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Somewhat morbid question..

Perduabo

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Does anyone know if there is a brief period of consciousness after someone is beheaded? Is there a thought process? Or are the spasms of the eyes and mouth purely reflex?

I ask because I plan to include an execution scene in a novella I am currently writing and I can't seem to find information online to validate my question.

Any help is greatly appreciated My thanks in advance.
 
Does anyone know if there is a brief period of consciousness after someone is beheaded? Is there a thought process? Or are the spasms of the eyes and mouth purely reflex?

I ask because I plan to include an execution scene in a novella I am currently writing and I can't seem to find information online to validate my question.

Any help is greatly appreciated My thanks in advance.

I don't remember where I got this from, but I posted this on another forum about a year ago:

The following report was written by a Dr. Beaurieux, who experimented with the head of a condemned prisoner by the name of Henri Languille, on June 28, 1905:

"Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck...

I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: 'Languille!' I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions – I insist advisedly on this peculiarity – but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts.

Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. After several seconds, the eyelids closed again.

It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. Then there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement – and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead."

In the book Crucibles: The Story of Chemistry, a story is related where the unnamed servant of chemist Antoine Lavoisier was beheaded by guillotine. According to the writer, Lavoisier immediately picked up the head and asked the servant to blink if he understood. Reportedly, the man blinked. There is also an oft-repeated anecdote involving Antoine Lavoisier's own later experience on the guillotine in 1794. The story is dubious considering that it does not appear in any of his biographies, but reportedly he told his assistant that he would blink for as long as he was able after execution, and successfully did so for fifteen to twenty seconds.

Don't know if it helps you any... In that thread we explained it by nerve endings firing, etc. So no, once you're beheaded you most certainly die right away. There might be some brain activity, but nothing we'd recognize as awareness.
 
I believe you are conscious for about 3-5 seconds. Enough time to have one's eyes roll up and see their body.

The body does take a total of 3 minutes though to fully die, that is the time it takes for the brain to realize it's not getting oxygen.
 
Does anyone know if there is a brief period of consciousness after someone is beheaded? Is there a thought process? Or are the spasms of the eyes and mouth purely reflex?

I ask because I plan to include an execution scene in a novella I am currently writing and I can't seem to find information online to validate my question.

Any help is greatly appreciated My thanks in advance.

I don't think there is a valid answer one way or the other.This may be due too a lack of people reluctant to participate in research studies that might settle the issue.🙂
 
I don't think there is a valid answer one way or the other.This may be due too a lack of people reluctant to participate in research studies that might settle the issue.🙂

sigh,

The pursuit of knowledge has lost its luster in today's youth, nobody is willing tostep up to the plate for the good of science lol 🙂

Thank you Bugman, Musicrockzmysocks and Carosmyr, I must say that is a very interesting excerpt indeed.
 
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Eh, its a hard concept to grasp

Now if you sever the vertebrae at C(insert whichever number it is) you sever the nerve controlling BP, lungs and heart causing instant death, but is it instant?

Tissue still lives until its death from blood loss, so its only reasonable to believe your brain would be active till it runs out of blood and oxygen
 
I dont remember where i heard this but ive heard that you would be conscious for up to 13 seconds
 
Eh, its a hard concept to grasp

Now if you sever the vertebrae at C(insert whichever number it is) you sever the nerve controlling BP, lungs and heart causing instant death, but is it instant?

Tissue still lives until its death from blood loss, so its only reasonable to believe your brain would be active till it runs out of blood and oxygen

Medicine has constantly shown that brain function continues for a time after the person's heart has died and circulation stops...unless the brain died first from massive head trauma or other cause. This is one of the reasons for many legal issues to be dependant on brain death rather than on heart death.

If it matters to your storyline at all, Perduabo, most religious backgrounds also consider the soul to be present in the body for a time after "death", which some people consider to be a recognition of this. The kicker is that this same train of thought also brings up the nasty question of whether or not the soul remains in the body of one who is brain dead, but otherwise alive. Most state that it does remain, in spite of critics that claim it to be cotradictory. It was a topic of heated debate and declared heretical at one point by the Catholic Church to believe that the soul ever left the body until it was dead in every way...I belive during the Council of Trent, but I'd have to look that up.

Anyway, that's probably far more of a response than you were looking for. But, as a fellow author, I like to find out little things like this to enrich my storytelling. Good luck with the work. 🙂
 
Medicine has constantly shown that brain function continues for a time after the person's heart has died and circulation stops...unless the brain died first from massive head trauma or other cause. This is one of the reasons for many legal issues to be dependant on brain death rather than on heart death.

