So...How Bad Will the BCS Screw Rutgers?

[Dave2112]

Only in the BCS could you pour mud all over the Cinderella story of the last decade in college football. I'll lay odds right now that no matter what they do, or who else loses, Rutgers will get royally fucked by the BCS.

So, let me get this striaght. Now, I'm no genius or anything (well, actually, I am...but that's another thread ), but if you beat the #3 team...who became #3 because they beat the then-#3 team...and you're undefeated...shouldn't that make you the #3 team?

Let's assume the Knights win out. After this weekend they will be one of only two undefeated teams (in the Top 25), next to either Ohio State or Michigan. And you know what? Rutgers will still need Florida to lose, Auburn to lose....sheesh! How do you possibly walk up to a team and go "Guys, great year....but you just weren't undefeated enough."

I just don't get this crap. And by the way...regardless of the AP and Coaches Polls (or whoever the hell they're polling now....the Alumni, the Republicans, the Davidians...), the computers have Rutgers at, no, not #3....but #2 ahead of Michigan.

And let's not say it's about strength of schedule, either. Like I said, Rutgers knocked of some big guys this year while Ohio and Michigan have had their hands full (ha-ha) with the likes of Ball State, Alcorn, Bowling Green...umm...Santa Monica Community College.

It just isn't fair, and we're in for another year of BCS controversy. Let's say Ohio State wins the Michigan game. They go on to the national championship. They play Michigan anyway (which could actually happen), or maybe Florida State. The challenger upsets and wins (which the underdog has won in the last several games)...and Rutgers wins the Kotex Tampon Bowl or whatever the BCS sticks them in. We'll have Rutgers end the season with the only undefeated record and still not be national champions.

This is about money and influential alumni, people. There is no fairness in college football unless you're in one of the Top 10 schools. All the money gets funnelled into keeping these guys on top and making absolutely sure a little guy like Rutgers or Clemson or Marshall doesn't actually play good football and ruin the whole charade.

Am I just rambling or is anyone else pissed about this?

 

[german]

You said it yourself money talks.....every year something comes up that makes people lose more faith in BCS.

You think how many people would watch the re-match between Ohio State and Michigan - they have a rivalry - they have history - they got high first rounders. Rutgers has Rice and very little 'stars' after him, sadly they played their bowl game last week.

I wouldn't say I am pissed but more so disappointed, but saying that if I was a Knight fan - I would be foaming at the mouth.

Kust

 

[primetime]

Dave, Dave, Dave.... whoever said college football was fair? the reason why Rutgers will not play in the National title game is because, well, they are RUTGERS. there will NEVER be a lowly school who gets lucky one year playing for the national title. this is not basketball. plus, Rutgers still has to play West Virginia. will Rutgers win out? that remains to be seen.

for a long time, everyone has clamored for a playoff system. it makes complete sense and that bullshit excuse that the players will miss school time still doesnt hold water because BASKETBALL players miss a ton of class time. NCAA football Division I needs a playoff system. too bad a bunch of morons cant see that. i guess they dont realize that a playoff system will actually MAKE MORE MONEY than the Bowl system...

look at all the other injustices that happened in college football. for example, how Michigan SHARE the National title with Nebraska? why? because Tom Osborne retired. bullshit. college football always screws someone. but what i dont get is Auburn. remember they went 12-0 and felt they should get a share of the National title? how stupid are they? USC and Oklahoma were #1 and #2 ALL FREAKIN YEAR, went undefeated, and played each other in the title game. gee, there's your National title winner. but Auburn cried and everyone knows if they faced USC that year, they get their asses kicked worse than Oklahoma got.

ah, college football. sucks doesnt it?

 

[isabeau]

sorry Dave.. but Rutger's undefeated season is about to come to a crashing halt on Dec. 2nd...ahem they play our fantastic team..that should be one hell of a game..sorry Dave..better root for the winning team..

 

[maniactickler]

sorry Dave.. but Rutger's undefeated season is about to come to a crashing halt on Dec. 2nd...ahem they play our fantastic team..that should be one hell of a game..sorry Dave..better root for the winning team..

Yes, with a little luck, WV could possibly beat Rutgers.

