Tickle Torture ? For Lers

[BikerBadBoy]

Was thinking the other day....I know, insert jokes here.....about tickle torture and what us "lers" really enjoy. So let me ask you this. Is it really torture if the "lee" enjoys it? I mean would you rather tickle torture a "lee" who doesn't like to be tortured but can't help to laugh because she is so ticklish? Or, is it more enjoyable if the "lee" is into it and enjoys being tickle tortured? Is that really torture? Even bringing her to her limits and beyond might be torure for the "lee" that enjoys it but after she'll reflect on the enjoyment of it. The "lee" that doesn't enjoy the torture would still be a voluntary subject of course, but the tickling would be so unbearable. Would htat cause greater enjoyment for the "ler"?

 

[primetime]

hmm, good question. it is amazing that we throw out the word "torture", but if the "lee" likes it, then is it really torture?

in fantasy (judging by my stories- by the way, check them out in my story archive! yes, cheap plug), i like nonconsentual tickle torture between two (or more) women.

in reality, i like the gentle playful tickling that can be either pure entertainment or sensual and erotic. even when i have done a tickling session with a submissive, i tickle her good, but i never go "all out" and do nonstop tickling. the playful tickling is a lot of fun. ask Steph, Bellystrokes, and Mya from the Dominion......hehehehehehehehehe

i guess i'm weird like that.... fantasies and reality will never mix with me.

 

[BikerBadBoy]

I also like the nonconsentual tickling between two women but as for a male "ler" and female "lee" that's a trickier situation. As far as fantasy and reality mixing, it's sometimes tough to. Although we are tempted and sometimes try, sometimes accomplish it though role-play, to some it will never mix.

 

[isabeau]

answering from a lee's standpoint i can say that if i truly found it torturous and couldn't stand it..i wouldn't enjoy it at all..btw i like non consensual in fantasies also, but in real life? not sure..

 

[BikerBadBoy]

answering from a lee's standpoint i can say that if i truly found it torturous and couldn't stand it..i wouldn't enjoy it at all..btw i like non consensual in fantasies also, but in real life? not sure..

Hard to discuss this with a "lee" but many "lers" find that part of the experience exciting. Driving a "lee" to the point of it being unbearable. Now we are into if a "lee" started out as one who enjoys torture but going too far where it becomes too much torture. This is getting too deep for me (kidding).

 

[steph]

Asked and answered...primetime rocks!
XOXO

in reality, i like the gentle playful tickling that can be either pure entertainment or sensual and erotic. even when i have done a tickling session with a submissive, i tickle her good, but i never go "all out" and do nonstop tickling. the playful tickling is a lot of fun. ask Steph, Bellystrokes, and Mya from the Dominion......hehehehehehehehehe

i guess i'm weird like that.... fantasies and reality will never mix with me.

 

[sabaki]

Check out this thread from a while ago, "Should the lee like it?" There are some interesting viewpoints there on what enjoyment is, and whether torture can be enjoyable on some level. (I think it can).

As to your questions. I think the phrase "tickle torture" gets used too lightly by many people. Tickle torture is tickling, used to torture someone, meaning to subject them to mental anguish. On some level it is going to be unpleasant for them, by definition, and they are going to want it to stop. And there are definitely 'lees here who want it that love/hate way (myself included).

As a 'ler I think I would prefer to play with someone like that, because for me complex feelings and conflict are more interesting and exciting than just pure pleasure. But I guess there is a time for all things. Sometimes I want to watch a movie that is happy and simple and feel-good, and other times I want to see a more complicated, bittersweet movie that makes me think.

 

[bellystrokes]

Well my knees can answer best---heheheeh. Seriously Primetime is excellent in recognizing both the desires and limitations of a lee and acts according. Perfect balance (which is what it is all about). And you can also add my friend, Godiva to the list of goddesses to ask about Primetime.

I think at our gatherings, we have "roleplayed" the non-con stuff, but again, good lers, such a PT, and get into the game but stay grounded in reality.

 

[Mephistopheles]

The rush I get comes from the power it gives me, to dominate the lee in such away that I can take away her power to control even her own body.

