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[Avenger314]

Oh, shit. This post suddenly got the spark that'll turn it into a flame.

Metalgod, back down a bit, this post was NOT intended to be militant or harsh. The farthest I meant to go is implied parody. Mastertank and Kis, stand down to a lower phase of alert. Cutting down Metalgod's arguments is like machine-gunning a 6-year-old with a limp. Ignore him.

Back to the topic...
While I admit there was a bit of snide sarcasm in my initial post about being the 'only' one who deserves to be overweight, I was about 40% serious. There are individuals who are overweight due to reasons beyond my control. It is my contention, however, that the number of people who actually claim to have no control over their weight is much greater than those who actually DO have no control over their weight.

Kis, I'm taking your words quite literally. I don't know you. I have no way of knowing if you're overweight because you eat too much and your post is just self-pity, or (as is infinitely more likely) WYSIWIG--you exercise, diet, and mother nature blew a raspberry at you anyway. Sometimes I hate that bitch.

Mastertank, let me disagree with you on one area. Diet and exercise is never not helpful. Nobody's health or quality of life will be degraded by removing junk food and adding a half hour of cardio every day. You argue that losing 30 pounds per week is unhealthy, and I agree. But reverse it--the process of 1/2 hour cardio and eliminating junk food is always healthy and never unhealthy. (barring injury, weak tendons, diabetic reqiurements, natch).

Stop the flames. Metalgod, I appreciate that you seem to agree wtih me, but you're verging on genuine cruelty.

 

[Mastertank1]

I used to think the way you do now.

kis123...so lemme get this straight. you lost 50lbs in a year, with diet and exercise, and youre unsatisfied with that? and excuse me, but did you say it doesnt work? cause thats proof it does. im sorry that the cramping from your exercise makes you uncomfortable. maybe we should get you a person to wipe off the disgusting sweat on workout benches from previous users, since that would be more comfortable for you. listen, for some people its hard, for other people its harder. if youre unhappy with youre life, you have to change the lifestyle, common sense. if you go back to the old lifestyle, the old life will return. again, common sense.

mastertank. bullshit. everything needs to be observed from the most basic of all viewpoints. in premodern society people werent lazy fucks. today, we drive instead of walking, our food is modified beyond belief, we take medications with god knows what chemicals and what affects they have, and by no means do we chase our food down and kill it. according to what youre telling me, you say that if your genes say youre gonna be fat, then youre gonna be fat. this is bullshit. energy is required to maintain your fat, and that energy comes from calories (food). are you telling me that if you NEVER (hypothetically)ate, youd never lose any fat? of course not. so the problem lies within how fast your body can break down food, in other words, metabolism. granted, metabolism can be genetically different for each individual. this, however, does not mean that metabolism cannot be significantly altered. in fact, the more you eat, the higher your metabolism, and the leaner (not necessarily skinnier) youll be, IF you eat food in a way such that it cannot possibly be turned into fat. dont forget about your "skinny-fat" counterparts...the ones who seem skinny but in reality have no muscle whatsoever and may be in just as bad of shape as an overweight person. if you wanna whine and bitch about genetics, then go ahead and pity yourself for how you were born. youre missing out on the BEST way to keep yourself in shape. diet, and exercise.

Goddamn lazy americans

I used to tell myself; "I will NOT use the metabolism excuse, I just have to diet and excercise harder."
What finally convinced me was this; I FASTED; nothing but water plus vitamin/mineral tablets, for 30 days under medical supervision in a hospital. During those 30 days, I engaged in a strenuous 90 minute workout every morning and every afternoon,. again under medical supervision. If I had a normal metabolism, I should have lost 45 to 60 pounds. I actually lost 8 and a half pounds in those 30 days! With ZERO calorie intake and daily calorie expenditure far above average. I have a gene complex which does two things that limit or prevent weight loss. First, my body extracts more calories from any given food item than a normal person's does, second, my body expends WAY fewer calories on any physical activity than a normal person's does. It's a throwback to a very long time ago, but I'm hardly unique. That gene complex is present in nearly 10% of the population.
Now, I don't know why you cling so violently to your wrong opinions, but I'm opposing you vehemently because if people listen to you, it may kill them, and you're basically full of shit.
You still haven't mentioned what qualifications make you an 'expert'. I'm betting you have no such qualifications that anyone but you would recognize as valid. You're an expert only in your own mind!
I suspect that you have some ulterior motive for the bullshit you're spewing. Maybe you're promoting some bogus weight loss program, who knows? But, because anyone who listens to you may be seriously harmed, I will not leave your lies unchallenged.

