Tickling should be porn free

[Redmage]

The numbers from Alexa only prove that the TMF doesn't get a lot of repeat business. The numbers in the TMF Members list also bear this out. Only a very small fraction of people who sign up ever make it to even 50 posts. I think one reason is that most people aren't interested in being part of an X-rated community in which clits, G-spots, and orgasms are likely topics of discussion.

I think you need to learn more about online fora. In fact, most people who join any online community post a few times or lurk for a little while and then don't come back. Doesn't matter the topic, or whether it has anything to do with sex at all.

What the numbers from Alexa show is that we don't get much traffic AT ALL, repeat or otherwise, in the larger context of the internet. The most popular tickling site on the net is still just a drop in the bucket, because very, very few people care about this interest. The numbers show that your dire predictions about the harm we're doing to the public image of tickling are just so much nonsense, because for most practical purposes tickling has no public image.

I suspect the majority are those who are indifferent to porn. They can take it or leave it, and this includes those for whom tickling is erotically stimulating. If you look at a couple of pages of Tickling Discussion or even General, you'll find very few conversations about sex.

Well, duh. General discussion isn't for sex, and Tickling Discussion has as much sexuality to it as people put into their tickling. And as you're well aware, most people here sexualize that. So any discussion there among people who do so is, in essence, a discussion about sex.

I don't think they would. Look at how tickling media has changed over the years. It hasn't gotten more pornagraphic, but rather less so.

Um, right. I'm beginning to doubt that your ideas about this have any connection to reality whatever. Even old tickling producers like CalStar still did clothed productions more often than not in the old days. The early producers who actually liked the fetish themselves (companies like Magic Touch, Solefully Yours, RealTickling, and Tickling Paradise) started off doing clothed videos but started doing nude work just as soon as they could afford to pay for it. The only reason you find more clothed material available now is because you find more of all sorts of tickling material now, but nudity is still what sells the best and the most.

Come on, you know as well as I the issue in question is THIS particular forum. If anything needs to be proven, it'll have to be proven here. Since this is all conjecture anyway, I see little point in attempting to establish proof.

No, I don't know any such thing. You've predicted that if the forum moved away from its sexual emphasis then it would boom. If you're right, then there should be a forum out there that has discovered your magic formula. Where is it? Is it TickleTheater? No, doesn't seem to be. Why hasn't someone else figured this out and put it into practice? If in fact you're a genius ahead of your time, then it should be a snap for you to start up a forum doing the "smart" thing (as you put it) and outstrip the TMF in no time. So I invite you to try. Unless of course you know as well as I do what the truth is, and what the outcome would be.

But that would mean that you were here peddling a lie that even you don't believe in, just to stir up trouble. And I can't believe you'd do something like that. So get out there and prove me wrong. I'd love to see it.

If I have ever given out such opinions it's rare. I've never felt qualified telling other people what to do. But as long as we're on the subject, what about this comment from you?

"You are obligated to be fully open about sexual matters with anyone whose relationship with you includes a reasonable expectation to know about your sexual partners and interactions. Such people definitely include your spouse, who certainly can expect to know about anyone you're having sexual interactions with."​

Would this statement be "about what everyone else should do"? Or does it just apply only to me?

LOL Beautiful. You actually seem to think that people don't remember what you write. Either that, or you hope and pray that they won't recognize the context of which that's a continuation. So I invite anyone who cares to look up your rants on adultery and what a man should and should not tell his wife, to get a context for both my remarks and yours, and to see for themselves how well what you say now maps to what you said then.

A search function is a handy thing.

And at this point, unless I see something in a quoteback that indicates you've actually come up with something new to say, I'm going to do what I advise you to do if you want to avoid all that nasty porn, and renew my use of the ignore button.

 

[rhiannon]

When I started my first website of mainstream images the response was overwhelming. People thought it was new that someone would post videos and stories and pictures of non-sexual tickling. Of course there were probably just as many people spanking off to them too that never said a word to me, and sometimes that bothers me. Sometimes I wonder about trying to spread the joy of tickling for fun and realizing that probably over half the people viewing the images are getting aroused.