 

[devilsadvocate]

While i was at college i got the opportunity to meet a girl who freely admitted she loved being tickled. My ears shot up when i heard that and i went for it. she started off laughing a lot and enjoyed it but after a while she stopped laughing and started pleading. for a while i kept going. when i eventually stopped she was almost in tears. That taught me a lot about limits. afterwards she was wary about letting me tickle her again, however at uni i tickled her a lot more playfully and she finally relaxed again. so i think as far as tickle torture goes, it depends on how much you listen to your conscience when your 'lee starts to really beg. but personally i much prefer playful tickling now. you get a lot more chances that way.

 

[kis123]

I enjoy the control aspect-I can take the biggest and baddest and if they're ticklish, I can reduce them to a giggling mess!

I'm in it for the fun-we must both be having fun; I get nothing out of "breaking" anyone. I actually hate the term "break" in tickleville; if anyone actually broke me I don't think I could play with them again, or maybe anyone else. I know that sounds strange, but that's how I roll folks. In other words, I enjoy the control but I'm not into domination at all.

Now if this is with a lover, then things could get really interesting.....

 

[ShadowTklr]

Although I've said this many times, and will probably say it many more, the term "torture," for me, is a metaphor for the administration of excruciating pleasure. It exemplifies the point at which the lee can't trust her own ability to withstand the pleasurable sensations and keep her composure at the same time.

When she elicits those pitiful cries for "mercy," I translate them into a feeling of non-consensual pleas, but not because I wish to hurt her, but because I enjoy her acknowledgement that I have brought her to the very precipice of her own pleasure.

 

[ThatPercussionGuy]

Good question Biker,

Everyone has their preference, I would like a 'lee to enjoy being tickled. I would think that it would mean that the session would last longer, safewords and breaks aren't a problem at all, I encourage them actually.

 

[Mastertank1]

For me it's a simple thing...

If the 'lee ain't havin' fun, I ain't havin' fun either!

The more enjoyment I can give my 'lee, the more enjoyment I experience.
If I can give my 'lee multiple orgasms while making her laugh by tickling her, I'm in heaven, even if for some reason we have to stop before I get off.

I'm just wired that way, I guess. 😉

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I think people usually associate "torture" with pain. However, there are many different methods that a person would consider what is torturous such as mental anguish, bordom, even laughing too much could be considered torture.

I believe the word torture in layman's terms when associated with tickling has to do with the lees body reacting to "touches" causing them to burst into fits of laughter uncontrollably. Even though they may like it.

 

[sabaki]

tickle torture

I believe the word torture in layman's terms when associated with tickling has to do with the lees body reacting to "touches" causing them to burst into fits of laughter uncontrollably. Even though they may like it.

Upper body tickling makes my muscles tense and spasm in very uncomfortable ways, and after it goes on for a while it can cause real fear and pain. Also my diaphragm eventually weakens from so much reflexive laughter and that hurts too. Then it gets a little hard to breathe from laughing so much and there is lightheadedness and some nausea, and the panic associated with that...

On my feet it's a different kind of torture. Just unbearable sensation overload. Very hard to describe, but definitely a physically torturous sensation. Overall the mental torture of being out of control is the biggest part of it, for me. It's embarrassing and uncomfortable and feels like an invasion of my body and mind. Those are also some of the reasons why I like it so much.

 

[Mr.Tickler]

Was thinking the other day....I know, insert jokes here.....about tickle torture and what us "lers" really enjoy. So let me ask you this. Is it really torture if the "lee" enjoys it? I mean would you rather tickle torture a "lee" who doesn't like to be tortured but can't help to laugh because she is so ticklish? Or, is it more enjoyable if the "lee" is into it and enjoys being tickle tortured? Is that really torture? Even bringing her to her limits and beyond might be torure for the "lee" that enjoys it but after she'll reflect on the enjoyment of it. The "lee" that doesn't enjoy the torture would still be a voluntary subject of course, but the tickling would be so unbearable. Would htat cause greater enjoyment for the "ler"?

I've never been with a lady that "dug it" and really enacted it all out.That's mainly due to me just even opening up about it on this forum/the net.Even with a friend in public who wouldn't denegrate me for this,or judge at all, I refrain from discussing it.Due o habit, I suppose.If they shared the same fetish, then I'd open up about it.But otherwise I'm still not comfortable with that yet. But I think it'd be better for me to do it on a woman that really enjoyed being the lee.That way, its a mutual pleasure kind of deal.And that's obviously going to go farther erotically.

