tickling for money - right or wrong??

[Freethought]

What Fancy said🙂

 

[Meister1957]

Thanks for eveybody's input and opinions - which all seem valid in one way or another. And just to clarify, she is not desperate for the money, or else of course I would have given it no questions asked. She just mentioned she wanted to earn some extra cash, and maybe 'earn' is the operative word here.

well, my friend kind of made the decision today. When I mentioned that I had second thoughts she laughed it off, saying she was ok with it and quote ' even looked forward to having me helpless at her mercy'. So we're on for tomorrow night - and judging by her feisty comments I better explain the meaning of 'safeword' to her..............

And she has already agreed not to mention it to anybody - in her interest as much as mine. Some of our less broad-minded mutual friends really would not understand.

If it's the fun experience I'm hoping for I'll share afterwards.

Meister

 

[MaleTickleeDC]

Not entirely true...

I hate working my job, as many people do, and I wouldn't do it if I didn't need the money. That doesn't mean working a particular job is immoral or unethical.

You beat me to it. By that logic, the entire system of selling your labor for compensation would be unethical, unless providing that service was something you really loved to do. That would mean that the entire world economy would be one big ethical nightmare. (Of course I'm sure that some people would agree with that sentiment.)

I realize that most women are uncomfortable with selling their sexuality. But that doesn't mean that those who are comfortable with it should be prohibited from doing so. Everyone should be able to make their own choices in life.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Good luck to OP. I don’t think it’s immoral. I’d add, as someone else pointed out, that it could be less awkward if OP could come up with a “barter” system instead of cash. OP could give a free massage, provide something else he does for money, buy her dinner, etc. On the other hand, sounds like the friend may prefer the cash!

 

[rhiannon]

That doesn't mean working a particular job is immoral or unethical.

Of course not. WORKING it wouldn't! But someone else taking advantage of you in the situation where you need money would make the person act unethical. That's why it's not unethical to be a prostitute, but it is unethical or immoral to be a pimp! Do you see the difference? I would like to explain better what I mean, but I don't quite find the right words and hope the example makes it more clear.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Sorry, but there is nothing clear about it. You still haven't demonstrated what's unethical about it. Here is a brief recap of the conversation that I observed...
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QUOTE:<hr />rhiannon:  Well...that brings up the question then if his friend would also do it if she didn't need money. If she won't - I guess it's not perfectly moral and ethical.
<blockquote><hr /></blockquote>derkitzelnkonig:  Not entirely true...

I hate working my job, as many people do, and I wouldn't do it if I didn't need the money. That doesn't mean working a particular job is immoral or unethical.
<blockquote><hr /></blockquote>rhiannon:  Well, I suppose Of course not. WORKING it wouldn't! But someone else taking advantage of you in the situation where you need money would make the person act unethical. That's why it's not unethical to be a prostitute, but it is unethical or immoral to be a pimp! Do you see the difference? I would like to explain better what I mean, but I don't quite find the right words and hope the example makes it more clear.<hr />​

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What exactly is unethical about hiring somebody, even a friend, to do a job? You say it's taking advantage of their need for money. Well that's what employers all over the world do. They hire people who need money. There is a mutual need. The employers need employees to work for them. The employees need money and are willing to work for it.

In the case of Meister1957, it's exactly the same thing. He needs somebody to perform a task for him and is willing to pay for it. His friend needs money and is willing to perform the task for it.

Where is the breakdown in ethics? If you're going to cling to the ridiculous notion that taking advantage of somebody's need for money is unethical, then you're condemning virtually every employer in the world as unethical.

And how in the world does a pimp fit into this scenario? That's like the worst attempt at analogy I've seen this year.

 

[Bohemianne]

I would like to know what others think.

It's not right or wrong.

It's quite personal. Out of bazillion jobs on earth, there are ways to earn cash without touching a client. BUT a lot would go for tasks involving "human touch," thus, they became respectable doctors, nurses, or even legit prostitutes, and etc...

I don't have any opinion for them at all because I simply can't relate. The closest human touch I can render to people other than my close family member is a handshake. 😉

 

[Irvine]

Sure, you hire someone to do a job. This isn't exactly something common. Like Myraids said, if you can spare it why not? The motive is suspect since, even though stated otherwise, there has to be some sexual connotation. Its a sort of "fantasy" as was stated. I'm not trying to villainize anyone but it is a tiny bit exploitative. I think that the initial reaction that capitalized on the situation indicates that. However, this could be acceptable in their relationship so that would change things. We all have different ways of dealing with friends and how to categorize them so...yeah...subjectivity.