If it matters to your storyline at all, Perduabo, most religious backgrounds also consider the soul to be present in the body for a time after "death", which some people consider to be a recognition of this. The kicker is that this same train of thought also brings up the nasty question of whether or not the soul remains in the body of one who is brain dead, but otherwise alive. Most state that it does remain, in spite of critics that claim it to be cotradictory. It was a topic of heated debate and declared heretical at one point by the Catholic Church to believe that the soul ever left the body until it was dead in every way...I belive during the Council of Trent, but I'd have to look that up.

Anyway, that's probably far more of a response than you were looking for. But, as a fellow author, I like to find out little things like this to enrich my storytelling. Good luck with the work. 🙂

Truth be told, I find this concept rather interesting. I never really thought about it in that regard (I'm not a Christian, but theology always holds my interest.)

Thanks for the words of encouragement, and thanks to Trez and Goodie for your input 🙂
 
found this

It is said that once your head is of your body, you can still see things around you for a minute or so. This is because the brain is still sending and receiving information from the eyes.
The amount of time you can live all depends on how quickly your head comes of. You know all those decapitations in movies, set in medieval times? Remember how the head cut clean off in one stroke of the Axe or guillotine? (Braveheart)
Well that is not real, no, a good strong executioner will need more than 2 hits (average of 5 - 10) of the Axe to cut a head clean off, imagine the gore.
So the quicker your head comes off, the longer you can still see.
Those who were executed in medieval times were lucky enough to see the roaring pleasure of the crowd or the bottom of the basket. Lucky eh? Not!

So in short, you may last from 10 seconds to minute, and if you're really luck your head may come clean off to devoid the immense pain.
Imagine, instead of going to the movies and seeing all the violence their, back then it was real live action that even kids could enjoy.
Source(s):
I reccomend picking up a book called,
Execution Blunders by Geoffrey Abbott

A truely Gruelling Read...
 
BEHEADEEEED, watch her spray like a garden hose, BEHEADEEED, bloody mess all over my clothes.........i dunno, just seemed like an appropriate song
 
Does anyone know if there is a brief period of consciousness after someone is beheaded? Is there a thought process? Or are the spasms of the eyes and mouth purely reflex?

I ask because I plan to include an execution scene in a novella I am currently writing and I can't seem to find information online to validate my question.

Any help is greatly appreciated My thanks in advance.

Well, when I was beheaded, I noticed I was aware of being beheaded, but strangely, I felt no pain. I'd say it was all about 3-5 seconds total.
 
I remember reading in one of Cecil Adams' books on this subject. The general conclusion was that it was possible. One reader wrote in about how he was in a car accident and one of the passengers was decapitated. He ended up facing the decapitated head - within just a few seconds the facial expressions went from dazed, to horror ar realizing what had happened, to total relaxation as death (or unconsciousness) occurred.
 
I didn't search on this page yet, but here is a link for writers who need to know forensics info for their writings, its very cool because you can ask questions and experts can get back to you. I think that a lot of authors use it for murder mysteries and crime fiction, but it may help you out too.

http://www.dplylemd.com/index.html

You also could look up beheading accounts from crime and punishments history websites. I know that there is a huge book about it, but i can't remember the name at the moment. hope that this helps a little!
 
Surely the easiest way to tell if a severed head is dead would be to put it on the ground and make as if to kick it. If the eyelids flinch it's probably still conscious. None of this shouting business.
I've heard that guillotined heads do remain conscious for a few seconds after they're chopped off, owing to the oxygenated blood still present in the brain. There's an old story our history teachers used to tell us about some beheaded Viking that mouthed half a sentence after he'd gotten the chop. The theory is he was trying to call out to his wife as the axe came down but wasn't quick enough, and by the time he'd gotten the words on his lips his vocal chords were two feet away. So the shouting didn't go to well.
 
I guess the only way to find out for sure is to have your head cut off....I mean, yea, you'd be dead, but you'd die knowing the truth about it :idunno:
 
Does anyone know if there is a brief period of consciousness after someone is beheaded? Is there a thought process? Or are the spasms of the eyes and mouth purely reflex?

I ask because I plan to include an execution scene in a novella I am currently writing and I can't seem to find information online to validate my question.

Any help is greatly appreciated My thanks in advance.

Unfortunately I think you would have to be beheaded to know the answer to that!

I would ask in the medical field such as a doctor explaining that you are doing research!
 
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