Tickling - Erotic or platonic?

[nytoetapper1]

The tickling that you refer to is more of a caress. I'm not going into details, but my wife very much enjoys what I do to her in that aspect. But I make a distinction between those spidery caresses and tickling.

In my view, tickling is defined best by Webster's Dictionary's second definition, "to touch (as a body part) lightly so as to excite the surface nerves and cause uneasiness, laughter, or spasmodic movements". The laughter and squirming is the effect I seek.

My wife and I will occasionally get into brief tickle fights. Emphasis on BRIEF. These are playfull and usually initiated by her. Being stronger and more experienced, I usually end them 😉 . But she does not like to let me just hold her legs and tickle her feet to my fill (as I would like to do). No tip can change how she feels about it. Only she can change that. But I have had platonic friends who let me tickle them virtually without limits.

As for your question about tickling the groin area or breasts, let me ask you this... Would you touch a platonic friend's privates? Likely not. So tickling them is the same. Hands off. Neck, pits, ribs, tummy, hips, thighs, knees, and feet are all in bounds. Groin and breasts are out of bounds. Platonic tickling would likely not even go there.

And even if on one or both sides some arousal occurred, unless the participants act on it, it is harmless. As higher, intelligent beings we have the ability to make choices. We are not complete slaves to instinct and emotion (mostly). It all boils down to respect. Respect for your 'lee and significant other(if they are not the same person). But that's true of all aspects of a relationship, not just a tickling relationship.

Sorry for running on, but that's where I stand. Iluv2tkl, keep doing what you're doing man. I'm sure that you are helping people, lurkers and members alike.

Tickle on!

 

[iluv2tkl]

I see

I also already knew of it, but I mentioned groin and such as areas of arousel when tummy and hips, even armpits can be arousing areas as well. Nearly every area of the body can be arousing when tickled there. I also don't feel that a little arousel is ok when it is with someone that arousel should not be pleasent with. I don't tickle females besides my fiance. Because we are human and either I or the one I am tickling would be prone to enjoy it too much.

I thought that you likely did some tickling with you wife. Tickling is tickling whether it is pleasing or causes jerky sensations which can be signs of pleasure as well. Furthermore, I doubt Mr. Webster was a tickle lover. Science has catagorized tickling as light and pleasing or intense and electrical, but depending on who you are tickling, where, and how, they may feel either or both of these forms.

What you and your wife agree to is fine. I don't expect you to ever say that maybe you or those you tickle might enjoy it a little too much which may borderline enjoying something that only you and your wife would share. For you to admit that would mean you would feel like you need to stop tickling other females, and we all know you do not want to do that. Neither would I. I am just thankful mine likes to be tickled.

My main point is this. If you are married, you your body and it's ability to give and recieve physical pleasure of any kind, is reserved for your spouse. Usually, every time someone seeks any form of pleasure that they are not getting from their spouse, it ends up backfiring.

I would never, in a million years, be able to understand or believe a straight man who likes to tickle when he says that he can tickle an attractive females bare tummy or feet and not enjoy it in a more than just innocent fun manner. I would also question his definition of innocent fun.

I gotta say something about this.... you said,
"And even if on one or both sides some arousal occurred, unless the participants act on it, it is harmless. As higher, intelligent beings we have the ability to make choices. We are not complete slaves to instinct and emotion (mostly)."

Now to me, this looks like one big contradiction. You think that arousel is harmless if you do not act on it?
Arousel caused by male to female actions should tip you off that maybe you need to not do it!
What do you call acting on it?
If one or both of you begin getting aroused, do you stop tickling? How can you if you do not know they are getting aroused?
Could you honestly say that if you were tickling a female friend and you started getting aroused that you would immediately stop?
Don't say you would. Now about the higher intelligent beings thing lol. Yeah, that we may be, but how come rape still occurs?
Why do we have prisons full of sexual offenders. Because sometimes, us higher beings make bad choices.
Your last point in your quote above really sounded weak, as if you know deep down it is not as true as you would like it to be.
You used the words "not complete" and "mostly". You admitted that we are at times slaves to instinct. You are right.
The human body operates on instincts. When you see something you like, you want it. When you like something, you do it.
This is how it happens nearly every time if not everytime. We indeed are slaves to instinct. The key is to avoid certain triggers for that instinct. If tickling turns me on at all, then I should not tickle anyone but my wife. If tickling turns others on, then we should not tickle them if we are married. You may also never know if it is turning someone on or not.

