Ticklishness is more variable than constant for most people

[D-Tickler]

I agree with 99% of everything you said, BUT I think it’s actually a bigger fallacy to assume completely non-ticklish people exist than to assume all people have some levels of ticklishness.

Because on a pure theoretical level, there are infinite methods that can contribute to just one reaction of ticklishness and you only need 1 to be true to prove ticklishness. Whereas the converse is that if you want to prove complete non-ticklishness you need all infinite factors to be false, if that makes sense.

I can definitely see the sense of your argument! And I find this sense is primarily theoretical-oriented.
However, in reality, such a sense is not so sufficient. For one can only execute finite methods of tickling in real life...

So, I choose to include some kind(s) of completely non-ticklish ppl in the exceptional group

 

[ihatethisyo]

For one can only execute finite methods of tickling in real life...

So, I choose to include some kind(s) of completely non-ticklish ppl in the exceptional group

yes, I hear you. But if one day a non-ticklish person all of a sudden has a ticklish reaction based on a specific circumstance/mood/person, do they change groups?

Or maybe we can all agree, everyone has the potential to be ticklish? Some just never get that experience?

 

[WickedTouch]

After reading this post of you, I realise a possibility:
I might not have clearly expressed everything of my original stance in my posts of #20 & #22, especially since I'm not a native English speaker (I should appologise if that's the case).

Because of my limited English level, I can often find several unfamiliar words and/or terms in the posts of you & others. And I may sometimes even have a bit difficulty to fully understand the genuine meanings of some words or terms even under the help of my online dictionary.
For example, the term 'benignly not ticklish' had been rather unfamiliar for me. And I need to carefully figure out & sense the genuine meaning of this term (and hopefully, I've successfully gotten it).

Then, the first thing I want to say is: Based on my understanding of the type 'benignly not ticklish', I may categorise the exampled little Korean girl (that I mentioned in #22) into this type. For me, she has the trait of being born without tickle nerve. And this trait should have been formed in a simply natural way, which has definitely no concern with medical complication, disease, dysfunction, etc. And the ppl who are in the same case as her are regarded as 'benignly not ticklish' by me as well.
Moreover, some ppl have completely lost their formerly existed tickle nerves through natural aging (most likely due to the natural neurodegeneration). For me, those ppl are also benignly not ticklish.

So, from my perspective, those ppl described above are with zero ticklishness, and are benignly not ticklish at all.
On the other hand, I categorise those ppl into the exceptional group (in my statement). Tbh, I even regard those 'benignly not ticklish' ppl as the potential mainstream of the exceptional group.

Probably, you don't really want to categorise those ppl above into the exceptional group as I do.
If it's the case, it would really concern the small but important difference between our perspectives.

Hopefully, I've expressed every point in a sufficiently clear way, which may help you to understand my real stance, and the similarities & difference (if it really exists) between our perspectives.

PS: I sometimes really wish that I was a native English speaker!

No problem at all regarding your English language comprehension. You certainly can’t control what language you were born into. For a non-native speaker, I’d say your English is very good overall.

Now knowing you are not a native English speaker, I’ll try to clarify further. Benign, and benignly in this context are less literal and more metaphoric. So instead, read it as something like neutral, natural, or something that does not concern problems with the body. Basically, something that is less common or could be perceived as being atypical, but not cause for concern otherwise. Nerve damage or degeneration would not be in that category (i.e. Those are medically significant).

I’m not exactly sure if this applies to the Korean girl or not however, as I don’t know the circumstances exactly and I don’t fully understand what you mean by “tickle nerve.” If you mean that for whatever reason she was born not ticklish with no disease or other health concerns that are causal, then yes, I agree with you in that I would include those in the spectrum (e.g., 0-10 instead of 1-10). .

I agree with 99% of everything you said, BUT I think it’s actually a bigger fallacy to assume completely non-ticklish people exist than to assume all people have some levels of ticklishness.

Because on a pure theoretical level, there are infinite methods that can contribute to just one reaction of ticklishness and you only need 1 to be true to prove ticklishness. Whereas the converse is that if you want to prove complete non-ticklishness you need all infinite factors to be false, if that makes sense.

