Tickling as a paid service..right or wrong?

[tickleboynyc]

Re: Let's put an end to this, okay?

ps The session I had just recently with Red was so great! As you can tell, if you've read his post, we both had a wonderful time and I can't wait to tickle him again!

Shannon [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Shannon,
did you read my last post about my particular fetish ? ( foot and tickling fetish? )🙂

 

[Shannon]

lol rocks

Well, there is something to be said about being horny after a session and being able to "get your rocks off" lol

I do allow, as Dtrell pointed out 🙂 my victims to relieve themselves in a respectful way. I'm not heartless you know! lol

Thanks for the compliment about making myself "useful" but um I always was.

 

[Bagelfather]

Paying for tickling

Is paying for tickling okay?

Hey people paid top dollar for Pet Rocks, Billy Bob Beer, and those inside the egg scramblers.

If there is a market I say go for it, as long as it isn't endangering anyone or such an imense violation of social norms (e.g. kids, the dead, etc).

We live in a society where it is okay to see someone shot on tv but forget seeing someone's genitalia! Yup a bullet in the head is quite okay for young Billy or Suzy to see, but don't talk about sexuality!

I look at it also from this angle, my brother figured out how to play video games for a living, write about them, and get paid so why the heck not tickling. If people paid me $20 to hit them with my dirty socks I would! By the way look for my new website www.iwillhityouwithdirtysocks.com

coming soon to the web near you!

 

[Shannon]

dirty sock fetish

Hi Bagelfather! I LOVE that nickname by the way! lolol

Thanks for the support! Yep, it's like anything else out there that people have both loved to do and made money from doing it.

It's safe, sane and exhilerating so why not! No pain is ever involved and the dead and any other wierd thing are NEVER involved! ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lolol

I think you may just find some takers in that sock beating fetish, so give it a whirl! lol You never know!

 

[Phineas]

'ey Shannon...

just out of curiosity...

As you can tell, if you've read his post, we both had a wonderful time and I can't wait to tickle him again!

would you be as willing to tickle him again if he wasn't going to pony up the dough?

 

[dtrell]

phineas, obviously youre throwing that out as a rhetorical question...you already know the answer...

 

[Phineas]

Despite my own preconceptions, I'm curious as to what her response will be, actually.

 

[milagros317]

If your dentist likes you enough, will he or she give you dental work for free? If your chiropractor really enjoyed working on your back, will he or she give you free treatments in the future? Not likely.

I have no problem with Shannon saying she enjoyed the session, but still expecting to be paid for the next one.

 

[Phineas]

yes, but is your dentist trying to pass himself off as a simple tooth-lover working his craft purely for the love of the process with the fees for services rendered merely a pleasant afterthought?

I have no problem with someone enjoying what they do for a living... but are those webcam girls really hot, horny, and waiting for *me*, or any poor slob with a credit card to come along?

it's just thinly-veiled marketing in a business that caters to fantasies. sometimes I wish I could forget that, but... *shrug* 😀

Rio put it best; she's pulled this stunt before so it's not like she didn't know what she was doing. It's all an act in a business where acting is paramount.

oh yea, I'm still taking appointments at a mere fraction of Shannon's. $15 an hour ladies, can't go wrong there. 😀

 

[cecilia]

Re: 'ey Shannon...

just out of curiosity...



would you be as willing to tickle him again if he wasn't going to pony up the dough?

I think this is a reasonable question. Shannon has said, "My hourly fee is less than professional tickling doms and half of them don't LOVE it. I DO." I don't think that the fact that Shannon loves it is relevant to anything. It doesn't make her preferable to other professionals: if I were going to pay someone to tickle me, I wouldn't care at all if he enjoyed it; I'd care whether he was good at it. If he was doing a good job, then I'd be getting what I wanted, what I'd paid for, and it wouldn't matter to me whether he was enjoying it too because he would already be getting something out of it (the money). If my back were sore and I wanted a massage therapist, I'd ask around for one that did it well, not one that enjoyed it -- that wouldn't be relevant. Moreover, the fact that Shannon "loves" or "enjoys" tickling doesn't make a paid tickling session less "impersonal" (her phrase), i.e., more like an act of friendship and less like a business transaction. Even if she does enjoy it, she's not doing it out of friendship, the proof being that without the money, she wouldn't be doing it. Shannon says, "I've kept in contact with my past clients...and I would be happy to treat them to a friendly drink or dinner so it's not as impersonal as it may seem". Shannon, would you also be happy to TREAT your past clients to a drink or dinner? Or would they treat you or would you go Dutch? I got together with someone from the Forum and he treated me to a drink at a bar and then I offered him some food at my place. The point is that in a "personal" relationship, there's mutual giving, but in your case, what are you really giving as opposed to taking or selling? If the answer is "nothing", then it's a massage therapist/client type of relationship; it isn't a personal relationship.