To me it sounds like you are trying to justify what you love when your own words point that you are not deeply sold on if it is right.
However, like I said before, that is between you and your wife. If she has no problem with it, then you go boy! Lucky you!

 

[nytoetapper1]

In rebuttal

Firstly, I am quite sure of my position. I used the terms "not complete slaves to instinct and emotion (mostly)" because I know too many people who allow themselves to be. It is easy and convenient to be so. Strength of will is all it takes to turn away from temptation. Avoiding triggers doesn't make you strong, quite the opposite. Not to brag, but I have had women, who knew I was married, offer me sex. I turned them down flat, because of my devotion to my wife. There are lines that should not be crossed, but you and I disagree on what those lines are.

You say my statement was a contradiction. I through "not complete" and "mostly" in there because I cannot speak for all humankind. But later you prove my point:

"Don't say you would. Now about the higher intelligent beings thing lol. Yeah, that we may be, but how come rape still occurs?
Why do we have prisons full of sexual offenders. Because sometimes, us higher beings make bad choices."

Choices. That is the point. People choose what they do. They are not mindless robots whose instinct and emotions are the programming.

As for rape, rape is a crime of power. It has little to do with sex. Millions of men (and women) go to strip clubs and then go home to their spouses. There has not been a case where a man has successfully claimed that he got aroused at a strip club and then was forced to rape because of his instinct and emotion. Most of those who rape have deep seeded psychological issues and/or chemical imbalances. These problems cloud an individual's ability to make the right CHOICES. Just as alcohol and drugs could.

For this, I ask the group to respond. Especially those who have said that tickling is mainly platonic.

"I would never, in a million years, be able to understand or believe a straight man who likes to tickle when he says that he can tickle an attractive females bare tummy or feet and not enjoy it in a more than just innocent fun manner. I would also question his definition of innocent fun. "

Just because you can't understand it that doesn't invalidate it. You and I obviously have very different opinions on a number of subjects, but I would not doubt the sincerity or integrity of your belief just because I don't agree with it. To coin a phrase, " we must agree to disagree".

I have no need to justify to anyone how I feel about things. You are the lucky one, my friend. To have a life partner who shares in something that is a part of who you are. I am luck because I have a partner who is enlightened and who knows, loves, and trusts me completely, as I do her (totally, not mostly 😉 ). I hope I didn't come off as angry or attacking. Hopefully our open discussion will be of some help to others.

I eagerly await your response.

 

[iluv2tkl]

here it is

I believe that our differences stem from the different relationships we have. You, love a woman, who trusts you enough to let you tickle others. I have a woman that enjoys it sexually just as much as I do. For me to tickle another female would be a horrible thing because we share the same sexual pleasure in it. However, I must realize that you are not me. My views come from several aspects. One of which being that I am a man, and know what we are cable of thinking about women. Actually, I am sure that one thing we do have in common is strength. You may have pulled from my posts that I am an out of control tickle feind. Well, maybe I am , but it is only to my woman. This is why I refrain from tickling other females. For me, it is a good idea not to, why would I need to anyway?

I do not remember you answering my doubt of the time you said if the ler or lee gets a little aroused, so be it, and that it is only wrong if you act on it. I cannot agree here. Really I do not know what to say to that. You basically pardoned feelings of sexual arousel for ler or lee, and you are a married man. Are you saying that if it turns you on some, then you shouldn't have to stop?
Are you saying that if your female lee gets aroused, then it is ok as long as neither of you act on it? Would your wife be ok with you doing it if she found out that either you or your lee where aroused, even if it was not acted on? If your relationship with her is that open then I suppose she might, but it sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. As I have said before, that is between both of you.

I am trying to put myself in your shoes. If I loved tickling, and my wife didn't. Yeah, I would do the same as you and find someone to tickle because it is something that is a part of me and I enjoy it soo much. However, I regret to say that I do not believe I could tickle another and it be platonic. Then again, I have seen through joining this site that there are those out there that do not get arousel from tickling. It is beyond me to comprehend it, but I do realize that just because I cannot understand it, doesn't mean it is false.

