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The Trouble With Not Being Understood

Mattyyy

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Okay, so this is more of a rant than anything else but feel free to comment of you like.

So i met this girl, she was into me at first and I wasn't really looking for someone but I thought 'Hey lets give it a try and see how we both get on.' So i took her on a date, bought her a meal and a few drinks and we started to get to know each other. Now, from previous experience i believe that being honest and open from the start is the best thing to do, so i told her what i was into (i didn't just blurt it out, the conversation was headed in the direction of 'things you like'). I told her about my foot fetish and everything that was involved. She insisted that she hated people touching her feet and that it wouldn't happen - but she did enquire as to what i specifically liked. So i mentioned tickling (obviously) and i mentioned foot massages, biting, sucking, kissing and all the other foot related activities that i could think of.

Now, i know what some of you may be thinking: Idiot! Why did you come out with all that stuff on a first date?! But as i said i believe its better to just get everything out in the open and thats just my way of doing things.

So, the date ended, and it went well. Later that week we were texting and she was saying things like 'we need to work on my feet fear' and 'we'll take baby steps and see how we get on'. So naturally i was happy, i thought even if she is a bit reluctant to indulge me shes at least is willing to try things because she's understood how the whole fetish thing works.

However, we get a couple of months down the line but we are still in her 'step1' - foot massage on one foot with sock (or tights) on. I'm not saying its selfish of me to think the way i do, in many ways it probably is. But if she is willing to try things (even in baby steps) then naturally i'm going to try to encourage her to take a step further now and again. There was no success. Eventually she called things off, said i didn't understand her or her hatred of having her feet seen or touched and that she felt that it was a selfish thing to want what i wanted. I didn't disagree with her, in fact she may have been right. I was amicable, apologised for making her feel uncomfortable and admitted that i didn't want to pressure her they way in which she felt i did.

But now, i argue my case. I am what i am. I don't hide away from my fetish - in fact i have, and always will be, open about it. Forgive me for 'pushing' her into things but she said she was willing to work on her foot phobia and i obviously chased that. If anything, it was not her who was misunderstood, its me. She didn't fully understand how my fetish worked or how much i enjoyed feet and tickling I wouldn't have minded a reaction of disgust on our first date because at least then i would've known that things probably wouldn't have worked. But i feel teased by the fact that i was given an indication that we could try and work around her fear and my fetish. At this bitter stage it feels like i have wasted time on someone who could have just made her feelings clear from the start and by doing so avoided the humiliation of being told i was just to weird and selfish for her tastes.

Ahhh, i feel a bit better now i've got that off my chest, thanks to anyone who read all the way through this rant. At least here on the TMF there's no danger of not being accepted or understood 😀
 
Mattyyy , first let me say that I'm very sorry about what happened. I understand how frustrating this can be. Unfortunately, I can see it from both points of view, because it happened to me.

When I was in college, I had this female friend who I was close to. We spent a lot of time together, did all the playful things, massage, tickling, etc. (Before I knew I had a tickle fetish). At that point, I only knew about my foot fetish. At first, she seemed okay with having her feet played with, smelled, kissed, playfully tickled, etc. After a bit of this, we were talking one night, and she said something like " I'm feeling very uncomfortable. I dont want you to smell/kiss/tickle my feet anymore.". We stayed friends after that, and our chance at LTR didnt end because of my foot fetish, but.. it was very frustrating that she was okay at first with fetish things, and then wasnt.

I think the bottom line is that a lot of "vanillas" are uncomfortable with fetishes. Some are kind enough to bend and accomodate their partner, but if the partner wants more, the vanilla can balk, and turn cold.

I hope you can find someone who will be accepting of the fetish. I have a feeling that many people on this forum, have had similar experiences to what happened to you.

Good Luck.

Mitch
 
Sucks that happened man, I'm sorry. The only way I see how things could've been different would be to have not brought it up until much, much, much later in the relationship. By that time she might've trusted you and been 100% comfortable with you and willing.

But who knows. Kudos to you for being honest from the start. She probably won't get that very much in the future from men.
 
It sounds like you two were basically incompatible. Not sharing your fetish is one thing; being emotionally incapable of indulging it is another. In fact, it kind of sounds like she's the one with the problem. How do you hate the idea of someone you're (presumably) having sex with touching a certain part of your body? It's neurotic. You're better off without her.
 
It sounds like you two were basically incompatible. Not sharing your fetish is one thing; being emotionally incapable of indulging it is another. In fact, it kind of sounds like she's the one with the problem. How do you hate the idea of someone you're (presumably) having sex with touching a certain part of your body? It's neurotic. You're better off without her.

I just had this image of the girl having sex with her socks still on. Awkward. Poor, poor future boyfriend.
 
This is less her not understanding you, and simply having an emotional aversion. It's literally water and oil. Nobody is at fault here. She understood your fetish, if anything~ it seems you just didn't understand the level of her fear of having her feet touched.