 

[kis123]

kis123...so lemme get this straight. you lost 50lbs in a year, with diet and exercise, and youre unsatisfied with that? and excuse me, but did you say it doesnt work? cause thats proof it does. im sorry that the cramping from your exercise makes you uncomfortable. maybe we should get you a person to wipe off the disgusting sweat on workout benches from previous users, since that would be more comfortable for you. listen, for some people its hard, for other people its harder. if youre unhappy with youre life, you have to change the lifestyle, common sense. if you go back to the old lifestyle, the old life will return. again, common sense.

mastertank. bullshit. everything needs to be observed from the most basic of all viewpoints. in premodern society people werent lazy fucks. today, we drive instead of walking, our food is modified beyond belief, we take medications with god knows what chemicals and what affects they have, and by no means do we chase our food down and kill it. according to what youre telling me, you say that if your genes say youre gonna be fat, then youre gonna be fat. this is bullshit. energy is required to maintain your fat, and that energy comes from calories (food). are you telling me that if you NEVER (hypothetically)ate, youd never lose any fat? of course not. so the problem lies within how fast your body can break down food, in other words, metabolism. granted, metabolism can be genetically different for each individual. this, however, does not mean that metabolism cannot be significantly altered. in fact, the more you eat, the higher your metabolism, and the leaner (not necessarily skinnier) youll be, IF you eat food in a way such that it cannot possibly be turned into fat. dont forget about your "skinny-fat" counterparts...the ones who seem skinny but in reality have no muscle whatsoever and may be in just as bad of shape as an overweight person. if you wanna whine and bitch about genetics, then go ahead and pity yourself for how you were born. youre missing out on the BEST way to keep yourself in shape. diet, and exercise.

Goddamn lazy americans

Are you really calling me lazy??

There are many normal-sized folks that cannot endure my daily regimen. You're still taliking to a group of people who have done it "your way" with very little success. If you knew how much I weighed when I started out and compared it to now, you'd be embarrassed and you'd be wondering why things didn't turn out better. They didn't turn out better because that was my unfortunate destiny. It sucks like crap, but it's the truth I have a crappy metabolism. I've been through decades of weight loss programs-they just don't work for everyone. They work for some but not for all--you'll never convince me otherwise.

I'm glad you found something that works for you. The fact that you think it works for everyone else I find very disturbing. You can call me (and those like me) fat lazy slobs doesn't change the FACT that there are people who have done it your way and have NOT succeeded. What's your critisizm of them?

 

[Avenger314]

I forgot to mention.. Kis, when I said 'taking your post literally,' I was referring to when you said not to judge you until I know you. Since I don't know you, I can't logically agree or disagree iwth your situation.

 

[nowayjose]

A friend of mine (who studied that stuff) says that a realistic, sustainable weight loss is about 1kg (2 pounds) per month and it needs to be a long-term commitment with a substantial change but not drastic (hungry, fasting) measures. Anything radical will have no long-term effect and might be dangerous to your health. So those "xx pounds in n weeks" things are probably just futile, will generate a yo-yo effect, and any radical diet is not helpful at all, will not make the problem go away, and might be very unhealthy on top of it.

 

[kis123]

I forgot to mention.. Kis, when I said 'taking your post literally,' I was referring to when you said not to judge you until I know you. Since I don't know you, I can't logically agree or disagree iwth your situation.

Avenger, you are NOT my problem. I have a problem with folks who don't seem to have a weight problem beating the rest of us down with their little assumptions. I have a huge problem with someone who has NEVER had a weight problem tell me what to do. If they don't know my struggle, they can keep their skinny well-metabolised opinions to themselves. Simply put, they cannot help me

 

[4Pawz]

Okay, I have thought this through before I posted it. This is a cross between a bit of a rant, and just information. This isn't directed at anyone, so please, I don't want anyone to take offense. If anyone does, please feel free to direct it at me in PM, since I don't want to ruin a good discussion. But please, if you are going to throw things at me, at least read the whole post first lol.

I want to say this, don't lose weight because you think that is what society wants you to do. That is the wrong reason to do anything. If you decide to do it, do it because you want to do it, and because you want to be healthy. I know a lot of people say that, but really, you have to be yourself. I know I tend to be an idealist, but I do practice what I preach. And not everyone is going to have one of those tiny bodies, that isn't the point to what I say when I am speaking. The idea is to get to a comfortable place, where you don't hurt, you aren't inhibited by your daily activities, and you are in good health. Weight is only a small part of health, there is so much more to it.

Again, I need to say this, staying at a weight is not a matter of losing the weight and going back to the way you were eating, because you will run into that problem where the weight will come right back. It's a lifestyle and habit change that will allow you to lose the weight and keep it off. Even after you have it off, you need to experiment a bit to see what your body needs for calories compared to how active you are.

Exercise is something that has to be continued, even after the diet. It has to become a part of your lifestyle, but you shouldn't hate to do it. There are so many different types of exercise, most people can find one that they enjoy or can at least not dred. Exercise can be such a stress reliever as well. Nothing I enjoy more than really hitting the weights, beating the hell out of my punching bag, or going for a good hike when I am frustrated or stressed.

