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Situation That Is Really Ticking Me Off-Feedback Appreciated

Mitchell

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I wasnt originally going to post about this, but, as it is making me angrier by the day, I figured, what the heck, post it, and ask for the advice of friends.
As many who know me are aware, I haven't driven for a while. The reasons of which I am not going to get into. Suffice to say that I didnt lose my license for DWI. It was just expired, and documents issues, and I am in the process of trying to get it back.
This having been said, as most know, I work with my mom in selling antiques and art. We have this guy that drives us for chores, food shopping, i.e, and such, who is a real pill. I've posted about him before. Here is what he did.
For the last seven years, he has taken vacations without discussing it with us. In the past, his vacations were taken at off peak times, so we never made an issue out of it.
Usually, Christmas week, we have family visit from out of town, also, we like to head down to King of Prussia mall near Philly, for holiday shopping.
Last year, out of nowhere, and, again, without clearing it with us, the guy announced to us that he was taking a vacation on Christmas week, telling us that he "talked to his brother", who can sometimes help us with local driving, about his vacation. Again, never once, did he discuss the vacation with my mom and me, the people who pay him.
After he came back from Christmas vacation last year, we expressed our displeasure at his taking a vacation all of Christmas week, without discussing it with us, and leaving us hampered. We were very clear in our feelings.
So, now what happens? Several days ago, he came to us again, telling us that he had discussed it with his brother again, and would be taking off again this year from December 25 to January 1, again without discussing it with us, and knowing how we were angry about it last year. It is like he almost did it to be spiteful.
We have provided him with reasonable working conditions. He gets other vacation time, and I certainly would never expect him to work on holidays such as Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, or other religious or national holidays. My problem is that not only did he not discuss his vacation with us, but that he is taking off all of Christmas week, after we specifically asked him not to, because he would be needed.
Everyone I have spoken to about this off the forum is outraged by his behavior, and told me that if they had done this with their job, that they would be fired, for announcing vacations, without clearing it with their boss. While it's true that I usually take time off during Christmas week, because sales, or customers, can be slow, I need him for other things, and his attitude just offends me.
What do people think? Am I wrong? One close friend told me that because he is not a full time worker, and works on a per day basis, that he is not obligated to discuss vacation with me, because he is not bound, while another told me that a job is a job, and if he does this, he should be fired. I know that I have had both part and full time jobs in my life, and I NEVER took any time off without first asking my boss, even when my boss was my own father, I was 16, and I wanted to accompany my mom on a visit to Florida to see both her parents and my father's mother. In fact, my father called his mother, who was expecting me, and told her:" Mitch cant come to see you until he discusses it with me first. I'm his dad, but also his boss, and I want to teach him the right way." Sure enough, we had a family discussion, and came up with a convinent time that my dad didnt need me to help him. The point was, he was my dad, and I still had to clear it with him, because he was also my boss.
This guy's attitude just incenses me to no end. Am I right? What do people think? Any advice or opinions will be appreciated. Thank You.

Mitch
 
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I'd be reading him the riot act. Giviing him a bit of flexibility is one thing. His assuming that he can do what he wants when he wants is unrealistic and unprofessional. I'd follow his example. Look for someone to replace him. Make things clear up front about what your expectations and his rights will be. Then give this other clown his notice. Even if he bitches about being canned leading into the holidays, you've given him more than he's given you when it comes to notice.
 
Thanks, Ann. What you said helped. Part of the problem is my mom. I want to pack his ass in now, but she seems convinced that we will not find anyone else reliable to replace him. I cant get her to change her position, so, what I am trying to do, is to deal with the license, and pass the test, so that come December, we will give him a permanent vacation. Basically, he deserves to be fired just before the vacation. I normally dont like to do such a thing around the holidays, but with his repeat behavior, he has been asking for it.

Thanks again,
Mitch
 
You're mom's right - you won't find someone as reliable, you'll find someone MORE reliable then him. Fire his butt. And tell him Jami said he's a moron.
 
Thanks, Jami, lol! The ironic thing is, and I know this is rude, but I have referred to him as "The moron". Not to his face, but to others. In addition to the vacations, he is a rotten, miserable human being. He has made fun of me for being thirty six and not married, and has also told me that a girl I've liked for a while is "probably cheating on me, and interested in someone else". He is about one of the most awful people I've ever met. This situation with the vacation is the tip of the iceberg, but the guy has a list of offensive behavior, a mile long.
Thanks for the support.

Mitch
 
Mitch my friend, its sounds like he is calling your bluff. In my oponion it may be time to find a new driver. Good luck.
 
Personally, I'd give him one more warning, then any more abuse/vacations and out. I don't know many bosses who'd tolerate this amount of crap.
 
Bill, I agree, and wish I could, but, as I said, until I deal with the license, my mom refuses to fire him, because he's reliable.
Bob, thanks for the feedback, bud. The irony is, as I said in my post, we did discuss this with him last year, which was essentially a warning, and he doesnt care. His reply was that his wife, who works in an office in town, takes vacations whenever she wants, and isnt accountable to anyone. Weird thing is, she's been at her job for decades, and I'm surprised she hasn't been canned for that.
My viewpoint: I think I am going to push to make sure I have the license, and car, by the holidays, and hopefully get rid of him then. When I fire him, I am going to tell him that his big mouth, and attitude about his time off, were the reasons for his firing.
Thanks again for the replies, and feedback, it is appreciated.

