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Talk about a travesty of "Justice"! Does this make sense to you?

Dave2112

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As some of you may know, 60-year-old actor Tommy Chong is currently serving a nine-month sentence for selling bongs on his website. It is important to note that there were no actual drugs involved at all in this sham of a sentence. Chong explained to the court that his characters are just that, fictional characters...and that he hasn't actually done any drugs in quite a long time. The judge in the case, in his infinite wisdom, had decided that Chong had made a lot of money portraying drug-users, and that his characters had openly flaunted law-enforcement, and that an example had to be made.

Meanwhile, over on the far right...

GOP lapdog, mouthpiece of the ultra-conservative ruling class and all-around jackass Rush Limbaugh recently admitted being addicted to narcotics. Not bad in and of itself, but he also openly admitted that he got them illegally, breaking several laws regarding the procurement of prescriptions. Know where Limbaugh is serving his "time" for his "punishment"? In one of those white-collar golf-resorts that masquerades as a clinical rehab.

Am I the only one that finds this an utter farce? I am so outraged by this mockery of the legal system that I've actually contacted the ACLU website about it. Not that it'll do much, but I feel better. If you're sick and tired of ultra-conservative "judges" deciding to punish people for what they might do, while bending over backward to make sure felonies go unpunished for thier Good 'Ol Boy Party Buddies, I suggest you do the same.

http://www.aclu.org/feedback/feedback.cfm

Sorry if I sound bitter, but this just reeks of political favoritism.
 
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I agree, Dave...

It's bad enough that Limbaugh denigrated virtually everyone who didn't agree with him as "drug-addled." For a judge to imprison Tommy Chong for selling bongs is ridiculous. Even in the conservative Commonwealth of Virginia you can't be arrested for selling items that may or may not be used to partake of drugs.

I will also voice my concerns to the ACLU. Thanks for the link, Dave.
 
Actually, Dave, I'd like to see all drug users treated the was Limbaugh was. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster. It militarized Federal law enforcement, filled the prisons with low-level crooks, and for what? Like Prohibition, all it does is keep the street price high enough to be of interest to organized crime, and it forces poor users into crime to support their addictions. Not to mention the effect that drug money has on the producing countries - the Colombian government is fighting a civil war with the drug cartels, has been for years.

This is one case where the Europeans have the right idea. Legalize drugs and tax them. It'll empty the prisons, decrease crime, and put the Jamaicans and Colombians out of business.

Strelnikov
 
"The judge in the case, in his infinite wisdom, had decided that Chong had made a lot of money portraying drug-users, and that his characters had openly flaunted law-enforcement, and that an example had to be made."



For many people abroad, a judge like this represents the face of America. This is what they see. Not Daniel Boone or Lewis and Clark or Henry Ford or Thomas Edison or Samuel Morse or Paul Robeson or Chuck Yeager or Amelia Earhart or Theodore Roosevelt or even Sally Ride, for chrissakes. It's this moronic, closed-minded, harebrained, reactionary judge who represents America abroad, and the Grand Old Pile-o'-shit here at home. They shudder abroad at the existence of idiots like this in this country. It's a shame we have to suffer them.
 
Wow a conservative openly being a hyppocrite. Will wonders never cease. 🙄
 
Please Take This With a Grain of Salt (or two)

The first half of this post will be an assessment of mine about the drug associations of America, which should be as hopefully thought-provoking as my racism posts. The other half will be my own personal take on the "War on Drugs", which will probably make Richard Belzer shit a solid gold brick if he ever reads it.

Ahem,

The drug policies America seems to exercise are done for a primarily pre-emptive reason than anything else. Here in Montana, if you are caught with a large enough quantity (and "large" is a misnomer right there) you can get sentenced to life in prison without parole. That means that technically, you can commit infanticide and still stand a chance of getting out before senility sets in; not the same with marijuana. Like Tommy Chong, they want to "set an example" to other people who may get the idea of trying the substance that they're better off not doing it.
It's very similar to the "free will" concept of religion: "Oh you can CHOOSE to use free will for your own purposes and not for Me...but if you know what's good for you"...that sort of thing.

There is plenty of evidence, most of it collected by the federal government's OWN research branches to indicate that marijuana is probably the LEAST harmful narcotic indulged by humans for recreation; in fact, the primary threat comes from smoking it, and inhaling carbon dioxide. Research has indicated that the human brain possesses neurotransmitters called cannibanoid and nicotine receptors that allow the chemicals to act psychoactively on the mind (I wish I could remember the names, but there were so many degrees of sub-categories in which they existed I had to write them down). The psychoactive results of marijuana intake are sedating and euphoric, as opposed to violent, belligerent and often nauseating reactions with alcohol.

