TNA women divition will kill WWE's.

[SlaverTickler]

This past Thursday's TNA Impact featuered a 1 on 1 womens match with all the members of it's up coming "Knock Outs guantlet match at ringside. Although I am disapointed that TNA didn't gain the services of former WWE diva's Molly Holly or Ivory, I was very impressed by there getting someone I hadn't seen before... Amazing Kong.

Amazing Kong was anounced to be 6'1" tall and weighing in at 273 3/4 pounds ( I may be off by a pound or 2, but you get the idea). Her opponent for the match was Gail Kim (who is one of my favorts), and Kong beat her in under 5 minuets with a sit out power bomb. This woman is unbelievable, and proof that TNA is willing to put real in ring performers in there six sided ring wrather then pin-up girl diva's or no talent body builders.

 

[storm7400]

And still no one cares........

 

[SlaverTickler]

And still no one cares........

Just goes to shows how ignorant some people are they would wrather eat the sand then move to where the fresh water is.

 

[badreligion]

you seem surprised ? of course TNA's women's divison is better they are actually talented wrestlers

Vince hires those "divas" as eye candy for the fans and him self

 

[Raphael Sorel]

Indeed TNA's women division is better, but it's not yet enough to rivalize with WWE.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

you seem surprised ? of course TNA's women's divison is better they are actually talented wrestlers

Vince hires those "divas" as eye candy for the fans and him self

WWE has talented female wrestlers, also. Maybe TNA is pushing theirs harder than the WWE, but they don't have anything the WWE doesn't. WWE should let their women wreslers take more chances. Candice Michelle's fall a few weeks ago could cause them to make the womens matches more conservative. Even still, their womens matches have improved.

 

[SlaverTickler]

WWE has talented female wrestlers, also. Maybe TNA is pushing theirs harder than the WWE, but they don't have anything the WWE doesn't. WWE should let their women wreslers take more chances. Candice Michelle's fall a few weeks ago could cause them to make the womens matches more conservative. Even still, their womens matches have improved.

It's not hard to improve something that is praticly none existant since they fired all there best women wrestlers a few years back. Then when Molly Holly (the best in ring worker since womens wrestling started) quite, closely followed by Trish and Lita. Now all the have are what, Mickie James and Victoria, and I hear Victoria is on "Women's Title Free" SmackDown, wow now there is booking that makes David Ar... Ar... Mr. Courtney Cox's world title run look inteligent. Yeah WWE sure knows how to book the females. I wonder how long it would take Awsome Kong to crush their roster... probably half as long as it took Cripple H to smash the Tag Teams... oh again more briliant booking. You know Pac-Man Jones was TNA's biggest mistake, but only because he wasn't aloud to be physical in match's if he had been it would have been brilliant.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Indeed TNA's women division is better, but it's not yet enough to rivalize with WWE.

For them to "rivalize" they would have to be gunning to be on par, you just said yourself they are better. As far as suprise, I'm never suprised by TNA talent wise, I have been disapointed with some of the none in-ring stuff, like the contant Angle skits on Impact, but in the ring 90% of the time they deliver. They are trying not to sell out the Art of pro-wrestling for commers like the McMahon's have. It's not easy to do both, but I'll support them. However if the don't start putting TNA originals back in the Main Event (especialy Joe) I may stop watching wrestling on TV all together.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

It's not hard to improve something that is praticly none existant since they firsed all there best women wrestlers a few years back. Then when Molly Holly (the best in ring worker since womens wrestling started) quite, closely followed by Trish and Lita. Now all the have are what, Mickie James and Victoria, and I hear Victoria is on "Women's Title Free" SmackDown, wow now there is booking that makes David Ar... Ar... Mr. Courtney Cox's world title run look inteligent. Yeah WWE sure knows how to book the females. I wonder how long it would take Awsome Kong to crush their roster... probably half as long as it took Cripple H to smash the Tag Teams... oh again more briliant booking. You know Pac-Man Jones was TNA's biggest mistake, but only because he wasn't aloud to be physical in match's if he had been it would have been brilliant.