 

[ThatPercussionGuy]

Going undefeated doesn't mean you should automatically play for the national championship, doesn't that mean that Boise St. is getting screwed too? The two best teams are playing on Saturday and should play again Jan. 8th as well no matter the outcome, especially if the game is close. Even Notre LAME would destroy Rutgers. The Big East made great strides this year. There are some great players that will be playing in Sundays soon also, but the truth is the Big East doesn't play any defense. I hate Ohio State with ever fiber of my being but respect them because they play all aspects of the game well, offense, defense and special teams. Rutgers is having an unbelieveable year and if they beat WV they deserve a BCS game (against Notre LAME perhaps?), but not a national championship.

GO BLUE!!!

 

[Iwant2Btickled]

I HATE the BCS.. I think that there should be a playoff system too. A lot of the divisions have them, SEC, ACC etc.. The scoring on the BCS sucks..it doesn't matter how good a team you are or aren't some of them just get votes because of who they are. I do believe that the title game will be Ohio and Michigan, one of them has to lose this week, but I don't believe either of them plays anyone else that could beat them. Being a Florida Gator fan myself, I know we are sitting there behind USC, and I apologize if I offend here, but who does USC really play? Why do they get so many points for beating little teams, except for Cal? They lose to unranked Oregon state and they are #3 in BCS this week. We lost to Auburn who was ranked up high earlier in the season and we fell to like 8th.. it truly wouldn't suprise me if "somehow" USC gets their nose in that Championship game..they always do... because they are USC.. big freaking deal. Oh well, who am I but a woman who loves college football and hates the BCS...
Go Gators...

 

[natural tickler]

I understand everyone's feelings here, and the only way to solve this is a playoff system, which we know will never happen

The only way a rematch will be set for the national title is when Michigan beats Ohio State, or if Michigan loses and the game is a classic

Besides, I fail to understand all this debate where clearly Michigan and Ohio State are the two best teams in the country

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Going undefeated doesn't mean you should automatically play for the national championship, doesn't that mean that Boise St. is getting screwed too? The two best teams are playing on Saturday and should play again Jan. 8th as well no matter the outcome, especially if the game is close. Even Notre LAME would destroy Rutgers. The Big East made great strides this year. There are some great players that will be playing in Sundays soon also, but the truth is the Big East doesn't play any defense. I hate Ohio State with ever fiber of my being but respect them because they play all aspects of the game well, offense, defense and special teams. Rutgers is having an unbelieveable year and if they beat WV they deserve a BCS game (against Notre LAME perhaps?), but not a national championship.

GO BLUE!!!

With all due respect to you and Natural, the only way you get a rematch with Ohio State on January 8th,2007 is if you guys ( Michigan ) wins a classic. If you lose to Ohio State in a dull, boring game that has Ohio State beating you 31-10 then how can you think you deserve a rematch or even think you are the 2nd best team in the Nation??? You wouldn't be and don't deserve a rematch. Even Natural and I have agreed on that much. My thoughts and his is if Ohio State beats Michigan, why do they have to do it again???

Also to say that the Big East doesn't play defense... Rutgers had a rough 22 minutes against Louisville then slapped them down. Louisville who scored out 493 yards a game and scored over an average of 40 points a game was held by Rutgers to 25 points ( including ZERO in the second half ) and 270 yards ( including only 39 yards the entire second half. ) Now not for nothing, that is good defense. Rutgers has been playing good defense all season. They, of course, come out of the Big East.

I personally think think it is silly to think that Rutgers would go to the Championship game ( and this comes from a Rutgers fan so it is not like I am rooting against them but I am being fair which some of you have no concept of removing the fan from you and making objective thoughts as a good arguement ) but this is the way it would happen...

California beats USC this weekend. Then USC beats Notre Dame. That would give each of those team 2 losses. Then Rutgers HAS to beat Cincinnati in Cincinnati, Syracuse at home and beat the Mountaineers of West Virginia in West Virginia for them to be opposite of Ohio State on January 8th. It would not hurt if Florida lost to Florida Sate but not all that important. I think Urban Myer screwed himself by running his mouth.

