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Thoughts About Fatherhood.

Mitchell

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I dont know what kind of reaction this post is going to get me, but I've been having some thoughts lately about myself, fatherhood, and the type of parent I'm going to be, compared to my parents, especially my father, and wanted to post this to air some thoughts.

Let me start by saying that my mom has been the best mother on the face of the earth. Warm, loving, considerate, always there for me when I needed her most. I have no complaints in that department. I'm a lucky man.

Which brings me to my father. Most of you who know me know that I'm estranged from him. We have had many estrangements over the past nineteen years since my parents split. His main problem has always been never basing our relationship on he, and I, but rather how I treat other outside family members, his mother, brother, and most recently his wife. I didnt talk to his mother the last 17 years of her life, because she caused the end of my family. His brother's RX when I called him for help, was that my parents should divorce, and that I shouldnt see my father. My father's wife thought it was fine to marry him when we were estranged, and then shoot her mouth off about what relatives I should deal with, without ever meeting me. She is a large cause of our estrangement.

That being said, when I was younger, my father was very verbally abusive to me. I was terrified of him, until one night before I left for college, 18 years of rage came out, and I let him have it, verbaly. That was the beginning of a long journey for me, in standing up to him.

It's tragic that he didnt know how to love a child, because if he had, he would have been a cool father to have. As most of you who know me are aware, he was Kiss' business manager for seven years. Additionally, he also knew guys like Johnny Bench, Joe Namath, and the entire championship Knicks teams of the 70s, including the coach. My parents had floor seats at MSG every weekend, right behind Woody Allen, and all the Knicks insiders.

He taught me how to swim, how to drive, and how not to be afraid of things. He was only 29 when I was born. He taught me how to throw a football, and how to do math. He also took me on my first rollercoaster, believing that I had to get over my fear.

When friends knew me, everyone was always like: "Ask Mitch's dad. He knows everyone. He can get us concert tickets, and the best Yankee seats, and seats on Broadway".

He just had no emotional ability to be a father, which is so tragic.

Which brings me to myself. I'm going to be 40 in a little more than a year. With an uncertain business, and an uncertain future, due to the economy, it will likely be a few to several years before I can marry. I will likely have to marry someone much younger then me in order to have at least one child, which I do want.

As all of you know me are aware, I have high blood pressure, so I cant go on things like rollercoasters, or fast go carts. I dont have the connections my father had. I'm just an antiques and art sales person, trying to find his way in the world.

I can teach my kids about history, and politics, and have meaningful conversations with them. They will also know that they are first in my life, always.

So, my question is: Do you think young children, and teenagers, can appreciate a father who loves them, and can guide them, even if he's old, and not "cool", or do kids like the idea of having a "cool" father?

Many times, I'd wish my dad was just "normal", instead of the way he was. Yes, I met Kiss, but would I have been better off just having a normal dad, who was stable in the head, and didnt know Johnny Bench?

Finally, are my kids going to appreciate me for the love I can give them, even if I'm an older father, and cant do all the things with them that my father did, or will it just be like "Dad's okay, but he's old, and lame" ?

Just some thoughts. I will be interested to hear feedback. Thanks.

Mitch
 
So, my question is: Do you think young children, and teenagers, can appreciate a father who loves them, and can guide them, even if he's old, and not "cool", or do kids like the idea of having a "cool" father?

Many times, I'd wish my dad was just "normal", instead of the way he was. Yes, I met Kiss, but would I have been better off just having a normal dad, who was stable in the head, and didnt know Johnny Bench?

Finally, are my kids going to appreciate me for the love I can give them, even if I'm an older father, and cant do all the things with them that my father did, or will it just be like "Dad's okay, but he's old, and lame" ?

Just some thoughts. I will be interested to hear feedback. Thanks.

Mitch


Of course dude, As a guy whos father showed no respect to his family of children I can tell you what it would have meant to have a father who loved me and my family and actually had an interest in me as a person and not something else he had to spend money on.

I would have traded any trip or gift he ever threw my way just for some genuine respect and love. Instead he is gone and is dead to me.

Your outlook is spot on my friend, If you can love your children, treat them as human beings and pass on to them the best of yourself and never give up on them, they will love and respect you in return. I have every faith you would make an epic father to a lucky child mitch 🙂



Hari
 
Hari, thanks for the feedback, and support. I'm very sorry to hear that your dad acted like that to you and your family.