I am really interested in this "tickling for fun" concept. In my life I have met two types of people. Type one HATES being tickled. Type two enjoys it in a sexual way. Never ever have I seen someone who would look at it as enjoying it like the way you might enjoy a massage.
Ok, most people like to tickle, but hardly anyone likes to be tickled. So how is this "tickling for fun" even able to exist?

Also, why does it bother you that people are getting aroused at seeing "non-sexual" tickling pictures?

 

[toyou444]

I am really interested in this "tickling for fun" concept. In my life I have met two types of people. Type one HATES being tickled. Type two enjoys it in a sexual way. Never ever have I seen someone who would look at it as enjoying it like the way you might enjoy a massage.
Ok, most people like to tickle, but hardly anyone likes to be tickled. So how is this "tickling for fun" even able to exist?

Also, why does it bother you that people are getting aroused at seeing "non-sexual" tickling pictures?

It exists in my world because I like both ways! LOL! I am 75% 'ler and 25% 'lee. I can tickle with no sexual conotation what-so-ever, but I also use it my my sexual life with my wife.

I truly believe that people can just tickle each other and laugh and have a good time without all the sexual stuff. Which is why I call it tickling for fun!

Here is what the ORIGINAL stie look like back in 2000!

It bothers me in the sense of as I get older that what I see as innocent fun someone else may getting off on and should I be posting pictures that someone is going to use for their own sexual gratification?

Its is an internal struggle that I have verbalized for the first time in this thread.

~ toyou

 

[Illtcklu]

I prefer tickling people who are clothed. If I remove a piece or two, they'll get more ticklish, I'm really not that interested in nude tickling, my tickle stakedown notwithstanding.

I was saddenned in the 80's when bondage videos became all nude for several years (fortunately not all, but a vast majority) and I TOO am saddenned at the emphasis on SEX and TICKLING.

Tickling can be sexual, it need NOT be sexual to make people happy, socialize and enjoy each other's company. That seems to be the purpose of gatherings, to tickle and have fun, not to force someone to have an orgasm during tickling.

I feel that if I were a vanilla woman just starting out, the overt sexuality might push me away right away. I would want to keep that something I was waiting to do with the right person, not discuss with just about everyone.

Thus far, while I've put quite a bit of tickling in my videos and photo shoots, I've never tickled a nude woman and only ONE man.

Mistress Stephanie

This is the BEST response of all! Why has this one been so ignored? It's short and sweet, and to the point.

My opinion is my opinion. It's not going to change. This is true of everyone else I see responding on here. Some people seem to think that writing a novel as a response will all of a sudden make others change their minds. It won't.

Just agree to disagree.

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Makes me wonder how long you've been into this. 😉 It started way before MT and RT did it. And I don't mean posers like CalStar either. Tickling Paradise did one of the first "orgasm tickle" videos. Solefully Yours and ANA did nude videos back in the mid to late 90s. So did Holly. So did Silvercherry. And all of them were "of us."

Well the first video I managed to buy was back in 1990 which was the Harmony video Ticklish starring Whitney Prescott and Ashley Renee. Sure that had semi nudity in some of the video, but it was not what was driving it. One of the best scenes in that had Whitney clothed and hogtied squirming across the floor. Cal Star on the other hand had their faults (namely the variability Ticklishness of thier models) but I always liked their style of recreating old movies, such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre T & T 15, Jack the Ripper or Phantom of the Opera. The crap producers that came to mind of this era were Platinum who whose whole ambition was to get as many beaver shots in as possible.

Now, ask yourself why that happened. Why did even the "genuine" producers start doing nude work? (and almost every one of them did) The reason is obvious: that's what sells. And that's what sells because that's what the majority of "us" want to see. ?