I know a girl in the UK I met a few months ago at a game convention. Really cute~ LOVES tickling too! Just not on her feet. She couldn't stand having her feet touched. Wasn't a choice~ it's a hard wired thing. Tried touching them, and she did a really good job of holding on, but I was disrespecting something I didn't understand.

She got very ill~ literally, got nauseous. She was going to throw up. She was trembling, and needed a moment. It wasn't the tickling. It wasn't me. It wasn't a lack of understanding of my fetish. She just had a problem. A problem she knew she had, tried to communicate and I didn't really understand fully. She was totally okay when I tickled the hell out of her underarms the next day. <3 (Well, as okay as someone being tickled to death can be~ ^^)

This just sounds like something similar. Unfortunately, your love of feet is going up against an issue~ most likely a physical issue. How our brains work is very varied from person to person. I'm sorry you had to go through with that, but perhaps it can be a humbling learning lesson. <:3
 
I think you were totally right in telling her up front, and you handled everything pretty damn well!

(My whole view on "telling them up front" I guess comes from all of us just getting old, and at my age (I feel an old 36 here!) I don't see the need to waste days, months, years with someone, and have it all fall apart and be ticked off you wasted so much time, when you could have been spending time by yourself, or with someone who DID accommodate you. I've gotten out of my marriage, and think "Why did I waste all that time?!!" We didn't get divorced based on any of that, my ex-wife was actually pretty accommodating in that part of the relationship, wasn't that ticklish though, but that didn't affect anything. ...and lately when I read these threads, I keep thinking about that - my ex-wife WAS accommodating to me, why can't these HAPPY, active couples work it out?)

Basically, you just met the WRONG girl for you. I've actually known one or two folks in my life who were like that, and you were actually damn lucky she considered it for a while, and that alone should be enough to keep her as a friend if she so wishes.
But you were facing something you ain't gonna fix.....probably ever. You just lucked out.

I knew friends who HATED feet. They weren't to her level, but many people just think feet are disgusting. A girl could walk in and have stunning beautiful feet, and they'll be like "ICK!!!"
She could have just had a pedicure, have nice, perfect longish toes, AND be wearing suntan sheer pantyhose, and I would be having a heart attack, can't think straight! .....and they'll be like "uhh, can you put your shoes back on!"

Just as there are levels of people who like feet, and all the variation on that - variations of how they like feet, from uncontrollable to "Hey, feet are nice." -to socks, stockings, pantyhose, tights, sandals..... there are people who DISLIKE them to many variations as well.

In order for you and her to perfectly match, she'd be doing a 180 degree change...and most people don't do 180 degree changes..... For example, if someone hates horror movies, they shouldn't marry a horror movie freak. (I used THAT example to best illustrate the problem - someone who hates sci-fi movies can suck always it up and go watch a few movies with you, there's always something they can latch on to. Horror movies though, many people will simply refuse to go at all. My ex-wife put up with many of my sci-fi movies, if her hottie actor crushes were in it. But she adamantly refused to watch any horror movies at all.)
 
You didn't do anything wrong. In fact, it could be said she lead you on a bit. She said she wanted to get over her insecurities. Yet she seemed to not want to get over it. She says you don't understand. Not true. You do know what her fear is about and you wanted to help her. She was just projecting her fear on to you. The specific insecurity was very heavy. I just feel bad for her. Not because of her insecurity, but because whatever hurt her and made her insecure is deep seeded and psychically scarring. But really you didn't do anything to hurt her. She just is having a hard time getting over her dislike of having her feet touched. Maybe someone she will help her or maybe not. But you tried. That is what counts.
 
You didn't do anything wrong. In fact, it could be said she lead you on a bit. She said she wanted to get over her insecurities. Yet she seemed to not want to get over it. She says you don't understand. Not true. You do know what her fear is about and you wanted to help her. She was just projecting her fear on to you. The specific insecurity was very heavy. I just feel bad for her. Not because of her insecurity, but because whatever hurt her and made her insecure is deep seeded and psychically scarring. But really you didn't do anything to hurt her. She just is having a hard time getting over her dislike of having her feet touched. Maybe someone she will help her or maybe not. But you tried. That is what counts.

I wouldn't blow this up into her having some deep seeded emotional scarring, but I agree with this for the most part.

I'm curious, did she actually say she wasn't comfortable with what was going on while she was in her "baby steps"? It almost sounds like she was leading you on and then didn't want to be honest that she didn't like what was going on so she blew up on you. If that's true, that's extremely immature of her. What's worse is that you were the one trying to be honest! She seems like a jerk.
 
Im glad it ended when it did dude, if she had forced herself to indulge you for long enough for you to develop your feelings for her to a higher level then the inevitable would have been a far harder slap in the face.