Thanks also for saying you think I would make a good father. I think that I can be, although I know I have to watch myself, because, as a child of an abusive parent, tendencies can crop up. Luckily, I've had years of therapy, to be able to recognize behavior, and control it.

Thanks again, Hari, take care, my friend.

Mitch
 
I agree with Hari 100%. My father was physically there, but he wouldn't know what it was to be a loving, caring, decent parent if he read every book on the subject. He wanted kids so he could say he had them.
 
Thanks for the reply, vlad. I'm sorry to hear about how your dad acted. I think my father was a little like that too. He viewed both my mom and me as accessories, instead of people, and thought it advantageous to have us around, for the social norm of having a wife and kid.

Mitch
 
I had a good reletionship with my Dad when I was a child. When I became a teenager I was rebellious and constantly getting in trouble, so those weren't such good times for us.

At the age of nineteen, I joined the Army, which was a decision that surprised and impressed him. From then on he and I were tight up until the day he died two years ago.

I decided many years ago that I didn't want kids, and I've never regretted that decision. When I was thirty-six, I married a woman who had a teenage son. He always looked to me as a father and I tried my best to be supportive, though inwardly I cringed at the idea.

He's now thirty-one years old, with a bachelors in Chemical Engineering and a bachelors in Aerospace. He works for an international energy consortium.
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You'll probably be a good dad since you learned what a less that good dad is like from yours. Being a young cool dad or an old cool dad are one in the same, but what's 'cool' anyway? It's all relative. I had both my kids by 24, was I a cool dad since I was young? If my kids think so, and they probably do, my ex wife would probably disagree, lol. I dunno, it's just an age, means nothing.

Time is a trick, how many birthdays have you had? One. You had one day of birth. You start counting birthdays and the body and mind disintegrate. - Prince
 
Thanks Drew, and IT.

Maybe part of my concern stems from a friend's sister. I have a friend who is exactly my age, 38, and his sister is four years younger. Their mother is 76, and a very sweet lady, but she is very ill with Parkinson's disease. My friend tells me that his sister is always complaining how their mother is so old, and how she was too old to have kids, and the kids are now saddled with her health issues. Maybe age is a relative thing.

All I can hope is that even if I am 40 something when I have a kid, and in my 70s or 80s when they are my age, that they will know their father loved them more than anyone in the world, even if I am "Old". After all what would be better, them having a 40 odd year old dad who is good, or one who is 29 years older, like my father, and is a miserable son of a bitch like he is? Hopefully, with my love for them, they will look past my age.

Mitch
 
Good post, Mitchell.

I really feel far too young and have far too many committments to ever consider becoming a father in the near future (as well as the fact that I am currently single, and loving it 😉)

However, if and//or when I become a dad, I would hope that I have a better relationship with my child than I do with my dad.

We're not estranged, not in the slightest, but it's a tenuous relationship at best. From the way he's treated my mother over the years, down to our political differences, we always seem to end up falling out over things. Despite this, I get on with him a lot better than my sisters do (possibly because my dad is a staunch asian traditionalist and views me in slightly higher esteem than his daughter.

There's more to it than this, though I'll not go through it now.
 
Thanks for the post, and the support, artoo. I'm sorry to hear that your relationship with your father is not the best, and about how he treated your mom.

My father and I had a few things in common. We both like sports, and some of the same kinds of music, as well as Asian food. Besides that, we are as different as any two can be. He is a staunch hard line Republican, who hates all Democrats alive, and he is somewhat of a racist as well. As most who know me are aware, I'm a liberal Democrat, and my philisophy in life is that of the great Dr Martin Luther King: I judge someone not by the color of their skin, or their race, religion, or sexual orienatation, but rather, by the content of their character.

Thanks again, artoo.

Mitch
 
Mitch, I really don't think you have a problem. You sound like a real decent bloke to me and one that cares a whole lot.

I'm sort of in a position like you are, in that times is a rolling and I also would like to be a parent one day and the older I get I have doubts too.

I feel as long as you can give love and be understanding, caring and be there when the kids need you then what more does a child want, unless they turn out to be superficial and the 'want' list is endless, by the way thats another of my worries, I would hate to raise a spoiled brat lol.

