Tickle Porn... or just porn?

[BellaRisa]

I see forced orgasms + tickling and handjobs + tickling clips. Being that this is a tickling forum I don't see why these clips are needed. Tickling should be the primary focus.. if you want forced orgasms or handjobs go look watch some porn.

And what if you like tickling combined with other sexual acts? For quite a few people tickling *with* other forms of sexuality are what truly arouses them, why should they be denied on a tickling forum?

 

[The Last Laugh]

I think moving towards more erotic content, with standard porn elements, is something that often comes naturally when a company gains in popularity and does decent business. Especially when the producer wants it to be his/her main or only source of income. Over the years, several companies that eventually became big players started which much "cleaner" content, attracted attention, and gradually introduced racier stuff, which made them even more popular. It's not a new phenomenon. Some might feel that they "sold out". But, like it or not, I think it's a logical decision.

Fact is, sex sells, including among tickling fetishists. Most people enjoy or even prefer when nudity and/or obvious sexual acts are involved, mixing them with their special personal kinks. So if a producer is serious enough about his/her business and wants it to be lucrative, especially considering how unbelievably saturated and competitive this limited market has become, going the "porn" way is the obvious answer. Not that one couldn't be successful with something tamer, but I'd say it's a lot harder.

I personally find it unfortunate, and wish more producers would stick to more casual, down-to-earth tickling. To me, it makes it easier to relate to the situation and models. It's closer to what might happen in everyday life. Still, I can't blame producers for jumping on the sex wagon. If profits are important to them, then it makes perfect sense. Also, it's possible that some producers always wanted to do something more sexual, but couldn't do ti when the started because they were still too shy to approach models with it, or didn't have the contacts or finances to do it. But after they gained more experience and resources, they were finally able to do what they wanted. Whatever the case, I don't find it surprising at all.

Myself, I don't intend to ever change my approach. I wouldn't be comfortable with something more sexual, many potential candidates would be put off by it, and it would go against what my company is all about. Besides, I've always been a minor producer, and always will, so I never felt any pressure to change my ways. Not to mention that my company is just a little sideline for me. It's not my actual job.

To be fair, I do try to get as many models as possible to do tongue tickling (without forcing them), a technique than can be considered a little kinky, and possibly sexual to some extent. But that's as far as my videos go, and the fact is that some of my models have been doing it since my very first release. So things really haven't changed much.

Damn, I'm going on and on, aren't I? Why is it that I always write a novel each time I post a comment? I can't help it. I'm simply incapable of being concise. Sorry about that.

 

[Radiohead 7140]

Doesn't bother me. Obviously there are people out there who like it, so why shouldn't producers make it? I have no interest in the forced orgasms stuff (though sometimes some nudity in the tickling clips can be fun), but there's so much material out there. It's not like the entire scene is moving towards porn-heavy, tickle-light videos

 

[Deadsea7777]

Nothing wrong to have more sex....as long as sex does not replace tickling. There is very good porn all over.The tickling is a niche market. So I think tickling should be the main dish, and the rest the side orders. No side order will ever replace the main course.
If you try to do both at once you could get both wrong, like the hydroplane, that is a bad plane and a bad ship.
Some people do both like Christina Carter, or Amber Bach. And they do only tickling, mixtures, only porn. I usually get only what I like and discard the rest. As long as there is choice, is OK.

 

[leafstk]

Great post, Francois! I've always enjoyed your material... and hey, a fellow Canadian to boot! 😀 I hope you don't change your style, its always worked. Your models are cute and do seem more your "girl next door" type somehow. I also like that you've got more "English" speaking models of late... not that I want to get into the language debate, LOL 😀

I think moving towards more erotic content, with standard porn elements, is something that often comes naturally when a company gains in popularity and does decent business. Especially when the producer wants it to be his/her main or only source of income. Over the years, several companies that eventually became big players started which much "cleaner" content, attracted attention, and gradually introduced racier stuff, which made them even more popular. It's not a new phenomenon. Some might feel that they "sold out". But, like it or not, I think it's a logical decision.

Fact is, sex sells, including among tickling fetishists. Most people enjoy or even prefer when nudity and/or obvious sexual acts are involved, mixing them with their special personal kinks. So if a producer is serious enough about his/her business and wants it to be lucrative, especially considering how unbelievably saturated and competitive this limited market has become, going the "porn" way is the obvious answer. Not that one couldn't be successful with something tamer, but I'd say it's a lot harder.

