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Simply copying a CD to your computer is now illegal....

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NOW do you think the Recording Industry is getting too aggressive and
lawsuit happy?

Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use

By Marc Fisher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 30, 2007; Page M05


Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.


Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.
 
After a century of shitting on musicians, the recording industry now slings its fecal matter at consumers. Nice. :sowrong:
 
So basically, if they find MP3s on your computer, they've got the right to sue you, unless you can prove that you got them all legally. I think the RIAA is going a bit too far now.
 
Bear with me here.

Downloading a commercial, copyrighted song for free off of a website is stealing, unless the holder of the copyright gives their permission. Period.

Reproducing a copyrighted work and distributing it, even if it's just one copy, is stealing, unless the holder of the copyright gives their permission. Period.

I'm always amazed at how some people insist that doing these things is not stealing, or that the stealing is somehow justified.

I'm amused by the fuzzy-eyed "Dude, the teuunes should be free ..."

I'm worried that so many people feel so entitled to other people's property, and the justifications that boil down to "it's OK to steal from corporations" only obfuscates the issue.

That said - suing for making copies of copyrighted material, in whole or in part, for the personal and exclusive use of the owner is simply a legal non-starter.

First, there's a long history of doing this. I'll talk only about musical recordings for the moment. Starting in the 1950s, hi-fi enthusiasts routinely bought records and immediately transferred them to reel-to-reel tape. This was because every time a vinyl record is played, it is slightly degraded. This process preserves the precious vinyl recording for the collector audiophile. In the 1970s, people transferred records to cassette tape, primarily so that the recording could be played on their car stereo. The record industry knew this, and never raised in the issue in over 50 years.

Now there are compact disks, and they are more portable than vinyl, of course. But you cannot play your CD on an iPod. Again, there's a transfer required to enjoy your music.

What's going on here is that the record companies did not anticipate that hard-copy CD sales would plummet so quickly after the launch of iTunes, and they are desperate to force sales up. They are attempting to do this through scare tactics, but I doubt it'll work. The record companies argue

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.
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in an attempt to claim that while it's technically illegal to reproduce a CD for personal use, they'll be cool about it unless they think you're going to share.

I think they don't have a leg to stand on, and I'll make this legal prediction. Personal use of a copyrighted work is ultimately going to fall under the privacy penumbra established by the USSC. It's that simple. It may cost some poor slob a billion dollars to defend himself all the way to the Supreme Court, but that's going to be the outcome.
 
In this age of the iPod and download sites, the situation is just getting worse and worse. CD sales aren't making money, so record labels make less money, and artists make even less. If they're doing something THIS ridiculous (they already bought the CD for crying out loud) shows how desperate they are.

These may well be the waning days of physical media. Look for DVD's and Blue Rays to go under.

I love downloading stuff off of iTunes, and this trend is irreversible. I just hope it doesn't really hurt the economy...
 
I find it amazing that they bitch about ripping cds, yet for what, 20-30 years how, tape trading has gone on and people recorded songs off the radio for free?

Christ, tape trading is what helped build some of these bands(see: metallica)
 
I find it amazing that they bitch about ripping cds, yet for what, 20-30 years how, tape trading has gone on and people recorded songs off the radio for free?

Christ, tape trading is what helped build some of these bands(see: metallica)
It's different now, because it's possible to make a copy that is virtually the same quality as the original. With tape trading, people heard bands, and if they liked them enough, they went out and bought their records. But now, if you give someone a digital copy of a CD, there's almost no reason to then go out and buy the CD. It's the quality of the duplicates that makes the difference.

Also, there are many other artists besides mega rock bands. While Metallica might have been helped by music sharing, many other artists are being hurt by it.
 
It's different now, because it's possible to make a copy that is virtually the same quality as the original. With tape trading, people heard bands, and if they liked them enough, they went out and bought their records. But now, if you give someone a digital copy of a CD, there's almost no reason to then go out and buy the CD. It's the quality of the duplicates that makes the difference.

Also, there are many other artists besides mega rock bands. While Metallica might have been helped by music sharing, many other artists are being hurt by it.

Not really

Thanks to the net it introduced me to a plethora of bands and genres i would have never heard of(mostly overseas) through conventional means

Now me hearing said new music, it makes me either seek out, buy music or download more. That leads me to buying merchandise because of my fondness of the band. That leads to me buying concert tix to see the band live.

And many artists are being hurt by this crackdown because some need the net to send their stuff out there\get noticed. Many artists are ok with the sharing but they arent heard
 
Of course it's a good idea to advertise yourself by making samples of your music available. That is a very good way to build a following. And as long as the artist and their record companies are controlling what and how much is available for free, that's great. But when someone else decides for them, that's copyright infringement.

Look at it in the simplest of terms. If I write a song and I sign a contract with a record company to record and commercially release my song, my record company and I are the ones who decide if a sample will be made available, etc. If someone else posts my song to the internet and people download it for free, that's stealing from me. They might justify it by claiming that I'm better off for it, but it isn't their call to make. It's mine. It's my song.

There are lots of justifications people use for getting free music, but they are all beside the point. Copyright infringement is a crime.
 
Of course it's a good idea to advertise yourself by making samples of your music available. That is a very good way to build a following. And as long as the artist and their record companies are controlling what and how much is available for free, that's great. But when someone else decides for them, that's copyright infringement.

Look at it in the simplest of terms. If I write a song and I sign a contract with a record company to record and commercially release my song, my record company and I are the ones who decide if a sample will be made available, etc. If someone else posts my song to the internet and people download it for free, that's stealing from me. They might justify it by claiming that I'm better off for it, but it isn't their call to make. It's mine. It's my song.

There are lots of justifications people use for getting free music, but they are all beside the point. Copyright infringement is a crime.
Not saying its not

But as i said, where is the crackdown on people with dvr's or tivo recording HD recordings of shows or people who record off satellites radio or in the day recording off the radiowaves

If you want to discuss it as a quality issue, im sure the record industry would still pitch a shit if all the recordings were copied in mono
 
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