1. Lita and Trish weren't fired, they left on their own terms. They'd both been with the E for 6+ years and they had other things they wanted to persue. As for Molly Holly, she wasn't that important to the women's scene anyway.

2. They have Beth Phoenix, Mickie James, Melina and Candice Michelle on Raw. I agree, Victoria should be on Raw rather than Smackdown, but they still have talented women on Raw, not to mention the prospects they have in their farm teams.

3. Brilliant how? They brought in Pac-Man thinking it would help with viewership and it didn't. When the media talked about Pac-Man in TNA they didn't even mention TNA's name most of the time. They've had the same amount of viewers for a long time and it's not going to change anytime soon. Going two hours didn't even help. The best they could do was bring in Pac-Man Jones? You think fucking Pac-Man Jones had the potential to be a brilliant idea? Please.

 

[SlaverTickler]

1. Lita and Trish weren't fired, they left on their own terms. They'd both been with the E for 6+ years and they had other things they wanted to persue. As for Molly Holly, she wasn't that important to the women's scene anyway.

2. They have Beth Phoenix, Mickie James, Melina and Candice Michelle on Raw. I agree, Victoria should be on Raw rather than Smackdown, but they still have talented women on Raw, not to mention the prospects they have in their farm teams.

3. Brilliant how? They brought in Pac-Man thinking it would help with viewership and it didn't. When the media talked about Pac-Man in TNA they didn't even mention TNA's name most of the time. They've had the same amount of viewers for a long time and it's not going to change anytime soon. Going two hours didn't even help. The best they could do was bring in Pac-Man Jones? You think fucking Pac-Man Jones had the potential to be a brilliant idea? Please.

I think you should re-read my post, I daid Molly Quite, soon followed by trish and Lita... they didn't resighn that is pretty much there way of saying we don't like what your doing with the company so we are leaving. As for Candice HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... right, Candice... PLEASE!!! Pac-Man could have ben a good idea if he had been allowed to be physical in the ring, unfortunetly he wasn't and TNA should have cut there losses, had him reff a couple of matchs and sent him on his way. But it isn't much worse then thowing the late Bam Bam Bigalow under the bus for Lorance Taylor... talk about selling out the art for commer WOW. How many time do I have to explain to simple minded WWE sheep that as a wrestling fan I don't care how many viewers TNA has, I only care about the in ring product they produce. WWE isn't concerned about putting together good matchs aslong as the simple minded mass' that make up their fan base keep putting there ass' in the seats.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I think you should re-read my post, I daid Molly Quite, soon followed by trish and Lita... they didn't resighn that is pretty much there way of saying we don't like what your doing with the company so we are leaving. As for Candice HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... right, Candice... PLEASE!!! Pac-Man could have ben a good idea if he had been allowed to be physical in the ring, unfortunetly he wasn't and TNA should have cut there losses, had him reff a couple of matchs and sent him on his way. But it isn't much worse then thowing the late Bam Bam Bigalow under the bus for Lorance Taylor... talk about selling out the art for commer WOW. How many time do I have to explain to simple minded WWE sheep that as a wrestling fan I don't care how many viewers TNA has, I only care about the in ring product they produce. WWE isn't concerned about putting together good matchs aslong as the simple minded mass' that make up their fan base keep putting there ass' in the seats.

1.Yes, that must be it. They weren't happy with the product. It's not that they had other goals in life besides wrestling. I guess we'll see them in TNA soon then.

2. Candice Michelle has improved enough to be called a good wrestler.

3. Selling out the art? They let Pac-Man be a tag champ w/o wrestling. They paid him more money than they pay some of their so-called stars. And they gave more attention to him than they did their own stars. They'll push anybody ahead of their home-grown talent. And you want to talk about selling out. You can say what you want about L.T. and Bam-Bam, but it worked. Pac-Man was just one big mistake.