I personally find it unfortunate, and wish more producers would stick to more casual, down-to-earth tickling. To me, it makes it easier to relate to the situation and models. It's closer to what might happen in everyday life. Still, I can't blame producers for jumping on the sex wagon. If profits are important to them, then it makes perfect sense. Also, it's possible that some producers always wanted to do something more sexual, but couldn't do ti when the started because they were still too shy to approach models with it, or didn't have the contacts or finances to do it. But after they gained more experience and resources, they were finally able to do what they wanted. Whatever the case, I don't find it surprising at all.

Myself, I don't intend to ever change my approach. I wouldn't be comfortable with something more sexual, many potential candidates would be put off by it, and it would go against what my company is all about. Besides, I've always been a minor producer, and always will, so I never felt any pressure to change my ways. Not to mention that my company is just a little sideline for me. It's not my actual job.

To be fair, I do try to get as many models as possible to do tongue tickling (without forcing them), a technique than can be considered a little kinky, and possibly sexual to some extent. But that's as far as my videos go, and the fact is that some of my models have been doing it since my very first release. So things really haven't changed much.

Damn, I'm going on and on, aren't I? Why is it that I always write a novel each time I post a comment? I can't help it. I'm simply incapable of being concise. Sorry about that.

 

[leafstk]

Nothing wrong to have more sex....as long as sex does not replace tickling. There is very good porn all over.The tickling is a niche market. So I think tickling should be the main dish, and the rest the side orders. No side order will ever replace the main course.
If you try to do both at once you could get both wrong, like the hydroplane, that is a bad plane and a bad ship.
Some people do both like Christina Carter, or Amber Bach. And they do only tickling, mixtures, only porn. I usually get only what I like and discard the rest. As long as there is choice, is OK.

I agree with this. Dungeon Maidens used to do a good job of this... tickling the main content, but the sexual element was a nice touch. When I first saw their stuff... i though wow, that's pretty hard core for the tickle community, lol. Things sure have changed 😀

 

[JPie1]

I think it all boils down to personal preference, I think if you look there is something for everyone. Personally if the erotic stuff wasn't selling it would not be out there.

 

[leafstk]

I agree with you, Jpie. But for me, I think "erotic" is the wrong term... because I think tickling on its own is erotic to begin with. It's blending it with vanilla porn where I guess its becoming more "hardcore"... I guess that's what I was getting at. Still, as you say, its selling for a reason 😀

 

[Tidas]

Personally I like the non-nude stuff. I think we can all agree that Realtickling was, in it's heyday, one of the greatest tickling producers out there, and they rarely had any nude material. They added some nudity in there after a while, but it was mostly tasteful. TickleAbuse used to be this way. TicklingParadise still is. Last Laugh and Tickletown are still non-nude, and I hope it stays that way. I like nudity to be in real life, not in tickling clips, so it makes me sad to see the market trending this way. I just hope there is still room for us non-nude fans in the mix in the future. I don't think people should have to make anything one certain way, but I think that maybe in this case, it should be presented both ways.

 

[Amanda Cortez]

Shit, thre's nothing wrong ith tickling, I love it. I mean it's sexual and arousig and so why shouldn't it be without clothes? You also don't bang with clothes, so it's absolutely ok for me. BTW, some nice pussy and boobie tickling can be so much fun and explain me how you wanna do that with clothes.

 

[leafstk]

That was rather crass of you Amanda... but hey, I like it 😀 LOL

The discussion isn't about whether or not it is wrong. For the record, I too LOVE tickling AND sex... lol! And to see it depicted in a clip can be very arousing too, absolutely. I'm just saying a lot more clips out there nowadays seem to be more "pornographic" then they used to be here.... until recently, I never equated tickling clips with "porn" per se. To us it is, because it's what we enjoy and get off on... but for me, the tickling itself is what I find gratifying and enjoyable.

In that respect, nudity/sex isn't required, know what I mean? And that's the way it always was around here, now it's like a melding of two worlds... tickle fetish and vanilla porn. NOT a complaint, just an observation 😉

 

[rhiannon]

Some people just dig watching them. Like a concert where the music is laughter.