The "gateway drug" theory is only partial bullshit. The way I see it, marijuana can have an addictive effect if you have a dependent personality. For example, we know from addiction research that the body adjusts to narcotic substances, which is why heroin users never get the same high as they did the first time when their bodies weren't ready. Certain people, myself included, have the behavioral properties to indulge in things so frequently that they become inured to the drug's effect, and pursue more powerful substances to bring them to the next level. But this doesn't seem to effect everybody, only certain individuals. It is likely due to a combination of genetic traits and psychological wiring...but science still has to find out the particulars.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I believe that virtually every aspect of human stupidity has its roots in cultural or social foundations. Marijuana only became illegal in the States sometime around the 1940s and 1950s (the exact date went the way of my notebooks--M.I.A.), around the time that racial tensions started getting increasingly heavy. At the time, it was the recerational drug of choice for Blacks and Hispanics, probably due to the fact that marijuana naturally grew in the Southern hemisphere, where the migrations of indigenous peoples brought it stateside through Mexico.

The recreational drug of choice in European cultures was spirits, or alcoholic beverages. European culture eventually became American WHITE culture, and we already know how both felt about Africans and Hispanics. So when the race riots began, the prevalence of marijuana possession among arrested ethnic rioters lent to the belief that it was causing "those people" to get out of hand. Never mind the fact that alcohol was causing white people to act even worse than their second-class citizens, or that the real scourge in the underworld was heroin, marijuana was the culprit to them. And when preliminary testing revealed its psychotropic properties, the coffin was sealed.

The demonizing of it really took hold during the 50s, when square America feared that it's clean-cut white kids would take up the habit of smoking "************-weed" and the educational films we make fun of today became a staple. Later, it was discovered that economic straits, rather than marijuana was the cause of Black and Hispanic unrest...but by then, too much of the national political structure depended on that problem to fix it.

There's also the theory that Howard Hughes instigated its prohibition beacause he was afraid that hemp would threaten his paper industry, which is a bit of a stretch, but when you consider how auto makers bought out and dismantled the public transit system of Los Angeles to sell more steel and rubber products in the late 40's...you never know.

There is an excellent book called Smoke & Mirrors by Dan Baum that details this emergence in beautiful detail...although it's been several years since I've read it.

Now here's my personal take on things.

The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster because it is all political. Within the last 50 years, the poltics of America have become a much more pure example of American bias. Leaders are chosen because of their track records; we PICK leaders by how much they represent the ideal of American values...not by how effective or insightful they may be. The War on Drugs is a cash cow for both Republican and Democratic parties alike.

Think about it: the amount of deaths resulting from marijuana consumption could probably fit on a pamphlet or a brochure. The amount of deaths as a result of alcohol consumption (alone) could fit in a filing cabinet the size of Alaska. Yet alcohol is legal and marijuana is not. This is more than likely a result of the influence of Euro-centric (a.k.a. "white") culture on national politics...think of how much influence alcohol has on European culture and social interaction and you may get an idea.

By 1930, the government figured out that its 10-year Volstead Act was a bust because making alcohol illegal didn't stop people from drinking it or illegally selling it, it just got more people arrested and cost more money. The same is true with the ban on marijuana...but even after 50 years, the government is still insisting that it is doing the "right" thing, just as the Temperance Unions did before Prohibition. But today it's for different reasons.

Think of how many people are employed by the DEA. Think of how many programs and under-the-counter deals the government may have with the governments of under-developed countries on drug trafficking. Think of how marijuana profits dwarf the legal American earning wage. And also, think about how many votes polticians get by fighting the "War on Drugs"; all those arrests need prisons to house the inamtes...that means lucrative contracting deals with construction companies to stimulate local AND personal enconomic growth. Now imagine what would happen if marijuana just STOPPED being illegal...that's a LOT of money and jobs and votes lost. The federal and local governments got a good thing going with illegal weed...lots of programs to bring in finance.

In a sense, it's probably a good thing that weed is illegal. If it WAS legal, it would have to be licensed, taxed, and worst of all, MANUFACTURED. Remember what happened with tobacco when it started being mass produced? The crops had to be sprayed with nictoine to kill the beetles and the industry chemicals got into the finished product...at least now weed is homegrown with no chemicals...the government might change that for its own gain.

Finally, the "War" on drugs gets me. A war has casualties; firefights; destruction; conflict. I don't see gunfights between DEA agents and cartels on the waterfronts with AK-47's and RPGs; I don't see mass graves being dug for dead drug dealers or blood running waist-deep in the sewers. THAT's a war...and until they want to fight it that way, call this what it is...a "campaign" against drugs.