 

[Phineas]

thank you, cecilia...

that's basically what I was trying to say in a very concise nutshell.

 

[Shannon]

oh brother

All right everyone. Shall we go over this ONE more time? Really.

Cecilia said that the fact that I love to tickle is what I do is absolutely silly. I don't know whether you like to be tickled by someone who could give a crap if you were enjoying yourself or not, but I do and I know alot of others in here who wold probably agree.

The fact that I do really enjoy what I do enHANCes a tickle session for most people, but hey, if you get off on someone thinking things like, "la de da I wonder what's on tv, maybe friends will be on tonight" as they tickle you, more power to ya, but wow. THAT'S impersonal.

I'd much rather be tickled by someone who got off on it. Gee, who could I be talking about? hehe I'd much rather feel their excitement as they tickle me, thus exciting me even more. To be bored with one's job is a crime, I think. But that's just me.

I don't only enjoy it. I'm good at it, beCUZ I love it. Get it?

A massage therapist is not a fetishist. I think the massage therapist would care whether it felt good because it's a part of the whole thing, but I don't think it's necessary for him/her to enjoy it for it to be just as worth it. It's a profession. Not a fetish although some fetishes are professions. So a massage therapist's enjoyment level is irrelevant.

A tickle session with me is peronal on a basic level. How can it be truly personal when you're meeting someone for the first time? You have to actually know someone for it to be personal, don't you? The way that I make it semi personal is the fact that I like to talk to my clients before our tickle session begins. I care about how they feel and I want to know as much about their ideal fantasy as I can so that it can be fulfilling yet non sexual.

I care about how the bonds feel, are they too tight? I offer breaks in between for refreshment. It's very conversational. I'm not into fear. To answer Cecilia's question whether I'd do it without being paid, is no. I'll be honest. I love what I do and I'm getting paid for it. Big deal. Those who don't want to pay, don't and those who want to, book sessions with me 🙂 No one is forced into tickle slavery but that would really rule don't you think?!

Cecilia also remarked that I said, "I've kept in contact with my past clients...and I would be happy to treat them to a friendly drink or dinner so it's not as impersonal as it may seem".

She went on to say, Shannon, would you also be happy to TREAT your past clients to a drink or dinner? Or would they treat you or would you go Dutch? In answer, Celilia, I believe I said just that in my post that you quoted? Read above, it says "would be happy to TREAT them...."

On one hand Cecilia is impersonal with the fact that she wouldn't care if her tickler enjoyed himself or not and that it was irrelevant, but then she says that she let a guy she met through the TMF (which is GREAT!) to buy her a drink and then she took him home to her place for some food. Okay, now that's personal!

There's the difference with me. Yes, this is a paid private tickling service and I care about the comfort of my clients, but I don't invite guys into my home and I don't go to their's without my "guardian angel" nearby. I don't meet them for drinks alone.

I'm not looking for a date, a partner or anything else. I am a tickle mistress who wants to create fantasies for those who desire them in the way they're offered and nothing more.

This isn't about sex, it isn't about companionship. It's about fantasy!!

So if you want to think that I bring nothing to the table, that is your choice, but I believe I do.

On another note, I don't ship to Ohio for personal reasons. I don't because I don't. I understand being curious, but would you like it if someone kept asking why you chose to do something? Wouldn't you get sick of it after a while? Sorry if that came out harsh.

Also, Phineas there are some phone sex artists and webgirls out there who ARE hot, horny and waiting just for you and your credit card, but most aren't. They're just doing it for the money. Now do you see the difference?

I'm getting really tired of being attacked so if you have something positive to say, please feel free to email me at [email protected]

 

[SimplyRio]

The resurrection of a buried thread... Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, may I present blatant opportunistic exploitation for FREE ADVERTISING in a discussion forum.