But many do pleasure themselves. But, for many of those, if they wanted sex, they'd buy Vivid, and not tickling. To many watching sex is not terribly stimulating. Just a visual thing. But tickling may be more erotic. So there's people who pleasure themselves, but only want the tickling part for whatever reason. Maybe it's true fetish, and that's what they need to get off. Maybe they just prefer it because of the sounds. many guys don't want to see another dude's naked parts, or in the case of forced orgasm videos, the idea of a woman being brought to orgasm by a vibrator is not exciting.

Everyone has their own variations on the kinky theme. Most of the self loving I've done (but by no means all) has been non-sexual videos, just straight tickling. Or cam tickling. But my girls on cam, I don't have them even get naked. Just as hot to me as you watching tickled orgasms is for you.

It's all good.

Christopher

Uh, wait...I don't need an orgasm in a tickling vid, seriously not! 🙂 But I like the lee to be nude! The ler can be clothed like an eskimo, I don't care! 🙂 Actually it even annoys me when time used for tickling is used for vibrator play, if I want to see that, I buy a clip with just that in it. That doesn't mean the tickling is not sexual! I especially enjoy clips where the privates are tickled - too bad there are hardly any out there!

 

[Gadilici]

Like I said in my first post, for me visually, I prefer bra and panties or bra and jeans (on the lee, like you, not too concerned about the ler). It's a more appealing visual to me. Just stating the case for non-nude tickling to not go the way of the dinosaur. There's a market for both. And I like a lot of nude clips. But speaking visually, non nude is usually (not always) hotter to me.

The time I usually prefer nude is like you said with private tickling. But it's hard to find a ticklish woo-woo. Ticklish nipples seem more common, and they can be tickled under a bra or bikini. In fact sometimes (if you believe the "nylons are more ticklish" idea) it may make boobses more ticklish. But yeah, tickling there LOOKS better with naked nipples.

Now making a video, I have to fight with myself to NOT do nude lee videos. Nude lee's in person are often double barreled awesome. Again with the "not always" caveat. So, I have a couple times had to restrain myself from nudity on the lee. Reconciling what I want it to look like, and what I like to do. Like Viper said, I always wanted to videos I would want to watch. And typically, I'd rather not watch the nudity. The two nudies I did, one I was dating, and the other...her body screamed for nudity. It was built that nudity looked better than clothing of any sort.

So I dig both, just a preference for one...usually.

Christopher

 

[Deleted member 2452]

to each his own i say

some like inocent tickling, some like intimate tickling, and i say good on both camps!
that's why there are multiple vid companies, making both types of videos.

steve

 

[ZenTickling]

And what if you like tickling combined with other sexual acts? For quite a few people tickling *with* other forms of sexuality are what truly arouses them, why should they be denied on a tickling forum?

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them? I think videos should be mostly, if not entirely, tickling. You can combine tickling with pretty much anything but that doesn't mean it belongs on this forum.

 

[Artoo]

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them?

In theory, no. Although I dunno where you'd find a producer who feels there's a large enough market to make one. 😉

 

[BellaRisa]

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them? I think videos should be mostly, if not entirely, tickling. You can combine tickling with pretty much anything but that doesn't mean it belongs on this forum.

Did you really just go from sex between two humans to sex between humans and animals? You know that's a truly absurd leap, don't you?

This forum is about *people* who enjoy the various forms of tickling. That includes those who enjoy tickling as a part of their sexuality.

 

[Radiohead 7140]

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them? I think videos should be mostly, if not entirely, tickling. You can combine tickling with pretty much anything but that doesn't mean it belongs on this forum.

dont you DARE fuckin deny me of what gets me off!

 

[skelyrata]

Well

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them? I think videos should be mostly, if not entirely, tickling. You can combine tickling with pretty much anything but that doesn't mean it belongs on this forum.

Well I have seen videos of puppies lick-tickling the armpits and feet of their female-owner and found them cute videos. I hope that doesn't make me a bestiality lover. Of course we don't see those videos around too much because there is a no animal rule, but still in the right circumstances, it could be cute and erotic.

 

[meangry]

What if you like tickling combined with bestiality? Should those people be denied clips that arouse them? I think videos should be mostly, if not entirely, tickling. You can combine tickling with pretty much anything but that doesn't mean it belongs on this forum.

Don't tell me you don't see the attraction of using sexual content to get a high profit for what you produce. Christina Carter literally bursts from her top in a few clips you've produced.