 

[SlaverTickler]

3. Selling out the art? They let Pac-Man be a tag champ w/o wrestling. They paid him more money than they pay some of their so-called stars. And they gave more attention to him than they did their own stars. They'll push anybody ahead of their home-grown talent. And you want to talk about selling out. You can say what you want about L.T. and Bam-Bam, but it worked. Pac-Man was just one big mistake.[/FONT]

And again I point out the mindless mases that are willing to lap up anything Vince McMahon produces like dogs drinking from a toilet bowl. It wouldn't matter anyway becuase stuck up, close minded, head-up-their-ass wwe fans will never give TNA a chance. Even a year ago when TNA was better then it is now they wouldn't and the reasons I've been given were as follows:

1) The 6 sided ring... yeah thats a solid excuse not to watch.
2)There is to much action going on and I can't keep up (cause WWE has slower matchs for the slower minded)
3) It doesn't have the story lines, and I don't really care about the in ring work rate (then go watch Y&R Ape Shit)
4) It doesn't have big enough Stars (SNOB!)
5) WWE has better raiting. (This of course is as dumb as of an excuse as I have heard. You don't watch because it doesn't get good raiting, but how is it suposed to get good raitings if you don't watch).

Then of course there is this habbit of WWE fans jumping off the banwagin when a star goes to TNA. Team 3D left WWE because the new head of talent realations was being a prick and people say "well they sucked". Christian left when his contract was up and people say "well he was neve any good anyway.". Then Kurt Angle got released and went to TNA and people screamed about was a hack he was... really, because I could have swore he was one of there top stars... I guess Vince doesn't know what he's doing.


In comparison to WWE, TNA is a smaller company. The don't have the money, or the name value that WWE has. Yet WWE has put out several, and I mean several bad PPVs in a row. I heard Foley wrote in one of his books that WWE deliberitly does bad PPV to make the Big 4 look better. Yep thats a nice way to reward your loyal customers for dropping there 39.95 every month. TNA has fucked up alot over the last 8 months to a year. I am not happy with the fact that Genissis had 4 none TNA originals in the main even, in fact I hated it. I am happy about Kaz winning the fight for the right tournament, and I hope (as unlikley as it is) that he will get to hold the god for a short time. Like I said, unlikely but I would like to see it. TNA was doing a great job until they felt the need to try and imulate the lowly WWE and that bitch Vince McMahon. What they should be doing is trying to go the opposit way from McMahon and giving the people a full blown ulternitive to the WWE's bull shit. I hate to say it, but if TNA doesn't start putting it's originals in the main even on a regular basses I will stop watching and buying there DVDs all together.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

And again I point out the mindless mases that are willing to lap up anything Vince McMahon produces like dogs drinking from a toilet bowl. It wouldn't matter anyway becuase stuck up, close minded, head-up-their-ass wwe fans will never give TNA a chance. Even a year ago when TNA was better then it is now they wouldn't and the reasons I've been given were as follows:

1) The 6 sided ring... yeah thats a solid excuse not to watch.
2)There is to much action going on and I can't keep up (cause WWE has slower matchs for the slower minded)
3) It doesn't have the story lines, and I don't really care about the in ring work rate (then go watch Y&R Ape Shit)
4) It doesn't have big enough Stars (SNOB!)
5) WWE has better raiting. (This of course is as dumb as of an excuse as I have heard. You don't watch because it doesn't get good raiting, but how is it suposed to get good raitings if you don't watch).

Then of course there is this habbit of WWE fans jumping off the banwagin when a star goes to TNA. Team 3D left WWE because the new head of talent realations was being a prick and people say "well they sucked". Christian left when his contract was up and people say "well he was neve any good anyway.". Then Kurt Angle got released and went to TNA and people screamed about was a hack he was... really, because I could have swore he was one of there top stars... I guess Vince doesn't know what he's doing.


