Tickled into passing out dangerous?

[Desparting297]

Speaking from experience, I have been tickled to the point of almost passing out. I'm an asthmatic and I was tickled so much one time that I had suffered an asthma attack and didn't have my inhaler with me. My cousin had to rush into my bag and grab it for me. So laughing till you can't breathe can be a scary thing because it feels like you're going to die and it's not fun. But thats my point of view anyway I don't know about anyone else. So if you're going to tickle someone till they pass out, make sure you know first aid lol.

 

[poopies]

Furthermore, the threat of someone swallowing their tongue is generally only present in people who's nervous systems have been impaired by another foreign substance, such as alchohol a sedative like anesthesia. Simply passing out from lack of oxygen to the brain does not cause all the muscles in the body to relax. Also, you know that thin little flap of skin that connects the front of your tongue to the bottom of your jaw? That keeps your tongue from rolling back into your throat - otherwise, you'd choke to death the first time you slept on your back!

You and Rhiannon are both wrong in this discussion. It is possible for someone who is unconscious and lying on their back to have their tongue muscles relax and block their airway, even without alcohol, however it is impossible to "swallow your tongue," because it is anchored to your mouth. You'd have to cut it out first.

Also, the flap on the base of your tongue, the epiglottis, it doesn't prevent your tongue from rolling back into your throat. It merely blocks the larynx when swallowing food so the food doesn't get lodged in your airway. So, let's say you could swallow your tongue, the epiglottis would block it from going into the larynx, because the act of swallowing causes it to close, however it would still travel down the esophagus.

Also, your tongue can block your airway while you sleep on your back. It's a major cause of sleep apnea.

 

[ticklingfeet4fu]

It's not dangerous.

Speaking from personal experience, tickling someone to the point of unconsiousness is fucking HOT. The sensations overload her nervous system and the sheer volume of nerve activity, added to the somewhat restricted oxygenation of the brain, causes the brain to go, "To hell with this!" and it reboots, knocking the lee out.

Secondly, depriving the lee of oxygen from this is not a danger in any way. Once the physical body is unconsious, it stops responding to certain stimuli, such as tickling (and sexual pleasure...trust me, I know). The very instant the lee passes out, her brain restarts normal lung and diaphragm function and breathing is no longer an issue. This is why it's safe to hold your breath until you pass out - the second you are no longer consious, your brain acts on instinct, and your brain's first instinct is self-preservation.

This type of unconsiousness usually lasts for less than fifteen seconds.

I have found, however, that a great way to thoroughly mind-fuck a helplessly bound lee is to tickle her until she passes out, then (assuming you're that kind of friend with her) switch to sexual stimulation while she is out, when she wakes up in a few moments, she'll be in quite the headspin.

Sadira is a nurse and she works with doctors. They are in full agreement that anybody passing out for ANY reason is dangerous.

The reason is you could creating an issue where someone panics and has a heart attack. Someone could have a medical condition that you don't know about. And maybe THEY don't know about.

We automatically assume that someone is completely healthy when they are getting tickled. That is not always the case. So unless you have a certified letter of complete healthy from a doctor who examined your lee only 24 hours prior it is ALWAYS dangerous. Doctors would NEVER recommend having someone pass out so why would you? I have seen people go to a doctors office and had FULL physical exams and been given a clean bill of health and collapse hours after being given a clean bill of healthy hours prior. Things change in an instant.

I will throw this at you, would you subject yourself to be tickled until you pass out? And don't give me an answer of I am not a lee because you should be able to take exact what you give out at any point in time. If your answer no you wouldn't then you shouldn't do it to someone else.

To say it is NOT dangerous to tickle someone until they pass out is reckless regardless of how well you know your partner. You NEVER know when or WHY a body shuts down.

 

[RChello]

hmm I dunno...

Hey, i had questions regarding the safety of relentless tickling. I would love to tickle my friend to point that she might pass out (she's the type who can't breathe when being tickled that hard) but i read articles on erotic asphyxiation,etc and how it was dangerous and I was wondering if this applied to tickling?

