tickling is cruel?

[jimmy224]

i read somewhere that of course, tickling exsisted as a punishment in the middle ages. a person was put in the stocks for a day and tickled by people passing by.

but i then read that this died out because it was thought of as cruel because of public humiliation? i mean, it is publicly humiliating, but to have it die out because its cruel? i would think the punishment would die out because it wasnt effective enough.

 

[Vae]

The Romans used it to gather information from victims too.

As far as stocks go, they were meant to be humiliating as it is. That was their function: to humiliate the person in front of the community (and back then, everyone knew each other). Tickling just came along with it. Sometimes rocks and stones were thrown at them, depending on what the crime was. Stocks, I believe, and the punishment that it was, then became cruel. As different groups became more civilized, they dropped the stocks. Now we just use them in our bedroom playtime. 🙂

Tickling as a form of non-consensual torture is also cruel. Ticklish people can't help but laugh and feel uncomfortable with it and tickling can also be apart of humiliation. Lots of punishments from the middle ages are gone now because of their cruelty. Crucifixions, for one, were a big fav for a long ass time, but they went out too (and not with Jesus either).

Just the way things work. 🙂

 

[drew70]

The cruelty depends on many things. The discomfort of being locked in one uncomfortable position for hours, much less days in my mind is more cruel than any tickling.

Tickling is cruel when forced on people who absolutely can't stand it.

 

[Mastertank1]

What mostly happened to people exposed in stocks,

or in a pillory or both at once in a public place, was that they got bombarded with a variety of unpleasently odoriforous substances.
These commonly included rotting fruit and vegetables, the decomposing carcasses of small animals, and actual manure, human and animal in origin.
THAT was why it was abandoned. Cleaning up after the offender was released was a long, hard, nasty job that nobody wanted to do.

 

[jaba]

As different groups became more civilized, they dropped the stocks. Now we just use them in our bedroom playtime. 🙂

"uncivilized bedroom playtime" with stocks is fun!

 

[One&OnlyShadow]

Man I wish the next time I get arrested I could just be tickled for a punishment. By a beautiful woman, but then again I would probably become a career criminal.

 

[daddy]

"uncivilized bedroom playtime" with stocks is fun!

Ditto!

peace out,
daddy

 

[jaba]

"tickler cruelty" has cost us some really great play club ticklees....

The cruelty depends on many things. The discomfort of being locked in one uncomfortable position for hours, much less days in my mind is more cruel than any tickling.

Tickling is cruel when forced on people who absolutely can't stand it.

I will tell you one thing, Drew, which may upset some around here, because of the "to each his own" attitude and tolerance for most all adult tickling styles, but this has bothered me for a while.....

I tickle ladies on occasion in some local "play" clubs, and a number of the ladies tell me that while most of the guys are there to have some tickleplay fun, there are some guys who only get off on the torture of ladies, and tickling just happens to be the "torture of choice" for these guys....

Some of these ladies are into the "sub" lifestyle, and can take the torture, by "disassociating" themselves from the session and having their mind wander to another place in time......

But some of the club ladies, particularly new ones who are new to the lifestyle and new to the bdsm club scene, and in most cases need the money, tell me that they have endured some pretty cruel tickle torture scenarios for hours in uncomfortable bondage positions, by some guys who truly don't care, and it is not uncommon to be left with deep, heavy scratch marks and "scars" by overly agressive guys who have the direct intent and desire to torture the lady for as long as they can.....and those are not the worst guys,...... there are some guys who disregard safewords and pleas for mercy, and the club staff can usually tell when a lady is really screaming in distress, which generally leads to the dungeon door being kicked in, and the guy getting a much deserved ( in my opinion) ass kicking .......