Clearly the match was wrong, the conflict of interests was always going to be a problem, fair play to her for giving it a go and fair play to you for doing a better job than most probably would at easing her into it but like it said, it really did sound like there was only one outcome.

I agree with you about getting it out the way early, as long as it feels like its appropriate then you should really, it makes things less complicated on both sides and puts far less a risk emotionally.

It sounds like you both made typical human errors, maybe you were too pushy at a point and maybe she didnt break it off with the right words but thats just what happens, sweep it under the rug 🙂

Ide say it went fine, the process ran its course and on this occasion the interests didnt line up, perhaps the next lady you date will get abit excited when you bring up what your into, stick to what you do best, alot of us dont feel comfortable being as open as you are so personally I admire your confidence.
 
I think you should stop wasting your time and effort. Forget her and look for a woman who is comfortable with your erotic interest in her feet.

PS: You did nothing wrong. If she actually said "baby steps" (I'm emphasizing the plural), then she misled you.
 
Mattyyy, you want the truth? She doesn't really want to work on it. She's into you, so she just told you what she knows you want to hear to keep you interested. She thinks it will not be important anymore once she's got you hooked. I know what I'm talking about, I did the same thing when I was younger! 🙂
 
Right? Like Tobais Funke, only with thick wool stockings instead of cutoffs. :bwahaha:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! She's a Never Nude!!!! :bwahaha:

Mattyy, again good for you man for being upfront. Just continue what you're doing, being yourself and you'll come across who'll love you for it, be thankful you told her and be more than happy to let you indulge. 🙂
 
There was nothing selfish of you for wanting what you wanted, especially since you told her upfront and she tried to be with you despite it. She was unselfish in trying, and you were unselfish in trying to take baby steps with her. I wouldnt have gotten to a third date if she didnt let me, and that would have been generous because the minute she told me that wasnt gonna happen ( anything foot related ) in my mind her as a possibility would have dissapeared.

Basically all it comes down to is the two of you were trying to build a relationship when there was obviously something you both knew from the very beginning would be a huge issue. You werent right for each other, not everyone is. If only it were that easy... just suck it up and move on to the next one.
 
Thanks for all you're comments and support guys! Having read all your opinions i feel a lot better on the issue and i understand where we both went wrong. Thanks again 🙂
 
Thanks for all you're comments and support guys! Having read all your opinions i feel a lot better on the issue and i understand where we both went wrong. Thanks again 🙂

Fail.

I'm going to reiterate something, here. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG.

Unless if by "wrong", you mean that it was wrong that you took her at her word and followed her lead. Which, of course, is the exact opposite of wrong.

You also did absolutely nothing selfish - you are what you are, and it's great that you admit this and are okay with it. Fact is, she's trying to make herself feel better by painting you as the bad guy, so that she could feel justified in dumping you. The reason doesn't have to be logical, it just has to be a convenient rationalization so that she doesn't look a like a crazy biznitch.

I won't blame her, though; it's quite possible that she decided she liked you enough to try working on her issues, then realized she couldn't handle it. Of course, it would have made more sense for her to say "I was wrong, I won't be able to be the kind of girlfriend you want", but good luck in getting a woman to admit she's wrong. 😛
 
Mattyyy, I think you did great. We know it takes courage to share our personal secrets, and foresight to deal with an inevitable issue right away. In the same way, hearing about this created an unexpected new challenge for the person you were dating, and it sounds like she was uncertain how she'd deal with it, and hadn't previously taken the time to think it through to its conclusion.

Now that you know where she stands, you've both got enough information to know you should move on. If common fetish-mindedness is a "must have" in your dating relationships, I'm sure you're capable of summoning additional courage and clarity, and following Milagros' advice. A little failure is to be expected, and should be worthwhile.
 
Fail.

I'm going to reiterate something, here. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG.

I would like to half-agree. You did nothing wrong; feeling like you did something wrong does not constitute a 'Fail'.
Mistakes were made, perhaps. However, that doesn't mean either of you did the wrong thing. You may have both done the right thing. But doing the right thing doesn't always mean it will turn out well.

Whatever the case, I am glad you feel better.
 
The best thing about all this is the way you made it clear on the first date without blurting it out at an inappropriate moment. That in and of itself is not an easy task to pull off, so my hat's off to you.

It could be that she led you on, or maybe she was at first genuinely interested in "baby steps." The important thing is you came out of it with your honor intact.
 
Sounds like it ended really well. Amicably and with clear communication. I call it a win.

Sure it hurts though. Sorry, man.
 
Sounds like it ended really well. Amicably and with clear communication. I call it a win.

Sure it hurts though. Sorry, man.

Yeah it was a bit of an inconveniece, but luckily it didn;t get too intense before we broke up. This is why i always get things out as soon as possible, it just saves being hurt or embarassed later on.

Cheers Guys 🙂
 
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