I hope you find someone to share your life with that wants the same things as you do and also wants children hehe 🙂

Take care,
LeeLee
 
Mitch - whatever age you are, you can still be a great father. If anything, with age, usually comes wisdom. That's hard to come by these days. Being a good father depends on how you raise your child. If you are there whenever they need you, and even when they don't, you're on the right track. There is an unconditional love between children and parents, despite any relationship difficulties; it just becomes shrouded with them. I'm sure that if you do become a father you'll do it as you can do best.
 
LeeLee, thanks for the support. I try to be a decent bloke, as you say.

SubZero, thanks for the kind words, my friend. What you said about unconditional love is so true. I will love my kids, no matter what.

What makes my father so bad, is that I was a fundamentally decent kid. Yes, I did get sent to the principal's office in school, but it wasnt for anything illegal. I never trashed his house, or his car, or was on drugs, or a drunk. My one "crime" was that I did not want to deal with his mother, brother, or his wife, because, they treated me badly. He cant accept that. Alas, he'd rather not have a son, then accept that I have a right to my own mind.

On a seperate note: I LOVE your siggy pic, sub, lol. The "disaster" of Mr Bush ends in less than 100 days, as we know, thank God!

Take care.

Mitch
 
LeeLee, thanks for the support. I try to be a decent bloke, as you say.

SubZero, thanks for the kind words, my friend. What you said about unconditional love is so true. I will love my kids, no matter what.

What makes my father so bad, is that I was a fundamentally decent kid. Yes, I did get sent to the principal's office in school, but it wasnt for anything illegal. I never trashed his house, or his car, or was on drugs, or a drunk. My one "crime" was that I did not want to deal with his mother, brother, or his wife, because, they treated me badly. He cant accept that. Alas, he'd rather not have a son, then accept that I have a right to my own mind.

Take care.

Mitch

I suppose it all just strengthens your resolve to bring up your children without them experiencing what you did, and that's only a good thing. I'm sorry to hear of your unhappy experiences, but I'm also confident that they won't repeat themselves with you and your kids.

On a seperate note: I LOVE your siggy pic, sub, lol. The "disaster" of Mr Bush ends in less than 100 days, as we know, thank God!

Ha ha! Thanks, it was put up in my work some time ago, and I've always laughed at it, so I thought I'd share it. Glad you liked it, chap!
 
sub, thanks for the support about my bad experiences in my childhood. You are absolutely correct that my experiences strengthen my resolve not to behave toward them the way he did to me.

You are most welcome about my compliment of your siggy pic. It really is great!

Mitch
 
I think that you can be a better father than your Dad Mitch. You are a great guy and have a lot of great qualities. My Dad is a tax attorney and he acts like one every day even around his family. He has a lot of good qualities, he's very smart, excellent with math, good athlete especially golf among other things. However when it comes to feelings, he sucks (even for a man). A lot of times when I was growing up he would frequently tell me that I shouldn't get so upset about different situations and he would judge my feelings constantly. Someone needs to tell you that you don't legislate feelings. Feelings are neither right or wrong, they just feelings.

When I was growing up sometimes I would try to be affectionate with him by rubbing his back or something like that and he would give me a strange look and ask me what I was doing. He got upset every time I did that. Although he did let me hug him a few times. What a guy! LOL He tries to be a good Dad so I have to give him credit for that.
 
Be careful not to go "the other way"...

Hi Mitchell,

It's a very interesting topic you bring up, and I'm going to respond from a different angle. I haven't read all the replies, so if someone has touched on this, I apologize.

My grandfather on my Dad's side was, as far as I know, very similar to your father. He showed my father little love and compassion, and to make things brief, my father left home at 14 to make his own way in life. Through my life, I believe my father has overcompensated to a degree, becoming very smothering and controlling, in what I assume is an attempt to act differently than HIS father did.

That being said, I still have a good relationship with my father, albeit from 650 miles away. Home visits are difficult simply because the old patterns re-emerge and, though not the case, I feel as if I am being treated like a teenager.

So, I urge you, that if you do become a father, to realize that over-controlling behavior, especially as your child gets older, can lead to negative results as well.
 
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