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Star Wars Episode III title revealed.

To answer phfttklr's assertations about the technology timeline...

Technology actually was at a lower point during the Galactic Civil War than it was during the time of the Republic and the Clone Wars...at least for those not serving the Empire directly. The Rebel Alliance didn't have the luxury of endless coffers of cash to finance thier offensive...or much else for that matter. Many (including Leia) spent a good portion of thier own personal fortunes on hardware and supplies. However, it's still not enough to take on a military Empire. I don't want to get into an entire history of Galactic finance here, but it does make sense that the tech level would drop after what amounted to a military coup of the recognized government.

The Empire had control of everything. They limited public access to the HoloNet, allowing pretty much only the government's propaganda. You have to remember that the galaxy at large didn't know a damn thing about Palpatine's real rise to power or his intentions. They saw a man who saved the galaxy from the devastation of the Clone Wars and restored order to people tired and ravaged by war. Most of the surviving populations after the Clone Wars came to equate high levels of technology with the Confederacy, those who had wiped out entire species. So, it was no big trick to start cutting back on the production of new technologies...meanwhile, the worlds of the Outer Rim (the ones we mostly see in the films) started to slowly slip back into thier version of the Stone Age (ie: repulsorlifts and homemade droids, but just try getting parts for a Nubian J7 hyperdrive)

Funny you should bring up the X-wing, by the way, as it's the perfect example of how this all fits into the story. Originally, the company that designed the craft, Incom, was devloping a new starfighter for the Empire. Sienar's T.I.E. fighters were exellent swarm vehicles...fast, nimble and packed with firepower, and they were produced by the millions. Pilots were expendable to the Empire, shown often by the wings of hundreds that would be dispatched to overtake a relatively small ship or group. However, the Empire wanted something that could be used for specific missions, a true superiority starfighter that could be deployed when the swarm tactic wasn't appropriate or effective. Luckily for the Alliance, the designers and several key officals at Incom were Rebel sympathizers and delivered the plans for the fighter to the Alliance. Incom wound up pulling up shop and producing ships for the Rebels, but that's another story.

So, the Rebels were fighting the Empire with lesser technologies and hardware, just like the Afghans did against the Russians, the American Colonists did against the British and so on. The X-wing was the big advantage they were able to get. It's like the PLO getting Lockheed to make F-15's for them.

The apparent lack of technology in the chronologically later films then makes sense. The Empire kept all the good stuff for themselves, and most of the non-Core systems barely noticed.
 
Thanks Dave, that explains a lot. I guess you just have to read into the movie a whole lot more than just the visuals... or read the books maybe? LOL

:bowing:
 
Hey Dave

Wasn't there also a second title that was being used while they shot the Worm scenes in the desert. I remember the Blue harvest, but when the Worm showed up, didn't they have to switch it to another name like "Space Parasite" or something like that to explain the worm? I could be wrong but I seem to remember something about that as well.
 
The second title may have been one of the many rumours surrounding the trilogy. It's nothing official that I'm aware of.

As for the history there...yeah, it helps to read the books sometimes. In fact, even though the films are the events upon which all else is based, I'm actually a bigger fan of the Expanded Universe; the novels, comic series etc. I was especially enthralled by the recent New Jedi Order saga.
 
This brings up memories....

Of the toys that came out after Empire....I believe we're talking late '82, or '83-(please correct me if I'm wrong)...

Anywhoo, I remember driving with my father, after he had purchased what was I believe the Hoth Han....(cut me slack-it has been 21 or 22 years, and with all the chair shots I've taken to the head...LOL)

But I do remember, on the back of the package, was what appeared to be an ad for the Return of the Jedi line of figures...

Now, grant you, the figure I had may have come along later on after Empire, and was not a first issue figure, but I do remember distinctly, that the ad for the ROTJ figures on the back, refered to them as "Revenge of the Jedi" figures, as my father and I had discussed seeing that movie as well, when it came out...

We had also discussed the title, Revenge of the Jedi", but as I said, that was when I was 9 or 10, 22 years ago, etc....

Damn, if that were the case, what that toy would be worth alone, just for the misprint....

