Suspended, upside-down hogties??

[barefeetarebest]

Anyone have any ideas to make this scheme possible? Any help is appreciated.

 

[Ticklishz]

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[Strider]

I don't know what your personal level of experience is, but you really don't want to even begin trying suspension bondage until you've taken some classes in it.

 

[Stage Whisper]

That sounds complicated.. and possibly painful. : /

I agree with Strider; maybe you should look into some classes/ some sort of references on the subject of suspension bondage in general. Then maybe work your way from there...?

 

[Redmage]

Anyone have any ideas to make this scheme possible? Any help is appreciated.

A couple of questions...

What do you mean here? Are you talking about a position with the bottom face-up, wrists bound in back, and ankles bound to wrists?

Why do you want to do this? Suspension is always stressful for the bottom, and not usually conducive to tickling.

I ask mainly to see if I can suggest a different way to get whatever you hope to get from this position. Suspension bondage is difficult and dangerous - possibly fatally dangerous if you aren't very experienced.

I could do the tie you're talking about, but I wouldn't want to combine it with tickling - and I've been tying people up for about 30 years now. I wouldn't recommend it myself, and I definitely wouldn't want to try to tell you how to do it online. If we can't find a better way for you to get what you're looking for then I'd recommend you find a very experienced bondage rigger in your area and get some personal instruction - and be prepared to spend a while getting to the necessary skills.

 

[barefeetarebest]

I don't know what your personal level of experience is, but you really don't want to even begin trying suspension bondage until you've taken some classes in it.

there are classes?

Would someone be willing to instruct? For instructional purposes, I'm sure that my wife would volunteer to be suspended upside-down in a hog-tie, as long as some experienced ropesmith with knowledge of intricate bondage were to do it. Then we could tickle the ever loving heck out of her

 

[barefeetarebest]

Actually, the bottom would be facing down, as would the hands and ankles; thus exposing the belly, face up. Being suspended would allow access to many areas that couldn't be reached with a normal, bed-lying hogtie.
Might I ask why you wouldn't do tickling with this?

A couple of questions...

What do you mean here? Are you talking about a position with the bottom face-up, wrists bound in back, and ankles bound to wrists?

Why do you want to do this? Suspension is always stressful for the bottom, and not usually conducive to tickling.

I ask mainly to see if I can suggest a different way to get whatever you hope to get from this position. Suspension bondage is difficult and dangerous - possibly fatally dangerous if you aren't very experienced.

I could do the tie you're talking about, but I wouldn't want to combine it with tickling - and I've been tying people up for about 30 years now. I wouldn't recommend it myself, and I definitely wouldn't want to try to tell you how to do it online. If we can't find a better way for you to get what you're looking for then I'd recommend you find a very experienced bondage rigger in your area and get some personal instruction - and be prepared to spend a while getting to the necessary skills.

 

[tkl-pen]

All scenarios and methods of restraints can, in my view, be combined with tickling - in the case of suspension, particularly in a fairly scary position for the sub like this, be very careful about the way the suspension is done, allow for the extra stresses that the squirming and struggling will generate, be very careful about the materials you use so that you don't hurt her, have a plan to release her quickly if she develops a problem and have padding beneath her in the event she falls - I have suspension wrist cuffs with quick-release clips and soft leather ankle restrains that I would use in this scenario for the sake of both comfort and safety - lastly, I wouldn't keep her in such a position for any longer than necessary and I would have a table with cushions nearby to let her rest on between actual shots - wow, I wish I knew something about this (hehe).

 

[Redmage]

there are classes?

Yes, in almost every major metropolitan area there is a kink community that includes instruction on safe, effective bondage. I've taught such classes myself. If you'll tell me your nearest large city I'll try to direct you to resources.

Would someone be willing to instruct?

I'd be willing to teach you bondage, if you're in or can get to the San Francisco Bay area. But I'll tell you up front that any responsible instructor is going to want to teach you a lot of basics before you do anything like a suspended hogtie. In fact, if your teacher is any good at all then by the time you know enough to do this you'll understand why it's not such a good idea.

Actually, the bottom would be facing down, as would the hands and ankles; thus exposing the belly, face up. Being suspended would allow access to many areas that couldn't be reached with a normal, bed-lying hogtie.

Hmm. You seem to be saying that she'd be tied face-down but her belly would be face-up. I'm not sure I understand this. The closest that I can come is that the bottom's wrists and ankles would be tied together in front of her and then tied off to the same overhead attachment point, so that she is suspended face-up with her arms, legs, and tummy forming the sides of a triangle. Is that what you mean?