It's true, everyone's body is different, and it is so important to understand that. For example, I am built like a tiny brick wall. I have large bones, and I put on muscle very quickly and easily. BUT, I put on weight just as easily, so I do monitor my weight, and increase or decrease my eating and exercise as necessary. There are those like my little brother. He's tall, has itty bitty bones, and is as skinny as a rail. He has a very high metabolism and I am always seeing him eating, and in huge amounts. I used to hate him because of it. He doesn't gain weight, ever. BUT, he can't put on any muscle if they glued them on him. Some people hold their weight in different areas than others. Some have huge tops and skinny legs, while others have tiny tops and huge legs (I am in this category). Some carry it all over their body, some carry it all in their caboose, and some carry it all in their gut.

There are some common mistakes made, in my opnion, when people attempt to lose weight.

1-Not doing any research before trying to lose weight. Weight loss is not something to take lightly. It is serious and a person can really hurt themselves if they don't know what they are doing. If you are going to go on a "diet" I prefer the term program, you need to do lots of reading and research. A trip to the doctor to discuss it is just as important. There is a need to rule out any kind of conditions that could make weight loss dangerous.

2-learn about nutrition. There are so many "diets" out there, and to be honest, most of them are crap, because it is only a short term plan. Sorry, there is no way to stay away from a certain type of food forever. Moderation is an important part of it, some can do it, some have a very hard time with temptation. One needs to know how many calories they generally burn in a day to determine how much they should be eating. Now there is no need to sit and be nitpicky over it, but having a general idea of how much one eats in a day can be eye opening. When a lot of people diet, they end up depriving themselves of vital nutrients. A multivitamin is a must. Make sure lots of fruits and veggies are on the menu, but don't forget about protein, as that is important too. Again, this is something to discuss with a doctor, and possibly a nutritionist. And please, please don't starve yourself. It will drop your metabolism, you will gain the weight back, and your body will start storing more bodyfat in preparation for another starvation period.

3-learn about exercise. There are so many different types. Your exercise will be different depending upon the kind of results you want. Again, this is something to discuss with a doctor. Make sure it is safe for you to begin a program. Ease into exercise, this isn't something to dive into. You will just end up getting hurt and then you're kinda screwed. Your exercise needs to be effective for the results you want. If you are just looking to lose weight, heavy weight lifting is not for you. If you are looking to just tone out, aerobic and light weight lifting is best, etc. Again, this is another reason to do the research.

I'm not just speaking out of my butt here. I spent years learning about exercise and nutrition. For a while, I was very into power lifting and bodybuilding. You can't do either of those without all of these steps. While I never want to be that bulky again, I am thankful, because I do understand my body and nutrition.

I work hard to maintain my body, and it is far from perfect. But I do like it in general and I accept what i can and cannot do to change it. I love to exercise, so lifting, playing sports, etc I enjoy, though I hate running, but i do it because I always feel good afterwards. I do watch what I eat, but I also enjoy my food. If I decide I want to have some french fries, I do it. If I decide I want pizza, I eat it. I just moderate how often and how much I eat of it. If I am not trying to lose weight or gain muscle, I check my weight about twice a week. If I notice I am going up, I adjust accordingly, if I am going down, again, I adjust accordingly. Nothing in life has to be all or nothing.

I know this is long, and seems so overwhelming, but when I said it was a lifestyle, I meant it. Health and change is very involved. Again, it's not to be taken lightly. And it's true, diet and exercise is not an option for everyone. Some people, unfortunately, are at a point where it would be dangerous for them to start an exercise program. That is where I see the surgeries as a reasonable option. But again, unless they adjust their lifestyle, the weight will come right back, guaranteed.

People aren't necessarily in need of a diet or lifestyle change because they are overweight, many people are also underweight. Both of these issues are serious, and not something to make fun of, or to take lightly. Counseling isn't a bad idea when one is going through some of this. And, many people not in their ideal weight (or body fat) range have a problem. Some, like me, love to eat. They enjoy their food, I looooooooooove food. Some do have self-esteem issues, some have stress issues, some have control issues. Some like to sit at home and play video games or watch tv, everyone is different. Also, you will find, almost everyone has something they wish they could change about their body.

With all of this said. If some of you want to learn some more about health and nutrition, the book I named in my last post, is a great book. And please, do take the trip to the doctor, no one wants to see anyone get hurt.

Okay, rant done.

 

[Mastertank1]

Right on, Jose and 4Pawz!

A friend of mine (who studied that stuff) says that a realistic, sustainable weight loss is about 1kg (2 pounds) per month and it needs to be a long-term commitment with a substantial change but not drastic (hungry, fasting) measures. Anything radical will have no long-term effect and might be dangerous to your health. So those "xx pounds in n weeks" things are probably just futile, will generate a yo-yo effect, and any radical diet is not helpful at all, will not make the problem go away, and might be very unhealthy on top of it.

I agree with this 100%, and thank you for injecting a note of reason here!
4Pawz, I didn't want quote a whole post that long, but I also agree with everything you had to say!