This surprises me in so much as what is the selling point here, the nudity or the ticklishness of the model. I like looking at a hot female body as much as the next guy, but I tend to find that in clips these days that few models can fulfill both criteria. So yes I am one of the (ever so slightly) faked ticklishness police. One of the best clips I have bought recently has been from ACE FOOT PRODUCTIONS called Ticklish Dolls, which I had to have after seeing a sample clip of two fully dressed girls in stocks called Regan and Kat. One of these girls (don't know which is which) is so hysterical she is beside herself with laughter, and although not in distress (based on her reaction at the sart of each segment) looks at one point that she came close to throwing up. Before anyone rushes out to buy this, be aware this is about a fifteen minute segment of an hour long download where the rest of the girls are nowhere that standard. Yet even then I would far sooner have someone like that than some naked model, of the "ha ha stop it, oh not the feet" variety.

You can't be serious. Do you really think that you could show a movie about a man or woman being tied up and tickled to almost anyone, and not have them look at you strangely? Think about trying to explain your interest in such a movie to your mother. How do you think that conversation would go? And if you don't like the idea of trying to do that, then just how non-sexual do you really think your interest is, with or without nudity?

On the one hand you are partly right, yet on the other don't underestimate that most adults tickle others to a certain extent, without seeing it as anything either sexual or fetish related. Also bondage doesn't necessarily have to be a part of it always.

 

[LindyHopper]

Some people seem to think that writing a novel as a response will all of a sudden make others change their minds. It won't.

Some of us like to read, and to write. It shows that we're thinking, and that's a good thing.

Was that short enough for you? 😉

 

[Iggy pop]

You know this thread confuses me. At first, I thought it was people who were against nudity in their tickling or for that matter any sexuality in their tickling. They were advocating that we should get rid of it all. Well, some of us here like it. Speaking for myself, I know I like looking at naked women. I find the bodies of naked women beautiful, arousing, and stimulating. I don't think anybody is saying every picture has to be nude picture or every video should contain nudity or forced orgasms, but just that those material be allowed. If you look on this site, I don't think the majority of material includes sexuality or nudity. Some people complained about the banners, and Myriads explain those banners pay for the site we are on. That should be case closed unless somebody is willing to pay the money those banners bring in out of their own wallet.

Then the assertion came up that if we got rid of the nudity then this place would be more friendly to "vanilla" world." I'm going to be honest with you, if this is your goal, then you need to get rid of all foot fetish material on this site. I will tell you this a lot more people in the "vanilla" world(mainly women) would be turned off by the foot fethish stuff than by the nudity. Also I think you may want to get rid of all non-consensual stories. Is this really the goal? Do you want to turn tickling into some type of "new age" mediatation technique?

 

[P[a]pi]

If ya think about it, there is a lot of stuff here that doesn't have anything to do with tickling and it's the tickling media forum.

Think if things were reversed. What if this was the vibrator media forum and then all of a sudden people started posting a bunch of clips involving tickling, with maybe 10 secs of vibrator at the end. The vibrator people would be like, "um... why is this here?"

But for some reason a girl getting vibed has somehow been connected to tickling. I just wonder how that happened. I mean I don't really care that it happened. I'm not complaining, but I do find it odd haha.

And it's gonna be funny to see what else is connected to tickling. I could easily see that eventually there will be clips of naked guys just screwing naked chicks while they are tied up, they both have orgasms, then the guy tickles her feet for 10 secs. And that will be considered "tickling media." It's just funny to me.

 

[drew70]

I think you need to learn more about online fora. In fact, most people who join any online community post a few times or lurk for a little while and then don't come back. Doesn't matter the topic, or whether it has anything to do with sex at all.

I think I know as much as the next guy about online fora. It's the online fauna you gotta watch out for!

What the numbers from Alexa show is that we don't get much traffic AT ALL, repeat or otherwise, in the larger context of the internet. The most popular tickling site on the net is still just a drop in the bucket, because very, very few people care about this interest. The numbers show that your dire predictions about the harm we're doing to the public image of tickling are just so much nonsense, because for most practical purposes tickling has no public image.

There are very few people in the world who've lived their lives never tickling or having been tickled. To say most of the world doesn't know or care about it based on how many hits a single website says we get is a really far stretch. None of that changes the fact that anybody in the world who Google's "tickling" will find us at the top of the list. So yes, we are indeed in the limelight, such as it is. In short, we might not be making a big impact, but the things I said are true of the impact we are making, be it big or small.

