have time to sit at home and eat bon-bons, I drink plenty of water and eat far less than my skinny counterparts.

What do I have to do to please society, live off carrot sticks until I drop dead? Or exercise until I cramp every muscle in my body? What the hell is the payoff-great beginning weight loss with 4 month plateaus? Give me a break, it doesn't work for everyone every time-nothing "always" works for anyone. Sorry, I've been down this road too many times and it simply doesn't work. But I'll keep trying because society says I should look like Halle Berry in order to be healthy and beautiful. Gosh, I'm glad that I (and my SO) already know I'm beautiful if I never lose an ounce-I might have killed myself by now otherwise.

 

[Mastertank1]

Sure there's a reason;

mastertank. there is a reason why this century is the only century in all of history with literally thousands of 400+ lb. individuals. genetic predispositions have been around for all of fuckin humanity, yet only recently has obesity skyrocketed. theres a reason, and its not genetics. by the way, whoever last posted, metabolism can be altered, significally in fact, if you 'dont have it'

Until the past century undernourishmant and malnutrition have the normal condition of the overwhelmig majority of the human race. The sudden increase in 400+ pound individuals is because bodies which evolved to survive in a situation of food scarcity are now provided with regular food supplies; of course they balloon up out of control. Until the current era, the gene complex collectively responsible for overweight was a very strong pro-survival characteristic to have, because almost no one ever got enough to eat to actually get fat, even if they did have the genes for it.
In our current socio-economic environment, having that gene complex will cause most of us who have it to die younger than others, go through life suffering discriminatoin and ostracism, and be denied the opportunity to reproduce, which will eventually breed the gene complex out of the collective human gene pool. That process is slow, taking millenia rather than centuries, and in the meanwhile it is brutally unfair to those who are genetically selected against. Natural selection has always been brutally unfair. There is a very good chance that before the last of our generation passes away, science will have found a way to artificially allow people who have that gene complex to decide not to pass it on to their children, thus eliminating it in only a few generations instead of the normal time span required.
There may even be a gene therapy that will counteract the effects of that gene complex in those of us who were born with it. In the present time, the only effective way to counter it is the various forms of digestive tract reduction surgery, and that is true scientific fact, not a matter of opinion.

 

[nowayjose]

I was almost there with you until the "they all" part. Who is they all-the fat people you know?

"They all" means all that I know. Obviously, I can't say anything about those that I don't know.

I know skinny people who can put down 3times the food I eat and remain thin. Know why?? It's called METABOLISM-either you got it or you don't.

That's true.. I can eat a lot more than overweight friends and I don't ever gain a single pound. However, I don't do that every day. Obviously I don't have a solution for the overweight problem, otherwise I'd be filthy rich and there wouldn't be any fat people around. However, it can't be denied that obesity is a problem of the Western way of life. You simply don't have that kind of problem in parts of the world where people are living in simple agricultural societies. And they're not all starving. The root of the problem is somewhere in our lifestyle. I don't believe all the genetically preconditioned people are concentrated just in our Western hemisphere. This can be verified by observing the increasing number of newly obese people in China, where overweight hasn't been a significant problem previously when they were sticking to traditional nutrition. Western preprocessed food has made them fat.

 

[metalgod]

kis123...so lemme get this straight. you lost 50lbs in a year, with diet and exercise, and youre unsatisfied with that? and excuse me, but did you say it doesnt work? cause thats proof it does. im sorry that the cramping from your exercise makes you uncomfortable. maybe we should get you a person to wipe off the disgusting sweat on workout benches from previous users, since that would be more comfortable for you. listen, for some people its hard, for other people its harder. if youre unhappy with youre life, you have to change the lifestyle, common sense. if you go back to the old lifestyle, the old life will return. again, common sense.

mastertank. bullshit. everything needs to be observed from the most basic of all viewpoints. in premodern society people werent lazy fucks. today, we drive instead of walking, our food is modified beyond belief, we take medications with god knows what chemicals and what affects they have, and by no means do we chase our food down and kill it. according to what youre telling me, you say that if your genes say youre gonna be fat, then youre gonna be fat. this is bullshit. energy is required to maintain your fat, and that energy comes from calories (food). are you telling me that if you NEVER (hypothetically)ate, youd never lose any fat? of course not. so the problem lies within how fast your body can break down food, in other words, metabolism. granted, metabolism can be genetically different for each individual. this, however, does not mean that metabolism cannot be significantly altered. in fact, the more you eat, the higher your metabolism, and the leaner (not necessarily skinnier) youll be, IF you eat food in a way such that it cannot possibly be turned into fat. dont forget about your "skinny-fat" counterparts...the ones who seem skinny but in reality have no muscle whatsoever and may be in just as bad of shape as an overweight person. if you wanna whine and bitch about genetics, then go ahead and pity yourself for how you were born. youre missing out on the BEST way to keep yourself in shape. diet, and exercise.

Goddamn lazy americans

 

[scorpionldr]

What is this thread about?

Couple things.

I'm the only fat, overweight, or lard-ass person I know. I know plenty of people who are plus-sized, bbw, pleasingly plump, have some meat to their bones, look like real people, etc.
Me, I'm just plain overweight.

Also, I'm the only one who deserves it. Most people I know have bad metabolism, refuse to accept society's unrealistic demands, won't give in to male fantasies, take medication, have differnet priorities, refuse to change for someone else, or demand to be accepted as-is.
Me, I eat too much and I exercise too little.

Why am I posting this? Well, I finally hauled my fat ass to the gym today and started eating salads as well.
I take full responsibility for my being overweight and not looking especially good. So I'm responsible for trying to make myself lose weight as well. This is sort of my public manifesto, a way of binding myself to an agreement with myself. The TMF are witnesses.

Anyone else is is unlucky enough to be overweight because of food or exercise, feel free to chime in. And if I can inspire just one person to exercise, so much the better. Because misery loves co--er, because I can spread positive health 😀.

Such has been my essay.

college made me fat. too many annoying sit down lectures, not enough time to get up from writing to excercise