Also, just for the record, I in no way mean to imply that there is no value to diet and excercise. I will also state for the record that the number of people who claim that they are genetically unable to lose weight exceeds the number for whom that statement is true.
However, for the ten percent of the population who have the gene complex that interferes with weight loss, the only method that exists AT THIS TIME that will give us the extra help we need to allow our screwed up metabolisms to benefit from a diet and excercise program by actually losing weight is digestive tract reduction surgery. The surgery alone will ALLOW us to lose SOME of the weight all by itself, but none of us will get all the way to goal and stay there without diet and excercise to supplement the results of the surgery.
The bottom line is that for about 10% of the population, diet and excercise alone simply will not work, and anyone who says that they will work for everyone is just plain wrong. That is not opinion. That is proven truth.

 

[kis123]

4pawz, I'm glad you're rant is done. Here is my question: Have you struggled with your weight all of your life?? Have you been considered worthless, stupid, underserving of a decent life just because you're heavy? Have you ever been treated like you don't deserve a place in this life because you're big??

I'm under the impression you don't have that experience. If you don't have it, it's difficult to walk in my shoes. Simply put, if exercise and diet worked for EVERYONE, why are people still struggling? Is it becuse they're lazy slobs that won't get with the program? Or is it because it might not be geared for everybody because nothing works for everyone?

I have my answer based on life experience. You'll obviously have to get it elsewhere because it simply doesn't apply to you

 

[4Pawz]

hhmm, I dunno what to say to you Kis. Well, I don't have anything nice to say at this point, so I won't be saying those things. The point of the thread is those talking about their decision to lose weight, and the measures they plan on taking to do so.

Not at any time, did I mention you, your "problems", or any of your other issues. I don't know you, and if I ever had something to direct at you, I will definitely tell you such, just as I did above. I can say this, I refuse to turn this into another society vs. the "overweight" thread, because that has been overdone, and is now boring. Please keep in mind, being overweight, and made fun of or hurt, while it is not cool, it also isn't the end of the world. There are plenty of people out there who are made fun of because of their glasses, braces, the way they walk, because they may be developmentally disabled, maybe they have learning disabilities, they are short, tall, thin, have scars, birthmarks, or because of their religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. It is directed at so many groups, all are subject to it. And all of it sucks, and I would never, ever do that, because it's cruel and wrong, and you will always see me jump down anyone's throat that I ever see or hear doing it. I will admit that people can be cruel, and it is unavoidable, it shouldn't be, but it is, there are some real horrible people out there. But one has to find some way to deal with it, whether it be just letting it go, counseling, educating people, or confronting their "offender".

I invite you to read my last post again, with the intention in which it was posted, to be a part of the thread about those that feel they are overweight and are trying to change that. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[meangry]

4pawz, I'm glad you're rant is done. Here is my question: Have you struggled with your weight all of your life?? Have you been considered worthless, stupid, underserving of a decent life just because you're heavy? Have you ever been treated like you don't deserve a place in this life because you're big??

I'm under the impression you don't have that experience. If you don't have it, it's difficult to walk in my shoes. Simply put, if exercise and diet worked for EVERYONE, why are people still struggling? Is it becuse they're lazy slobs that won't get with the program? Or is it because it might not be geared for everybody because nothing works for everyone?

I have my answer based on life experience. You'll obviously have to get it elsewhere because it simply doesn't apply to you

You know who here has?

I have.

To this freaking DAY I have.

At first I was all "woah is me...society is wrong about me...people laugh at me because I'm fat...". You know what? Even if that was the case...my personality does not ALLOW ME to take pity upon myself. Know why? Because regardless of my size, it doesn't change the person I am.

I was an all conference lineman in high school for two years. Three years Varsity. I was a lineman/fullback. I was a decent sized guy...but I put on a lot of my weight when my coaches told me to add as much as possible. From there...I got depressed and added more on top of that. Guess what? I've lost weight by watching my eating habits, looking at what I take in, and quiet literally just educating myself on my body. Obviously I have a pretty resilient body...given the fact that I have reverted in kind back to my old eating habits given the multiple moves I have done, but have yet to gain back a sizable amount of weight. I at most gain maybe three or four pounds, then down flux when I work hard at my job. I hover around the 292-295 mark. This is without exercise beyond what I do at work. I just do not eat as much as I used to because I can't. I also try to limit my pop intake, something that hasn't gone well with said move.

So yeah...I AM there, and if I want it I will get my butt in gear and start doing the things I feel I need to do to achieve my goals.

I personally do not understand why I should care about your sacrificing and this and that. Why exactly is that rubbed in the face of the people here? All you are doing is feeding the stereotype of every fat person based solely on your own personal feelings and outward bias.

It's a TOTAL LIFE CHANGE. It's not "I do this, I do that, I follow these guidelines." You might need to get yourself analyzed. Bloodwork...to other things will help people understand your body's genetic system, giving you a better idea as to WHAT you need to do to maximize your weight loss goals. Eating barely anything...doing nothing but exercise...that's not how it is done. Hell...to an extent, portion size doesn't even matter. What matters is snacking, sugars, carbs...whatever. It isn't you have to eat salad rather then a porterhouse. It's INTELLIGENT eating. There are supplements, meal replacements...there's any number of options that will work for you.