Finally, I think it will be Ohio State being on the same field on January 8th against USC.

 

[Dave2112]

sorry Dave.. but Rutger's undefeated season is about to come to a crashing halt on Dec. 2nd...ahem they play our fantastic team..that should be one hell of a game..sorry Dave..better root for the winning team..

You mean your fantastic team that got beat by the team that Rutgers beat? That really remains to be seen. I've got Rutgers in that pool, and it's not even a long shot for them to take it. Nothing against the Mountaineers' great season, but don't count your chickens just yet.

I know how things work, and know that the little schools aren't going to get a shot, but please can we stop with this "Clearly Ohio and Michigan are the top 2 teams" thing. Who....have...they...played?

I totally agree with a playoff system and also think it's bullshit that the kids would lose too much school. They don't give a shit that basketball players miss an entire month in March, do they?

What I would really like to see, and again it's never going to happen with the money and influence being thrown around, is a re-alignment of the conferences. Yeah, I know....travel time and missed school and all that. I mean, let's have more than one good team on each good teams schedule each year. How about Ohio, Florida and Michigan have to play the likes of Miami, Texas and Oklahoma three or four games each year, rather than feeding Baylor and Ball State to these guys to pad thier records?

And one more thing about the kids losing school time. Let's get real here, people. Most, and I'm not saying all but most, of these players are at thier schools for one thing. Virginia Tech is not going around the country scouting the best high school players in the country and saying to them "You know, our drama department could really use a guy like you!" These guys are there to play. Yes, they get degrees so they can go onto something else after football, but let's not kid ourselves. We only see the big stuff hit the news, but a lot of these kids are getting passes and not-the-hardest-diplomas-in-the-world. It happens at every school every day. You know it and I know it. (And I'm really not trying to take anything away from these kids, all I'm saying is that Brady Quinn and Brian Brohm aren't sitting around going "God, I can't wait to start my career as a legal aid!")

Playoff system! Now!

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

sorry Dave.. but Rutger's undefeated season is about to come to a crashing halt on Dec. 2nd...ahem they play our fantastic team..that should be one hell of a game..sorry Dave..better root for the winning team..

You mean that garbage that spewed up against Louisville. The fact is, you guys don't obviously play defense. You gave up 44 points to Louisville. How many did Rutgers give up to Louisville, Izzy??? Better root on a winning team??? Well let's just say, that Rutgers is in better shape that garbage in West Virginia is. 😛

 

[ThatPercussionGuy]

Who have they played you ask?

Why don't you ask Notre Lame and Wisconsin, both have only 1 loss, who beat them.

Michigan beat Notre Lame who was ranked #2 at the time at Notre Lame 47-21, that's a major beatdown. Wisconsin has only 1 loss, to who? Michigan 27-13. Michigan should be ranked #1 actually. Ohio State's claim is beating a twice beaten Texas team, that's it. Why isn't anyone talking about Wisconsin??

I'm hoping Notre Dame wins out, there's no way the voters can put them ahead of Michigan if they lose on Saturday. Well, maybe not 'no way', it is Notre Lame...lord knows what could happen when they're involved.

Troy Smith is a great quarterback, Tressel is a great coach also...call me a 'Homer', but I just think Michigan's defense will corral them.

Rutgers will lose to WV anyway which will end this debate, everyone in the top 8 play someone from the Top 8...it's going to be an amazing next 3 weeks in college football.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Who have they played you ask?

Why don't you ask Notre Lame and Wisconsin, both have only 1 loss, who beat them.

Michigan beat Notre Lame who was ranked #2 at the time at Notre Lame 47-21, that's a major beatdown. Wisconsin has only 1 loss, to who? Michigan 27-13. Michigan should be ranked #1 actually. Ohio State's claim is beating a twice beaten Texas team, that's it. Why isn't anyone talking about Wisconsin??

I'm hoping Notre Dame wins out, there's no way the voters can put them ahead of Michigan if they lose on Saturday. Well, maybe not 'no way', it is Notre Lame...lord knows what could happen when they're involved.

Troy Smith is a great quarterback, Tressel is a great coach also...call me a 'Homer', but I just think Michigan's defense will corral them.