Well, duh. General discussion isn't for sex, and Tickling Discussion has as much sexuality to it as people put into their tickling. And as you're well aware, most people here sexualize that. So any discussion there among people who do so is, in essence, a discussion about sex.

I agree except for two things.

1. According to it's official designation, General discussion "is specifically here for discussion of any matters or topics that are NOT tickling related." So any discussion of sex would more appropriately appear in General than Tickling.
2. Discussions about tickling are not discussions about sex by default, which is what you seem to be saying, if I'm reading you correctly. Tickling and sex are two entirely different acts. I agree they go together quite nicely, but let's not confuse one with the other.

Um, right. I'm beginning to doubt that your ideas about this have any connection to reality whatever.

You mean "whatSOever," don't you? Whatever you say. 😉

Even old tickling producers like CalStar still did clothed productions more often than not in the old days. The early producers who actually liked the fetish themselves (companies like Magic Touch, Solefully Yours, RealTickling, and Tickling Paradise) started off doing clothed videos but started doing nude work just as soon as they could afford to pay for it. The only reason you find more clothed material available now is because you find more of all sorts of tickling material now, but nudity is still what sells the best and the most.

Dude, all I know is that I find a lot more clothed tickling today than I did ten or twenty years ago. Other folks have made similar observations, so evidently there are other folks besides me who have no "connection to reality whatever."

No, I don't know any such thing. You've predicted that if the forum moved away from its sexual emphasis then it would boom. If you're right, then there should be a forum out there that has discovered your magic formula. Where is it? Is it TickleTheater? No, doesn't seem to be. Why hasn't someone else figured this out and put it into practice? If in fact you're a genius ahead of your time, then it should be a snap for you to start up a forum doing the "smart" thing (as you put it) and outstrip the TMF in no time. So I invite you to try. Unless of course you know as well as I do what the truth is, and what the outcome would be.

Not at all. There are plenty of forums out there with ZERO emphasis on sex that are far more popular than the TMF. But that's not even the point. When I stated my theory, (and until it's proven it'll be just that, a theory), I used the term "we" meaning "We, the TMF". Whatever I postulated or theorized, it pertained strictly to the TMF. Other forums don't apply because they are not "TMF" which, porn or no, is a unique collection of staff, members, and contributors that one can't just recreate on a whim. Yet you're suggesting I go to the considerable time, effort, and expense of creating another forum, for the sole purpuse of proving a point? Sorry to bust your bubble, but it's just not THAT important to me. You think I'm wrong. Believe it or not, I can actually live with that.

But that would mean that you were here peddling a lie that even you don't believe in, just to stir up trouble. And I can't believe you'd do something like that. So get out there and prove me wrong. I'd love to see it.

Thanks, but I'll pass. I'm content simply KNOWING you're wrong. I neither desire nor require any further proof. 🙂

LOL Beautiful. You actually seem to think that people don't remember what you write. Either that, or you hope and pray that they won't recognize the context of which that's a continuation.

Actually, it's neither. I'm rather pleased with my success in those threads and often point people to them.

So I invite anyone who cares to look up your rants on adultery and what a man should and should not tell his wife, to get a context for both my remarks and yours, and to see for themselves how well what you say now maps to what you said then. A search function is a handy thing.

I agree it is, but I don't see you using it. If my posting history is that questionable, you should be able to find an example pretty easily. However, I suspect you've already tried without success. So get out there and prove me wrong. I'd love to see it.

And at this point, unless I see something in a quoteback that indicates you've actually come up with something new to say, I'm going to do what I advise you to do if you want to avoid all that nasty porn, and renew my use of the ignore button.

Ah yes, the dreaded IGNORE button. You know what? Experience has taught me that people who announce their use of the ignore button as a statement (I don't like you, so I'm going to IGNORE you), do so in a petulent frenzy; and rarely if ever follow through with it for long. But hey, do what you gotta do, man. I'll be here whenever you decide to get over it.

 

[drew70]

If ya think about it, there is a lot of stuff here that doesn't have anything to do with tickling and it's the tickling media forum.

