TNA women divition will kill WWE's.

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Sting comes down on a strong rope with 2 harnesses when he does that stunt. It's a known fact Owen didn't want to do that stunt, but compaired to the other stuff Vince wanted him to do he felt it was less humiliatinjg.

Oh wow. Hey, I didn't know you built the equipment for WCW back then? wow. Also I never knew you were such good friends with Owen to know his personal likes and dislikes. Wow.

In case that was way over your head - and it probably was - that was TOTAL SARCASM you idiot.

Vince was using Owen to get at Bret for knocking him on his ass. You and Fiend are a couple of brain washed McMahonites... oh sorry the job of swallowing vinces load already belongs to Triple H, maybe you can suck Shane's dick.

Oh right. Vince runs Bret's boss out of the wrestling business and he has to use his brother to get at him.

I know it's really really hard for you.. but think about what you wrote for a minute.. go on.. I'll even give you an extra 30 seconds.. now..

DO YOU HAVE A FREAKING OUNCE OF LOGIC IN YOUR HEAD??

 

[SlaverTickler]

To SlaverTickler: You do know there is a world outside of wrestling, right? There are a lot of people you can choose to hate, and you chose Vince McMahon. Get over whatever problems you have with Vince. He's the reason you can watch TNA today.

And what does a wrestlers skin color have to do with how we react to their death? Why would anyones opinion change if Owen happened to be black? Owen died a year and a half after Bret left for WCW. I doubt they were trying to make Owen pay for whatever Bret did after so much time, if at all. Everyone seems to recognize the fact that it was an accident. Bret Hart doesn't hate Vince as much as you do.

You can watch TNA, I'll watch WWE with the brainless-masses. You'll just give up on TNA the minute things go wrong anyway.

I hate McMahon for more then just Owen's death, and if you don't think Owen was being punished for what Bret did then you are the one who doesn't know what your talking about. You also wrong about something elts... Vince isn't the reason why I can watch TNA today, he is the reason why I can't watch the NWA, AWA, and Stampead wrestling. He deatroyed the old territory systom (sp?) created a monopaly and now treats people like shit. If Bret has forgiven Vince then that fine for him, I always knew he was a bigger man then me. As far as I am conserned the only good McMahon is a dead McMahon.

As for the skin colour remark... let me reword it the way I did to a guy on you tube. He said "When are you Canadian's going to get over the big Canadian hero bit" (I know you didn't stoop to that, but bare with me) so I replied "Imagine it the roll was reversed, and wrestling was run by a big Canadian company, and all the top guys were Canadians. Then one of the top American's dies in s stupid accident doing a stunt that he NEVER should have been asked to do. How would you feel then?" Guess what, he never replied to that one. So flips the coin in another way, make him an African American, you know how much of a push Vince gives the brothers, I mean look at the respect he (didn't) showed Booker T. Owen Hart was one of the single best wrestler in North America, if not the world. Vince had a golden oprotunity to push Owen after the screw jon with an Austin like angle, but instead he puts him back in the Blue Blazer angle and turns him into a clown, and you are trying to tell me that wasn't out of spite? GIVE ME A FLICKING BREAK!!!

 

[SlaverTickler]

Oh wow. Hey, I didn't know you built the equipment for WCW back then? wow. Also I never knew you were such good friends with Owen to know his personal likes and dislikes. Wow.

Well for one thing I watched WCW Nitro every Wednesday (the night they showed it up here in Canada), and I watched Thunder on TBS all the time too. Everytime I saw Sting come down on the rope he had would sometimes get help from the reff to get the damn harness off, and that is why he would normaly wack his opponent with his black bat before the match would start because it gave them time with out buggering things up to much. If I remember right he also had a second line tied to him in case the first one fucked up, unlike the single wire on a hitch deal Owen had been put on.

As far as the know Owen... how do you know I don't. You don't know who I am, only where I am from, and how do you know that isn't fudged for ID protection. However, it was reported in a ductumentory titled "The Life and Death of Owen Hart". So you see I do have some clue to what I am talking about. Maybe you should watch it, and you might learn something about what happened that day in KC.

Oh right. Vince runs Bret's boss out of the wrestling business and he has to use his brother to get at him.

I know it's really really hard for you.. but think about what you wrote for a minute.. go on.. I'll even give you an extra 30 seconds.. now..