The only way as a human to stay away from wrong doing, is to avoid weaknesses. The same way you would avoid going to a bar if you don't want to be tempted to drink. If you are not at all tempted in a sexual way when tickling another female then I suppose it is ok for you to be married and do so. I have said it before. To me and my girl, tickling is a sexual expression. It is also just fun at times but mostly it leads to other things. Because I have such a massively strong feeling about tickling in this way, it is very hard for me to understand how a man, who likes sexual contact, and tickling, can somehow totally separate the two.

I am curious, what would you do if your wife all of the sudden liked to be tickled and it became a fetish to her? If she loved it and it aroused her? Would you stop tickling other females? Would you find it easy to? You and your wife seam to have a special relationship.

It is not my goal to put you down, I only want to make sure that you have thought about all this so that your relationship with your beloved will be safe. It does look as if you have thought about this thoroughly, and as I have said before, your wife consents, so that is all there it to it. Mostly, I am trying to understand platonic tickling.

I have no problem when a friend pokes me or I poke them in some playful tickling, but I really just can't see how a person, especially a younger one with raging hormones, can tickle a member of the opposite sex, and it not have sexual feelings.

Foreplay is pleasing touches that can occur anywhere on the body, yet tickling is very much the same. I know some may say that tickling is faster and more intense where the lee tries to get away. Yes, but do they not like it? Even though tickling my girlfriend mad while she is bound up makes her say please stop and no do not do that. She gets off on it like you wouldn't believe. When I do stop, she says ,"Please continue" It may be two different types pf pleasure but it is still pleasure.

To top of my mental state, I am extremely old fashioned. I feel that it is wrong for a me or you to recieve any form of physical pleasure from anyone but our lovers. It would not be right for me to let another single female tickle me, or hold me tight, etc.
I feel as if a relationship should be pure. That is where the only physical pleasure some from each other.

I realize that not everyone feels like I do.

 

[nytoetapper1]

eye to eye

I think we understand each other. And you're right, my wife and I share an extraordinary relationship, not necessarily understood or accepted by others. I must say that I admire your devotion to your one and only. I hope she knows how lucky she is. It is rare in our society to find a man who has the courage to so openly broadcast his fidelity and caring for his partner. That is something else we share (though I haven't done it in this forum). Bravo to you, sir.

As to the subject of arousal... While we disagree on this, I hear and dig what you're saying. Not everyone has the strength to walk away from an inviting situation. And while I have occasionally become somewhat aroused while tickling others, I know, as does my wife, that I would never betray her. We talk frankly and openly. She tries to understand what tickling is for me. I have told her about the few times I have had the opportunity to indulge in my fetish, and whatever I felt about and during the experience. So by not keeping secrets, I reinforce her trust in me and us. She also knows that any arousal I may experience with another will be spent on her later 😀

Of course, this applies to my relationship with my wife and is not for everybody. If my wife ever said that she was the slightest bit uncomfortable with the idea of me tickling other women, that would be the end of it. I would accept that my collection of clips would have to substitute for the personal experience. However, if she were to "turn" and begin to enjoy tickling, it would be all the better (this is not at all likely, though 🙁 ). And she would still not prohibit me from tickling others, though my need/desire to would be greatly reduced.

I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking, just showing that there are other points of view. I hope that people reading our discussion come away with a greater understanding of what tickling is for them and how it fits into their relationships. And I never felt like you were trying to put me down. I've seen how much you try to help the people of this forum, and I hope you continue to do so. I think we managed to disagree without being disagreeable. I think part of the conflict arises from the fact that you cannot separate the sexual aspects of tickling, and therefore cannot imagine platonic tickling. But getting the thoughts of others was the whole purpose of this thread.

Thanks for your input, and your concerns, I appreciate it. You are a true friend to the tickling community.

 

[kibdos]

In the eyes and experiences of the beholder

I am coming back into this discussion not to offer clarification to others but to seek it for myself.

Nytoetapper’s description of being allowed to tickle women other than his wife really struck a chord with me as, when I was married, I had the same sort of relationship. But, to be accurate, I couldn’t describe it as platonic. To me, “platonic” tickling means virtually no sexual component at all – on either side. This is unknown ground to me since, from the time I was young, tickling and women’s feet (both separate and in combination) have always been strongly sexual. As I was growing up, tickling was not foreplay but an end in itself just as women’s feet were sexy within themselves, regardless of my attraction to the woman.