 

[Shannon]

this is getting old

Rio, if you'd read my last post, it is in response to questions and comments put forth by two OTHER people. I'm reSPONDing to them.
THEY are the one's who are "advertising" so why don't you leave me out of it? Why don't you ask them why they're dredging up a buried thread?

sorry, but this is just bs lol

 

[Phineas]

Also, Phineas there are some phone sex artists and webgirls out there who ARE hot, horny and waiting just for you and your credit card, but most aren't. They're just doing it for the money. Now do you see the difference?

...no?

 

[Shannon]

you don't Phineas??

The difference with the people on the net and phone that really do love what they're doing as apposed to those who do it just for the money is that there is mutual enjoyment, not just a one sided thing where all the person cares about is money.

It's like when you have to drag your boy or girlfriend somewhere, knowing that they really don't want to go and can't wait to get it over with when you're really looking forward to it. It takes the fun right out of it for most people...

To each his own, but I believe that it adds so much more to things when both parties are enjoying themselves.

 

[Iggy pop]

Re: Re: 'ey Shannon...

I think this is a reasonable question. Shannon has said, "My hourly fee is less than professional tickling doms and half of them don't LOVE it. I DO." I don't think that the fact that Shannon loves it is relevant to anything. It doesn't make her preferable to other professionals: if I were going to pay someone to tickle me, I wouldn't care at all if he enjoyed it; I'd care whether he was good at it. If he was doing a good job, then I'd be getting what I wanted, what I'd paid for, and it wouldn't matter to me whether he was enjoying it too because he would already be getting something out of it (the money). If my back were sore and I wanted a massage therapist, I'd ask around for one that did it well, not one that enjoyed it -- that wouldn't be relevant

In my experience the people who enjoy their work are usually the best at it. If a person doesn't enjoy what he or she is doing then they are usually are not very good. I think the main thing here is that paying for sex(I think the tickling going on here is a sexual stimuli) is a taboo in our society(and most societies really) You don't have the same taboos paying fro massage therapy, dentistry, or chiropratic therapy(I don't know if that is the correct terminology) Sex(and tickling) is something you are suppose to get for free. If you pay for it then you are considered "hard up" If you have a toothache and go to the dentist then nobody says, "you paid someone to work on your teeth. What are you hard up or something. You can't get tooth word done free" You might hear the neighbors say a nice dentist and his family moved in across the street the other day. I hear has a nice little practice downtown. You probably will not hear from your neighbors them say a nice ***** and her family moved in across the street the other day. I hear she has a nice little practice downtown. Is this right or wrong. I don't know.

 

[Phineas]

Re: you don't Phineas??

The difference with the people on the net and phone that really do love what they're doing as apposed to those who do it just for the money is that there is mutual enjoyment, not just a one sided thing where all the person cares about is money.

...and yet you just admitted that you would quit tickling if you couldn't get paid for it. So for you, it is all about the money regardless of how much enjoyment you claim to get out of the experience.

I've never condemned you for offering this "service"; I've never come right out and said "Shannon, you should stop doing what you're doing because what it's wrong." All I have said is that all of your assertations about how much you claim to love your "job" are ringing hollow to me because of the fact that IT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING PAID FOR. You yourself just admitted that if you acted like you didn't care the experience would be ruined.

There are doctors who go off and work for the Red Cross treating war victims in the Congo, or lawyers who do lots of Pro Bono work for clients who can't afford it because they're truly dedicated to their profession. I own a video game company; I get paid to do what I love (write games). But before I founded this company I wrote games for free, as a hobby, because I loved to do it. If the company folded tommorow I'd keep writing games on the side for free again because it's what I like to do.

To me, there is no enjoyment in tickling or any other such personal activity if the other person isn't into it because of *me*. They have to truly enjoy doing said activity to *me*, or with *me*. And as a result I don't use services such as yours, phone sex lines, strippers, escorts, or anything of that nature because I'm well aware that the main (and often, the only) reason the woman is putting up with what I want her to do is because there's a hefty fee involved. It doesn't matter how much fun you claim to have had with redway. you'll have just as much fun with the next goob who E-mails you for an appointment because his money is just as good as reddy's was.

There will always be whackjobs like MoM ('scuse me, WomenAskForIt) who go to such professionals precisely because it's impersonal... but I doubt they buy the hype about how much you love their company because they *know* you'll love mine just as much if I've brought my credit card.

Cynical? Maybe, but in a perfect world nobody would *have* to pay to have their fetishes indulged...