I also wouldn't see the point behind what those other people produce with their sexual content either from your prospective, as you are competing with them for market share in this community.

 

[skelyrata]

The theme of this threat is a question that comes very often about why my videos seem to mix tickling with sexuality.

The answer is in the way I approach my sessions. I see them as love scenes in which tickling is a very important part of the seduction game.

When I started doing this almost three years ago, I was doing only tickling, but I always felt that sessions where incomplete, they didn't feel real. The same way I feel when I see a hardcore movie that is just fuck fuck and fuck and borring and superficial.

So one day I experimented with tickling, vibrator and forced orgasm and got very good results. It gave a good closure to the videos and increased sales and since this is how I make a living, sales is very important for me, but never sacrificing my devotion for tickling.

Then I incorporated other aspects of softcore like body kissing, boob grabbing and tit sucking and I saw that the more versatile a video better the sales... still tickling is the main element of the entire show.

The same way that an action movie can have romance and comedy and still be an action movie.

On the educational side, I have learned a lot of great things about women and sexuality since I started exploring the sexual aspects of tickling, and one of them is that tickling a great way to find out if you are sexualy compatible with that girl that is seating all by herself at the club. If she likes it she will giggle or squirm, if she doesn't, she will bark at you or stand and go, but since it was just tickling, no harm done!

The other great lesson is that contrary to what male ego dictates, the vibrator is not your enemy, if you use it right, it can be your and your girls best friend!

So when somebody buys and watch one of my videos he/she can learn some tricks to play with their mates at home!

 

[Radiohead 7140]

The theme of this threat is a question that comes very often about why my videos seem to mix tickling with sexuality.

The answer is in the way I approach my sessions. I see them as love scenes in which tickling is a very important part of the seduction game.

When I started doing this almost three years ago, I was doing only tickling, but I always felt that sessions where incomplete, they didn't feel real. The same way I feel when I see a hardcore movie that is just fuck fuck and fuck and borring and superficial.

So one day I experimented with tickling, vibrator and forced orgasm and got very good results. It gave a good closure to the videos and increased sales and since this is how I make a living, sales is very important for me, but never sacrificing my devotion for tickling.

Then I incorporated other aspects of softcore like body kissing, boob grabbing and tit sucking and I saw that the more versatile a video better the sales... still tickling is the main element of the entire show.

The same way that an action movie can have romance and comedy and still be an action movie.

On the educational side, I have learned a lot of great things about women and sexuality since I started exploring the sexual aspects of tickling, and one of them is that tickling a great way to find out if you are sexualy compatible with that girl that is seating all by herself at the club. If she likes it she will giggle or squirm, if she doesn't, she will bark at you or stand and go, but since it was just tickling, no harm done!

The other great lesson is that contrary to what male ego dictates, the vibrator is not your enemy, if you use it right, it can be your and your girls best friend!

So when somebody buys and watch one of my videos he/she can learn some tricks to play with their mates at home!

wait....am i reading that you tickle random girls at clubs?

 

[skelyrata]

wait....am i reading that you tickle random girls at clubs?

No. What I am saying is that when I am at a club and I see a girl all by herself, of course I introduce myself and talk and seat you know, but at some point I do the tickle test on her wrist. If she reacts positive, then I do another test on her neck. If she reacts positive again, then an amazing one night stand follows with sensual tickling as the main apetizer!

If on the contrary she reacts negative to the inicial wrist tickling, then it will be just a few drinks, a few laugh, and maybe dinner, but it usually never goes beyond that.

 

[solescratcher99]

I'm surprised sexuality wasn't mixed in with it from the get go.

 

[Squeekels]

I understand both sides of this, and it all depends on people's tastes. I do believe that most people (including myself) went in search of this type of community because we realized we have a tickling fetish through some sort of sexual experience or awakening.

But I do agree that full nudity is too far, that jeans and a bra or shorts and a bra work just as well. And tickled to orgasm? Really not my thing. Forced orgasms in general are never my thing.

I also understand that some people are not here because tickling turns them on, they just view it as innocent fun. But really kids, fighting like this? Both sides are always going to exist, and no one has a right to deprive someone of what they enjoy. As long as it takes good money, both types of videos will continue to be made and petty arguing won't change a company's or a person's mind.