 

[primetime]

thanks Steph and Bellystrokes, you two are way too kind. Bellystrokes, which one was Godiva? was she the "massage" girl?

i think next time we meet, i could add just a "little" more torture..how does that sound? hehehehehehehehehehehehehe

 

[Redmage]

I think the word "torture" is used mainly for its emotional impact in this case. If the 'lee is enjoying it, then it's not torture in (dare I say) the strict sense of the word.

I think it's a good example of Reason #3 why even non-kinky people should enjoy bondage: it helps you to enjoy sensations that you couldn't hold still for.

 

[brianspencer66]

there are so many diffrent type of lees some like it sensual and playful and some really do want to be taken to the brink so it really boils down to the person who is being tickled and what they can stand... some people really do want to be tickle tortured (with their consent) and well some dont. but a ler must always respect that regardless of what kind of fantasy we as lers and lees harbor

 

[tickle_x-pert]

I totally agree with so many things that were said here, that I can't quote all of you. A good ler definately learns to pay close attention to their lees. I like lees who enjoy being tickled, (whether gentle or torturous). During my sessions, if a certain area appears to be too much for the lee, I ease up; start again on another ticklish spot; and return to that certain area again. Tickling can be very powerful and fun for both the lee & ler. 🙂 😉

 

[simulated]

I think it's a good example of Reason #3 why even non-kinky people should enjoy bondage: it helps you to enjoy sensations that you couldn't hold still for.

Did I miss the rest of this list?

 

[bellystrokes]

thanks Steph and Bellystrokes, you two are way too kind. Bellystrokes, which one was Godiva? was she the "massage" girl?

i think next time we meet, i could add just a "little" more torture..how does that sound? hehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Hey babe, yes, Godiva was that lovely auburn hair massage girl. I was shopping with her over the weekend and she mentioned again how much fun she had and (and this was new to me) how she cannot believe that she didn't break out in major laughter, and figures she might let herself go a bit more next time.

 

[Redmage]

Did I miss the rest of this list?

No, I don't think I posted it. Years ago I put together a list of things that can make bondage fun for anyone, whether they're "kinky" or not. These are basic psychological and physiological reactions that don't depend on any sort of fetish.

Redmage's Top Three Reasons Why Even Non-Kinky People Can Enjoy Bondage

#3: Bondage allows you to experience things (tickling, multiple orgasms, prolonged teasing, etc) that you couldn't hold still for otherwise.

#2: Bondage allows you to surrender control. Many people find that giving up responsibility for what's happening allows them to lose their inhibitions more readily, and just let themselves go.

#1: Bondage lets the bottom throw everything they've got into their responses. Increased muscular tension boosts the intensity of orgasms, and bondage allows you to get that without putting your partner in traction.

 

[seanc130]

Personally, I would much rather have a 'lee who enjoys it. I could get into B&D and D&S, but the S&M just isn't my thing. I don't find anything sexy about pain (well, I *might* enjoy getting a good spanking or something like that, but no serious pain). I don't want to experience it, and I don't want to inflict it. Just not my thing.

Maybe it's just because I have chronic pain myself (in the sternum) that often makes me feel sick and miserable and unable to bear it, but even when I read a tickling story and they talk about the 'agony' or 'anguish' or whatever of the victim, it turns me off. I don't want to hear descriptions of pain -- I want to hear descriptions of laughing. The laughter of a woman being tickled turns me on because laughter is positive, pleasant, sweet, innocent, not painful or uncomfortable or unbearable. In fact, it's not necessary, but my top favourite is stories where the 'lee actually likes and gets off on it by the end.

That being said, I think I see the 'torture' issue as separate from the 'pain or anguish' issue. I enjoy hearing begging, 'no, please, stop' or whatever, and I enjoy the idea of tickling as a 'punishment' -- like in 'you've been bad, I'm afraid you're going to have to pay the penalty' -- but only if it's not *serious* torture, it's just playful. I like the term 'tickle torture', but not in a literal sense -- it's more like a shorthand for 'tickling that's long, sustained, administered with a wicked grin, and at least pretend-nonconsensual, as opposed to momentary and warmly affectionate'. (Not that both kinds aren't good.)

So I say yes to 'torture', but only in a metaphorical sense. I don't enjoy the idea of truly inflicting anguish.