(I used to collect toys for my kids, and was pretty versed in their prices and such....)

OK, sorry for the interruption...please carry on...

LOL


Wil, picking up his Lazsaber....


Um....actually, come to think of it, that sounds really gross....never mind...

😉
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, Laz...but the Han figure would be worth maybe $25 still in the package, mint. The problem is that the Revenge of the Jedi merchandise were NOT misprints. As I said earlier, Fox started marketing the film early, with the false title Lucas was using.

"Revenge" stuff isn't exactly common, but they're not all that terribly hard to find, either. A lot of the figures, posters and pieces of clothing were mass-produced, albiet for a shorter time than most runs. Literally thousands of "Revenge" figures went out.

I've been collecting Star Wars memorabilia for a long time, and have an entire room in my house devoted to my collection. Out of the countless items I have, I'd say maybe ten are worth any serious figure, with maybe five or six that could gain value in perhaps ten years. When I start to collect a series of figures, I'll get one for display, and one to keep packaged. These are all in the attic. There's not a ton of money in figures, so a lot of my collection is just for the sheer enjoyment of it and the display. Short-run items, complete series of special productions and the like can gain value quickly, if you know what you're looking for.

Now if that Han figure had been the original mail-order "sneak peek" Boba Fett from late '79...you'd have something there. I ordered one when they were first announced, but what did I know about collecting back then? Poor Mr. Fett was subjected to all kinds of horrible ordeals when he was in my possesion. 🙄

Money-wise, I'd say the most valuable thing I have is a signed conceptual print by Ralph McQuarrie done in late '75 for the original Star Wars concept.

Sentimental-wise, the centerpiece of my collection is a working Signature Edition replica of Vader's lightsaber from A New Hope, made from the exact materials as the original prop, except the LED-infused blade. Not worth more than a couple of hundred, but I don't get too anal about collecting for value purposes. If it's cool, it goes in the Vault. 😀
 
theshire said:
Personally, I can't wait for the novel by Matthew Woodring to come out. I have the novels of the other five movies already, and they're fantastic.

I gotta say something here, although it does extend to more than just the Star Wars novelisations.

Novelisations SUCK THE SHIT OUT OF A DEAD DOG'S ASS!!!!!!!!


Ahhhhh, that's better. Now believe it or not, I love reading books of films I've loved. Why my outrage then? Because authors of film tie-ins are lazy bastards and unimaginative dickheads. I have the novels of the original trilogy and am pissed off about large chunks of all them.

Why does New Hope's narrative jump straight from Tarkin gloating to Leia, to Luke and Ben Kenobi training with the remote? What happened to the dramatic scene with Alderaan being destroyed by the Death Star?

And here's the real bug-bear of novelisations, and I'm thinking of two in particular (Return Of The Jedi by James Kahn, and Terminator 2: Judgement Day by Randall Frakes). The writers do the books without watching the films and obviously so. They'll compose the damn thing purely from reading the script. In T2 this resulted in some serious errors, like Arnie's T-101 stepping off the gantry and falling into the molten steel instead of being lowered in. There was also the rather strange eneding which didn't even make the extended edition and effectively null and voids T3.

In ROTJ it led to a virtual repeat of exactly what the script said for the final battle between Luke and Vader. This resulted in one of the most unimaginative and unevocative pieces of writing it's ever been my disappointment to read. That final lightsabre battle has all the drama and cliff-hanginess and imagery sucked out of it by one of the laziest pieces of writing ever.

"The Dark Lord was driven to his knees. He raised his blade to block yet another onslaught - and Luke slashed Vader's right hand off at the wrist."

Crap... in my opinion. For a start, he didn't drive Vader to his knees, Vader ducked under a slash and lost his balance and went down himself. When Luke was driving him downwards with that last series of blows, he was forcing Vader's arse onto his heels. His knees were already down.

Why can't these alleged "authors" actually watch the final film before putting fingers to keyboard? Why do we have to get these botched abortions in the novelisations? It pisses me off.


Ahhh, that's better. I now return you to your reasonable discussion. 😀
 
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