DO YOU HAVE A FREAKING OUNCE OF LOGIC IN YOUR HEAD??

Ok... (minuet 30 later) yep I thought about it, now consider this, Owen dies in 97, and Vince bought WCW in 2001 (or 2 I'm not 100% sure on that one). Besides buying WCW doesn't matter, Bret couldn't wrestle because of his injury from that clown Goldberg, so he wouldn't have been working for Vince, and McMahon could care less, Vince is a sick and petty man. The fact that he chose to barry the entire WCW roster before firing or not resighning them just becuase there weren't "His Creations" show that. He wanted to utterly crush the lfe out of WCW just because he could. If he had been Smart about it instead of petty he could have made EVEN MORE Money from owning WCW, but like with Owen Hart his ego and vanity were more importan. THink about this...

WCW is owned by Shane, and the wrestlers were attacking WWE performers. Vince decides he's oing to settle it once and for all with a big match up (aka the Invation PPV) He Calls out Shane, Booker T, and the other top WCW guys and challanges them to the matchs a Survivor Serries style elimination matchs... Divition vs Divition 5 on 5 eliminatrion march ups. If the WWE side wins Vince gets all the WCW product, and will fire all of the wrestlers. If Shane wins WCW get there own show, SmackDown, and are allowed to keep there status ect ect... Then thay win of course, SmackDown becomes WCW SmackDown , or even the new Thursday Night Nitro or something like that.

Eric Bishoff could have ben made SD Gm, Haymen could be booking it to this day. Shane would be learning more about being a promotore. The WCW guys could be on one coast while the WWE guys could be on another. I options were endless, but instead McMahon wanted to show the world this is what happens when you go against me and lose, even if all you were doing was trying to earn a living working for the other guy. I am going to ruin you, crush you, break you down and fuck you in the ass till you blead. That is what he did to everyone of those guys who came over from WCW when he bought it.

That is why I hate him, and his entire adult family.

 

[Laugh]

I am going to ruin you, crush you, break you down and fuck you in the ass till you blead. That is what he did to everyone of those guys who came over from WCW when he bought it.

That is why I hate him, and his entire adult family.

Slaver you are so right. Eddie G? The mental case and child killer Chris Benoit? Vince really screwed those guys over and gave them a world title in front of his largest audience of the year at Wrestlemania. I bet they wish they would have stayed in WCW.

Chris Jericho? I know he loved WCW because they were so much better than Vince. Look at all the world titles he won in WCW.

Rey Mysterio? Now there's a guy who got really got screwed over. Booked to win the Royal Rumble. Booked to win the world title. Talk about screwed! He definitely should have stayed in WCW. Vince really hates that guy.

Do you actually think about what you write?

As far as Owen being purposely humiliated, that's the dumbest remark yet. Every pro wrestler gets humiliated at some point. That's part of the act. Examples?

Which wrestler was playing a guitar and couldn't sing worth crap? Which wrestler was trying to make other wrestlers eat his wife's cookies (what does THAT have to do with pro wrestling?) and doing a comedy routine with Kurt Angle, who also was wearing a tiny cowboy hat and trying to sing? Try Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Which men's world champion was actually pinned by Stephanie McMahon on Monday Night Raw? Try The Rock.

Which men's wrestler was forced to wear a dress and make up like a woman? Try Rikishi.

How about the stupid gimmick where Undertaker kidnapped underage Stephanie and was going to force her to marry him in a cult ritual? How stupid was THAT storyline?

Every pro wrestler gets humiliated at some point. It's all an act. That's part of the game. It's not just Owen, or Bret, or Stone Cold, or Rock.. it's all of them.

And yes, the Great Triple H was even pinned by who? Jim Ross.

See Slaver, it's EVERYBODY. Not just Owen. They ALL get humiliated at some point.

Owen died because it was an ACCIDENT. He was doing a routine he agreed to do, under his own free will because he was a grown man. If he didn't like it or didn't want to do it all he had to do was say no. What was Vince going to do? Fire him? According to you he fires everybody anyway, so what's the difference? For the last time, it was an ACCIDENT.

If you don't believe that, think about it this way:

I'm Vince McMahon. I own a multi-million dollar wrestling company. There's a pro wrestler on my roster who has a brother that ended his term in my company on a bad note. Here are my options:

(1) Fire him. Quick and simple. His brother was a bad apple so why keep this guy in my company?

