The crybaby crap has gotta go.

[cloudgazer2k]

Over time, I have seen enough posts about what this person would have wanted to see, or what should have been done, and countless posts complaining about things that, all things considered, shouldn't be complained about.

We aren't a perfect society. Far from it. But yet there are the select few that have to complain about everything they see, whether it's a vid clip, picture, story, or a simple thread post. Some of these complainers even piss and moan about how fake this is, or how unreal that is. And some go to lengths to piss off everyone involved.

Normally, I am guilty of throwing it back at them, but it's getting ridiculous. The little things eventually amount to a pain in the ass. We have all seen these often negative posters who continuously fail to give constructive criticism or a decent opinion. It's all about what "they" want, what "they" consider "real", and to hell with everyone else.

So, kids, the bottom line is simple: Please, for the sake of intelligence and common decency, keep the overly negative crap to yourself. A lot of peoples' feelings have been hurt by these frequently negative posters, one of them a very close friend. Think about everyone else, not just yourself. And if you must say something, try to be less of an ass.

All right, my soapbox rant is finished.

 

[Mz Chaos]

Yeah, but it's the negative posters that make us smartass posters look good.

But seriously... I know what you mean... but I wouldn't call them cry babies... I'd call them party poopers.
They sure know how to put a damper on a thread. I saw a couple just tonight that kinda ticked me off with the way they killed the mood. And it was a good mood too. Just couldn't leave well enough alone... had to spoil the whole damn thing with their shit.

So... I'm with ya on this one kiddo.

 

[kilitiinko1]

Yeah, but it's the negative posters that make us smartass posters look good.

But seriously... I know what you mean... but I wouldn't call them cry babies... I'd call them party poopers.
They sure know how to put a damper on a thread. I saw a couple just tonight that kinda ticked me off with the way they killed the mood. And it was a good mood too. Just couldn't leave well enough alone... had to spoil the whole damn thing with their shit.

So... I'm with ya on this one kiddo.

Unless it`s in my garden,I don`t like poop!😉

 

[tickles]

Cloudgazer,

Your sentiments are appreciated, but lets face it, some folks will always view their life as half empty. When your life view is disappointing, that is what is going to come across in word and opinion. I believe that what you are experiencing is the tranfer of Karma. Karma is energy that is in the moment, always present and eminates from everything. When you are around someone that you enjoy, generally they are sending out positive words, gestures and optimism. You can absorb that good feeling and enjoy your time in that moment. These posters are tranferring their bad Karma thru their words and you feel their energy and it pisses you off, understandably so. If it is possible to identify this as karma and say to yourself.."This is your bad karma and you own it" not me....it helps. Call it exactly what it is and then empower yourself to reject it. Move on to the next post that is enjoyable or provokes interest for you. It is not easy, and I have left the forum for periods of time when I believed there was too much negativity here. I hope a different perspective helps.

Also, I do believe that some post outrageously for attention but the energy behind their words is still negative.

 

[Capnmad]

Damnit, CG, you beat me to it!

I was going to start a new thread called "Thread Pissing", which is what I call it when someone posts something, and others have the inexplicable urge to piss all over the concept, which often helps kill the momentum of the thread. Pointless little remarks, sometimes vaguely insulting, but always unnecessary and doing nothing to further a conversation. We see it all the time, and too often lately.

Simply: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. It's not The Golden Rule, but it's more specific, and it's simple common sense for civility, folks.

Good thread, Cloudgazer.

 

[lespieds]

some folks compain about if a vid or story is real or not?

Sure plenty of fake stuff is floating around the web, but why not just enjoy it? If it is sexual content, than it should be better called "fantasy".

I know I am sometimes smart ass, but when it comes to enjoying anything erotic, I am never one to complain. If someone provides free material to enjoy, why discourage them?

 

[Dave2112]

What a great way to absolutely ensure that people like this will continue to do what they do!

Those of you have started threads or have said they were about to start threads about this subject...is there any part of "attention" that isn't quite clear?

People will complain about things, and on the more adult-oriented social networking sites, there will always be those who do it just to get a rise out of people. Keep giving them that rise and devote whole multi-page threads to their efforts, and you can honestly include yourself among the reasons people hide behind a screen and look for attention by saying bad things about others.