Mitch
 
(What they said 🙂

Mitch,

You are seriously too kind a gentleman, regardless of the situation
(if that's possible...though I guess it is under circumstances such as these....) :ermm:

and as Ann & others said, you've given him FAR more consideration than he's ever given you --
This really is outrageous, and as TL noted, the chances of finding anyone worse would be
(almost nill unless you actively seek to employ violent repeat offenders on parole...)

Just for the verbal offenses, you can't ditch this turkey quickly enough... :disgust:
No one needs to work with idiots of that caliber.... much less have them work for you....
Hope to hear all is well & better (& turkey-free) very soon!!
:bump:
 
Fire the jerk with out delay Mitch.You and your mother don't need to put up with that kind of crap.He does it because he got away with it once and will do it again as you see.Let him try that with some other boss and see where it gets him.
 
Thanks, guys. You are all great friends.
Bug, just so you know, and I hope Babbles wont mind me saying this. Babbles knows some about the situation, because we are friends, and email each other off forum. I've reported to her about him for a couple of years now, but this latest offense takes the cake.
Babbles, as always, your support is appreciated, my good friend.
I am almost embarrassed to admit this, but, my disdain for this guy is so, that when I refer to him to others, I often use very degrading names for him. First, his name is Ray, and I swear, he talks like the Dustin Hoffman character in the movie Rain Man, with the way he says "Yeah", so, some years back, I began referring to him as Rain Man, to friends and family. I have additional names for him, including the Putz, and the Moron, among others. I wish I didnt have to feel this way, but his evil wishes for me, and his attitude, just have caused me to refer to him as degrading names.
Right now, I am headed to the DMV on Halloween. My sincere hope is that by December, he wont have a job with me. He has succeeded in infuriating my mom, who is about the most patient person on the planet. Once that happens, his days in employment for me, are numbered, I hope.

Mitch
 
If this has been going on that long Mitch you are a nicer guy then i am.I would have told him once and after that his ass would be out the door.I hope you get rid of this loser asap.
 
Trust me, bug, I plan to. If I have my way, his Xmas gift from me will be the loss of his job, after the way he f'cked me over. I hope to accomplish it very soon.

Mitch
 
Jami, I'm not sure what you mean by tear him a new one, but I'd be more than happy to hear, so please tell me.

Thanks,
Mitch
 
Halloween can never come soon enough...

Mitchell said:
Thanks, guys. You are all great friends.
Bug, just so you know, and I hope Babbles wont mind me saying this. Babbles knows some about the situation, because we are friends, and email each other off forum. I've reported to her about him for a couple of years now, but this latest offense takes the cake....
You're very welcome, Mitch, thanks and no worries! :xpulcy: Hope this is an ESPECIALLY Happy Halloween for you!! :bump:
TklDuo-Ann said:
ROFL! Leave it to a librarian to have such a way with words!
Thanks much Ann!! That explains where *you got it from!! :dogpile:
 
OK I'll be the hard-ass here. I know nothing about this guy but I bet you're paying him 45 cents an hour over minimum wage. He probably doesn't really care whether you fire him or not, as another minimum wage job can be found in 48 hours or less.
Is there a reason why he really needs to keep this job, such as being marginally unemployable ?

I'm suffering a data shortage here 😀
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Mitchell. like quite a few of the others who have chimed in here,I agree that you should fire this guy..In my opinion, if the guy would have asked for vacation on specific dates and waited for your and your mom;s permission,authorization to take vacation over the Holidays having *respect* for your operation would have been considerate,responsible as a employee of yours.. But to come to you and state that he is taking vacation when he wants leaving you to find replacement with not much notice is Taking advantage of the situation as you surely have plans of your own for the Holidays I'm sure too ..
 
Yes, it is, hotel, and thank you, and, to be clear, he did give us replacement. When he goes away, his brother helps us. I happen to like his brother, much more than him, but that isnt the point, we didnt hire his brother to do the job, we hired him, and, while I understand everyone has a right to a vacation, any person should discuss a vacation with their employer.
He has done this many times in the past, without discussing it with us, leaving his ex daughter in law, to do the job, when she was married to his son, his wife, his two sons, and most recently, his brother, to do his work. I am a reasonable person, but this Christmas week trip, two years in a row, after we specifically told him how we felt last year, is, to me, unacceptable. I am hopeful to have my license and a car by Christmas, so that, come that time, when he takes his vacation, I can give him a permanent vacation from me.

Mitch
 
Mitchell :

Honestly , I don't see any big dilemma here ...

He doesn't respect you .
He is a rotten , miserable human being .
He made fun of you .
He is unreliable .
He has one heck of an attitude problem .

Three words , FIRE , HIS , ASS !!! :ranty:
 
Thank you, zerit. I appreciate the support. Everything you said in your post is true, except for one thing, and maybe I didnt make this clear. Yes, he does have an attitude problem, doesnt respect us, and did make fun of me, but, the one thing I can say for him is that he does show up on time, and he, knock on wood, has been a safe driver. Had he not been those things, he already would have been fired. When we let him go, it wont be for being a bad driver, or for not showing up on time, but, rather, for his attitude, and big mouth.
I am going to the DMV in about a week. My plan is to hopefully get it back, so that before his vacation, we can make his planned vacation a permanent one from us, and he will have to get another job.

Mitch
 
Mitchell said:
Jami, I'm not sure what you mean by tear him a new one, but I'd be more than happy to hear, so please tell me.

Thanks,
Mitch

Give me his e-mail. I'll let him know exactly what kind of unprofessional prick he is.
 
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