 

[rhiannon]

@DontAskJustTickle:

In my opinion it would be unethical if the person was using the money problems to make the other person do something that they wouldn't do if they didn't have the money problems. It's called taking advantage of someone.

I used the pimp allegory to say this:

A prostitute does not do something unethical by selling herself for sex if she does it voluntarily. If there is a pimp behind it though who uses her situation to his own advantage, then he is doing something unethical. Not saying that is what the TO is doing, hell no. I just brought it up because someone mentioned "just because I hate doing my job does not mean that it's unethical to work it".

I would also think it depends on how bad the money is needed. If the girl needed the money because otherwise she would be on the street next week, then I would say yes, it's unethical to make her an offer like that. But if she needed money because of a new pair of shoes, then I'd say it's totally alright.

 

[rhiannon]

Well that's what employers all over the world do. They hire people who need money. There is a mutual need. The employers need employees to work for them. The employees need money and are willing to work for it.

In case of an employee though, there are also other jobs. They are not forced to do exactly that job and usually are not dependant on the employer. I don't know the situation of the girl in question here, so I don't know how her options are. But mind my first post, please: I said that if she's allright with it, I don't see why it should be unethical as long as it is not a no-choice-situation.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

In case of an employee though, there are also other jobs.

There are other jobs for Meister's friend as well. It's not like she's been blackballed.

They are not forced to do exactly that job and usually are not dependant on the employer.

Total strawman argument. Meister's friend is not being forced to do any job either. You've still not demonstrated any significant difference between Meister hiring his friend to perform a task she is willing to do, and an employer hiring an employee to perform a task she is willing to do.

I don't know the situation of the girl in question here, so I don't know how her options are.

Exactly right. You don't know anything about her situation. So why are you throwing out all these worse-case scenarios (like her being forced, not having a choice, etc) when there is nothing in the thread to suggest such things? It's like saying, "Well, if she's got polio and is confined to a wheelchair for life, that would make it unethical."

Enough of these random flexings of imagination. Let's stick to what we know and not invent situations simply to justify your moral pronouncements.

But mind my first post, please: I said that if she's allright with it, I don't see why it should be unethical as long as it is not a no-choice-situation.

Is there anything in the opening post of this thread that suggests that she's being forced into anything, or is in a "no-choice-situation?" Meister made her an offer. She accepted. It's that simple.

 

[coldneck]

That's why it's not unethical to be a prostitute, but it is unethical or immoral to be a pimp!

Without a doubt, the most ridiculous thing I've read on here in a long, long time.

Therapy for Christmas.

 

[trifalcon4]

wrong. there's nothing more messed up than exploiting other people's fetishes.

 

[trifalcon4]

and by "nothing" i mean in the trite, petty, online sense

 

[Meister1957]

I had no idea my original question would ensue in such divided, and at times, passionate responses. And, have to say, I agree with Coldneck that the 'pimp-prostitute' reference was a bit over the top. But all opinions are valid and, as Voltaire said : 'I don't agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it!'...............
Well, I had my 'session' with my friend the other day - and she still is a friend - and I'm a few quid lighter. It turned out great - for both..............

will share in the stories section.

A Happy Christmas to all here

Meister

 

[rhiannon]

Is there anything in the opening post of this thread that suggests that she's being forced into anything, or is in a "no-choice-situation?" Meister made her an offer. She accepted. It's that simple.

And never once did I attack Meister for anything. In the meantime, this has turned in a totally theoretical what-if-debate that does not necessarily have anything to do with the actual situation. But it's ok, I know you can't see that because you're so anxious to attack me. 🙂

 

[Jagermeistered]

I had no idea my original question would ensue in such divided, and at times, passionate responses. And, have to say, I agree with Coldneck that the 'pimp-prostitute' reference was a bit over the top. But all opinions are valid and, as Voltaire said : 'I don't agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it!'...............
Well, I had my 'session' with my friend the other day - and she still is a friend - and I'm a few quid lighter. It turned out great - for both..............

will share in the stories section.