Think if things were reversed. What if this was the vibrator media forum and then all of a sudden people started posting a bunch of clips involving tickling, with maybe 10 secs of vibrator at the end. The vibrator people would be like, "um... why is this here?"

But for some reason a girl getting vibed has somehow been connected to tickling. I just wonder how that happened. I mean I don't really care that it happened. I'm not complaining, but I do find it odd haha.

And it's gonna be funny to see what else is connected to tickling. I could easily see that eventually there will be clips of naked guys just screwing naked chicks while they are tied up, they both have orgasms, then the guy tickles her feet for 10 secs. And that will be considered "tickling media." It's just funny to me.

Well said. I too find it quite funny.

 

[drew70]

I prefer tickling people who are clothed. If I remove a piece or two, they'll get more ticklish, I'm really not that interested in nude tickling, my tickle stakedown notwithstanding.

I was saddenned in the 80's when bondage videos became all nude for several years (fortunately not all, but a vast majority) and I TOO am saddenned at the emphasis on SEX and TICKLING.

Tickling can be sexual, it need NOT be sexual to make people happy, socialize and enjoy each other's company. That seems to be the purpose of gatherings, to tickle and have fun, not to force someone to have an orgasm during tickling.

I feel that if I were a vanilla woman just starting out, the overt sexuality might push me away right away. I would want to keep that something I was waiting to do with the right person, not discuss with just about everyone.

Thus far, while I've put quite a bit of tickling in my videos and photo shoots, I've never tickled a nude woman and only ONE man.

Mistress Stephanie

You are indeed a lady of class and distinction, Mistress!

 

[rhiannon]

There are very few people in the world who've lived their lives never tickling or having been tickled. To say most of the world doesn't know or care about it based on how many hits a single website says we get is a really far stretch. None of that changes the fact that anybody in the world who Google's "tickling" will find us at the top of the list. So yes, we are indeed in the limelight, such as it is.

But Drew...why in the world would anybody not having a deeper-going interest in tickling ever google for that word? 🙂 I certainly never would have if it wasn't my fetish! 🙂 When I talk to people who are not into it and tell them I have this fetish, they have never heard about it before!

 

[Iggy pop]

If ya think about it, there is a lot of stuff here that doesn't have anything to do with tickling and it's the tickling media forum.

Think if things were reversed. What if this was the vibrator media forum and then all of a sudden people started posting a bunch of clips involving tickling, with maybe 10 secs of vibrator at the end. The vibrator people would be like, "um... why is this here?"

But for some reason a girl getting vibed has somehow been connected to tickling. I just wonder how that happened. I mean I don't really care that it happened. I'm not complaining, but I do find it odd haha.

And it's gonna be funny to see what else is connected to tickling. I could easily see that eventually there will be clips of naked guys just screwing naked chicks while they are tied up, they both have orgasms, then the guy tickles her feet for 10 secs. And that will be considered "tickling media." It's just funny to me.

I agree, but we have clips on this site that deal with feet and no tickling what so ever.

 

[rhiannon]

I can also live without the models being naked when they are tickled, and for sure I don't need a good looking one since I am a woman, the only thing I need is a ticklish model. 🙂 But no matter if the ticklee is dressed or not while tickled, the tickling itself arouses me. And I bet I'm not the only one like that here. So, in a way, tickling clips are "porn" one way or another, whether the model is dressed or naked.

 

[Iggy pop]

But Drew...why in the world would anybody not having a deeper-going interest in tickling ever google for that word? 🙂 I certainly never would have if it wasn't my fetish! 🙂 When I talk to people who are not into it and tell them I have this fetish, they have never heard about it before!

The word tickling gets roughly 75,000 searches a month. My guess is that the majority of those searches are from people that are already members. By the way "Tickling Media forum" recieves roughly about 10,000 searches a month.

Most people who do not have the fetish, do not give much thought to tickling at all. They are not searching for it in the search engines; they are not looking for tickling stories, videos, or clips. It is not a bid deal to them.

 

[drew70]

But Drew...why in the world would anybody not having a deeper-going interest in tickling ever google for that word? 🙂 I certainly never would have if it wasn't my fetish! 🙂 When I talk to people who are not into it and tell them I have this fetish, they have never heard about it before!