You are being overtly sensitive. Absolutely nobody can tell you any different, or even go against your line of thinking. There are too many viables in a give a 100% valid scientific fountain of youth answer. How about conceding the fact that...for some people...things work and for others it does not?

They don't need to walk in your shoes to know you plight. To me...you're response is inherently arrogant, closeminded, and ignorant.

I'm done replying to people who can never concede a damn thing...who are iron headed for no damn reason and enjoy getting in pissing contests.

 

[metalgod]

k first of all, gunning down a 6 year old with a limp my ass. i know more about the topic. sorry i dont need to brag about credentials and who ive trained under.

kis123...you say youre gonna get pissed at someone whos never had a weight problem telling you what to do and such and how things are. ok so, why do depressed people go to psychologists that have never been depressed? why do alcoholics get bitched at by sober friends and family members? after all, certain people are genetically predisposed to addictions, including alcoholism, right? id be hard pressed to find a distinction. if you and mastertank would like to be naive to the fact that if done 'properly,' you can lose all the weight you need. the trainer at your local gym wont know shit. ill even point you in the right direction to a good information source, if youre nice.

and cruel? excuse me, i think i had my words defensively twisted into "fat slob" which i never said. everybody has problems, and i know i got mine. accept it, deal with it. i dont bitch about my genetic shortcomings, personality shortcomings, or what unfortunate circumstances ive dealt with. i called you lazy because youve essentially given up. kick its ass. if youre unhappy with it, you fix it. when you close your mind to options, well, i cant help you with that

 

[kis123]

hhmm, I dunno what to say to you Kis. Well, I don't have anything nice to say at this point, so I won't be saying those things. The point of the thread is those talking about their decision to lose weight, and the measures they plan on taking to do so.

Not at any time, did I mention you, your "problems", or any of your other issues. I don't know you, and if I ever had something to direct at you, I will definitely tell you such, just as I did above. I can say this, I refuse to turn this into another society vs. the "overweight" thread, because that has been overdone, and is now boring. Please keep in mind, being overweight, and made fun of or hurt, while it is not cool, it also isn't the end of the world. There are plenty of people out there who are made fun of because of their glasses, braces, the way they walk, because they may be developmentally disabled, maybe they have learning disabilities, they are short, tall, thin, have scars, birthmarks, or because of their religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. It is directed at so many groups, all are subject to it. And all of it sucks, and I would never, ever do that, because it's cruel and wrong, and you will always see me jump down anyone's throat that I ever see or hear doing it. I will admit that people can be cruel, and it is unavoidable, it shouldn't be, but it is, there are some real horrible people out there. But one has to find some way to deal with it, whether it be just letting it go, counseling, educating people, or confronting their "offender".

I invite you to read my last post again, with the intention in which it was posted, to be a part of the thread about those that feel they are overweight and are trying to change that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I NEVER said that you pointed your post directly at me. I just grow weary of people who've never had my problems telling me that diet and exercise will fix everythingl. Based on decades of failure after failure, it simply hasn't worked for me.

I hope there's someone out there your post will benefit-I'll just wait to be done with school and have the surgery. Maybe then I'll finally be free of this. And I know about having to still exercise but I don't have to figure out which diet combination will actually work.

And these doctor-based diets are no better than the infomercials on tv. My sisters were on several of them. You can't stay on them forever and as soon as they came off the diet, they packed on the pounds. Certain people can say that genetics and metabolism don't come into play. Yes they do!

 

[kis123]

kis123...you say youre gonna get pissed at someone whos never had a weight problem telling you what to do and such and how things are. ok so, why do depressed people go to psychologists that have never been depressed? why do alcoholics get bitched at by sober friends and family members? after all, certain people are genetically predisposed to addictions, including alcoholism, right? id be hard pressed to find a distinction. if you and mastertank would like to be naive to the fact that if done 'properly,' you can lose all the weight you need. the trainer at your local gym wont know shit. ill even point you in the right direction to a good information source, if youre nice.

and cruel? excuse me, i think i had my words defensively twisted into "fat slob" which i never said. everybody has problems, and i know i got mine. accept it, deal with it. i dont bitch about my genetic shortcomings, personality shortcomings, or what unfortunate circumstances ive dealt with. i called you lazy because youve essentially given up. kick its ass. if youre unhappy with it, you fix it. when you close your mind to options, well, i cant help you with that

You had no business calling me lazy at all!

Besides, I don't invest my money or time with "professionals" who don't know my issues besides a textbook. They'll steal your money, waste your time, and break your heart with another failure. And whoever told you I gave up?? Did I say I gave up? No, I did not! If I actually given up on myself, would I still be posting to this thread? No, I'd have my face in a box of donuts crying myself to sleep. Instead, I go into public everyday knowing what's being whispered as I walk by. I go to work every day and I go to school. Would I be spending 20,000 on improving my education if I've given up? I don't think so. Sounds like another assumption from here.

Congratulations, you know all you need about health and nutrition and it works for you. Wonderful! It doesn't work for everyone and if it did we wouldn't so many failures.