Rutgers will lose to WV anyway which will end this debate, everyone in the top 8 play someone from the Top 8...it's going to be an amazing next 3 weeks in college football.

If Michigan loses, there will be no rematch. Notre Dame or USC winner will be the likely opponents. as far as West Virginia beating Rutgers you can't say that they WILL lose because you were could see the future like that then you should have already won the Lottery several times. They said that when Louisville faced Rutgers that Rutgers would lose. Can you please remind me who won the Louisville-Rutgers game??? Can you tell me who had 39 yards worth of offense in the second half in that game??? And you are a Homer which is okay, if you are going to be objective. I am a homer too. But I am realistic too!!! I never said Rutgers would go to the Championship game. I said a lot of things had to happen. But to say that there will be a rematch or that Rutgers will lose to WVU because you like someone is not only not objective but it does not give you much creditability. Here is something else that you need to know about Rutgers as it turns out they have played the second toughest schedule according to computer ranks. That is why you see on the computer ranks that Michigan is 1st, Rutgers is 2nd ans Ohio State is third.

 

[RobAce]

First off let me say....
tckleguy, quit Golden Dome Hatin.
I understand you hate Notre Dame, your very happy Michigan came in and trounced all over the Irish. The better team won THAT DAY. I have a great respect for Michigan and its fans, even though I bleed blue and gold. I would never call Michigan....Mich-a-lin, or Missed-again, or the Teenie-Weens.
I have a fondness for Michigan because every year I look forward to a lot of games, Michigan, Mich. St., USC, and a few others. When Notre Dame came in to the Big House last year and beat Michigan I certainly never called Michigan anything.
I know people HATE the Irish like people hate the Yankees, and hate the Cowboys and I accept that. But give some respect to an opponent that has always played clean...fair and never whined.

Now on to the other question....Rutgers will not play for the National Championship unless many things go their way, and a lot did last weekend.
Arkansas has a better chance of going than Rutgers honestly if Arkansas runs the table.
The BCS is a funny thing and yes should be thrown out the window. There should be a playoff, but this is the best we have. My beloved Fighting Irish will get its auto-bid (I know everyone hates it, and believe it or not I do too.) and I dont want them going into a National Title Game, Simply the Irish are not good enough to play OSU or Mich this year unless ND really has things clicking, and even then OSU and Mich would have to have a pretty bad day.

My personal opinion, is that WV will beat Rutgers to make this point mute anyway. OSU will beat Michigan, USC will beat Cal. Florida will lose in the SEC Championship Game, and ND will beat USC. That leaves OSU and someone else, whomever is ranked #2 in the BCS. Be it a rematch with Michigan, Notre Dame, Arkansas, or whoever wins the SEC.

This weekend will answer a few questions, but many will remain.

Rob

 

[ThatPercussionGuy]

Boy, can't a guy have any fun? Playful name calling and predictions aren't allowed? I apologize, i'll stop the tongue in cheek smack talk.

I will say this though, if Michigan loses and Notre Dame passes them in the BCS, there's something really rotten in Denmark.

Texas losing really hurt the rematch. If Notre Dame beats USC that would've made them at least 3 and 4, and how could have either of those teams jump ahead of Michigan and Ohio State which beat each of those teams easily in their stadiums?

I agree about the playoff, every other major sport and collegiate sport has a one...it's a shame. Unfortunately the BCS wasn't made for schools like Boise State and Rutgers. I think it's hilarious how the BCS has to scramble when these schools have great years like they're having, makes the people running the BCS look awfully foolish.

 

[tickletoy3]

I agree that a playoff system is the only way to decide the champ. But let's keep in mind that these schedules are made like 10 years in advance. Is it really fair to say "who do they play"? How did anyone know how good any team on a schedule would be 10 years in the future? If that were the case, someone would have put Rutgers to play Michigan, OSU, USC or Florida this year. Point is, these kids don't make the schedule, they just play it.