Any number of reasons, I would imagine. Somebody getting tickled constantly and wants to know if there's any information on how to defend onself. Somebody else wanting to know of all those stories about Catherine the Great are true. There's a website tickle.com that has zip to do with tickling but offers interesting services such as IQ tests, etc. Somebody might be looking for that. Basically it's so easy, all that required is somebody to see or think of tickling while they are surfing and bored. These examples are just off the top of my head. The important thing to remember is that there ARE people who surf into the TMF. The reason or the means doesn't matter. It happens.

Say, weren't you the one that thought this shouldn't be discussed? I'm glad to see you've had a change of heart. 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

I still feel nudity and sex are no big deal. 🙂 But hey, I love to discuss anyways, especially when I am trying to widen my horizon! 🙂

These examples seem to come right out of fantasyland if you ask me. 😉 Even if not, how many people are that? Compared to people who really are into it? Probably a very, very little number. And even if not, even if the whole world was looking at this forum every day and shook its head in disgust, I wouldn't care, because I am not ashamed of the way I feel about tickling, I am not ashamed of my own sexuality. 🙂

 

[Iggy pop]

The important thing to remember is that there ARE people who surf into the TMF. The reason or the means doesn't matter. It happens.

I am sure that it happens, but I do not think it happens that often. I think the overwhelming majority come to the TMF because they have the fetish. I don't believe that the people that come here out of curiosity are not staying around because of naked images.

 

[isabeau]

while arguing with my husband over whether or not the TMF is a porn site, and he thinks it is...well anyhoo, i have rather a funny story about that..i wanted him to see something on my signature, i think about the sista hood, the picture is really nice sparkly and all, and i wanted him to see it..so he comes over and looks over my shoulder..and instead of noticing what i wanted him to see..he notices what i never do, the pictures to the left here, with the partial nude picture of a female..and says i knew it, this is a porn site...sighs..i think it's rather funny that in all the times i visit this forum, i hardly ever glance at the pictures on the left hand side, yet that was the first thing he focuses on and comments...

my question is...and gesh i can't believe this thread is still going strong after five days absence on my part..what is porn? is nudity in and of itself porn? or how the nudity is used in connection with porn? to me and maybe i'm naive, i always thought porn was about sex plain and simple, sex on video, intercourse on video...female, male, both what have you, i thought porn always had to do with actual intercourse..

 

[Redmage]

Cal Star on the other hand had their faults (namely the variability Ticklishness of thier models) but I always liked their style of recreating old movies, such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre T & T 15, Jack the Ripper or Phantom of the Opera. The crap producers that came to mind of this era were Platinum who whose whole ambition was to get as many beaver shots in as possible.

Yep, CalStar's besetting sin was the fact that they didn't care all that much if the model was really ticklish or not. But they didn't go in much for nudity. In fact as you note their specialty was really costuming and 'tickle-parodies' of famous plotlines.

This surprises me in so much as what is the selling point here, the nudity or the ticklishness of the model.

That depends in part on the producer and whom they perceive to be their audience (which is usually based on their sales). In the old days (CalStar, Platinum, Harmony) nudity or at least physical attractiveness often trumped ticklishness, mainly because most of those producers weren't specifically interested in tickling and so the lack of genuine reactions didn't hit them as hard as it did some of their viewers.

But then some genuine tickling fans started getting into it, and things began to change. Real reactions became more important, and producers like Solefully Yours and Magic Touch began producing mostly clothed videos. However it's clear from the history of these companies that in most cases they weren't doing clothed videos because they wanted to. Their customers kept asking for more sexual themes, and as soon as they could afford to pay for nude work they began doing it. In that case you began seeing the best of both worlds - producers who valued ticklishness began looking for ticklish models willing to take their clothes off. Which is most of what we see nowadays.

A side note: a bondage producer that I know (Lorelei of Bedroombondage) has griped often that viewers really can't tell who is and is not ticklish. She mentions specifically Ashley Renee, who is often described by customers as a terrible faker in terms of ticklishness. Lorelei reports, having actually tickled Ashley, that she is in fact screamingly ticklish, and that some models who are perceived as very ticklish actually aren't.