I'm not very proud of gaining so much weight over the years but at least I get up and try again and again practically knowing I'll be back in the same place. But don't get it twisted, I'm proud of myself and my other accomplishments. Just a few years ago, I barely went out at all, sat on my couch 24 hours a day not caring much about my life, children, or future. I've come a long way but unfortunately this weight came along with me.

 

[kis123]

Wow I didn't know it was "beat up on kis" day.

You know who here has?

I have.

To this freaking DAY I have.

At first I was all "woah is me...society is wrong about me...people laugh at me because I'm fat...". You know what? Even if that was the case...my personality does not ALLOW ME to take pity upon myself. Know why? Because regardless of my size, it doesn't change the person I am.

I was an all conference lineman in high school for two years. Three years Varsity. I was a lineman/fullback. I was a decent sized guy...but I put on a lot of my weight when my coaches told me to add as much as possible. From there...I got depressed and added more on top of that. Guess what? I've lost weight by watching my eating habits, looking at what I take in, and quiet literally just educating myself on my body. Obviously I have a pretty resilient body...given the fact that I have reverted in kind back to my old eating habits given the multiple moves I have done, but have yet to gain back a sizable amount of weight. I at most gain maybe three or four pounds, then down flux when I work hard at my job. I hover around the 292-295 mark. This is without exercise beyond what I do at work. I just do not eat as much as I used to because I can't. I also try to limit my pop intake, something that hasn't gone well with said move.

So yeah...I AM there, and if I want it I will get my butt in gear and start doing the things I feel I need to do to achieve my goals.

I personally do not understand why I should care about your sacrificing and this and that. Why exactly is that rubbed in the face of the people here? All you are doing is feeding the stereotype of every fat person based solely on your own personal feelings and outward bias.

It's a TOTAL LIFE CHANGE. It's not "I do this, I do that, I follow these guidelines." You might need to get yourself analyzed. Bloodwork...to other things will help people understand your body's genetic system, giving you a better idea as to WHAT you need to do to maximize your weight loss goals. Eating barely anything...doing nothing but exercise...that's not how it is done. Hell...to an extent, portion size doesn't even matter. What matters is snacking, sugars, carbs...whatever. It isn't you have to eat salad rather then a porterhouse. It's INTELLIGENT eating. There are supplements, meal replacements...there's any number of options that will work for you.

You are being overtly sensitive. Absolutely nobody can tell you any different, or even go against your line of thinking. There are too many viables in a give a 100% valid scientific fountain of youth answer. How about conceding the fact that...for some people...things work and for others it does not?

They don't need to walk in your shoes to know you plight. To me...you're response is inherently arrogant, closeminded, and ignorant.

I'm done replying to people who can never concede a damn thing...who are iron headed for no damn reason and enjoy getting in pissing contests.

If you don't like what I have to say for MYSELF (because I don't speak for anyone else) thare are THOUSANDS of threads you can post to. Plus I heard the "ignore" function is very effective.

If you're tired of responding to "ironheads" like me, simply don't. The world will continue to turn, I promise you. I'm merely responding in disagreement to others who previously posted. You just jump in here thinking you're going to tell me off. Well consider me told off I guess. Does that make you feel better now??

As to the rest of your ranting, I really don't much care for wasting any more of my precious time commenting on it. It simply isn't worth the effort.

Great screenname btw.

 

[Mastertank1]

Congrats! I didn't think it was possible!

k first of all, gunning down a 6 year old with a limp my ass. i know more about the topic. sorry i dont need to brag about credentials and who ive trained under.

You're even lamer than I thought you were! A statement like the above obviously means that you have no credentials than anyone but you would consider valid! With your attitude, if you actually trained with anyone, they're probably glad not to be mentioned!

kis123...you say youre gonna get pissed at someone whos never had a weight problem telling you what to do and such and how things are. ok so, why do depressed people go to psychologists that have never been depressed?

True fact; over 90% of mental health professionals have themselves suffered from depression and worked through it with the help of other mental health professionals. Do you have even a nodding acquaintance with reality?

why do alcoholics get bitched at by sober friends and family members? after all, certain people are genetically predisposed to addictions, including alcoholism, right?

Just offhand, it may be because alcoholics steal from their family members and friends, wreck furniture, get into car crashes, embarrass them in public and lose their own jobs so they have to beg them for money, among other things that do not happen with the overweight. I think your reality check just bounced; account closed.

id be hard pressed to find a distinction. if you and mastertank would like to be naive to the fact that if done 'properly,' you can lose all the weight you need. the trainer at your local gym wont know shit. ill even point you in the right direction to a good information source, if youre nice.