In comparison to WWE, TNA is a smaller company. The don't have the money, or the name value that WWE has. Yet WWE has put out several, and I mean several bad PPVs in a row. I heard Foley wrote in one of his books that WWE deliberitly does bad PPV to make the Big 4 look better. Yep thats a nice way to reward your loyal customers for dropping there 39.95 every month. TNA has fucked up alot over the last 8 months to a year. I am not happy with the fact that Genissis had 4 none TNA originals in the main even, in fact I hated it. I am happy about Kaz winning the fight for the right tournament, and I hope (as unlikley as it is) that he will get to hold the god for a short time. Like I said, unlikely but I would like to see it. TNA was doing a great job until they felt the need to try and imulate the lowly WWE and that bitch Vince McMahon. What they should be doing is trying to go the opposit way from McMahon and giving the people a full blown ulternitive to the WWE's bull shit. I hate to say it, but if TNA doesn't start putting it's originals in the main even on a regular basses I will stop watching and buying there DVDs all together.

1. You don't even know what you're talking about. I'm defending the WWE, but I understand that there are problems. There are things that I like, and there are things that I don't like. However, to me, sticking with the WWE is like sticking with your favorite sports team. You stick with them when things are going right and you stick with them when things aren't what they used to be. It's kind of hard to abandon the WWE with all that they have done for us. They'll get it together eventually.

2. I've never given any of those excuses when it comes to watching TNA. I wasn't too familiar with TNA until Christian left and went there. I've never watched because I didn't have the urge to. Now I don't watch because I work while Impact comes on. Two of my favorites are in TNA now, Booker T and Kurt Angle. And they also have good home-grown talent, and I hope Samoa Joe jumps ship to the WWE soon.

3. I have no problems with the people who went to TNA. I'm even sure that Christian and the Dudley's will eventually go back home to the WWE. Maybe even Kurt Angle too. Christian's departure showed the WWE that they misused him and I'm sure they'll know what to do when they get him again. It disappointed me a little bit when Angle joined TNA. It had nothing to do with "Vince not knowing what he was doing." They tried to give him a chance to resolve his addiction to painkillers. I hate to say it, but it wouldn't surprise me if Angle dies within the next few years. He really needs to take a long break.

4. You said that the WWE "sold out the art" by allowing L.T. to defeat Bam Bam Bigalow at WM XI. Didn't TNA do the same, if not worse, by allowing Pac-Man to hold one of their titles w/o actually fighting? How is what TNA did any better than what the WWE did? And you feel that some people are being snobs by not watching TNA, yet you are the one who seems to have some real beef with Mr. McMahon and the WWE.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Your Damn right!!!

Your damn right I have a problem with that piece of shit. He more or less killed Owen Hart with that stupid stunt. The only reason he was even in that Blue Blazer suit was because his brother puntched Vince in the face after Survivor Serries 97, and he had it comming. As for suporting WWE like a sports team, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If you favorit sports team lets you down over and over again you don't continue to suport them. I was a leafs fan since I was a kid, after years of NEVER seeing them win a championship I got fed-up with them and now I back the Ottawa Senitores. As long as Vince is selling tickets he won't improve things. The only reason thing got good in the WWE in the late 90's was because Vince found himself FORCED to do it because WCW was kicking his ass in the raiting. Supporting the WWE or TNA or even RoH like they are your favorit sports team is a stupid as ruporting a political group when Davy Duke or Farah Kahn is running on there ballit... but that is a topic for the R&P area.

If you want WWE to get better suport somebody elts, it's called tough love, and it gives the wrestlers an option to working for Vince. Not watching because of when your working is bull shit too, because you could always tape it.

 

[Laugh]

Your damn right I have a problem with that piece of shit. He more or less killed Owen Hart with that stupid stunt. The only reason he was even in that Blue Blazer suit was because his brother puntched Vince in the face after Survivor Serries 97, and he had it comming.