(2) Humiliate his brother. Book him to lose to every nobody on my wrestling roster then fire him.

(3) Grand master plan. Put him in a gimmick that humiliates him and murder him in front of a world wide audience. Risk losing my company. Risk going to jail for murder. Risk losing everything I have ever earned my whole life just because I don't like this guy all because I don't like his brother. Yeah that makes sense. My wife and daughter and son would have nothing at all because Bret Hart hit me. The WWE no longer exists and hundreds of pro wrestlers will no longer have a job all because I don't like the Hart family.

DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID THIS SOUNDS?

As far as calling another wrestler a clown because he injured Bret Hart.. who was the idiot that nearly broke Stone Cold Steve Austin's neck? The biggest franchise in the history of the WWE? All because he couldn't execute a piledriver?

Try Owen Hart.

Oh that's right. It was an accident.

Wait. According to your logic accidents don't happen. It couldn't have been an accident.

Owen knew Bret and Owen would never ever be as big as Stone Cold Steve Austin. He did it on purpose. Yeah that's the ticket. He wanted to take him out. The Harts were jealous because Steve Austin was the biggest, baddest SOB gimmick on the planet. We can't have that. His last name isn't Hart. Austin sold more merchandise in a month than Owen did in his entire career. Better fix that. I'm Owen Hart. See how many shirts Austin sells with a broken neck.

Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck Steve Austin. I can't do a piledriver for shit. But that's ok, my last name is Hart. I deserve a world title push more than anybody.

Pro wrestling is like a human meat factory. As long as you are selling out arenas and selling merchandise you are a wrestling god. When that time ends you are yesterday's toilet paper. Doesn't matter who are you, what your name is, or how much money you made Vince during your career.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver you are so right. Eddie G? The mental case and child killer Chris Benoit? Vince really screwed those guys over and gave them a world title in front of his largest audience of the year at Wrestlemania. I bet they wish they would have stayed in WCW.

Chris Jericho? I know he loved WCW because they were so much better than Vince. Look at all the world titles he won in WCW.

Rey Mysterio? Now there's a guy who got really got screwed over. Booked to win the Royal Rumble. Booked to win the world title. Talk about screwed! He definitely should have stayed in WCW. Vince really hates that guy.

Do you actually think about what you write?

Do you think about what you write? None of those guys came over to WWE with the WCW buy out jack ass. As far as Mysterio goes, anyone who is willing to make money living off his friends death is a slime bag too. If you are going to agrue with me over this get your facts strait.

As far as Owen being purposely humiliated, that's the dumbest remark yet. Every pro wrestler gets humiliated at some point. That's part of the act. Examples?

Which wrestler was playing a guitar and couldn't sing worth crap? Which wrestler was trying to make other wrestlers eat his wife's cookies (what does THAT have to do with pro wrestling?) and doing a comedy routine with Kurt Angle, who also was wearing a tiny cowboy hat and trying to sing? Try Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Which men's world champion was actually pinned by Stephanie McMahon on Monday Night Raw? Try The Rock.

Which men's wrestler was forced to wear a dress and make up like a woman? Try Rikishi.

How about the stupid gimmick where Undertaker kidnapped underage Stephanie and was going to force her to marry him in a cult ritual? How stupid was THAT storyline?

Every pro wrestler gets humiliated at some point. It's all an act. That's part of the game. It's not just Owen, or Bret, or Stone Cold, or Rock.. it's all of them.

And yes, the Great Triple H was even pinned by who? Jim Ross.

See Slaver, it's EVERYBODY. Not just Owen. They ALL get humiliated at some point.

Do you remember Cripple H being in the shitter for the MSG insodent, did you ever think that maybe that had something to do with it. Being in a humliatin angle, is different then being humiliated. The Blue Blazer bit was done to digrace Owen, and to dicredit him as a talent. "Oh look at that, the think tank at WWE can't seem to do anything elts with Owen now that his brother is gone." it was bull shit McMahonite, total and utter bull shit.

Owen died because it was an ACCIDENT. He was doing a routine he agreed to do, under his own free will because he was a grown man. If he didn't like it or didn't want to do it all he had to do was say no. What was Vince going to do? Fire him? According to you he fires everybody anyway, so what's the difference? For the last time, it was an ACCIDENT.