On the one hand you are partly right, yet on the other don't underestimate that most adults tickle others to a certain extent, without seeing it as anything either sexual or fetish related. Also bondage doesn't necessarily have to be a part of it always.

True, as far as it goes. However tickling videos without bondage are even more rare than tickling without nudity. And no matter how you slice it a movie that focuses purely on a beautiful woman being tickled (especially by another beautiful woman), with no plot or one that was obviously put together just to explain the tickling, will be perceived by most people as some sort of sexual fetish film. And they will look at you strangely if they perceive that you enjoy it.

Like I said, would you show such a movie to your mother?

what is porn? is nudity in and of itself porn? or how the nudity is used in connection with porn? to me and maybe i'm naive, i always thought porn was about sex plain and simple, sex on video, intercourse on video...female, male, both what have you, i thought porn always had to do with actual intercourse..

I posted a definition of pornography early in the thread. In essence, it's anything that depicts scenes that are intended to be sexually arousing to the target audience. Basically, if it turns you on, and the producer meant it to turn you on, it's porn.

Actual intercourse is usually considered to be the difference between "hardcore" porn (which has actual sex in it) and "softcore" porn (which contains no sex or only suggests that sex is going on).

These examples seem to come right out of fantasyland if you ask me. 😉 Even if not, how many people are that? Compared to people who really are into it? Probably a very, very little number. And even if not, even if the whole world was looking at this forum every day and shook its head in disgust, I wouldn't care, because I am not ashamed of the way I feel about tickling, I am not ashamed of my own sexuality. 🙂

As I noted in my replies to him, Drew is living in a fantasy world. No matter what face he tries to put on it, the plain fact of the matter is that this site attracts 0.00325% of all internet users, even to visit once, let alone to join. That's 325 out of every 10 MILLION people on the internet. And we are the most popular site on the net for this subject, by far.

No matter how one tries to repackage that fact, 325 out of 10 million is a laughably small number for any sort of "public relations" concern. We are not "in the limelight." We're barely even in candlelight.

And to top it all off, the most popular tickling site on the net is a sexual tickling site. So is every other important tickling site on the net. This fact is lost on Drew, who keeps insisting that the "smart" thing would be to get rid of sex here. Then, presumably, we could be doing as well as all the other non-sexual tickling sites on the internet. Unfortunately I can't think of any of those at the moment. That fact would say something to someone who lived in the real world.

 

[Mistress Aura]

my question is...and gesh i can't believe this thread is still going strong after five days absence on my part..what is porn? is nudity in and of itself porn? or how the nudity is used in connection with porn? to me and maybe i'm naive, i always thought porn was about sex plain and simple, sex on video, intercourse on video...female, male, both what have you, i thought porn always had to do with actual intercourse..

"Pornography" is a layperson's term, with no particular legal significance. Jones may believe that Penthouse is non-pornographic, while Smith believes that it is. Neither is incorrect.

The term of legal significance is "obscenity", which, after struggling for many years and through many cases, the U.S. Supreme Court defined in Miller v. California in 1973. It is a three-part test, as follows:

"The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be:
(a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Kois v. Wisconsin, supra, at 230, quoting Roth v. United States, supra, at 489;
(b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

Note that part (a) does employ community standards. However, all three parts must be met for a work to be deemed obscene, and part (c), as the Court has held elsewhere, is a national threshold, not a community test.
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Therefore, it appears that ANYthing that sparks someone in the down-below can be considered "pornography" if somebody wants to raise a stink about it. I reiterate: why else would a video of a fully-clothed adult being tickled wind up removed from YouTube as "inappropriate"?

Your husband may see this site as pornographic because he knows it sparks you. And if the picture in your sig sparked him, then yes, he's probably thinking it's porn because he reacted to it.

Either way, it's worth discussing with him to find out the "why" behind the "what", you know?