I think you are wrong on that one Slaver. The only reason he was doing that 'stupid stunt' was because Sting was doing basically the same stunt at WCW coming down from the rafters to attack the NWO. That's where the ratings were and WWE had to compete with that. Where does Sting wrestle?

As far as Bret Hart goes, that's old treaded news. Some speculate it was all a work in progress to boost ratings on both sides of the fence. You can believe it or not believe it. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about Bret and something that happened back when Hulk Hogan had hair.

Owen Hart's death was tragic as is any entertainer who tries to give his best for the fans. But don't pin his death on Vince, WWE or Bret any other excuse. He was a grown man and had a choice. If he didn't like the angle or costume or anything else there were tons of ways around it. He was a competitor and WWE had to compete with Sting and WCW any way they could.

As for suporting WWE like a sports team, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If you favorit sports team lets you down over and over again you don't continue to suport them.

That's what being a fan is about. How long has it been since the Boston Celtics won anything? But their true fans are still there and guess what? As for right now they are winning. True fans don't give up even if it takes years.

As long as Vince is selling tickets he won't improve things.

If you run a business and it is selling, what is there to improve? Ever hear the saying "If it works don't fix it"?

The only reason thing got good in the WWE in the late 90's was because Vince found himself FORCED to do it because WCW was kicking his ass in the raiting.

So now you are saying Vince was FORCED to copy Sting and WCW and have Owen Hart imitate Sting dropping from the rafters, because WWE was getting kicked in the ratings. Make up your mind.

If you want WWE to get better suport somebody elts, it's called tough love, and it gives the wrestlers an option to working for Vince. Not watching because of when your working is bull shit too, because you could always tape it.

Some people have better things to do with their time than worry about taping pro wrestling. There are more important things in life like supporting your family.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

He can't give Vince any credit. Anything that goes wrong in wrestling is Vince's fault from his POV.

 

[primetime]

Slaver, for months I have been reading your posts about the WWE and dude, what did Vince McMahon do to you PERSONALLY? The way you rant about Vince, one could believe he fired you, then slept with your girlfriend/wife/sister/mother, ate all of your food and bitchslapped you everytime you walked through the door. Relax, wrestling is sports entertainment.

Also, your rants towards fans of the WWE is insulting. You like TNA? Fine, that's your choice. But people can like the WWE without being part of the "mindless masses". I tried to watch TNA and despite the fact that some of my favorite characters from the WWE are there (Angle, Christian..), the product is just not that good. But you wont see me on here writing post after post, insulting TNA and it's fans. People will like what the want to like.

Think about something logically. You keep saying Vince won't change anything as long as people keep selling out events. Well DUH!!!! If you are selling out arenas ALL THE TIME and people are STILL buying pay per views, then WHY would Vince "fix" something? It means there's nothing wrong. When the arenas are NOT selling out and the ppv buyrate is low, THEN Vince will change. That is exactly what happened when WCW was hot. Your argument makes no sense.

Your rebuttal about being a true fan is ludicrous. Do you even know what a true fan is? A true fan will support their team NO MATTER how bad they are. I look at the LA Lakers and they are about to wreck the team entirely, but I will still be a Laker fan. Will I be upset with management? Yes. But, I am a Laker fan for life. Same with fans of the WWE. Everything goes in cycles. Sooner or later, the next "Hogan/Austin/Rock" will appear and WWE will be a lot of fun again.

Relax man. Goodness, Vince is not responsible for Owen's death. Did Vince hold a gun to Owen's head and force him on the stunt? Did Vince cut the wire? NO. It was an accident. shit happens. It was unfortunate, but yet, you seem obsessed with blaming Vince. Vince must have tried to ruin your existence for you to have such hatred. Chill......

 

[10 armed tkler]

Just keep hoping things will be better. And hey buck up...Y2J is back!