There are guys, and some guys on this forum, who get off on this form of "torture play" and are liberated by the "tolerant" stance of this forum, and they view this as an acceptable form of tickle play because it is performed by consenting adults. That may be true, but there have been some GREAT play club ticklees who have left the scene entirely, never to look back, who might have actually enjoyed tickleplay sessions had they not run into "mr tickle torture sadist" with a couple of hours to kill and a wad of money to pay for the torture time......the turnover rate for these clubs is amazing, for a wide variety of reasons, but I personally know of ladies who have left the playclub because of really cruel men in tickle torture scenarios, they try to hang and work there because they really need the money, but after a few of these torture sessions and the scratches and scars, they just felt that the money was not worth it.....

And then this guy will leave the play club smiling, with a smug sense of satisfaction because he threw the tickleslave lady a "tip", and because what he did is perfectly legal......

But, "to each his own, right"? And that's the line of work she was hired and is paid to do, right?

So of course that makes it "right", right?

 

[drew70]

I hear you, Jaba. But I like to think those guys are in the minority. Most of the BDSM'ers I know adhere to the SSC rule of thumb.

 

[tcklft]

I will tell you one thing, Drew, which may upset some around here, because of the "to each his own" attitude and tolerance for most all adult tickling styles, but this has bothered me for a while.....

I tickle ladies on occasion in some local "play" clubs, and a number of the ladies tell me that while most of the guys are there to have some tickleplay fun, there are some guys who only get off on the torture of ladies, and tickling just happens to be the "torture of choice" for these guys....

Some of these ladies are into the "sub" lifestyle, and can take the torture, by "disassociating" themselves from the session and having their mind wander to another place in time......

But some of the club ladies, particularly new ones who are new to the lifestyle and new to the bdsm club scene, and in most cases need the money, tell me that they have endured some pretty cruel tickle torture scenarios for hours in uncomfortable bondage positions, by some guys who truly don't care, and it is not uncommon to be left with deep, heavy scratch marks and "scars" by overly agressive guys who have the direct intent and desire to torture the lady for as long as they can.....and those are not the worst guys,...... there are some guys who disregard safewords and pleas for mercy, and the club staff can usually tell when a lady is really screaming in distress, which generally leads to the dungeon door being kicked in, and the guy getting a much deserved ( in my opinion) ass kicking .......

There are guys, and some guys on this forum, who get off on this form of "torture play" and are liberated by the "tolerant" stance of this forum, and they view this as an acceptable form of tickle play because it is performed by consenting adults. That may be true, but there have been some GREAT play club ticklees who have left the scene entirely, never to look back, who might have actually enjoyed tickleplay sessions had they not run into "mr tickle torture sadist" with a couple of hours to kill and a wad of money to pay for the torture time......the turnover rate for these clubs is amazing, for a wide variety of reasons, but I personally know of ladies who have left the playclub because of really cruel men in tickle torture scenarios, they try to hang and work there because they really need the money, but after a few of these torture sessions and the scratches and scars, they just felt that the money was not worth it.....

And then this guy will leave the play club smiling, with a smug sense of satisfaction because he threw the tickleslave lady a "tip", and because what he did is perfectly legal......

But, "to each his own, right"? And that's the line of work she was hired and is paid to do, right?

So of course that makes it "right", right?

I've heard this from some of the ladies at Passive Arts over the years. It sucks that some asshats choose not to respect their lee's limits.

 

[Babbles]

It should be posted in large, bold font, in every room...

Any creep who is caught inflicting non-consensual torture 😡
WILL BE BROUGHT UP ON ASSAULT CHARGES.

That should take care of the problem.

That sort of bum is usually the cowardly bully who can't take a small fraction of the abuse he loves to dish out,
and will probably be far more careful to avoid the same treatment in prison.

Either that, or as I read somewhere, if caught he (or she)

WILL BE LEFT TO THE MERCY OF THEIR ABUSED SUB/S for the same amount of time 🙄
Doubt that "asshat" would be a repeat offender.

I've heard this from some of the ladies at Passive Arts over the years. It sucks that some asshats choose not to respect their lee's limits.

 

[jaba]

Any creep who is caught inflicting non-consensual torture 😡
WILL BE BROUGHT UP ON ASSAULT CHARGES.

That should take care of the problem.

That sort of bum is usually the cowardly bully who can't take a small fraction of the abuse he loves to dish out,
and will probably be far more careful to avoid the same treatment in prison.