EDIT: It's possible that we're using words differently here. When I refer to "the bottom" I don't mean someone's derrière. In bondage, the person being bound is the "bottom," and the person doing the tying is the "top." Is that how you were reading me?

Might I ask why you wouldn't do tickling with this?

Several reasons. You need to understand that suspension bondage is the most difficult sort of bondage to do safely. It is one of the few forms of erotic bondage in which a mistake is potentially fatal. And I mean that literally: if something goes seriously wrong in full suspension, your partner can die. That's why no one who knows enough to do it safely will teach it casually.

The most common cause of injury in suspension is falling. Even a short fall can be serious for a bound person, because she has absolutely no way to protect herself or take the fall safely. Falls happen because something works loose or something breaks. Anything that makes this more likely increases the chance of failure. A bound bottom who is struggling hard (as in most tickling scenes) is putting a lot more stress on the tie: on the rope, on the attachment points, on her own limbs.

Another problem is stress: Even the very best suspension ties are difficult for the bottom. It's hard to breathe, hard to get comfortable. Good technique and an experienced bottom can make things easier, but there's no such thing as stress-free suspension. That means that most suspension ties are good for short periods only - 15-20 minutes at best. And discomfort usually isn't conducive to good ticklishness. If your wife actually is ticklish while supporting her entire bodyweight on her hips, wrists, ankles and ribs then struggling against the tie is going to shorten the time even more.

It sounds as though the main reason you want to do this is access. Is that right? If so, then there may be better ties for what you want. Often it's as simple as tying the bottom so that it's easy to turn her over or change her position when you want to tickle a different area.

 

[barefeetarebest]

Yes, in almost every major metropolitan area there is a kink community that includes instruction on safe, effective bondage. I've taught such classes myself. If you'll tell me your nearest large city I'll try to direct you to resources.

nearest large metro city would be Philadelphia, however I live near Atlantic City but there's nothing here.

Hmm. You seem to be saying that she'd be tied face-down but her belly would be face-up. I'm not sure I understand this. The closest that I can come is that the bottom's wrists and ankles would be tied together in front of her and then tied off to the same overhead attachment point, so that she is suspended face-up with her arms, legs, and tummy forming the sides of a triangle. Is that what you mean?

EDIT: It's possible that we're using words differently here. When I refer to "the bottom" I don't mean someone's derrière. In bondage, the person being bound is the "bottom," and the person doing the tying is the "top." Is that how you were reading me?

You are absolutely right; in tickling scenes i forget there are "tops" and "bottoms", I generally reserve that for hardcore BDSM; sorry for showing my neivity. So it would be her derriere pointing down to the floor, along with wrists and ankles. She would, in fact, be face-up, belly exposed, limbs tied beneath her. I do foresee a problem with the neck and head, which would kind of be just dangling there, possibly putting stress on the neck muscles.

It sounds as though the main reason you want to do this is access. Is that right? If so, then there may be better ties for what you want. Often it's as simple as tying the bottom so that it's easy to turn her over or change her position when you want to tickle a different area.

Yes, this is the main reason, however, i am very interested in suspension-type ties, possibly even for myself! Even a simple suspension tie in which the bottom would be in a standing position with the boby weight supported by the restraints on the toes and ankles of each foot, thusly stretching and flexing the arches of the soles to their maximum, allowing direct access to tickling the muscles there.

 

[Redmage]

nearest large metro city would be Philadelphia, however I live near Atlantic City but there's nothing here.

Sure there is. You might also be interested in this or this. And if you do get to Philly there's a huge scene there.

So it would be her derriere pointing down to the floor, along with wrists and ankles. She would, in fact, be face-up, belly exposed, limbs tied beneath her. I do foresee a problem with the neck and head, which would kind of be just dangling there, possibly putting stress on the neck muscles.

It would, and while that's not especially dangerous it will get uncomfortable. It sounds though as if an ordinary bed hogtie would give you the access you want. All you have to do is turn her from her stomach to her side when you want access to those areas.

Yes, this is the main reason, however, i am very interested in suspension-type ties, possibly even for myself! Even a simple suspension tie in which the bottom would be in a standing position with the boby weight supported by the restraints on the toes and ankles of each foot, thusly stretching and flexing the arches of the soles to their maximum, allowing direct access to tickling the muscles there.

