Something I thought of about selling videos

[LEB]

I know a lot of people had opinions on whether people should be allowed to sell their old tickling videos on Ebay or wherever, and TIB's opinion (IIRC) was that a lot of people sell copies rather than originals, and even the ones that sell originals are taking away from Real Tickling's sales.

What I wondered is, how does that stand now RT has stopped selling videos/DVDs?

Presumably now, any videos/DVDs sold wouldn't have any effect on RT's sales as they don't sell them any more.

Does that mean it's ok now (assuming they're not copies)?

Also, I realise this *would* be copying them, but what about people who couldn't view DVD's getting a copy on tape? If they made some sort of donation to RT (and the copier didn't make profit), would that be something people would frown upon?

I just thought I'd pose the questions as I feel it would be a shame if people (read me!) were never able to get their hands (or eyes) on any of RT's stuff.

LEB

 

[unitkl]

Go to EBAy right now and search "tickling" and you'll see one guy who seems to sell his videos for $15 and has many for sale right now. Curiously he continually sells the same titles over and over. Do you think he really has that many original copies of the same titles? I don't think so. Right now he has a lot of PV videos for sale though if you like their stuff.

 

[nostradamas]

I know a lot of people had opinions on whether people should be allowed to sell their old tickling videos on Ebay or wherever, and TIB's opinion (IIRC) was that a lot of people sell copies rather than originals, and even the ones that sell originals are taking away from Real Tickling's sales.

What I wondered is, how does that stand now RT has stopped selling videos/DVDs?

Presumably now, any videos/DVDs sold wouldn't have any effect on RT's sales as they don't sell them any more.

Does that mean it's ok now (assuming they're not copies)?

Also, I realise this *would* be copying them, but what about people who couldn't view DVD's getting a copy on tape? If they made some sort of donation to RT (and the copier didn't make profit), would that be something people would frown upon?


It's not "copying" if you plan to sell the origional.
It's done all the time with music.
There are several businesses in my (urban) city that buy used product and re-sell them.
The problem here is that it's almost impossible to tell if some of RT's vids are copies or not, due to the hand-wriiten abreviated titles that adorn the "stock" blank tapes on many of the earlier titles. RT even used the "stock" label. Example: if the blank tape is a TDK, then on the TDK label is a hand written title such as "SB" for Student Body.

I understand the point about selling dubbed copies, but to assume that every copy for sale is dubbed is just as ridiculous. Copyrights are one thing, but persecution without all the facts are another.

TIB has been sucessful in complaining to Ebay about alleged copyright violations, so than rather dick with the details, they just pull the plug on the auction.

IMO, that's unjust persecution w/o all the facts.
He seems obsessed with stopping anyone but the origonal buyer from seeing his product.

 

[gig1965]

Uni, i happen to know the guy you are talking about.
He bulk buys tapes ( the entire bodies of work) from companies at very reduced rates.
He sells originals.
I know because i've bought from him.

 

[Phineas]

Does that mean it's ok now (assuming they're not copies)?

unless he's reversed his position, no, it's still not OK. They've asked that you don't do it, so don't do it.

 

[Oddjob0226]

I still see people trying to sell Real Tickling videos even thought the business is basically done with. Yet the acutions continually get closed down with the VERO action. It IS legal to sell your own original copies of a video, but RT won't allow it, so they get the acutions closed down. What's especially dissapointing is that they are not producting new stuff and they pulled a lot of their older tapes off the market. So now that my copy of Non Consent that was borrowed by a friend is gone forever, I have NO way of reaplacing this great video. Why would they pull videos off their selling list if they want to make $$$? Are thye going to come back as another entity? What about the rumor I heard at the North Texas gathering that there's another site, a new site, run by some Real Tickling people that's selling some ofthe old videos? has anyone heard about this?

 

[tickler_n_black]

What about the rumor I heard at the North Texas gathering that there's another site, a new site, run by some Real Tickling people that's selling some ofthe old videos? has anyone heard about this?

hi. i can help set the record straight, again. i'd be extremely interested in knowing who this "site" is because it's news to me. 🙂 like i've stated before, we are not selling videos anymore through the mail and we are not having other companies sell our videos through the mail either, and we are not secretly starting new companies in which to sell our videos through the mail. not. not. not. the only way people can see what tickling we've created is by downloading it online at our website. there is no other way. there is no other outlets. thanks. take care. 🙂
THE ONLY WAY TO GET TC VIDEO FOOTAGE IS HERE

 

[tickler_n_black]

What I wondered is, how does that stand now RT has stopped selling videos/DVDs?