I'm sure YOU would be hard pressed to find a distinction. Between any two items you care to name, like say a pebble and a battleship. As a British friend of mine once said to someone else, you couldn't find your own arse with an electric torch and the aid of a troop of scouts!
Before my surgery, a 30 day FAST plus strenuous excercise did NOT work for me. After my surgery, a normal diet and normal excercise took 388 pounds off for me. You, of course, just ignore facts that fail to fit your preconceptions.
So, according to you, Medical professionals don't know shit, and professional personal trainers don't know shit. So, other than your all knowing self, who does? Anyone? Just because they don't know you, that doesn't mean they don't know shit. It just means they know OTHER shit.
You wouldn't recognize a good information source if it walked up and spat in your eye, which it probably would.
As for being nice? To YOU? Sorry, I save that for people with enough cognitive ability to recognize the difference.

and cruel? excuse me, i think i had my words defensively twisted into "fat slob" which i never said. everybody has problems, and i know i got mine. accept it, deal with it. i dont bitch about my genetic shortcomings, personality shortcomings, or what unfortunate circumstances ive dealt with. i called you lazy because youve essentially given up. kick its ass. if youre unhappy with it, you fix it. when you close your mind to options, well, i cant help you with that

You are so wrong about Kis on so many levels it's not worth taking the twenty or so pages to go into all the details. But that's hardly surprising, considering the source.
Good, don't bitch about your genetic shortcomings, just acknowledge them and do the rest of the human species a favor by getting an irreversible vasectomy.

 

[metalgod]

kis123...i didnt call you lazy in life, i called you lazy on diet and exercise. you lost 50 lbs in a year. then you stopped. thats your fault. you sat and did nothing for a few years...making the metabolism worse than it already was...also your fault. mastertank. you had bad luck fasting for 30 days while excercising intensely. well no shit. you need clean calories to build muscle. building muscle increases metabolism. more metabolism = less fat. if you were eating shit, and working out intensely, you probly lost as much muscle as you did fat, if not more so. clearly, neither one of you understands the concept. the only thing ive repeated over and over again is that if done PROPERLY, you will lose all the weight you need with diet and exercise. no masterank, the trainer at your local gym isnt professional. certification is easy. and by the way, i trained 5 years with former mr. universe and winner of 1993 musclemania jeff primm. so no, its not somebody that i consider the best, its someone that everyone considers the best. suck it. textbooks my ass. and now im done with this thread. go have the last word

 

[Mastertank1]

Let me get this straight....

kis123...i didnt call you lazy in life, i called you lazy on diet and exercise. you lost 50 lbs in a year. then you stopped. thats your fault. you sat and did nothing for a few years...making the metabolism worse than it already was...also your fault. mastertank. you had bad luck fasting for 30 days while excercising intensely. well no shit. you need clean calories to build muscle. building muscle increases metabolism. more metabolism = less fat. if you were eating shit, and working out intensely, you probly lost as much muscle as you did fat, if not more so. clearly, neither one of you understands the concept. the only thing ive repeated over and over again is that if done PROPERLY, you will lose all the weight you need with diet and exercise. no masterank, the trainer at your local gym isnt professional. certification is easy. and by the way, i trained 5 years with former mr. universe and winner of 1993 musclemania jeff primm. so no, its not somebody that i consider the best, its someone that everyone considers the best. suck it. textbooks my ass. and now im done with this thread. go have the last word

You consider your expertise superior to that of medical doctors and licensed professional trainers, because you studied under a PROFESSIONAL BODY BUILDER? One of these guys who sacrifice their own long term health and longevity to win contests that judge only appearance?
Ha. Haha. Ahhhh,hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Man, you just proved everything I asserted about you in my last post!
The winner of Musclemania? Nor Mr. America, or Mr. World, or Mr. Universe, or something the world outside your insular little low I. Q. community of musclebound grotesques might at least recognize as meaningful. Thanks, man. I needed that laugh. Ah, me.
Being visually ripped has NOTHING to do with health and real fitness, as anyone with any brain cells that work knows! Geeze, most of those guys have intellects as small as their body fat percentages!
I'm laughing my ass off here!

 

[kis123]

This thread has turned into one huge mess!

I've been a forum member for three years and I'm about to do something I've only felt the need to do once before. I am the type of individual who stands by my words 1000%. I rarely feel wrong in taking that stance-people should stand up for what they believe in regardless of what the masses think. Unfortunately, it didn't have it's place here.

My first apology is to Avenger314-you were trying to celebrate a decision to improve the quality of your life. I should've celebrated with you and left the rest alone. Instead I pretty much hijacked your thread and for that I am truly sorry. I wish you well in your pursuit for a healthier you.

4pawz-someone I consider a friend told me to read your post again. I misread, and for that I apologize.

There are a couple of you who think deserve an apology. I have every to defend myself once the name-calling, accusations, and all-out mud-slinging happen. So no, I'm not the least bit sorry about that and will do it again if you do it to me. In the future you should be careful who you insult-they might just insult back.

Please understand that I'm approaching that stage of life where things just come out of nowhere-before I can catch myself with a slap of common sense the gremlins just take over. I have a lot of stressful issues and things going on right now, but those are my problems and I'm just going to have to learn to cope and not bring them here. The TMF is about a community and has been mostly a lot of fun around here. Some issues will spark a stronger emotional chord than others and this is one of my two strongest.