Either that, or as I read somewhere, if caught he (or she)

WILL BE LEFT TO THE MERCY OF THEIR ABUSED SUB/S for the same amount of time 🙄
Doubt that "asshat" would be a repeat offender.

Oh believe me, Babbles, I know some bdsm club ladies that would make these male bullies think they were "guests of honor" at the "inquisition"......very "creative" ladies...

The sadistic cowards don't even look in the direction of those ladies......

 

[NavelTickler75]

Any creep who is caught inflicting non-consensual torture 😡
WILL BE BROUGHT UP ON ASSAULT CHARGES.

That should take care of the problem.

That sort of bum is usually the cowardly bully who can't take a small fraction of the abuse he loves to dish out,
and will probably be far more careful to avoid the same treatment in prison.

Either that, or as I read somewhere, if caught he (or she)

WILL BE LEFT TO THE MERCY OF THEIR ABUSED SUB/S for the same amount of time 🙄
Doubt that "asshat" would be a repeat offender.

Amen to that.
Anyone who forces tickling on another person is sick.

Yeah its fun to read it, but you know what let's bring life back to life. Stories like what we read and write, about unwilling victims are just that, fiction. If you can't realize that, you need to take a good long look at your life!

 

[OnnaOtaku]

I thought everyone knew it was a form of torture!


Guess not. But yeah.. tickling... torture... cruel...

This is why I enjoy being a ler so much, I like to cause the torture... I'm demented like that. 😎

 

[NavelTickler75]

I thought everyone knew it was a form of torture!


Guess not. But yeah.. tickling... torture... cruel...

This is why I enjoy being a ler so much, I like to cause the torture... I'm demented like that. 😎

Something tells me your a mistress, or a beginnging mistress, this ticklish guy will have to to look out for you!

 

[F.L. Atlanta 10]

i don't think tickling is cruel. i think that tickling is a great punishment.

 

[jaba]

I'm sure you're not alone...

i don't think tickling is cruel. i think that tickling is a great punishment.

Oh, I am sure that there are many here like you who don't think that tickling can be "cruel", and who enjoy "punishing" those "weaker" than themselves....

I bet you have a lot of company here with your opinion......

 

[OnnaOtaku]

Something tells me your a mistress, or a beginnging mistress, this ticklish guy will have to to look out for you!

Oh you have no idea. I would love to go the dominatrix route! No joke.

 

[MasterTT]

Jaba you make me think.

Well this post has had me thinking for a little bit and so I decided to respond. I agree with you for the most part, but being a bit of a sadist (when it comes to tickling but also in the larger bdsm sense of the word) I can't agree with everything you said. I can not completely relate to what you are talking about because I have never really done any pay to play... but I have known some into that and I understand some of what you speak of. I think the key here (for me) is in the safeword. Since your doing a scene with a relative or complete stranger, a safeword is a necessity , in my opinion. I have seen experienced people with a great deal of trust who don't use a safeword with there longtime partners, people who subscribe to rack and so on. But in a pay a stranger to play with you situation, I think this is almost exactly what the safeword was invented for. If a sub uses their safeword, that should be it... 100% agreed. All non-con fantasies not withstanding that's supposed to be the deal there... signal safeword whatever, scene over. Ok... so that far I'm with you. I also agree that scaring is something that is completely unacceptable without special consent (I've never seen it from tickling, but I have seen it from the inexperienced and overzealous with a cane... if you don't know how to wield it, don't use it on a human being is my advise.) So in all this I think we are lockstep in thinking, but the next point is where we agree in PRACTICE, but I think we might disagree in THEORY.