 

[primetime]

good point tickletoy. no one can control the schedule....

we can all agree that they need a PLAYOFF system. too bad we are not in charge.

also, for those who think the PAC-10 is weak. that is a typical East Coast or Southern bias. the fact of the matter is the SEC isnt really that good, neither is the Big 10, neither is the Big 12. ALL of the conferences have those few dominant powers and the rest are cupcake fodder. the mere fact that USC beat the snot out of Oklahoma made us all feel proud. and if USC showed up with a defense, they beat the snot out of Texas last year. dont get me wrong, i HATE USC (i'm a UCLA and Notre Dame fan), but i did enjoy watching them beat the other so called "powers".

in fact, dont worry folks, i highly doubt USC can defeat Cal, Notre Dame and UCLA in a row. they WILL LOSE at least ONE of those games. they are not that good this year.

 

[RobAce]

Boy, can't a guy have any fun? Playful name calling and predictions aren't allowed? I apologize, i'll stop the tongue in cheek smack talk.

Well you are right, smack talk is good. Ill talk smack occasionally but I felt that deep down you didnt respect ND for all it does for not only the Irish Nation, but Big Blue as well. After all Im sure every year youd rather play Notre Dame than replace it on the schedule with N. Texas or Southern Ill. It looks good on the resume whether you beat Notre Dame or lose to them. Notre Dame on the schedule, even in a bad year, always looks good.
I just have a great ammount of respect for Michigan, them being one of our 3 biggest rivals, and I look forward to that meeting every year. Win or Lose, I know the better team won that day, and that Michigan and Notre Dame will playa clean game, with respect for each other.

I will say this though, if Michigan loses and Notre Dame passes them in the BCS, there's something really rotten in Denmark.

ANd though Im an Irish Fan, Ill agree that something is rotten. To me Notre Dame should not be #5 in the BCS, they should be 6. But if USC wins and ND wins, the TV ratings look better having having #2 or #3 and #5 or #4 than say a #2 and #6 or #3 and #6. IF Michigan loses they will drop to at worst I think 5, just to give the TV hype to ND and USC for a glorious rematch of the "push score" game, putting ND and USC in the top 5. Thats what the media wants. And IF ND beats USC, then the pollsters and the BCS would be salvating at a OSU vs. Notre Dame rematch in the National Title game, I mean think of the DOLLARS they will get for that game, much more than a OSU vs. Rutgers or an OSU vs. Arkansas. Without a doubt, if USC gets past CAL and ND wins this weekend, the winner of the USC and ND game will face the winner of Mich and OSU. Its driven by dollars and mass media markets. The brass at the BCS would rather have an UNDESERVING Notre Dame team which will bring in the HUGE RATINGS in the title game than Arkansas, WV, Rutgers or even Florida. As unfair as it is, thats the system.
And I dont want it, because I dont want to see Notre Dame lose yet another bowl. But just think of what the MEDIA wants. Quinn vs. Ginn. OSU vs.ND part duex. This times its for the whole bunch of bananas.
Damn, I think I just made their headline for them.

Texas losing really hurt the rematch. If Notre Dame beats USC that would've made them at least 3 and 4, and how could have either of those teams jump ahead of Michigan and Ohio State which beat each of those teams easily in their stadiums?

I agree. Notre Dame should not be ahead, but we all know the excuses that will be given, the game was played months ago...its what you do in November that counts, ND hadnt found itself yet, blah blah blah. Someway they will justify it, but it will still be wrong. I am reminded of the year where there was no BCS and Notre Dame beat FSU, then ND lost afterwards. ND was 12-1 (winning its bowl game easily) and FSU was 11-1 winning a closer bowl game. FSU was given the National Title even though they lost to ND because Bobby "BABY" Bowden cried to the national media saying "we've never had a national title, so we should get it and we played one less game, its unfair that Notre Dame has a stronger schedule, they are an independant and we have a locked conference schedule."
So I too can see injustice in the way they vote for the polls. But we shouldnt blame the schools or the kids, its all ran by the BCS, we need to blame them.

I agree about the playoff, every other major sport and collegiate sport has a one...it's a shame. Unfortunately the BCS wasn't made for schools like Boise State and Rutgers. I think it's hilarious how the BCS has to scramble when these schools have great years like they're having, makes the people running the BCS look awfully foolish.