I still believe that exercise and diet ALONE is not a solution for those society considers "morbidly obese." I still think us large folks get discriminated against, after all obesity is America's last guilty indulgence that they can get away with. Federal law protects the other categories. I am not the only person who feels this way either. But I should've posted a separate thread, not run this one into the ground.

This is kis eating her breakfast of crow along with that slice of humble pie for dessert.............

 

[Avenger314]

Figured I may as well take the post full circle.

I've been surprisingly true to my word. I've been hitting the gym every day for the past few weeks. TR are the nautilis machines (muscle-building), and MWF are for 30 minutes of cardio. I've recently added crunches to as many of those days as I can stand.

The results seem to be working, I can see myself being thinner and better defined. The potbelly is fighting to stay, but I'm grimly forcing it out.

Thanks all for making this an interesting topic.

Incidentally, the gym isn't so bad once you get into your routine. If you can get yourself through the first week and into the second, the pain is less. And, by week 3, you'll be able to notice results.

 

[JadeUk]

Well I've tried every diet under the sun, tried smoking to control my appetite, and even given bullemia a go but nothings changed i'm fat, i'm not happy about it but i accept it, and I pig out!

My pics are up on here somewhere, have a look those are the pics of Haribo's greatest victim!

 

[Mimi]

Well I've tried every diet under the sun, tried smoking to control my appetite, and even given bullemia a go but nothings changed i'm fat, i'm not happy about it but i accept it, and I pig out!

My pics are up on here somewhere, have a look those are the pics of Haribo's greatest victim!

Sweetie, you are FAR from fat! You're about as big around as one of my toes! LMAO!

But I love your attitude just the same! 😀

Mimi 😉

 

[Mitchell]

As I see this thread has gotten a bit testy, I am going to post my own experiences with weight loss here, while trying to avoid the debate that seems to have spun here.
As most on here who know me are aware, in March, 2005, after a doctor visit, I was 197 pounds, and had very high blood pressure. The doctor immediately placed me on a low carb diet, and told me to cut out regular soda, and limit fried foods, and such. Within four months, I was able to lose 28 pounds, and over one year later, while continuing to maintain my low carb diet, I am still in the weight range of a healthy person, having gained back but a few pounds, with my doctor's okay, because I had gotten too thin.
I know there are many who try different diets and exercise programs that dont work. Might I suggest trying a low carb diet. Cut out all regular soda, regular sugar in things like ice tea, hot tea, and coffee, and switch to things like spendla, sweet and low, or equal. Such a diet was a godsend to me, and, according to my doctor, works like a charm. I hope this advice will be of help to others who want to lose weight, and are having some difficulty, because it has truly helped me. Good Luck.

Mitch

 

[Krokus]

Goddamn lazy americans

That about sums it all up. The fact that this nation has an "obesity epidemic" is pretty shameful if you ask me. I can see it all now... Grandfathers telling children... "It was HORRIBLE! There was food EVERYWHERE!!"

I don't have anything against obese people, I'm just saying.

 

[BellaRisa]

I don't think Americans are lazy. In fact I know we're not.

Quite frankly, the overweight and obese people in my life are also some of the hardest working folks you'll ever meet in this world. They get up in the morning and get their children ready for school, care for their pets and their household, work insane hours on anywhere from one to three jobs, come home and care for the kids and household again, and still find the energy to be a great spouse. The problem isn't laziness. Usually it's just a lack of proper nutrition and nutritional education (hell there's so much high fructose corn syrup in damn near everything it's ridiculous), and enough of the kind of proper exercise that creates weightloss and fitness. (By "proper" I mean whatever their individual bodies need, which is different for different people). My husband, for instance, is getting started on losing the extra 30 lbs he's gained since switching from a 60 hour per week *very* physical job (QC supervisor at a huge beverage plant) to a desk job (something important with a computer for CheckFree, do not ask me what exactly the man does ). Without changing his rather healthy diet or the rest of his life, he quietly gained a few lbs here and there over the last year and a half because his main physical activity changed. And that's what happened to most people dealing with weight that I know, myself included on occasion. And fixing it once you discover it can be a nightmare in an already overflowing schedule. You're exhausted from your regular routine, and making time to prepare healthier foods and get your growing rear to the gym or out for a fat-burning walk when all you want to do is collapse and you *still* have to do housework and 5th grade math and get little people to soccer and ballet and glee club seems impossible . I'm a wife and a mama and I run two businesses, trust me on this; it can be very, very discouraging finding the time and hutzpah to work on YOU, until you finally decide to bite the bullet and somehow eek out the time go that extra mile, literally. For my husband it means getting up an hour and a half earlier so he can get to the gym and still be back home to take our 3rd grader to school. For me it's doing the same as him on alternate mornings, plus bellydance classes and getting 'serious' about my weight training like I was in college-and doing it at times when I'd rather be with him on the sofa watching the Venture Brothers. But we do what we can. Like the other nonlazy Americans.

I do think that people are focusing on the wrong things, and doing a little less/changing our priorities so that we have time to care for ourselves has to happen to fix this 'epidemic'. But it's about how we're thinking, not laziness.

Bella