(And I am still sooooo glad to see you!! )

Mistress Aura

 

[isabeau]

thank you Mistress Aura..nice to see you as well..it's not the signature picture however i'm talking about..it is the picture of the topless girl over there....<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, that he noticed..the girl with her hands over her head, tied over her head..live camgirls i think it's called..and to tell you the truth, i'm not sure why i shared that rather silly story with everyone here lol...i think i'm like jet lagging or something, even though we didn't fly..hmmm

p.s. sorry Redmage, didn't see your earlier description...thanks for posting it again..

 

[Redmage]

But for some reason a girl getting vibed has somehow been connected to tickling. I just wonder how that happened. I mean I don't really care that it happened. I'm not complaining, but I do find it odd haha.

It started because people liked tickling videos that included orgasmic play, and the most reliable way to bring a woman to orgasm on-camera (aside from gloving up and playing with her G-spot) is a vibrator. That led to some crossover between tickling films and forced orgasm films (which were already a hot commodity in bondage media), and now some producers do both.

The biggest one here is almost certainly RealTickling, but TIB is pretty careful to specify when a vibrator clip contains little or no tickling. So I don't see the lines blurring as much as you do, and what crossover there is isn't too hard to understand.

 

[drew70]

I still feel nudity and sex are no big deal. 🙂 But hey, I love to discuss anyways, especially when I am trying to widen my horizon! 🙂

I can tell you do. 🙂 Especially when you say things like "So why even have this conversation??" 🙂

These examples seem to come right out of fantasyland if you ask me. 😉

But I didn't ask you. 😉 You asked me. 😉

Even if not, how many people are that? Compared to people who really are into it? Probably a very, very little number.

I've said it at least twice now. I'm not arguing the numbers. Just that it does happen. Perhaps if I say it in German it will help you to remember. Ich argumentiere nicht Zahlen. Ich sage einfach, daß er geschieht! 🙂

And even if not, even if the whole world was looking at this forum every day and shook its head in disgust, I wouldn't care, because I am not ashamed of the way I feel about tickling, I am not ashamed of my own sexuality. 🙂

Good. You should never feel ashamed of your sexuality or the way you feel about tickling. I feel no such shame either. 🙂 However there are other reasons to demonstrate discretion besides shame. Respect and consideration for others are at the top of that list. Legalities aside, I wouldn't go naked in public because it would be disrespectful to my fellow man. I'm not ashamed of how I look naked, but why go out of my way simply to offend other people? Okay, maybe I'm not the best one to ask that question. But the principle still holds. I wear clothes not out of shame, but rather out of consideration of others.

The TMF is a public forum. The administrators have gone to considerable effort (and admirably so) to put the TMF at the top of the Google list. What we tend to forget is that while to us, the TMF is a cool place to hang out and discuss topics such as this one, it's also a business. The more people that visit, the more justified the forum administrators are in charging other companies to advertise here. While you personally might not care what other people think of the TMF, I assure you the forum adminstration cares a great deal. It would be bad business NOT to care.

With this concern in mind, it's important to consider the face we put out to the rest of the world. Redmage's dismissal of this by quoting numbers and percentages is completely irrelevant. If we want to attract new members, we have to make an effort to be attractive in any way we can to the bulk of society. All I'm saying is that I personally believe this might be better accomplished with less emphasis on sex. I might very well be wrong. But it makes sense to me, which is why I share such views. It's silly for Redmage, Lindy and the others to feel so outraged and threatened by this. It's just an opinion, something to consider or flat out disregard. 🙂

 

[Iggy pop]

The TMF is a public forum. The administrators have gone to considerable effort (and admirably so) to put the TMF at the top of the Google list. What we tend to forget is that while to us, the TMF is a cool place to hang out and discuss topics such as this one, it's also a business. The more people that visit, the more justified the forum administrators are in charging other companies to advertise here. While you personally might not care what other people think of the TMF, I assure you the forum adminstration cares a great deal. It would be bad business NOT to care.

The Tmf is not exactly a public forum, since it is privately owned. It is also an adult forum, and you have to be 18 to enter( yeah I know there is probably a lot of people breaking that rule) But I will say it again by getting rid of the nudity you will not attract many more people. The Foot Fetish material will turn more people off than the nudity.