This is the bottom line, and it has been for years and years. The more you feed it, the more it grows. Of course, this is an open forum, and you're free to be a complainer as well and complain about the copmplainers, who will in turn complain that people are complaining that they're complaining...and on and on it goes. So, make your threads, engage in debates and enjoy the freedom to keep this going for as long as possible.

As for me, I'd much rather just ignore it, realize exactly what kind of "people" post things like that and spend my time enjoying the people and topics that really matter around here. There are plenty of them, and it all depends on what you want to get out of the Forum. Frankly, I see engaging trolls in endless and unwinnable verbal contests to be an utter waste of precious time and effort...effort that could be used better on things that actually matter to us.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

What a great way to absolutely ensure that people like this will continue to do what they do!

Those of you have started threads or have said they were about to start threads about this subject...is there any part of "attention" that isn't quite clear?

People will complain about things, and on the more adult-oriented social networking sites, there will always be those who do it just to get a rise out of people. Keep giving them that rise and devote whole multi-page threads to their efforts, and you can honestly include yourself among the reasons people hide behind a screen and look for attention by saying bad things about others.

This is the bottom line, and it has been for years and years. The more you feed it, the more it grows. Of course, this is an open forum, and you're free to be a complainer as well and complain about the copmplainers, who will in turn complain that people are complaining that they're complaining...and on and on it goes. So, make your threads, engage in debates and enjoy the freedom to keep this going for as long as possible.

As for me, I'd much rather just ignore it, realize exactly what kind of "people" post things like that and spend my time enjoying the people and topics that really matter around here. There are plenty of them, and it all depends on what you want to get out of the Forum. Frankly, I see engaging trolls in endless and unwinnable verbal contests to be an utter waste of precious time and effort...effort that could be used better on things that actually matter to us.

And you know what? I agree with you. To be honest, this thread was to get the issue off of my chest. But the thing is...even if I or anyone else never addressed it, it would continue even more without our help. And though there are the few who do what they do to see who they can piss off, there are others who post negatively because it's beyond their capacity to actually be nice or not post at all.

I know, and anyone else who has engaged in post sparring matches know, that responding to these trolls is a waste of time and energy. But just ignoring them becomes less and less of an option, especially when they become outright insulting without being provoked.

Readers...we have to contain these trolling posters. Whether you use the ignore function or not, they won't go away anytime soon. Myriads himself has stated that enough attention brought to the mods about their behavior will be dealt with. So, use that "Report Post" feature above the user's post, which is that yellow triangle with the "!" in the middle. If we can call more of the trolls on their crap, maybe they'll get the message and either leave, post constructively, or not post at all.

 

[Capnmad]

And you know what? I agree with you. To be honest, this thread was to get the issue off of my chest. But the thing is...even if I or anyone else never addressed it, it would continue even more without our help.

I wouldn't worry about addressing it in this manner. Crap ebbs and flows, but I suspect where it does so is more thread/topic specific than general site specific, therefore, I suspect airing opinions on the matter here probably doesn't incite complainers one bit. I suspect they want specific attention toward them. Spending a lot of time with such people here and at work tells me that. Addressing the issue doesn't address the individual and so supplies negligible reinforcement. More often, a person posts to a thread and then returns to that thread to see if there's a response to them specifically. I could only imagine it's extraordinarily rare for a user to look to other threads they've not contributed to to see if someone is referring to them and the actions of a host of others obliquely.

Still think it's a good thread. Still think it does nothing to significantly reinforce the behavior it addresses. Still like the fact that a person would rather talk about a problem in a diffuse way that likely doesn't feed it rather than ignore it, or worse, get into the little angry poster-specific back-and-forths that do feed it.

Cheers. 🙂

 

[Dave2112]

Cloud, I get where you were coming from. It IS annoying, especially lately. My post wasn't geared toward you in particular....just people as a whole.

The Mods here take care of what we can...and more than most people know. We always encourge reporting violations and such rather than one-on-one confrontations.