Ditto. Its alos funny that Notre Dame gets $1,000,000 dollars a year from the BCS no matter if Note Dame is ranked or not. The BCS now pays ND one million dollars a year if they do not get a BCS game, and they get 4.5 million when they do go.
Talk about a biased system.
But then again the previous contract was paying Notre Dame about 12.5 million per BCS bowl and nothing if they didnt get in. And we all know Notre Dame doesnt share its money with a conference or the NCAA, what Notre Dame makes, Notre Dame keeps.

also, for those who think the PAC-10 is weak. that is a typical East Coast or Southern bias. the fact of the matter is the SEC isnt really that good, neither is the Big 10, neither is the Big 12. ALL of the conferences have those few dominant powers and the rest are cupcake fodder. the mere fact that USC beat the snot out of Oklahoma made us all feel proud. and if USC showed up with a defense, they beat the snot out of Texas last year. dont get me wrong, i HATE USC (i'm a UCLA and Notre Dame fan), but i did enjoy watching them beat the other so called "powers".

I dont think the PAC-10 is weak, but I also do not think that top to bottom they have the level of conference competition of the SEC or Big 10. The Big 12 I say is about equal. The ACC is a little less, and so on. I personally feel that the SEC is the strongest overall, top to bottom conference in the country. How I figure that out is I look at the "bottom feeders" and decide which team I wouldnt want to play.
But you are entitled to your opinion, I dont share it, but I certainly dont have the monopoly on football IQ.

Rob

 

[Iwant2Btickled]

The SEC may be having a so-so year this year. But look at it this way.. its a tough conference and we beat the shit out of each other. The SEC hurts itself because you've got teams like Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU all playing each other, of course you are gonna lose some of those games. Those are all top notch teams. The SEC usually has more teams in the top 10 than any other conference, and yes, some of the teams aren't having up to par seasons this year, but that does happen especially with young, inexperienced quarterbacks that some of the teams have this year. I think if you were to put USC, Ohio State and Michigan and yes, Notre Dame and Rutgers in there, they wouldn't have such great seasons either. I do not believe Florida will go to the championship game, I don't want them to. They are good this year, but they've also had a lot of luck on their side. But I also don't want to see somebody go that only gets to go because of who they are versus some other school that deserves it. If Ohio State and Michigan both lose, then it will be a hard decision with unbeaten Rutgers and maybe even Arkansas in the mix. I hope Florida beats Arkansas for the SEC title, but the Razorbacks have got it going on this year... However it turns out, at least the Gators beat Tennessee, SC and hopefully FSU, then it will be a fabulous season in my book, championship or not.
Go Gators!

 

[primetime]

it is amazing that people still say top to bottom so and so conference (Big 10, SEC) is better than the Pac 10. in the big 10, all you really have is Ohio State, Michigan and maybe Wisconsin. who else is a major threat? all the same people who say the Pac 10 is weak from the big 10 cant say anything.

as for the SEC, same thing. usually Florida is the dominant one and yes, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and LSU are good, but they are hit and miss. and if i recall USC handled Auburn pretty well.

the Pac10 has good teams and it is hard to go undefeated in the Pac 10. you have USC, UCLA, Cal, Arizona St and sometimes Washington. the Pac 10 goes thru it's ups and downs just like others. it is a East Coast bias why people think these colleges arent strong.

these conference needs to play each other more often, otherwise this debate will go on forever. but i see no reason why the Big 10 is better than the Pac 10 or the SEC is better than the Pac 10. we have good teams and bad teams, so do them. people may point out the polls, but again there is a bias against the West. that is why i was thrilled to see USC beat the holy hell out of Oklahoma that year. they would have beaten the holy hell out of anyone that year. college football needs a playoff system. that is the only way we can truly settle any debates.

 

[commander]

If Michigan beats Ohio State, and Notre Dame beats USC, should Notre Dame get a second chance at Michigan?

Of course, all the dominos have to fall, but if rutgers beats WVU, they will get even more votes - and the computers already have Rutgers at #2....

 

[Wally West]

I wish Louisville would have won instead of Rugters so the Big East would have had a shot to win the National Championship. Oh well....

 

[german]

I guess this is a non issue now

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