I respect what you’re saying here, and on a quantitative logic dimension, you are correct on that singular point of comparison, but I am mostly trying to make a qualitative point here to essentially say that we don’t have a reliable way to prove either of these true or false at this point in time, and it would be unreasonable to make an absolute statement such as the one he suggested. Even if it were a quantitative logical analysis, there are more points of comparison to consider within the fallacy concepts, such as the number of people to be considered (i.e., For the “non-ticklish people exist,” you’d only need to prove it for one person that is not ticklish, whereas for the “everyone is ticklish,” you’d have to test everyone now and forever ).

 

[ihatethisyo]

For the “non-ticklish people exist,” you’d only need to prove it for one person that is not ticklish, whereas for the “everyone is ticklish,” you’d have to test everyone now and forever ).

That’s a great point and I see your point of view now. I definitely don’t think either absolute statement is reasonable to make.

I tend to just simplify my stance as everyone has the “potential” to be ticklish, but some people will never experience it at all. But I think the vast majority of humanity will experience ticklish sensations in some capacity, in whatever range of 1-100.

 

[WickedTouch]

That’s a great point and I see your point of view now. I definitely don’t think either absolute statement is reasonable to make.

I tend to just simplify my stance as everyone has the “potential” to be ticklish, but some people will never experience it at all. But I think the vast majority of humanity will experience ticklish sensations in some capacity, in whatever range of 1-100.

Thank you for trying to see my position. Yeah, I think I feel very similarly to you as far as my belief (guess?) goes, except I don’t quite know where I would put zero ticklishness in the distribution. I suspect higher than you, but I don’t feel strongly enough to commit to anything there. But it is a belief or educated guess for all of us, that’s for sure.

One thing I do know, is that I certainly desire everyone to be ticklish, whether I believe it to be true or not! 🙂

 

[D-Tickler]

No problem at all regarding your English language comprehension. You certainly can’t control what language you were born into. For a non-native speaker, I’d say your English is very good overall.

Now knowing you are not a native English speaker, I’ll try to clarify further. Benign, and benignly in this context are less literal and more metaphoric. So instead, read it as something like neutral, natural, or something that does not concern problems with the body. Basically, something that is less common or could be perceived as being atypical, but not cause for concern otherwise. Nerve damage or degeneration would not be in that category (i.e. Those are medically significant).

I’m not exactly sure if this applies to the Korean girl or not however, as I don’t know the circumstances exactly and I don’t fully understand what you mean by “tickle nerve.” If you mean that for whatever reason she was born not ticklish with no disease or other health concerns that are causal, then yes, I agree with you in that I would include those in the spectrum (e.g., 0-10 instead of 1-10).

Thank you for your understanding & further clarification!

I think that you've basically get the intent of exampling the little Korean girl.
Yes, I indeed mean that she was born not ticklish with no disease or other health concerns that are causal. Or, more precisely, I mean that she doesn't have the capacity to experience the tickling sensation by born.
And the term 'tickle nerve' is made by me based on the term 'pain nerve'.
Just like pain nerve is responsible to get the painful sensation, tickle nerve is responsible to get the tickling sensation.
Accordingly, ppl born without tickle nerve can never experience the tickling sensation, just like ppl born without pain nerve can never experience the painful sensation.
(PS: I somewhat want to find that video concerning that Korean show and let you watch it. However, it's almost impossible to find a video that was shown at least 15 years ago)

In addition, I'm not sure if I correctly used the term 'natural neurodegeneration' in the post #24.
I used this term to indicate the phenomenon that the nerve sensitivity of many ppl tend to naturally decrease (or degenerate) throughout (natural) aging. So, they naturally become less and less sensitive to virtually all kinds of sensation, including tickling sensation.
And some of them eventually become having zero sensitivity to tickling sensation at certain age(s).
(I've really observed that many ppl have become less sensitive to tickling in some spots through aging.)
For me, the ppl who eventually have zero sensitivity to tickling sensation can also be seen as being benignly not ticklish.

Hopefully, I've also clarified everything well.
And I want to say: It may be even more challenging to research on what make ppl not/less ticklish than on what make ppl ticklish🤔

 

[WickedTouch]

Thank you for your understanding & further clarification!