I mention ignoring not to make things go away, but to take some of the fuel from the fire. My suggestion was, and is, to make the most of your time here by engaging in conversation with the people that matter to you, about the things that matter to you. If someone comes along and has some smart-ass thing to say about it...so what? Ignore it and move on. don't even give them the dignity of a response. If it is a violation, report it...if it's just someone trying to see what kind of a reaction they can get, use the power you have to keep it from them. The only, and I mean ONLY, thing these kinds of people have is the small amount of temporary thrill they get from watching someone waste their time responding to them or watching a thread get derailed bacause of them. Take that away from them, which is something each and every member here has the power to do without making it an issue, and you've left them with nothing more than sitting in Mom's basement playing with themselves.

I personally would much rather do that than become some loser's entertainment for the night.

 

[steph]

I like this Dave~and I hear ya too Cloud~I call them the "pity party for one" (give or take a few of their follower lemmings) and their boring ass, played out schtick is lame as hell. It's insulting to those of us who deal with people who face life and death every day and it's an insult to the people we're trying to help.
Shame they haven't figured out if they actually spent their time complaining about REAL problems, they'd be taken a lot more seriously. 😛
XOXO

Take that away from them, which is something each and every member here has the power to do without making it an issue, and you've left them with nothing more than sitting in Mom's basement playing with themselves.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

I like this Dave~and I hear ya too Cloud~I call them the "pity party for one" (give or take a few of their follower lemmings) and their boring ass, played out schtick is lame as hell. It's insulting to those of us who deal with people who face life and death every day and it's an insult to the people we're trying to help.
Shame they haven't figured out if they actually spent their time complaining about REAL problems, they'd be taken a lot more seriously. 😛
XOXO

You took the gist of what I said, only in fewer sentences. I thank you!

And indeed, if the ones that complain, whine and/or made the piss-ant posts that offer no substance or merit to a post spent some of THAT time bringing real life problems to a better focus, this world may be a bit of a better place. But, that is a mighty big "IF".

 

[tcklft]

I love it when I see people bitch, whine and moan about people who bitch, whine and moan. Just a wee bit o' hypocrisy there, methinks.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

I love it when I see people bitch, whine and moan about people who bitch, whine and moan. Just a wee bit o' hypocrisy there, methinks.

Who, pray tell, is doing any of that? I only stated the obvious, and that it needs to change. Though I doubt it will, it's worth the effort to try.

 

[Capnmad]

I love it when I see people bitch, whine and moan about people who bitch, whine and moan. Just a wee bit o' hypocrisy there, methinks.

Not hypocrisy. Your comparison overgeneralizes and lacks nuance.

The offenders attack and hinder threads, topics, discussion, and the people engaging in them. That is, they interfere with the purposes of our participation here.

Cloudgazer and supporters of the ideas in this thread take aim at the actions of the offenders. That is, the problem.

Do not confuse purpose for problem.

 

[Dussicar]

More often, a person posts to a thread and then returns to that thread to see if there's a response to them specifically. I could only imagine it's extraordinarily rare for a user to look to other threads they've not contributed to to see if someone is referring to them and the actions of a host of others obliquely.

Heh.

That sounds like me except I'm the complete opposite.

I will make a bunch of posts and then return to the forum a few days later forgetting that I made half of them then thinking "wait a second! Why is there an arrow next to that thread?!? I never posted there! OH MY GOD, I'VE BEEN HACKED! I GOTTA PM THE MODS AND CONTACT THE NET COPS AND THE ARMY AND CIA AND...Oh, wait. Yeah, I remember now. I did post there...Whew. That was close."

 

[Leo tickles]

So you are complaining about how you think they should stop complaining?

Or, you are saying YOU don't want to see THEM express how THEY feel?

MY HERO!

 

[tcklft]

Not hypocrisy. Your comparison overgeneralizes and lacks nuance.

The offenders attack and hinder threads, topics, discussion, and the people engaging in them. That is, they interfere with the purposes of our participation here.

Cloudgazer and supporters of the ideas in this thread take aim at the actions of the offenders. That is, the problem.

Do not confuse purpose for problem.

If a post is rude, abusive, or insulting, it can be reported to the mods, correct? If it expresses an unfavorable opinion about, say, a clip, we can ignore the post and get on with the discussion, yes? It's not like there's someone physically in our face who won't let us alone; this is text on a computer screen we're talking about.