Eep! You really don't want to put a person's bodyweight on the bones of their toes.

 

[steph]

Holy cow babe! Yanno I love ya but I think if you're hell bent on making sure the poor girl winds up in traction, I'd say it's a stellar plot, unless of course, you happen to be married to Gumby!
PS~If she doesn't have a good health plan, I might be able to help ya there though...😀
XOXO

Anyone have any ideas to make this scheme possible? Any help is appreciated.

 

[drew70]

If you can't find any bondage classes, there's always the trial and error method.

 

[P[a]pi]

I'd just do a regular hanging hogtie, but without the wrists and ankles being connected.

You could use some horizontal "thing" like a board or piece of wood, and she could hang from her wrists, ankles and from her waist. I'd tie something around her waist and tie it around the horizontal thing to add support.

But, you gotta make sure the structure you are hanging her from is sturdy.

 

[barefeetarebest]

Holy cow babe! Yanno I love ya but I think if you're hell bent on making sure the poor girl winds up in traction, I'd say it's a stellar plot, unless of course, you happen to be married to Gumby!
PS~If she doesn't have a good health plan, I might be able to help ya there though...😀
XOXO

She has been known to flex and twist exactly like Gumby!! I've seen it! lol! I'm a kinky little devil, aren't I :wink

 

[barefeetarebest]

If you can't find any bondage classes, there's always the trial and error method.

ROTFLOL!! You're crazy! That's why you're the Man, Drew!

 

[KittenToes]

Ok, I HAVE to put in my 2 cents worth...

If you can't find any bondage classes, there's always the trial and error method.

I'm sure good old Trial and Error Drew70 will agree when I say it's useful to learn points of attachment- and the neck aint' one of them.


All right...

I know it seems like every time there is some thread on bondage I jump in and say "Listen, because I've done that". Sorry in advance.

Fact is, I offer input because I have the experience, both in private life and as a professional bondage model.

Others have already given advice as experienced rope tops. Here's the voice of experience from a bottom's viewpoint.

1: It cannot be emphasized enough that suspension is dangerous. Many instructors of bondage classes will refuse to teach it at all. It's not just a question of possibly falling on your head. The possible dangers are far more subtle than that. Pressure on certain points, with the bodyweight factored in, can cause nerve damage.

2: When suspended, it is often not the main stress points that will cause discomfort, but some seemingly trivial things you would never think would cause problems, but do. As an example- once, when I was in a complex suspended tie, the worst area was where a rope crossed my collarbone creating friction and subsequent rope burns. The fact that one bent knee was pulled into my armpit, turning me into a human pretzel, created no issues whatsoever, even though that bit of it LOOKED the most painful.

3: This is not something that should be tried at home, kids! First of all, not many people keep a suspension frame at home. Secondly, roof rafters, while strong enough, don't always offer points of attachment!

Sorry to be blunt, but if you have to ask how to rig a suspension, you aren't ready to do it !.

After all the cautions- I have been suspended in the position barefeetarebest refers to. I stayed in it for about 20 minutes. I was in a slightly more extreme arch than the traditional hogtie. i.e. feet pulled up to my shoulderblades, but similar enough to what you describe. I would not recommend an extended tickle session in this position, because with the head dropped back it is very hard to breathe, and therefore hard to laugh. For myself, if respiration became difficult, my ticklishness would decrease, I suppose as a result of the body trying to conserve oxygen.

The more the bottom squirms within the suspension, the harder it is to remain suspended. Motion causes the ropes to shift, and it's much harder to move a rope back to a comfortable spot when said rope is weight-bearing.

I would say the most comfy suspended position to play in would be facedown, like a log, with multiple support points. Or in a semi-seated position.

If your main motivation for attempting this is to gain better tummy access, suspension's going to be more trouble than it's worth. Just put her in a standard hogtie and roll her on her side. Then you can reach over and get the tummy.

But, if you want to try being in suspension for its own sake, find a very, VERY experienced rope top, one who has lots of previous and verifiable experience with suspension. Don't be afraid to ask for references- anyone with good refs will be more than happy to provide them.

Remember the 5 minute rule- if something begins to get uncomfy, yell when you think you can stand it for another 5 minutes. Not when it's already safeword worthy, because it takes a few minutes to release someone. With typical bondage, many problems can be solved in seconds with a good pair of bandage scissors. Not so with this, because if you just start cutting ropes, you get dropped.

I could go on for another few pages on this, but I won't. Feel free to PM if you have more questions.