Or is this different since when a person passes out, they stop being ticklish and can breathe again? Has this ever happened to anyone? and how long do you get knocked out for? I don't want to do anything dangerous

maybe ask Classy,Christy L, or Sultrybrunnette what it's like 😀

 

[poopies]

Sdira's is a nurse and she works with doctors. They are in full agreement that anybody passing out for ANY reason is dangerous.

The reason is you could creating an issue where someone panics and has a heart attack. Someone could have a medical condition that you don't know about. And maybe THEY don't know about.

We automatically assume that someone is completely healthy when they are getting tickled. That is not always the case. So unless you have a certified letter of complete healthy from a doctor who examined your lee only 24 hours prior it is ALWAYS dangerous. Doctors would NEVER recommend having someone pass out so why would you? I have seen people go to a doctors office and had FULL physical exams and been given a clean bill of health and collapse hours after being given a clean bill of healthy hours prior. Things change in an instant.

I will throw this at you, would you subject yourself to be tickled until you pass out? And don't give me an answer of I am not a lee because you should be able to take exact what you give out at any point in time. If your answer no you wouldn't then you shouldn't do it to someone else.

To say it is NOT dangerous to tickle someone until they pass out is reckless regardless of how well you know your partner. You NEVER know when or WHY a body shuts down.

You should probably read his other posts after that one.

 

[Redmage]

Anything that renders a person unconscious (outside normal sleep cycles) carries some risk. Obviously some ways carry more risk than others.

Erotic asphyxiation isn't really the issue here. The biggest dangers in that come from two factors: one is that so many people do it by means of strangulation, which can cause fatal damage to the windpipe. And the other is that so many (incredibly stupid) people do it alone: so if they pass out, there's no one to get the cord off their necks or the bags off their heads. And then they die.

Making someone pass out from tickling isn't as risky as that, but it does carry some risk. So I have to wonder, why do it? If it's just for the coolness factor, or bragging rights, then I don't think it's worth it, personally.

 

[Tidas]

Personally, I think it is risky and dumb. Like Redmage said, what is the point really?

 

[rhiannon]

You and Rhiannon are both wrong in this discussion. It is possible for someone who is unconscious and lying on their back to have their tongue muscles relax and block their airway, even without alcohol, however it is impossible to "swallow your tongue," because it is anchored to your mouth. You'd have to cut it out first.

Also, the flap on the base of your tongue, the epiglottis, it doesn't prevent your tongue from rolling back into your throat. It merely blocks the larynx when swallowing food so the food doesn't get lodged in your airway. So, let's say you could swallow your tongue, the epiglottis would block it from going into the larynx, because the act of swallowing causes it to close, however it would still travel down the esophagus.

Also, your tongue can block your airway while you sleep on your back. It's a major cause of sleep apnea.

I know you can't LITERALLY swallow your tongue! You are basically saying what I was saying all along. So I AM right on this one! 😀

 

[solescratcher99]

Yes, it is dangerous. I think even the act of passing out causes a person to lose a large amount of brain cells. Of course, new neuro-pathways are constantly being created by the brain to make up for the loss of brain cells all the time. If one is going to do it, they'd better go get checked out first because even a latent medical condition can cause issues in those situations.

Anyway, I wouldn't do it because I don't really see the need too. The most extreme I get is tickling someone til they wet themselves and that's usually unscripted.

 

[FeatherFeet]

I really don't get it...are some people that desperate to satisfy their kinks that they would literally put someone through that kind of thing?

I mean...it's like the whole cutting yourself kink...there is no way anyone can justify that drawing blood is ever a smart idea...yes sometimes it can be less dangerous than other times, and most of the time you can emerge relativly unharmed...but there are always risks...including infection. It comes down to how much do you want to risk it.

I find it hard to see how doing something like that, being deprived of breath to the point of passing out can possibly be a good thing, and personally, I don't think anyone who really cares about someone would ever want to put someone through that shortness of breath to the point of unconsiousness...but I don't know everything. It just seems to be that if it wasn't such a kink of some people...why would anyone risk it? Which to me, makes the whole act seem a rather selfish-self-gratifying act. And that kind of leaves a bad taste to the whole thing if you ask me.