When exactly did I say it wasn't an accident? I said he never should have been asked to do it to begin with, and the only reason he did was because of the other options he was given. The truth is if you don't go along with what Vince says he acts like a spoiled little punk and tries to ruin you any ways possible, and killing Owens credibility would hurt both Owen as a performer, and Bret as a person becuase he felt it was because of him that Vince was doing all of this to Owen.

If you don't believe that, think about it this way:

I'm Vince McMahon. I own a multi-million dollar wrestling company. There's a pro wrestler on my roster who has a brother that ended his term in my company on a bad note. Here are my options:

(1) Fire him. Quick and simple. His brother was a bad apple so why keep this guy in my company?

(2) Humiliate his brother. Book him to lose to every nobody on my wrestling roster then fire him.

(3) Grand master plan. Put him in a gimmick that humiliates him and murder him in front of a world wide audience. Risk losing my company. Risk going to jail for murder. Risk losing everything I have ever earned my whole life just because I don't like this guy all because I don't like his brother. Yeah that makes sense. My wife and daughter and son would have nothing at all because Bret Hart hit me. The WWE no longer exists and hundreds of pro wrestlers will no longer have a job all because I don't like the Hart family.

DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID THIS SOUNDS?

Again I sugest you watch the Life & Death of Owen Hart. It tells of how he tried to leave and McMahon wouldn't let him go. If Vince lets Owen go he has no way to make Bret pay for standing up to him, as well had knocking him on his ass for what happend in Montreal. For the record Owen's widow did sue the WWE and they settled for an undiclosed sum. Bret wasn't big on that becuase he wanted it to go to court and have all the facts layed out to the world. He no longer talks to two of his sisters becuase he feels they sold out Owen to get there husbands (Niedhart and Smith) work. You are a very ignorant excuse for a wrestling fan if you don't realize what a piece of shit Vince is and what sort of double dealings go on in the buisness.

As far as calling another wrestler a clown because he injured Bret Hart.. who was the idiot that nearly broke Stone Cold Steve Austin's neck? The biggest franchise in the history of the WWE? All because he couldn't execute a piledriver?

Try Owen Hart.

Oh that's right. It was an accident.

Wait. According to you accident's don't happen. It couldn't have been an accident.

Again I never said Owen's death wasn't an accident, please quote where I said "Owen Hart was murdered by Vince McMahon". I know my spelling is bad but it isn't that bad. I claimed the event leading up to his death were done to humiliate him out of spite for what Bret did, so don't put text in my typing ass hole. As for the Steve Austin deal, as I've heard it, Owen didn't want to do that piledriver, he told Steve he wasn't comfotable using it on him, and Steve insisted on it. So maybe that drunken wife beater should have remembered the first rule, Alway Follow the lead of the guy with more time in the biz, and nobody in the WWE knew the craft better then Owen at that time.

Owen knew Bret and Owen would never ever be as big as Stone Cold Steve Austin. He did it on purpose. He wanted to take him out. The Harts were jealous because Steve Austin was the biggest, baddest SOB gimmick on the planet. Austin sold more merchandise in a month than Owen has in his entire career. Better fix that. I'm Owen Hart. See how many shirts Austin sells with a broken neck.

Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck

Considering Austin became a star because of his fued with the Hart Foundation I find that as assinine as it gets. Are you booking for WWE, I wouldn't be suprised your consepts are just as stupid as there's. Watch a documentory, read some books on the topic of prowrestling before you try to mix it up with me Junior.

 

[Laugh]

Do you think about what you write? None of those guys came over to WWE with the WCW buy out jack ass. As far as Mysterio goes, anyone who is willing to make money living off his friends death is a slime bag too. If you are going to agrue with me over this get your facts strait.

Your initial point - jackass - was Vince screwed over anybody from WCW because they tried to make a living working for the other guy. My points disagree. WCW did a good job of screwing over people too. Also because Eddie dies, Ray is supposed to stop wrestling? What's he supposed to do to make a living? Sell more masks? If I died and my best friends could make money because of it - I say more power to them. I'll be gone so what will it matter to me? I would be helping a friend make money and if they were a real friend how would that be a bad thing?