In my practice, I agree, that it is a dominants job to be careful of his submissive, to respect and read her limits and how far she can go... and so on and so forth. To me, in my life, this is part of a dominants job... to balance your desires with your partner, to work as one. HOWEVER, in practice we know that there are pure, hardcore sadists who like to use women simply as objects and hurt them, or in our special niche to tickle torture them. AND we know, that their are indeed women who enjoy this kind of thing. That get off on it just as much as the sadist does. So "Mr. Tickle Torture Sadist" comes into the club, puts his money down, and wants to torture a ticklish girl... they get him a girl... club safeword is red.... torture begins, it gets more and more extreme, the girl is suffering horribly, she is in complete agony laying there thinking, as soon as this is over, I am going to quit so I never have to endure this again... She suffers, she never safewords she just suffers with it, she quits... a great asset to the community is lost. Ok, now if we start to think about this logically and without an anti-sadist bias what's the problem here. Well first off, let me say from a Dom angle I AGREE, this Dom made some major mistakes... he was probably inexperience, he didn't care about his submissive, and it looks like he didn't go through the proper negotiations about the scene with her BUT "Mr. Tickle Torture Sadist" may very well have been a college kid on his 21's birthday, getting this as a present from his friends (I've seen things like that) and he's never properly explored the lifestyle, maybe it was even his first chance to explore this fetish that he's been living with for years... now as people in the lifestyle, it would be our first thought to blame the Dom, because in the LIFESTYLE a great deal of what went wrong is the dominants fault. BUT this is not the lifestyle... it looks like the lifestyle, it may be part of the lifestyle, but what actually is going on here, is a service industry. And the sub in this scene as well as the people who run the dungeon are the PROFESSIONALS. That makes it THEIR responsibility. Both to educate the girl about the proper use of the safeword, and the girls to use it. If it is made clear to the "Mr. Tickle Torture Sadist" that the safeword must be respected and he goes ahead anyway... even if he's caught up in the moment, sure he is in the wrong, the scene should be stopped, by force if necessary, the person removed from the premises and not allowed to return, BUT if is in this case, the PROFESSIONAL submissive's responsibility, as a part of her profession to use her safeword.

We have to remember that not all people who do bdsm activities chose to make it a major part of their life as some of us do. They don't have the same codes of conduct. For them they are paying for a service. Sure you can say the girl wants to do a good job, but this doesn't alleviate her of personal responsibility. If the same girl went to work for a pizza place that had a 30 minute or its free guarantee, a guy ordered a lot of odd pizzas, she's running late... going a buck 20 down the interstate, and there's a traffic jam... but she REFUSES to use her brakes... she's gonna be a good pizza delivery girl... make the boss happy, make the guy who ordered the pizza happy... she dies in a fiery crash. Who's fault is that. The break was right there... it was her job as a responsible driver to use it.

I will even go further (with the reservation I haven't thought this out its just my first opinion) that this is part of the problem. Unlike in a relationship, a Dominant should feel ABLE to let go and be as sadistic as he desires (within the limits of a scene that should be negotiated... and if the Dom doesn't initiate negotiations cause he/she doesn't know better... one of the professionals, the person in charge of the dungeon or the submissive should do that), knowing he is working with a PROFESSIONAL and she won't let it go too far.

Because yes, I do ultimately believe that grown people have the right to do almost anything they want to or with each other if they are both consenting. Now once the safeword is used consent is withdrawn, but for me even though in the lifestyle it is different between doms and subs, the way I would treat people in my own relationships is very different and I wont get into that here, but in a service business like that, it is not fair to pass off all the blame on the "Dom" just because he decided to play Dom for a day and did it badly, when there were a variety of professional people involved who had a professional responsibility to take care of the safety of all parties.

That's just my opinion. Like I said I am not supporting ignoring safewords, or non-consensual torture or anything like that. I am just saying that there is nothing wrong with being a sadist, or enjoying the "tickle-torture" style of tickling, and of all people it would seem that one should be able to trust a professional to enforce her own limits. And no, this is not how I live my life, but I am into the lifestyle, and I take my role as a Dominant very seriously. Perhaps it is not for the best, but the truth is you don't have to have a licence to call yourself a Dom, you don't have to pass classes, and furthermore you don't have to be a Dom to go to a dungeon and play for a day. For all those reasons I feel that before you go lumping all of "Mr. Tickle Torture Sadists" together in a bad lot, you should remember that there's enough blame for these scenes gone wrong to go around.