Anyone too thin-skinned to read a negative comment without blowing a gasket should refrain from participating in internet discussion boards.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

So you are complaining about how you think they should stop complaining?

Or, you are saying YOU don't want to see THEM express how THEY feel?

MY HERO!

Again, no complaining, but bringing more light to the topic. Thanks for the input.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

If a post is rude, abusive, or insulting, it can be reported to the mods, correct? If it expresses an unfavorable opinion about, say, a clip, we can ignore the post and get on with the discussion, yes? It's not like there's someone physically in our face who won't let us alone; this is text on a computer screen we're talking about.

Anyone too thin-skinned to read a negative comment without blowing a gasket should refrain from participating in internet discussion boards.

True, we can ignore the post. But, after a while, it becomes an exercise and quite tedious. And, after awhile, those that frequently engage in making these negative posts respond constantly to those that try to reason with them, and it becomes page after page of a pissing match.

Though these posts can be, and are, reported, those that continue to make negative posts do not get the hint, often vanishing for a time, then returning to continue what they had started. You truly cannot please everyone and, with a few select members of this forum, it shows.

 

[Capnmad]

If a post is rude, abusive, or insulting, it can be reported to the mods, correct? If it expresses an unfavorable opinion about, say, a clip, we can ignore the post and get on with the discussion, yes? It's not like there's someone physically in our face who won't let us alone; this is text on a computer screen we're talking about.

Anyone too thin-skinned to read a negative comment without blowing a gasket should refrain from participating in internet discussion boards.

So you are complaining about how you think they should stop complaining?

Or, you are saying YOU don't want to see THEM express how THEY feel?

MY HERO!

A little simple reordering, and one critic's thought spars with another. Hm. Pardon that -- random funny thought passed through my mind...



But seriously, tcklft -- I agree with your statement. These things can be ignored, and should be to the degree they can. Leaving it at that, however, places responsibility solely on the offended and none on the offender. We're all supposed to be adults here -- chronologically, at least. It doesn't hurt to have a reminder like this now and then that some comments are unnecessary and a hindrance to civil discourse.

Consider it not just an airing of grievances, but for those of us reading this who are conscious of our actions and not here for the soul purpose of trolling or spamming, consider it a public service announcement, and before you post something not conducive to discussion, stop, rethink, and write something worthwhile. Let us show ourselves as people of substance and thought and not just of thoughtless antagonism, and let us encourage others to do likewise.



And Leo, no one is trying to quash your freedoms or those of other posters with something to really say. People are free to say what they want here (...within reason -- there is a degree to which censorship exists here, and that's explicitly stated in one or two stickies). But there's a difference between contribution and disruption.

Trolling and spamming are disruptions. They are expression, but generally unuseful unless one wants to get in a verbal fight or one wants to find the "Hottest chicks tastinpg perverted farm nailinxg best" (as according to the latest assault on my inbox).

If you really want to express yourself, that's great! No one's stopping you. But I think it bares occasional reminding that expression will be especially well-received if you articulate your ideas well, civilly and relevantly to the topic at hand. That's all.

 

[Leo tickles]

I'm here to express my ideas the way they pop into my head. And if that's not accepted, whoops, your bad right?

Cloud, maybe they are bringing more light onto their issues too?

 

[cloudgazer2k]

I'm here to express my ideas the way they pop into my head. And if that's not accepted, whoops, your bad right?

Cloud, maybe they are bringing more light onto their issues too?

When you blatantly insult someone, that is an issue. When you try to force your opinions, that is also an issue. Some of the posters I am speaking about do that, and more. Maybe that is o.k. with you, but I and many others don't appreciate it.

 

[Leo tickles]

I'm not forcing or insulting anybody.

I merely said that you are complaining about them complaining, if you take that as an insult, stop complaining, then I won't have ammo. I love these dispute threads. They contradict themselves in a bunch of different ways, and then "others" turn out to be the bad guys.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

I'm not forcing or insulting anybody.

I merely said that you are complaining about them complaining, if you take that as an insult, stop complaining, then I won't have ammo. I love these dispute threads. They contradict themselves in a bunch of different ways, and then "others" turn out to be the bad guys.

And I never said you were, now did I? And like I said, there is no complaining, just pointing out fact. So, be calm, breathe, and read the posts before making any judgments.