I could be wrong tho.

 

[ticklebunny 2]

Whoa, man when I read this thread I had to chime in my thoughts and view: um sounds very VERY dangerous and life threatening at most. That sounds freaky I am sorry but that is scary shit. I can't believe Viper that you think this is healthy, not healthy: like many others said and sure that many doctors would say: pertains health risks. It is not a good thing to practice. I mean usually I am the kind of person that if it is legal and not hurting anyone and not really doing harm then ok each their own. But this is EXTREME!!! VERY DANGEROUS and potentially could kill someone whether that be the design or not, even if accidentally-how could one forgive his or her self if a person accidentally died, or worse done to the person-other person dies and other can't stop it. Sounds very sadistic and very NOT a good idea. But guess if there are those that enjoy this dangerous thrill-erotic suffocation, erotic tickle passout guess there is not much that can be done to stop it. People are going to do what they want no matter what-especially in the case of those that favor erotic suffocation using that word since I can't spell that word.

Just think it fair not to spring that kind of thing suddenly to a lee: make sure you make it known and fully understood if you are a person that enjoys that dangerous activity-that way the person that is choosing to be a lee or ler-is intelligently informed and knows what the tickle session involves: same goes if one wants sexual activities to be in the tickle session or wants it just to stay casual tickling session w no sex. Same goes if you have a dangerous kink for erotic suffocation and other scary dangerous sexual acts that involve great risk along with fiercer painful aspects of BDSM with tickling-or if into severe extreme bondage. Only fair. It all boils down once more to very direct and presenting the facts-very blunt and direct -pull no punches communications on one's desires and wants-that way gives the person a exit before a session starts-that way if too intense -a negotiation can get done or compromise, or choose not to tickle play with you or anyone that has a deep passionate kink for extreme bondage and erotic suffocation and other scary things outside his or her comfort zone.

To fail not to intelligently inform a potential lee or potential ler-fail not to produce the negative consequences and bad health risks is not only irresponsible but could prove deadly and just wrong in my book-playing that is not "fair" since the person may or may not know how severe the health risks and dangers could be-just as bad as "downplaying" the severity of this type of dangerous play along with the worse "evil" omitting and leaving this important information out. Sorry hope this don't upset or offend: but this is how I feel on this. Just don't seem "fair"
and sure it would not be something you would want done to you-playing under certain expectations and thoughts-for it to be totally different on you suddenly-something that you might be uncomfortable with or might scare or hurt you. Just voicing how I feel. Sorry not trying to flame, just really Viper and to those of you that feel totally fine to play this way without informing or downplaying severity of the situation and health risks-do you really think it is fair and right to play this way? Would you want this done to you?

 

[ticklemepls]

Whoa, man when I read this thread I had to chime in my thoughts and view: um sounds very VERY dangerous and life threatening at most. That sounds freaky I am sorry but that is scary shit. I can't believe Viper that you think this is healthy, not healthy: like many others said and sure that many doctors would say: pertains health risks. It is not a good thing to practice. I mean usually I am the kind of person that if it is legal and not hurting anyone and not really doing harm then ok each their own. But this is EXTREME!!! VERY DANGEROUS and potentially could kill someone whether that be the design or not, even if accidentally-how could one forgive his or her self if a person accidentally died, or worse done to the person-other person dies and other can't stop it. Sounds very sadistic and very NOT a good idea. But guess if there are those that enjoy this dangerous thrill-erotic suffocation, erotic tickle passout guess there is not much that can be done to stop it. People are going to do what they want no matter what-especially in the case of those that favor erotic suffocation using that word since I can't spell that word.

Just think it fair not to spring that kind of thing suddenly to a lee: make sure you make it known and fully understood if you are a person that enjoys that dangerous activity-that way the person that is choosing to be a lee or ler-is intelligently informed and knows what the tickle session involves: same goes if one wants sexual activities to be in the tickle session or wants it just to stay casual tickling session w no sex. Same goes if you have a dangerous kink for erotic suffocation and other scary dangerous sexual acts that involve great risk along with fiercer painful aspects of BDSM with tickling-or if into severe extreme bondage. Only fair. It all boils down once more to very direct and presenting the facts-very blunt and direct -pull no punches communications on one's desires and wants-that way gives the person a exit before a session starts-that way if too intense -a negotiation can get done or compromise, or choose not to tickle play with you or anyone that has a deep passionate kink for extreme bondage and erotic suffocation and other scary things outside his or her comfort zone.