And a shout out to Primetime.

 

[Raphael Sorel]

Y2J is back!

Ah, finally ! The Ayatollah of Rock'n Rollah.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Just keep hoping things will be better. And hey buck up...Y2J is back!


And a shout out to Primetime.

I haven't looked forward to seeing an episode of Raw this much in years.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I think you are wrong on that one Slaver. The only reason he was doing that 'stupid stunt' was because Sting was doing basically the same stunt at WCW coming down from the rafters to attack the NWO. That's where the ratings were and WWE had to compete with that. Where does Sting wrestle?.

Well your a dumb ass. Sting comes down on a strong rope with 2 harnesses when he does that stunt. It's a known fact Owen didn't want to do that stunt, but compaired to the other stuff Vince wanted him to do he felt it was less humiliatinjg. Vince was using Owen to get at Bret for knocking him on his ass. You and Fiend are a couple of brain washed McMahonites... oh sorry the job of swallowing vinces load already belongs to Triple H, maybe you can suck Shane's dick.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver, for months I have been reading your posts about the WWE and dude, what did Vince McMahon do to you PERSONALLY? The way you rant about Vince, one could believe he fired you, then slept with your girlfriend/wife/sister/mother, ate all of your food and bitchslapped you everytime you walked through the door. Relax, wrestling is sports entertainment.

A person doesn't have to do something to me personaly for me to hate there guts. Hitler didn't kill anybody I knew either. Let me ask you this, how would you feel if it was one of your favorite African American wrestlers who had been droped from the top of Kemper arena in a stunt ment to humiliate him because his brother had puntch VInce in the face... would you be so loving of McMahon now. Don't blame me because I have taken a stand on something and I am not afraid to stand by it! Your right about one thing, wrestling is sports entertainment, so why isn't it ok for anybody but Triple H to be with there wife when there child is being born?

Fuck the WWE and Fuck there fans and fuck the McMahon's.

 

[SlaverTickler]

He can't give Vince any credit. Anything that goes wrong in wrestling is Vince's fault from his POV.

I don't blame Vince for everything, just the shit he does. And what does Vince deserve credit for, being a crook, lying to people, cheating people? Telling them "Oh you'll be championg" and then not letting them have a run at the tittle? Not to mention the fact that everything outside of wrestling he's taken a shot at has flopped, and the WWWF (turned WWF, turned WWE) was built up by his late daddy (and honest Man acording to the people who have worked for him) and his best years in have always been based on his father formula of Sterio Types. Vince built the WWE on stars he took from other territories, and then cried when WCW did the same thing to him. He lied to both Ted DeBiasie and Bad New Allan when he told them he would make them World Champion. He fired Dave Sholts... er how ever you spell his name... for slapping a reporter when he told him to "set the guy strait". If somebody works hard for you and makes you money for a long time you don't just piss on them and toss them to one side becuase the disagree with you or won't go along with every thing you want, a child does that not a grown man. I started this thread to promote TNA and it's women dovition, your the one who came along and started pissing on everything Fiend, you started all of this bull shit, and because I won't back down you can't handle it.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Buck up...Y2J is back!

No he's not...

www.liveaudiowrestling.com click to listen to the interview he did.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

To SlaverTickler: You do know there is a world outside of wrestling, right? There are a lot of people you can choose to hate, and you chose Vince McMahon. Get over whatever problems you have with Vince. He's the reason you can watch TNA today.

And what does a wrestlers skin color have to do with how we react to their death? Why would anyones opinion change if Owen happened to be black? Owen died a year and a half after Bret left for WCW. I doubt they were trying to make Owen pay for whatever Bret did after so much time, if at all. Everyone seems to recognize the fact that it was an accident. Bret Hart doesn't hate Vince as much as you do.

You can watch TNA, I'll watch WWE with the brainless-masses. You'll just give up on TNA the minute things go wrong anyway.