 

[Deleted member 2452]

people are protesting too much.

please people ,if you don't like shannon, or her service, then by all means don't go to her. but we now have 5 pages of trashing the woman, just cause she is making some money along with getting to tickle willing victims. that's the key here, the people that she tickles are WILLING! i truely believe some of you are jealous. maybe you're not good looking enough for someone to pay you to tickle them, maybe you have some puritan ethic about sexual activities. fine, but stop all this needless bashing already!

shannon, if you ever come to the chicago area, let me know, we'll have a few laughs together.

steve

 

[venray]

1 Is paying for tickling wrong. I dont believe so.

2 Is advertising a service wrong. No

3 Is posting an ad in the personals section about a gathering
or 1 on 1 get together without noting in the post that a fee
is involved wrong.

Yes that is wrong.

If you have no problem with charging a fee you should have no problem
with posting that fact within the ad instead of letting people believe differently BEFORE they email you. The problem is that you would get fewer responses which is bad for business.

The point is now moot as we all know she charges. I suggest we let this thread die for now. I also suggest to Shannon that she be up front in any future ad that she charges a fee and no one willl have a problem with that.


Ven

 

[TickledToDeath]

Bottom line is that it is definitely better to be tickled by someone who genuinly enjoys tickling as opposed to someone who couldn't care less or is NOT into tickling.

The only problem here that started this whole "discussion" is that the initial post was not as clear as it should have or could have been. It really has nothing to do with whether or not Shannon charges for her tickle services!
Shit, think about it kiddies! If you could make money tickling someone, not friends, I mean having "clients" like a therapist and tickling was the therapy you provided and people paid you X dollars per hour for your services and therapy sessions, you would be in your glory. The fact that the original post was unclear not so much as misleading really as it did not appear as a "Personal Ad"
This shouldn't turn into a "Stoning"(See the play, "The Lottery"){then again, nothing wrong with getting stoned😉 😀 from time to time}
A Tickling maybe. If I were a Judge in this Kangaroo Court, I would sentense Shannon to a merciless Tickling of which she receives NO compensation, for............3 Hours.
BUT
I am not a judge and her post did not affect me in any way however I do have an understanding of why a few got a tad bit miffed after finding out Shannons' Tickling Enterprises was just that and not a casual affair or friendship search.

Be that as it may.....call off the Lynch Mob especially now that we know who is who and what is what for how much.😉 😀


TTD

 

[cecilia]

Re: oh brother

Shannon says:

All right everyone. Shall we go over this ONE more time? Really.

Cecilia said that the fact that I love to tickle is what I do is absolutely silly.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me.
I don't know whether you like to be tickled by someone who could give a crap if you were enjoying yourself or not, but I do and I know alot of others in here who wold probably agree.
The fact that I do really enjoy what I do enHANCes a tickle session for most people, but hey, if you get off on someone thinking things like, "la de da I wonder what's on tv, maybe friends will be on tonight" as they tickle you, more power to ya, but wow. THAT'S impersonal.

I never said that I liked to be tickled by someone who "could give a crap" about whether I was enjoying myself or not. I said that if I were paying for it, then I wouldn't care whether HE was enjoying himself because he'd already be getting something out of it (the money). I said that I WOULD care if he were doing a good job. "Doing a good job" would mean making sure I was enoying myself, paying attention to my reactions, etc. If he was wondering what was on t.v. instead of paying attention to me, then he wouldn't be doing a good job. There is a difference between enjoying what one is doing and taking pride in doing something well and the two are not necessarily connected. I don't doubt that massage therapists take pride in their ability to make their clients feel good. I doubt that they get off on massaging their clients...or that they enjoy it the way they enjoy massaging personal friends and lovers.

I'd much rather be tickled by someone who got off on it. Gee, who could I be talking about? hehe I'd much rather feel their excitement as they tickle me, thus exciting me even more. To be bored with one's job is a crime, I think. But that's just me.

I don't only enjoy it. I'm good at it, beCUZ I love it. Get it?

A massage therapist is not a fetishist. I think the massage therapist would care whether it felt good because it's a part of the whole thing, but I don't think it's necessary for him/her to enjoy it for it to be just as worth it. It's a profession. Not a fetish although some fetishes are professions. So a massage therapist's enjoyment level is irrelevant.