As I passed into my teens, my feelings began to evolve. Tickling and feet remained exciting but somehow separate. Certainly, they did not form an essential element in my attraction to a girl. My first major crush (I thought I was “in love” but didn’t we all at that age?) was on the younger sister of a friend. I wanted to be with her, hold her, kiss her, make her my own. I was captivated by her face, figure and personality – but I didn’t fantasize about tickling her. She had cute feet but that was something I noticed only after I fell for her. When I fantasized about her, I made love to her; my tickling fantasies – and experiences - remained focused on other (usually older) women and these climaxed in the tickling itself. Nothing of a regular sexual activity followed nor was it needed. And those tickling experience were “platonic” only on their side; they were wholly sexual on mine.

When I met my first serious girlfriend, who later became my wife, I again was entranced by her looks and personality. She had great feet – still has, in my opinion – but these again did not become a focus. This was partly because she hated being tickled, a situation that took years to change. But the sexual element in tickling was wholly on my side.

My tickling and feet adventures remained separate from my regular sex life well into our marriage. She knew of this and it didn’t bother her at all – or so she claimed. I tickled a number of her friends (usually with her knowledge, sometimes with her teasing encouragement), created a long foot-tickling relationship with her mother, still tickled my aunts from time to time and admired (and sometimes tickled) the feet of a number of classmates and neighbors. None of this worried her as long as it didn’t develop into anything beyond that. I knew that most of the women I tickled saw it as strictly platonic – on their side. But it remained definitely sexual on mine.

On one very memorable occasion, my wife even suggested I “come out of the closet” with a friend of hers in order to help me feel more “normal” about my foot and tickling fetish. This led to a very sensuous foot-tickling and toe-sucking incident that my wife claimed to be quite happy about because it brought me happiness. But I was under no illusion that her friend participated for sexual reasons. For her, it was sensuous, like a light massage and she was able to enjoy it because she knew nothing sexual was going to be asked of her. Platonic for her, sexual for me.

What began to limit my focus on other women was the increase in my tickling foreplay with my wife. The more amenable she became to my tickling her, the less I desired to tickle others. At the time of our divorce (which arose from non-sexual differences, like how to raise our children and her almost religious passion for “new-age” ideas), she was ALMOST my sole - no pun intended - outlet for tickling. Through her, I developed a delight in gentle caressing, full-body tickling that may have started with her feet but always ended elsewhere. I still enjoyed “hard” struggling tickling, of course, but the soft, sensuous kind became stronger in our relationship. And, finally, it became sexual for BOTH of us.

The divorce shattered that and many other things as well. As I noted in one of my other submissions, now that the bitterness of our split is passing, my ex-wife has lately allowed me to tickle her feet and legs for half an hour or so as long as I don’t go higher than mid-thigh. This is now back to being strictly platonic for her: she enjoys it as a light massage that she finds very relaxing (she described one delightful session as “beautiful”) but nothing follows, not even a short kiss, and her very ticklish underarms and back are completely off limits. For me, however, it is totally sexual and she knows it. So there is yet another relationship that is wholly platonic on the ‘lees part and emphatically sexual for the ‘ler.

I think the differences between commentators in this thread come from divergent experiences, not philosophies. Tastes and desires are shaped empirically, not reflectively. For me, tickling and feet were a separate sexual world as I was growing up and this left its mark on my later development that I could not alter even when I became aware of it. Had my wife said “no” to my tickling others, the incidents would have ceased but the desires would have continued. I could no sooner change them than I could alter my taste in food, books, art, or quiet walks by the sea - or, to be more germane, my taste in what makes a beautiful foot and what does not. These things are an accumulation of what I was and am, not an extension of my philosophy.

 

[nytoetapper1]

Again K-man, very insightful. But while you may have inadvertantly cleared things up for some, what is the clarification you seek?

 

[kibdos]

Good question. Here is an inadequate response.

I guess I am wrestling with my own feelings here, trying to understand, through writing, the whole issue of "Platonic" versus "Erotic" in terms of tickling...and, above all, the ramifications of it.

If tickling a woman is erotic for me but only platonic for them, have I been exploiting them for my own sexual gratification? Is their ignorance of my desire an excuse for my actions? Out of all the women I have tickled over the years, only one ever got really upset about it. Only one other (as far as I know) speculated afterwards about "why" I often tickled her. The rest of them seemed to regard it as harmless fun or a gentle tease. But, if I came up to them beforehand and said, "I want to take your shoes off because your bare feet excite me" and, after that was done, I said, "Now I want to tickle you because that excites me even more", I imagine most of them would have felt uncomfortable and some of them might even have felt violated. And yet, because tickling is a common thing and because, when I was growing up, a recognition of fetishes was not widespread, I usually got away with it.