A Happy Christmas to all here

Meister

Finally, a post that makes sense! Personal moral valuations are self-destructive! We type/post bullshit that doesn't matter in the world(outside of our own) volition! Self-utility is the most important! Just don't violate private property rights of others!

 

[solescratcher99]

I don't post much on this forum anymore because of people laundering their insipid opinions through the guise of "morality."

Still, I take a more ethical approach. I think as long as the producer and model aren't desperate for the money, they won't wind up doing things excessively (and, hence, unethically). Making a buck isn't inherently bad but don't do it "just to pay the bills." Some of the best producers I've seen (LOL being one example) obviously weren't in it for the money. They were just having fun with what they were doing and decided it was time to take their site down for one reason or another (probably privacy concerns).

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

And never once did I attack Meister for anything.

And never once did anybody accuse you of doing so. 🙂

In the meantime, this has turned in a totally theoretical what-if-debate that does not necessarily have anything to do with the actual situation.

Correct, but that didn't just happen. 🙂 The thread was derailed off topic by a bunch of what-if's and unrelated conditionals. 🙂 This is exactly why I respectfully urge one and all not to do that. 🙂

But it's ok, I know you can't see that because you're so anxious to attack me. 🙂

Au contraire. 🙂 I 🙂 would 🙂 never 🙂 do 🙂 that🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, mid December when I know I am not going to get paid until Feb. 1st I am always tempted to put up an ad saying that I will tickle and/or be tickled for 1 hour session- $125 dollars. (30 minute session $75 dollars) PM me if you are interested. 😛

LOL LOL-

But if she is cool with it and totally comfortable, I don't see the harm at all.

 

[rhiannon]

And never once did anybody accuse you of doing so.

O well, I guess I'm just overly sensitive then! 😛

Au contraire. I would never do that

Never. 🙂 Not YOU! 🙂 What was I thinking! 🙂

 

[tcklft]

If the lady in question's okay with the set up, I see nothing wrong with going for it. It may make your friendship a little awkward for awhile, but then again, maybe it won't! 🙂

Good luck!

 

[Angel77]

It's not something I personally would do but then again, this isn't about me. Assuming both you and your friend are adults and she's cool with indulging in your fetish, by all means indulge in it with her. I can see where some of the folks are coming from though. It would be strange for me to do something sexual with a friend. Yes, it is sexual because it's a fetish. I wouldn't go to a male friend of mine saying "Please touch my boobies and you can give me cash for doing so because I need the money."

Just no lol.

However, a lot of folks here are cool with casual play, some of us aren't.

Whatever floats your boat really.

 

[MaleTickleeDC]

I can see where some of the folks are coming from though. It would be strange for me to do something sexual with a friend. Yes, it is sexual because it's a fetish.

A couple of people have made this point and my feeling each time is "no kidding." Of course it's sexual because it's a fetish. My point is: who the heck cares? Why is paying for sex "bad?" Because society says so? Religion? Governments? Because that's what we were conditioned to believe?

I honestly think this is one of those male/female disconnects. Most women simply aren't comfortable selling their sexuality, and they can't imagine any female being comfortable in that position. Most men, meanwhile, view sex as something about as sacred as their favorite type of sandwich.

 

[Angel77]

A couple of people have made this point and my feeling each time is "no kidding." Of course it's sexual because it's a fetish. My point is: who the heck cares? Why is paying for sex "bad?" Because society says so? Religion? Governments? Because that's what we were conditioned to believe?

I honestly think this is one of those male/female disconnects. Most women simply aren't comfortable selling their sexuality, and they can't imagine any female being comfortable in that position. Most men, meanwhile, view sex as something about as sacred as their favorite type of sandwich.

To be honest, I could give a rat's ass about what society or government, etc., has to say about what I do in my life. What I do is based on my own personal feelings. I never said anything was "bad." If someone wants to pay for sex, go for it. I'm not here to judge anyone. But my point was that there are some folks that wouldn't feel comfortable in doing that. People like myself. It's sexual to me and because of my own personal feelings, I chose to engage in that with my partner, just like I would with sex. If someone feels like they want to engage in that with someone other than their partner, great, go for it.

I could care less. It's their life.

Whatever two consenting adults decide to do, it's up to them. But not everyone is into the same deal.