What makes something a fetish? The fact that it's sexual? Tickling
doesn't have to be sexual. Some people enjoy it much the same way they enjoy a massage (the fact that there's an escape reflex and restraint doesn't make it sexual). I'm like that: I like it as a playful part of a relationship but I also just like the physical sensations in and of themselves. It would be nice if there were "massage and tickling" centers where you could lie down in restraints and get tickled in a completely nonsexual way, exactly the way you'd get a massage. Then men who want sexual tickling could get it from a prostitute and men (and women) who want nonsexual tickling could get it a lot cheaper than $150 an hour.

A tickle session with me is peronal on a basic level. How can it be truly personal when you're meeting someone for the first time? You have to actually know someone for it to be personal, don't you? The way that I make it semi personal is the fact that I like to talk to my clients before our tickle session begins. I care about how they feel and I want to know as much about their ideal fantasy as I can so that it can be fulfilling yet non sexual.

People who meet through personal ads can do the same thing (and I think, generally do). Those people are each "bringing something at the table". What you're doing is selling something at the table.

I care about how the bonds feel, are they too tight? I offer breaks in between for refreshment. It's very conversational. I'm not into fear. To answer Cecilia's question whether I'd do it without being paid, is no.

Actually, that was Phineas's question.

I'll be honest. I love what I do and I'm getting paid for it. Big deal. Those who don't want to pay, don't and those who want to, book sessions with me 🙂 No one is forced into tickle slavery but that would really rule don't you think?!

Cecilia also remarked that I said, "I've kept in contact with my past clients...and I would be happy to treat them to a friendly drink or dinner so it's not as impersonal as it may seem".

She went on to say, Shannon, would you also be happy to TREAT your past clients to a drink or dinner? Or would they treat you or would you go Dutch? In answer, Celilia, I believe I said just that in my post that you quoted? Read above, it says "would be happy to TREAT them...."

Sorry, Shannon, but I inadvertantly misquoted that sentence. What you actually said in your post of 11/1 was "I'd be happy to meet them for a friendly dinner, drink, whatever". That's right, you said "MEET", not "TREAT". So the question remains, would you treat them or be treated or go Dutch?

On one hand Cecilia is impersonal with the fact that she wouldn't care if her tickler enjoyed himself or not and that it was irrelevant, but then she says that she let a guy she met through the TMF (which is GREAT!) to buy her a drink and then she took him home to her place for some food. Okay, now that's personal!

I said that if I were PAYING the tickler, I wouldn't care if he were enjoying himself. But I've never done that. If I'm getting tickled and tickling without any exchange of money, then, yes, it IS a personal relationship, even if it's a short term, non sexual one, and I certainly would care if he were enjoying it. I'd also want generosity and reciprocity to be part of the relationship.

There's the difference with me. Yes, this is a paid private tickling service and I care about the comfort of my clients, but I don't invite guys into my home and I don't go to their's without my "guardian angel" nearby. I don't meet them for drinks alone.

I'm not looking for a date, a partner or anything else. I am a tickle mistress who wants to create fantasies for those who desire them in the way they're offered and nothing more.

This isn't about sex, it isn't about companionship. It's about fantasy!!

So if you want to think that I bring nothing to the table, that is your choice, but I believe I do.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "bringing something to the table". Of course you're prividing something, for a fee, that people want enough to pay for. To me, "bringing" has connotations of "giving" and you're not doing that. Is selling tickling right or wrong? Well, what do you mean by right or wrong? If the question is "Do you have a right to do it, no one's saying you don't. But the question under debate seems to be "Is there anything generous about it" and you seem to be suggesting that there is. I don't see what. Organizing or hosting a gathering might be considered generous; people who do that expend a certain amount of effort to provide other people with the opportunity to tickle and get tickled and they don't make any profit out of it.

Cecilia

 

[venray]

The only problem here that started this whole "discussion" is that the initial post was not as clear as it should have or could have been. It really has nothing to do with whether or not Shannon charges for her tickle services!
TTD

No Ed..we have not been referring to THIS post, but to the others that have been posted by Shannon in other areas of the forum as personals or gathering/get togethers.

It would be the same as if you posted a thread about coming to a New Years get together and then telling everyone there was a $100.00 charge to come AFTER they contacted you to accept.

Sort of like that "Oh by the way" mentality.

I merely suggest that anyone who charges or intends to charge a fee should say so within the body of the post so that those that do not pay fees to tickle or to get together will not waste their time responding. That's all....😀



Ray

 

[dtrell]

ray...might i suggest closing this thread now....

 

[FisForPhonics]

why dont cecelia and shannon have a tickle fight to settle this once & for all. place your bets. oh, and i'll volunteer to referee.