Just a few weeks ago, a neighbor in my complex stopped by to talk to me about a "Neighborhood Watch" program she was instituting. Out of politeness and care for my carpets, she removed her sandals. I knew from a previous meeting that she was divorced so there was no husband to offend. We spent fifteen minutes sharing coffee and conversation while I stole glances at her toes and soles. Finally, under the guise of picking up her cup to refill it, I bumped against her foot, apologised and then gave her sole a few quick, tickling strokes. She giggled, wiggled her toes a bit and said, "I'm not really that ticklish."

"Really?" I responded - and tickled her a bit more to test her assertion. She smiled and took no offense.

I found the whole thing very erotic while it was obviously platonic for her. After she left, I have to admit I felt guilty. I know this might be silly - feeling guilty after years of tickling dozens of others - but the feeling was genuine nevertheless. So forgive me if I am speculating about general definitions in order to find out about specific feelings but this thread has set me to thinking....Or am I just getting old?

 

[nytoetapper1]

armchair psychology

Ok, I can relate to what you're saying. I must admit that I have considered it before. First of all, let me say that any woman whom you tickled on more than one occasion probably had an idea that you were getting something more out of it. As long as they allowed it, no harm done. Some may have enjoyed it more than they let you know.

The one-shots you may have had probably didn't dwell on it. But if they had, they may have felt uncomfortable or, as you said, violated. However they weren't really harmed by it. And while you could wallow in feelings of guilt there's no sense in that. It's not the same as actually sexually assaulting someone.

Unfortunately, I don't have an easy answer for you. There probably is some exploitation there, unless it was consentual. Let me ask you this: did you ever continue to tickle a woman who told you to stop, or prevent them from pulling away? Deep down you know if a 'lee was willing on some level. If you ever consciously tickled someone who you knew was made uncomfortable by it, then you should have guilt and remorse, though you said it only happened once.

Bottom line, at least in my mind, is this: if they did not feel offended, upset, or violated, don't dwell on it. They do not need to know how it made you feel. Compare it to dancing with a pretty girl who is dancing seductively. She's just enjoying the dancing, but you're getting worked up. If you go home and masturbate to the memory of her moving, have you wronged her? Everybody's guilty of a little objectifying every now and then.

So don't be so hard on yourself. And let me know what you think. If you don't want the rest of this discussion to be public, feel free to PM me.

 

[iluv2tkl]

Very insightful

First of all, I thank you nyotoetapper for your respect, you have certainly earned mine.

I would also llike to thank kibdos for his experiences.
He brings back to mind my main concern. I will always feel that sexual arousel of any kind should be reserved for your lover. Now, if you are single, then that is a different story.
Sure, wouldn't we all love it if it was ok just to tickle woman whenever we please, but that is just not the reality of tickling and us the lovers of it.
I am leary of the whole (get what you are not at home) thing, but that is up to the couple to decide.
It seems like it may leave your relationship vulnerable.
My girlfriend would not want me to tickle any other female in any way, because of what we have, then again that is just lucky me I guess. I can't help but to agree with kibdos as he felt somewhat guilty tickling other females while with his lover.
I wonder if you are somehow able to put aside guilt, nyo.
Whether or not you can, somehow, what you are doing works for you and your wife. You must admit that it would not be wise to advise othe rmarried tickle luvers to go the route you do. You are definately in a minority as far as relationships working when other outside physical contact occurs.

Then I guess we are both fourtunate men in our own ways. I just thought all my life that I would have to suppress my tickle fetish and just live with loving a female despite it. I love my fiance soo much that I would love her just the same if she did not share the same fantasy of tickling, and I would not have to act on the tickling on other females. I would even be leary of tickling other females even if I had her permssion.

All I can do is believe you when you say you can do this without a problem. Which, is not easy given how much we both know about human nature and how often troubles arise in this area.

To ticklers who are confused about how they feal and what they should do, I think we would both agree that they should not do anything they are not 100% sure of. If you are not completely comfortable with it, then it is best you don't.