Besides, if we can wage war on and invade Iraq under questionable reasons, then we should be able to do the same to Columbia for REAL reasons: the documented evidence of the drug trade from Columbia to the U.S. and the legitimate threat it poses to us.

Phew! That's it for me....your guys' turn.
 
Strelnikov said:
Actually, Dave, I'd like to see all drug users treated the was Limbaugh was. The "War on Drugs" has been a disaster. It militarized Federal law enforcement, filled the prisons with low-level crooks, and for what? Like Prohibition, all it does is keep the street price high enough to be of interest to organized crime, and it forces poor users into crime to support their addictions. Not to mention the effect that drug money has on the producing countries - the Colombian government is fighting a civil war with the drug cartels, has been for years.

This is one case where the Europeans have the right idea. Legalize drugs and tax them. It'll empty the prisons, decrease crime, and put the Jamaicans and Colombians out of business.

Strelnikov

Wiser words never spoken.

The war on drugs has been just about the biggest waste of my money and insult to my intelligence as any long term program out there.

The state governments are all crying now because their overinflated budgets have caught up with them in a time of economic disaster. Well, perhaps if they used some damn sense to lobby the federal government to ease drug laws and allow the taxation of the product, their shortfalls would be eased.

Granted this isn't a solution to fiscal irresponsibility on a state level, but I'd much rather see post secondary education receive the benefit of my recreational use than anyone else. Better it should go there than to fund prisons in keeping otherwise potentially productive citizens locked up.

I too agree that Limbaugh's treatment was fair, and only wish it was the norm for everybody.


And I finish with a quote from one of my favorite comedians, Bill Hicks "This isn't a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times"
 
Sigh...

The legalization or decriminalization of drugs would make harmful, psychoactive, and addictive substances affordable, available, convenient, and marketable. It would expand the use of drugs. It would remove the social stigma attached to illicit drug use, and would send a message of tolerance for drug use, especially to youth.

The theory that the prisons would empty is attractive, but even if corrrect I posit that the rise in violent crime from a higher % of addicted users will rapidly fill them yet again.

The flip side of the argument is that even in countries that have legalized certain drugs, there springs up a black market to supply those that are still prohibited and one that caters to designer drugs and strengths...seems that there's a social outcast component to drug usage as well.

Not to get "legal", but we've also signed a few treaties regarding drug usage that we'd have to break. I realize we've broken a *few* already, so this probably wouldn't be too worrisome.

Overall I don't want my kids bus driver able to have easy access to drugs. I don't want anyone operating heavy machinery or manufacturing components or a myriad of other functions to be impaired either. Seeing how poorly even alcoholics fare on the road, I sure don't think a heroin or coke addict will be a decent driver either. This is a Pandoras box that seems to present easy answers on the lid.....it should read: RUN LIKE HELL FROM THIS IDEA>
I'd like to see alcohol regulated more closely as well, rather than be a whipping boy for marijuana usage. We're NOT a clever species at times. Giving ourselves an easy answer never strikes me as the right way to solve a problem.

The example above is just that...an isolated example. If we take them in these types of contexts, we can infer that the system doesn't work at any level.

Personally I think Limbaugh deserved worse, but that doesn't excuse Chongs drug usage. The arguments here seem to imply that people are going to use these drugs in a responsible, recreational way (if such a thing exists) and that addiction isn't a concern. "Ostrich thinking" imo. I've lost a sister to drugs and just as many here have, a few friends. Why not promote reading and exercise and science fairs instead....guess I'll go back to dreaming now.

Q
 
A lot of valid points brought up here. To be honest, I wasn't looking to start a debate on the legalization of drugs. I was more outraged by the double-standard. Again, the Tommy Chong sentence had nothing to with actual drugs at all, but with the things people could use the products for. Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh has not even been charged with a single crime for illegally procuring prescription narcotics after openly admitting to breaking the law.

This is what really bothered me.

Thanks for the input. 😎
 
tommy chong got off way too lightly

and from what i heard on the radio, rush limbaugh is going to be prosecuted when he's finished with rehab. good!

i am through with rush. just another holier than thou hypocrit, that thinks just cause he's rich, he can do what ever he wants! another kennedy.

i'd like to see drug pushers be given a choice, hanging from the nearest lamp post, of name your boss, and serve 10 years hard labor.
for the really big importers (the pushers boss) just hang the bastard!

steve
 
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others." - Harry J. Anslinger, testimony to Congress, 1937

Perhaps he's risen from the grave... Only in America, baby!
 
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