Do you remember Cripple H being in the shitter for the MSG insodent, did you ever think that maybe that had something to do with it. Being in a humliatin angle, is different then being humiliated. The Blue Blazer bit was done to digrace Owen, and to dicredit him as a talent. "Oh look at that, the think tank at WWE can't seem to do anything elts with Owen now that his brother is gone." it was bull shit McMahonite, total and utter bull shit.

Cripple H (I like that Slaver. That's funny) didn't sell out. Those other guys went for greed. Remember billionaire ted?

When exactly did I say it wasn't an accident? I said he never should have been asked to do it to begin with, and the only reason he did was because of the other options he was given. The truth is if you don't go along with what Vince says he acts like a spoiled little punk and tries to ruin you any ways possible, and killing Owens credibility would hurt both Owen as a performer, and Bret as a person becuase he felt it was because of him that Vince was doing all of this to Owen.

You were blaming everything on Vince and WWE. It wasn't their fault or anyone's fault. Accidents happen.

Again I sugest you watch the Life & Death of Owen Hart. It tells of how he tried to leave and McMahon wouldn't let him go. If Vince lets Owen go he has no way to make Bret pay for standing up to him, as well had knocking him on his ass for what happend in Montreal. For the record Owen's widow did sue the WWE and they settled for an undiclosed sum. Bret wasn't big on that becuase he wanted it to go to court and have all the facts layed out to the world. He no longer talks to two of his sisters becuase he feels they sold out Owen to get there husbands (Niedhart and Smith) work. You are a very ignorant excuse for a wrestling fan if you don't realize what a piece of shit Vince is and what sort of double dealings go on in the buisness.

And you are a very ignorant excuse for using common sense and logic when you don't realize people will say and do anything to make money. Also realize TV documentaries and books can all be manipulated to make people money. Don't you think all the people interviewed were told to work up controversy and say anything to help this show sell? We want wrestling fans to watch this show and not put them to sleep. If you want to believe anything and everything just because someone says it on a TV show be my guest.

Considering Austin became a star because of his fued with the Hart Foundation I find that as assinine as it gets. Are you booking for WWE, I wouldn't be suprised your consepts are just as stupid as there's. Watch a documentory, read some books on the topic of prowrestling before you try to mix it up with me Junior.

First off you give the Hart's way too much credit. Austin wrestled many superstars in the business besides the Harts. Austin was the mighty Ringmaster. Was that meant to discredit Austin and disgrace him as a talent? Would you call that a humiliation angle? or being humiliated? Either way he looked pretty stupid to me. A lot like the Blue Blazer. His wrestlemania match with the Rock set records and he also had great scripts with the Taker. Also I don't waste my time watching fixed and angled documentaries, which unlike pro wrestling are actually supposed to be real. I also don't care about reading yet another wrestling book because some wrestler jumped on the author bandwagon.

I've more than mixed it up with you junior. You need to get your facts straight and stop being so blinded by being so much a Hart fan. Look at wrestling for what it is. Stupid, mindless fun entertainment. It means nothing.

However, we do agree on one point. Vince could have done so much more with what he had. I totally agree that he could have went so many directions with WCW. I also find it interesting that probably the biggest star in WCW (sting) never went to WWE and refused to wrestle for Vince.

In my opinion, the Rock was the smartest guy in the wrestling business. He worked the WWE to his advantage. I might be wrong but I believe he was the first one to put out a book "The Rock Says". I'm pretty sure it was either he or Mick Foley. Anyway, his book came out before every other wrestler jumped on the wagon and wanted one. He left with his name, his charisma and all his body parts before they got mangled by senseless scripts. He now makes good money. He's still acting, but doing it sensibly. Smart man.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Your initial point was Vince screwed over anybody from WCW because they tried to make a living working for the other guy. My points disagree. WCW did a good job of screwing over people too. Also because Eddie dies, Ray is supposed to stop wrestling? What's he supposed to do to make a living? Sell more masks? If I died and my best friends could make money because of it - I say more power to them. I'll be gone so what will it matter to me? I would be helping a friend make money and if they were a real friend how would that be a bad thing?