To fail not to intelligently inform a potential lee or potential ler-fail not to produce the negative consequences and bad health risks is not only irresponsible but could prove deadly and just wrong in my book-playing that is not "fair" since the person may or may not know how severe the health risks and dangers could be-just as bad as "downplaying" the severity of this type of dangerous play along with the worse "evil" omitting and leaving this important information out. Sorry hope this don't upset or offend: but this is how I feel on this. Just don't seem "fair"

couldnt have said it better myself!!! agreed! although i love being tickled and often once wondered what it would be like to actually be tickled to that point... im too much of a "its gotta be safe" type of person to follow through with it... I think WAAAAAAYYYY to many things could go wrong...

There are people who are into that kind of thing- but I STRONGLY suggest not just springing it on someone at the last second.... just my thought

 

[reti1]

Oh wow, thanks for the feedback. Even though we seem divided over my question, its informative to see what views of the community is. Thanks Viper for your views as well as your personal experience (primary source! =D) and now I know I'm not that crazy to think that the idea of tickling someone into passing out is very hot. Your replies are kinda insightful. However, it does appear that this fantasy is in the minority of the community (le sigh~)

From what I can see, the point mostly being debated here is if making someone faint is an acceptable risk. Many many things have risks, ranging from swimming alone, to swimming with a life guard, to holding someone under water out of...fun?. But anyways, the point is, acceptable risk. A lot of you feel that the perceived risks outweigh the benefits (it doesnt get seem to get you off lolz). However, it's also apparent that we're kinda speculating around some points (arguing over tongue swallowing, but not literal tongue swallowing, but tongue-blocking-airway-if-laying-on-your-back, but not tongue-blocking-airway-if-on-your-side-or-sleeping-for-some-reason). If people want to continue debating over this (please do btw), it would very helpful references were cited (doctor told me this, following site said blah)

Currently, I'm trying to how exactly fainting from tickling would fall under (there are actually many types of fainting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncope_%28medicine%29)

I've also read about something called laughter-induced syncope which is where you faint from laughing too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughter-induced_syncope

And while oxygen deprivation to the brain carries risks of cell death, this risk is proportional to the time of oxygen deprivation. Since the person tends to be lying down, (more blood flow to the brain), and since the person resumes breathing after fainting, its very possible that oxygen deprivation will certainly be below the 5 minutes when cell death starts to happen from acidosis.

So if anyone has sourced arguments or just wanted to throw their opinion out there, feel free~ (any med students out there?) Thanks again~

 

[Filthyweasel]

Someone laughing enough to pass out will at one point be gasping for air. Hyperventilating introduces the danger of suffering a pneumothorax. Basically a collapsed lung, where the lung wall will burst and leak air into the chest cavity. This results in a visit to the ER where you would get a nice big local anesthetic in your armpit and a hose shoved between your ribs. Yes...personal experience. I was kept in for a week to monitor the natural healing, and on the very final day the hole bust open wide once again, because...drumroll...of me laughing. My visiting parents said something funny, and with the effect of the pain killers I got the giggles, then all of a sudden I saw the water that was used to monitor the air escape erupt in a torrent of bubbles. Later that day I was on the table getting my lung stapled shut. Granted, the lung wall was already weak, but this can happen to people who sneeze too hard. Hard, uncontrolled laughing can easily do it, and the skinnier the person is, the easier it is for it to happen. Right from the surgeon's mouth. The one that did my hernia yesterday reiterated it too last week during my evaluation appointment when the conversation got around to past surgeries.

So yeah, if you like getting tickled that sadistically, to each his own. But everyone is an individual with different inner workings, and no amount of booksmarts on BDSM safety can override that. From what it takes to tickle a person into passing out, the act of tickling to that extent can alone cause injury.