I think that you've basically get the intent of exampling the little Korean girl.
Yes, I indeed mean that she was born not ticklish with no disease or other health concerns that are causal. Or, more precisely, I mean that she doesn't have the capacity to experience the tickling sensation by born.
And the term 'tickle nerve' is made by me based on the term 'pain nerve'.
Just like pain nerve is responsible to get the painful sensation, tickle nerve is responsible to get the tickling sensation.
Accordingly, ppl born without tickle nerve can never experience the tickling sensation, just like ppl born without pain nerve can never experience the painful sensation.
(PS: I somewhat want to find that video concerning that Korean show and let you watch it. However, it's almost impossible to find a video that was shown at least 15 years ago)

In addition, I'm not sure if I correctly used the term 'natural neurodegeneration' in the post #24.
I used this term to indicate the phenomenon that the nerve sensitivity of many ppl tend to naturally decrease (or degenerate) throughout (natural) aging. So, they naturally become less and less sensitive to virtually all kinds of sensation, including tickling sensation.
And some of them eventually become having zero sensitivity to tickling sensation at certain age(s).
(I've really observed that many ppl have become less sensitive to tickling in some spots through aging.)
For me, the ppl who eventually have zero sensitivity to tickling sensation can also be seen as being benignly not ticklish.

Hopefully, I've also clarified everything well.
And I want to say: It may be even more challenging to research on what make ppl not/less ticklish than on what make ppl ticklish🤔

Ah, that clears up what you intended with "tickle nerve." Just in case you're interested and don't know, there are many more factors than the nerves themselves that contribute to ticklishness, so the nerves themselves can be fine, but the brain may process it differently, the person's emotional state or processing can affect the interpretation of the signal in the pipeline, the biochemical state of the whole person may be atypical in a way that doesn't facilitate the same signal or interpretation, etc. But, interestingly, as best I understand current research, There is no nerve ending type that is specific to tickling (i.e., no "tickle nerve"). Pain and touch mediating nerve endings are primarily responsible for transmitting the signal that will later be interpretted as tickling to the appropriate central nervous system processing clusters. This information is just an aside from what we were talking about and to explain why i was confused about your term "tickle nerve."

I would say your term "natural neurodegeneration" conveys the meaning you intended appropriately. Though, i will say that the opposite has also been observed in people as they age—that is to say, some people get more tiklish as they age.

 

[ihatethisyo]

One thing I do know, is that I certainly desire everyone to be ticklish, whether I believe it to be true or not! 🙂

I think it would be absolutely fascinating to set up tickle fights between “non-ticklish” people. We could even up the contest stakes so that if no one cracks after a few minutes, more ticklers are recruited to help until there’s a clear loser.

The heightened environment would almost certainly make it a decent challenge for all contestants involved 😆

 

[D-Tickler]

Ah, that clears up what you intended with "tickle nerve." Just in case you're interested and don't know, there are many more factors than the nerves themselves that contribute to ticklishness, so the nerves themselves can be fine, but the brain may process it differently, the person's emotional state or processing can affect the interpretation of the signal in the pipeline, the biochemical state of the whole person may be atypical in a way that doesn't facilitate the same signal or interpretation, etc. But, interestingly, as best I understand current research, There is no nerve ending type that is specific to tickling (i.e., no "tickle nerve"). Pain and touch mediating nerve endings are primarily responsible for transmitting the signal that will later be interpretted as tickling to the appropriate central nervous system processing clusters. This information is just an aside from what we were talking about and to explain why i was confused about your term "tickle nerve."

I would say your term "natural neurodegeneration" conveys the meaning you intended appropriately. Though, i will say that the opposite has also been observed in people as they age—that is to say, some people get more tiklish as they age.

You've really presented interesting information!
The tickling sensation and/or reactions seem to be the production of the cooperative works of several parts of brain, different nerves, and possibly other factors. The causes for tickling sensation and/or reactions may be much more complex than those for painful sensation and reactions.

And indeed, some people can get more ticklish (in some spots at least) throughout aging. Just as are shown in the contents of the floors #6 #10 #11, Amanda and Veronique have both become more ticklish on their soles as they age.
On the other hand, I still believe that more ppl do experience the decrement/degeneration of their sensitivities throughout aging. For scientific researches have shown that older ppl are significantly less ticklish than younger ppl in general.