 

[nytoetapper1]

I couldn't have said it better.

Each individual or couple is unique in their relationship with tickling. What works for one will not necessarily work for another. Just look at the diversity of answers to the question I posed here.

And I would like to thank everyone who has posted their feelings on the subject.

 

[iluv2tkl]

I have enjoyed this converstation nyo
(if you do not mind me calling you that).

I wonder why we have not talked before. I hope this will not be our last.

People like us seem to be the father figures of this community, offering all the advice we can to help others with fully enjoying tickling as we do.

 

[nytoetapper1]

Thank you, Luv2. Nyo is fine with me(reminds me of Neo of The Matrix). I have also enjoyed our discussion, and I'm certain this will not be our last conversation.

I had a hard time coming to grips with my fetish. And like you, if I can help others through my experiences or advice, I'm only too happy to do so.

Tickle on, my friend!

 

[iluv2tkl]

Follow the white feather,Nyo

We can only show all the tickle lovers out there the door, they must walk through it.

 

[iluv2tkl]

You write poetry?

So do I.

I wonder if we should create a poetry thread for the members to post on and enjoy.

Maybe add some depth to this comminty, of course there seems to be plenty with thinkers like us around.

 

[moondog83uk1]

You clever buggers!

Holy shit, Batman. Looking at all of the answers in this thread tells me something:

It looks like us tickling lovers are, overall, a clever, thoughtful and philosophical bunch! We rule, dudes and dudesses!

Well I find tickling to be both. I mean my mates tickle me (fellas and lasses) and I don't feel a thing, but if someone I fancy tickles me or I tickle them (fingers crossed!) it changes from being platonic and friendly to being, at least, somewhere along the lines of being sexual. I know that if someone I fancied tickled the hell out of me then I would have to sit cross-legged for the rest of the night. I think tickling can be both, though I'm sure some people's fetishes might be so strong as to render tickling a permanent sexual thing. I dunno, just tought I'd share my thoughts! Hey gang, it's all good!

Take care, and happy tickling everyone. Love Moondog 😀

 

[iluv2tkl]

Ah yes

Sitting cross legged. I am remember those days. Nothing gets me harder than tickling my mate or being tickled by her. Although now I stand erect in two ways. I let her see my glory bulging in my pants. It makes her feel good and she usually has the urge to tickle that as well.

Don't you wish you were me?

 

[TRU1]

Well, I haven't posted that much in a long time because I been spending alot of time with my girlfriend. I was with her in the car one night, we were doing our thing, ya know..When I accidently tickled her neck when I was holding her neck gently kissing, she kinda giggled and asked me to do it again. When I was driving her home later that night, I was contemplating asking her if she liked being tickled, and she said "hell yeah". I was like "holy shit"...So in the future..I got some plans..if you know what I mean!!

 

[iluv2tkl]

That is great!!

I HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT WELL FOR YOU.

It is my wish that all tickle lovers find a tickling soul mate as I have. Hopefully you on on your way. I am sure you will have some intereting stories in the future.

If you need any help with anything regyarding tickling, you know where to find me

 

[heavenkitty1]

I find that, for me, it's mostly erotic (that's where it takes me in my fantasies) but in real life, it's mainly platonic.

My husband isn't into tickling & will not let me tickle him at all. So, if I do get the chance, it's always platonic.

 

[nytoetapper1]

Exactly

Thank you for helping to make my point.

 

[nytoetapper1]

I know that more people have an opinion. Let's hear them! I'd especially like to here from the newbies to the forum.

 

[iluv2tkl]

good idea

This is truly a brilliant thread idea, Nyo.

Quite possibly the most mentally stimulating conversation I have had on this site yet. Which is saying alot because I have enjoyed this site from the very first day I joined.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

In my fantasies, which account for 99.999999999999999999% of all tickling that happens to me or that I do, it is half and half. I tend to focus more on Anime characters in them, since I have so little luck with live ones (literally😛 ), and those are all platonic, with a SMALL amount of erotic stuff. In real life, what little tickling that takes place, which is nil, has been all platonic. For me, I am perfectly happy with this 50/50 ratio, as it seems to provide balace. Well, that's me.

 

[nytoetapper1]

Dankë, Merci, Kam sia, Mahalo, Arigato, and also thank you.

I guess balance is good. Everybody tells me I'm mentally unbalanced...