 

[poopies]

I know you can't LITERALLY swallow your tongue! You are basically saying what I was saying all along. So I AM right on this one! 😀

My mistake! I guess you were right after all 🙂 You can never be sure if people mean that literally or figuratively.

 

[rhiannon]

A lot of you feel that the perceived risks outweigh the benefits (it doesnt get seem to get you off lolz).

So, tell me: What ARE the benefits of tickling someone to the point that they pass out? By the way, afterwards the fun is over, because the person will most likely have a big ass headache.

My mistake! I guess you were right after all

Hey, I'm ALWAYS right. 😉 It's genetic! 😀

 

[ViperGTS]

So, tell me: What ARE the benefits of tickling someone to the point that they pass out? By the way, afterwards the fun is over, because the person will most likely have a big ass headache.

When I was with my ex and she would pass out from the combination of tickling/sexual pleasure, she told me that when she came to, it was like all the sensations that built up during the time I played with her while she was unconsious would hit her all at oncem like a tidal wave.

Also, she never had a headache - she just walked funny for half an hour after I untied her.

Hey, I'm ALWAYS right. 😉 It's genetic! 😀

Really? I mean we all know you're full of yourself, but did you HAVE to post this?

 

[rhiannon]

When I was with my ex and she would pass out from the combination of tickling/sexual pleasure, she told me that when she came to, it was like all the sensations that built up during the time I played with her while she was unconsious would hit her all at oncem like a tidal wave.

Interesting. But it probably isn't like that for everybody I would guess.

Also, she never had a headache - she just walked funny for half an hour after I untied her.

Just speaking from experience here. I passed out several times, always felt horrible afterwards.

Really? I mean we all know you're full of yourself, but did you HAVE to post this?

I thought two smileys were enough to clarify that I was joking. Maybe I should have used those:

 

[Gadilici]

Ok, I'm not getting into the good idea/bad idea part of this. I can tell you that whether you believe breath play (either by choking or tickling) is safe or not, there are times when it is dangerous. I tickled a woman on a St Andrew's cross. The knees got weak as expected, but I forgot she was on a cross. She started to feel dizzy. She told me she was about to pass out, and I immediately remembered my basic physiology; you die of asphyxiation when crucified. So yeah, if she woulda passed out, it woulda been dangerous. I don't know if I coulda got her unhooked (if she blacked out) before her lungs started to fill up. Gotta be very careful in vertical crucifix position.

So regardless of your position on safe/dangerous, there are times when there is no arguing the potential danger.

And yeah, there are some people who dig being taken beyond the physical limit. Way back about 12 years ago, at a BDSM party, a bunch of the dommes who worked at the hosting dungeon flew down to the basement play area. A guy had not used the safeword and finally just passed out from the pain. The girls were registered EMTs, and he was fine. It's not terribly uncommon in serious S&M. He didn't want it to stop, and just passed out.

So yup, there are definitely people who would love to be tickled until they passed out.

Y'all can go back to debating good thing/bad thing now 😉

Christopher

 

[Filthyweasel]

I tickled a woman on a St Andrew's cross.

Lemme just call attention to the fact that the flag of my country is a bondage device. hellz yeah

 

[Ayla ny]

If I am so vulnerable that I may pass out... I don't worry because I am being guarded by my 'Ler.

Sounds corny but it's true.

 

[leafstk]

Nice to see you, Ayla 🙂 I think if its "safe, sane and consensual"... than it might be okay, given that the ler is indeed caring for his/her lee....

But all the same, I think it would freak me out and I want things to be fun... sure its great to go with extreme tickling, but if you are reading your partner, you also know when to give him/her a break, lol.... right? RIGHT? 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

The question is, how safe can it actually be? I strongly believe the risk that comes with it can not be controlled or calculated.

 

[leafstk]

Waiting for Jeff to put his stamp on this one also, lol

 

[tickmankyle1]

i'm kinda a puss i say my safe word like 10 times in a 15 minute session. but i love every minute of it. being tickled past my limits i can see but till you pass out no.