 

[Chuck D]

Oh you have no idea. I would love to go the dominatrix route! No joke.

you can start with me if you like, but you would have to catch me first..

 

[SlaverTickler]

Tickling as a form of non-consensual torture is also cruel. Ticklish people can't help but laugh and feel uncomfortable with it and tickling can also be apart of humiliation. Lots of punishments from the middle ages are gone now because of their cruelty. Crucifixions, for one, were a big fav for a long ass time, but they went out too (and not with Jesus either).

Just the way things work. 🙂

I say bring back the crucifixtions for the peds and rapist, and first dagree murder then patch it through to juvi hall so those little bastards can see whats waiting for them if they don't keep it clean. Tickling is cruel depending on why it's being done. If it's playful teasing thats onething, if you're talking about 5 people pinning someone down and tickling them into a tear ridden urinating mess then it's mean... sometimes.

 

[tklfiend]

I thought everyone knew it was a form of torture!


Guess not. But yeah.. tickling... torture... cruel...

This is why I enjoy being a ler so much, I like to cause the torture... I'm demented like that. 😎

"Is tickling cruel?" The question reminds me of Woody Allen's answer when asked "Is sex dirty?"

"It is if you're doing it right."

 

[Ticklish_witch]

I like the way that tickling was used as a form of punishment. one of my ex boyfriends used tickling as a form of punishment on me, but it was all playful. It wasn't like, "Oh you made a joke about me, thats 5 minutes in the stocks" no its like "oh now your gonna get it" and have me pinned to the ground. my high school teacher has a pair of stocks in her classroom. ive never seen anyone in MY class HAVE to go in them, though.

At the beginning of the year, my teacher stood at the front of the class, (this was back in grade 9 for crap sake) and she said, "Heres how the stocks work. they are left over from halloween. anyone who is late, gets as many minutes as they were late in class, in the stocks having their feet tickled" and she paused to look around with this amused grin on her face while everyone turned and started chattering about themselves in absolute panic, (even though were pretty sure she was kiding) and one day this girl was late and the teachers like, "5 minutes late, okay, thats either 5 minutes in the stocks or 25 pushups" and she said pushups even though everyone was chanting "stocks! stocks! stocks! stocks!" and she did her pushups.

So, no one has ever been forced into the stocks, a lot of people just have sat in them to see how it feels, but nothing for real punishment. i do remember though, and from what my teacher told me her point of view, since im always at school at like 7:30, really early, a few of my friends are too, and sometimes we hang out in classroom to just have somewhere to sit and talk without it being crowded or noisy like the lobby, and i remember two of my friends, a guy and a girl dragged me up to the class when i insulted them (as a joke) and there like, "yeah lets go. up to the stocks" and i was struggling against them but they got me into the stocks and my teacher wasnt in the class and they were like tickling my feet saying "apologise, dont you feel slightly bad about what you did"? and I swear, if it wasnt modern and re enforced, i would have broken the stocks from yanking on them so hard and when i was talking to my teacher later (she ended up walking in but she didnt stop them) she said "I could hear the stocks rattling from down the hall and I could hear you and brendan and terri and i knew what was happening and when i walked in i was trying not to laugh"

thats my story.
dont believe it?
fine, not like i care.

 

[NavelTickler75]

Oh you have no idea. I would love to go the dominatrix route! No joke.

Hmmm as someone who is hyper ticklish in his ribs and pits just what would you do to me? haha. Note, I dont do the sex thing though, just curious as to what you'd do if you had me as a slave.

 

[OnnaOtaku]

Hmmm as someone who is hyper ticklish in his ribs and pits just what would you do to me? haha. Note, I dont do the sex thing though, just curious as to what you'd do if you had me as a slave.

It wouldn't be anything about sex with me either. If that was the case I would just go be an escort. As for what I'd do... I don't reveal secrets and I don't reveal them for free either!



Also, let me clarify that I don't necessarily think that cruel is always a bad thing! 😱