Nope, I'm not saying Rey should stop wrestling, I don't think he should have gone along with the "Do it for Eddie" angle that exploited Eddie Guerrero's death like a street *****. WCW screwing people is a given, why do you think Jericho, Benoit, and company left for WWE. Back then WWE was in dire need of talen to boost things and had to treat people well. If my friend died I wouldn't want to make a buck from it weather he would be cool with it or not.

Cripple H (I like that Slaver. That's funny) didn't sell out. Those other guys went for greed. Remember billionaire ted?

Well Cripple H selling out is a totaly different topic, what I am speaking off was the MSG incident where H and HBK went out and "said good by to there friends". This lead to a tone of shit landing on H's head because they couldn't punish Micheals at the time being that he was the top dog as far as talent went. Again you would know this if you followed the buisness deeper then what is posted at the WWE website.

You were blaming everything on Vince and WWE. It wasn't their fault or anyone's fault. Accidents happen.

The boss is responcible for the safty of those employed under him(or her). Vince asked Owen to do it, Vince hired the people who worked the pully and harness. Vince failed to make sure every precotion was maid to ensure Owen's safty. Plus add to that the fact that Owen was wearing a mask, they could have had him under the ring while they lowered a stunt man down. A vetran stunt man would have known what was needed, (but then that would required a McMahon to think about someone other then themselves), godfather chases said stunt man out of the ring, he tries to hide under it, and the GodFather pulls out Owen... WOW! That sure took alot of work now didn't it.

And you are a very ignorant excuse for using common sense and logic when you don't realize people will say and do anything to make money. Also realize TV documentaries and books can all be manipulated to make people money. Don't you think all the people interviewed were told to work up controversy and say anything to help this show sell? We want wrestling fans to watch this show and not put them to sleep.

I think I showed alot of common sence in the above post. I'm sure Bret said the stuff he said about Owen wanting to leave and Vince not letting him out of his contract because he wanted to sell tickets for the WWE. And by the way Bret is considered to be one of the more honest guys in the buisness, and I hear his book is a true tell all. Further more are you calling Mick Foley a liar?

First off you give the Hart's way too much credit. Austin wrestled many superstars in the business besides the Harts. Austin was the mighty Ringmaster. Was that meant to discredit Austin and disgrace him as a talent? Would you call that a humiliation angle? or being humiliated? Either way he looked pretty stupid to me. A lot like the Blue Blazer. His wrestlemania match with the Rock set records and he also had great scripts with the Taker. Also I don't waste my time watching fixed and angled documentaries, which unlike pro wrestling are actually supposed to be real. I also don't care about reading yet another wrestling book because some wrestler jumped on the author bandwagon.

Well if I'm giving the Hart's to much credit then you should shoot Austin an E-mail because the Wife Beater himself credits Hart with his rise to super star status. The Ringmaster bit was proof that WWE booking didn't have a clue on what to do with Austin, unlike with Owen where they were trying to mess with him on purpose. It was Austins 2nd wife (Jeanie Clark) who I think came up with the "Stone Cold" nick name, so he owes everything to somebody elts. Your closing remarks don't suprise me, you real do seem to enjoy swallowing what ever Vince spews.

I've more than mixed it up with you junior. You need to get your facts straight and stop being so blinded by being so much a Hart fan. Look at wrestling for what it is. Stupid, mindless fun entertainment. It means nothing.

You have mixed it up with me son, you haven't even held you own. I'm not blinded by being a Hart fan, I was enlightened by it. It was becuase of what happened to Bret at Survivor Serries that I finally saw the McMahon's for the back stabbing scum they really are. You on the other hand are blinded by you total and utter divotion to a guy and his company, you are emotionaly stuck because you only care about you own personal grdification on Monday and Friday nights (and what ever day ECW is on) to consern youself with the well being of the people who provide said gradification. You are a leach, a maggit, and a blood sucker, but don't feel to bad I feel that way about alot of my fellow wrestling fans.

However, we do agree on one point. Vince could have done so much more with what he had. I totally agree that he could have went so many directions with WCW. I also find it interesting that probably the biggest star in WCW (sting) never went to WWE and refused to wrestle for Vince.

It was how Vince treated Booker T that convinced Sting going to WWE would be a mistake. If you want to understand that better just get tna's Sting: Retun of an Icon, he talks about it in an interview.