LEB

dear leb,
all of our video footage is under copyright by us. copying and selling is prohibited. we still offer some of the same video footage online for those who want to purchase clips. so, for the record, we strongly request that you do not take it upon yourselves to sell our copyrighted videos. interested parties can still download our tickling media at our website. we're expanding it a little every week.

now this would be a completely different situation if we in fact completely closed our website/company and moved up into a mountain somewhere for eternity. we actually then would not have a problem with people trading and sharing our media. but.... we are still a functioning company. we are still offering video clips and we stand firmly behind our copyrights. thanks for listening. 🙂

 

[tickler_n_black]

Why would they pull videos off their selling list if they want to make $$$?

that all depends on just how badly you want to make money. 🙂 when we recently closed 80% of our business, we knowingly cut off 80% of our income as well. we accepted the fact that we would take in much less income. it's not always about making "the most" money. to me there are more important things. but on the other hand we can't give it all away for free because then we'd be spending money and going backwards. to answer your question above, we pulled our videos off the selling list because we wanted to slow down, simplify, and take care of other pressing matters. thanks. 🙂

 

[Oddjob0226]

that all depends on just how badly you want to make money. 🙂 when we recently closed 80% of our business, we knowingly cut off 80% of our income as well. we accepted the fact that we would take in much less income. it's not always about making "the most" money. to me there are more important things.

Well, a good point. Think of my moaning as a back-handed compliment -you made good stuff and it is missed!

 

[tickler_n_black]

Well, a good point. Think of my moaning as a back-handed compliment -you made good stuff and it is missed!

thank you for the compliment. even back-handed ones are nice. 🙂 take care.

 

[TickledToDeath]

There was a time, way back and I mean WAY back when I used, WEBTV when I first entered the world of the internet, I had my website called TickleTales. I would have contests where I gave away videos as the prize.
I did this with the permission of realtickling when I gave away a couple of their vids.
I did this for three reasons. One: to promote MY site. Two: To promote realtickling especially since I corresponded with them and I liked them. They even helped me out from time to time.
Three: I wanted to help out those who could not afford to take a gamble on purchasing a vid for the first time without knowing what it was like to buy their first tickle vid and that after seeing one for free, would lead them to purchase more from that company. Hopefully it did.

I would never resell a vid.

TTD

 

[nostradamas]

Again the masked man has managed to address all the points in this thread except the few that I have brought up.

Any reason why?

 

[ticklevids]

Re: Re: Something I thought of about selling videos

IMO, that's unjust persecution w/o all the facts.
He seems obsessed with stopping anyone but the origonal buyer from seeing his product. [/B]

FULL SARCASM MODE ON:

Gee, now why would a producer of original material only want the true buyer to view that material? That's just... unfair! MODE OFF


This topic is ridiculous, honestly. It's the same thing at the end of the day and always will be. You have NO right to sell a copy of a copyrighted product. No if's and's or but's. Frame it how you like, but it's illegal. Make all your sanctimonious arguments, it's illegal. Give us all you should-a would-a could-a's. It's illegal.

If I were TIB I would have had every customer sign a 'do not recirculate' waiver. It would have been within his legal rights to do so and since this is such a small market, would have made sense for his bottom line.

 

[LEB]

Re: Re: Re: Something I thought of about selling videos

You have NO right to sell a copy of a copyrighted product. No if's and's or but's.

Are you talking about a copy as in a pirate copy, or the original copy you purchased?

If you mean an original copy and that *reallY* is the law, then I'm glad I don't live in the U.S. if the laws are so ridiculous as to prevent you selling something you own which is your legal property.

I'd be interested to know how the system of distributors/resellers/ small outlets would manage to conform to this ruling without getting into all manner of paperwork authorising them to sell on said copyright products.

And if nothing else the tape itself belongs to you, and you can sell it as a tape which happens to have previously had something which you've failed to record over. Since it's not an illegal copy, how would that be illegal?

LEB

 

[Oddjob0226]

Re: Re: Re: Something I thought of about selling videos

This topic is ridiculous, honestly. It's the same thing at the end of the day and always will be. You have NO right to sell a copy of a copyrighted product. No if's and's or but's. Frame it how you like, but it's illegal. Make all your sanctimonious arguments, it's illegal. Give us all you should-a would-a could-a's. It's illegal.

Actually, if one were to buy the rights or make other arrangements from the copyright owner to copy the work and sell it (done "with his blessings" as it were) or the rights were transferred to you, it is legal. This has actually been done in the tickling community once or twice.

A tiny little exception? A slight triffle in the argument? Bah! That's for the law works, the little exceptions, the tiny differences in fair use and intellectual property - it all keeps lawyers in business. The law, ridiculous? Never, I say ye, never!

 

[Oddjob0226]

Hey, mo fos! I found a pretty good link about what they call the doctrine of "First Sale" which covers reselling a copywrited work. You can't legally sell a copy of something, but the dos and don't of reselling an original thing are addresses here.

http://www.rmslaw.com/articles/art65.htm