In my opinion, the Rock was the smartest guy in the wrestling business. He worked the WWE to his advantage. I might be wrong but I believe he was the first one to put out a book "The Rock Says". I'm pretty sure it was either he or Mick Foley. Anyway, his book came out before every other wrestler jumped on the wagon and wanted one. He left with his name, his charisma and all his body parts before they got mangled by senseless scripts. He now makes good money acting. Smart man.

I agree (I think the first hard book on wrestling was "the Hooker" about Lou Theze) The Rock may infact be the smartest guy in the biz. Ironicly, like Owen, he got into wrestling to simply make some money when the foot ball thing didn't work out. Did you know his dad is from Canada... I never knew that before. I knew he started wrestling up here, but I never knew he was born up here.

Well I am done with this topic. Take care everyone, and don't forget to watch TNA wrestling thurdays @ 9 pm Eastern.

 

[primetime]

Slaver, I have been reading your posts on this topic and you make absolutely no sense at all. First of all, like a LOT of Canadiens, you really need to get over the Bret Hart thing. For all the crap you claimed McMahon has done, keep in mind that it was McMahon who helped Bret Hart blossom into a star. I can see your jaw hitting the ground as we speak. Yes, McMahon HELPED make Bret into a star. I remember Bret when he was part of the Hart Foundation in the late 1980's. He was good, but no one cared for him. He went to singles and he blossomed and it is BECAUSE OF VINCE MCMAHON he became World Champion. You keep forgetting that a lot of Bret's success is due to McMahon. He was the one who gave the decision to put the belt on Bret. He was the one who decided to put the marketing machine behind the Hitman and make him a star. Does Bret have a part of it? OF COURSE, but McMahon has a major part in Bret's success.

Just like Hogan, Rock, Michaels, Austin, Undertaker, etc..Hart was another person who benefited from McMahon's vision and skills. Think I'm wrong? What happened to Bret once he got to WCW? They did NOTHING for him at all. Bret went from main event status to rarely to be seen. He made no real impact in WCW. I know, I know, the WCW management was horrible, so why don't you go on some tirade about that? NO. You keep blasting McMahon when it is McMahon who made it possible for wrestlers to become household names.

You paint McMahon to be such a scumbag, but yet, CELEBRITIES, continue to show up at WWE events and participate in them as well. What the hell has TNA done? When are they even on? No one cares. Yet, we see sports stars emulating pro wrestlers. Remember the Pistons wearing championship belts? Yeah, Vince McMahon is so scummy and he ruins everything, the WWE has completely fallen apart and no one wants to watch. Dude, grow up and live in reality.

You don't have to like WWE. That is your choice. I ask you to live in reality though. You think McMahon is the ONLY owner who may have made mistakes with his personnel? It is a BUSINESS!!! Business decisions have to be made, some will be good, some will be bad. Your entire tirade's foundation about McMahon is based on the Hart family. The Hart family is a major influence in wrestling history, BUT, they are not the whole freakin show. Even when Hogan and Austin had their problems with McMahon, they KEEP COMING BACK. Both of those guys acknowledge that Vince McMahon HELPED make them into the stars they became. You want to read books? Read Austin's and Hogan's book and even though they brag about themselves, they both recognize McMahon as a creative genius who helped them. I guess you only like books that blast McMahon. That's sad. Stop being a blind Canadien and following everything Bret Hart says.

In ANY entertainment business, you will have some unscrupulous dealings between owner and employees. You don't think some crap has happened with directors, producers, actors and actresses? You dont think some crap has happened with music artists and producers? Grow up dude. Live in reality. The wrestling business is like all other entertainment businesses. Stop painting McMahon as this evil villian that has done no good. McMahon has done a LOT of good as well.

By the way, what did Linda McMahon ever do? You painted the entire McMahon family as "evil", but what did she do?

 

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I read recently that Brock Lesnar may be coming to TNA. IF he does, I really hope they don't turn it into a "football player vs football player" thing with Pacman Jones. That would be soooo lame.

I'm not sure Brock would go for nonsense like that anyway.

I agree with you Prime. Vince has made tons of mistakes and he will continue to make mistakes. But that's the wrestling business. Not every wrestler can be world champ and not every wrestler deserves to be world champ. It's Vince's job to decide who gets what and seeing as WWE and Wrestlemania is now well over 20 years old I think it's safe to say he's been successful. Look at how many other wrestling organizations have tried and failed.