True Tickle Torture

[Clm128]

Pm me too please. I agree consensual no mercy play is okay but not non consensual. I'd never do it but I'm interested in this guy. Kinda funny

 

[Wolf]

There is a disturbing thread running through thid discussion that reflects poorly on the entire fetish community, let alone the tickling fetish community. That is the idea of restraining and tickling someone against their will. The fantasy of tickle torture in our tickling literature and art and videos are works of fiction. In real life tying and tickling someone who can't tolerate it and reacts in ways described in previous posts can and does occur between consenting adults but the emphasis is on prior consent of the ticklee, thus not against his or her will. There are as well situations of surprise and unwanted tickling but that is most often short or in the context of a surprise or wrestling or teasing. That is distinctly different from tying down and tickling someone against his or her will with no consent whatsoever.
And that sort of behavior can in fact be Lund illegal as harassment or various degrees of assault. I easily found case law online for guilty verdicts where unwanted tickling was involved.( I used an app called Fastcase).
The problem with advocating real life restraint and tickle torture of a person against their will is that it is plain and implement a violation of that person and is recognized as such legally. And such claims simply confirm in the vanilla mind that our fetish community is full of sick sadists with no regard for the rights of others and only in pursuit of satisfying our own desires.
Adopting the attitude that non consensual tickle torture is acceptable denigrates nd demeans our entire community.
Fantasy is one thing. No mercy tickle play with prior consent is another thing. Both acceptable. Nonconsensual restraint and tickle torture is entirely something else and unacceptable in this or any community.

In every fetish subculture, there are those who delve into the darker realms, who like to explore the farther reaches of the range between pleasure and pain, and speak very highly of the rush that comes from going from one extreme to the other in a short period of time. Non-consensual fantasies and play are part of that.

But the desires and assertions we're seeing here from the self-described "Real Non-Con" proponents are nothing more than fantasy fulfillment of a different kind, and the hostility and attention-seeking trolling are an integral part of that. They don't just want to talk about their desires, they want people to be shocked and appalled by (and secretly envious of) their alleged behavior.

 

[Phineas]

But the desires and assertions we're seeing here from the self-described "Real Non-Con" proponents are nothing more than fantasy fulfillment of a different kind, and the hostility and attention-seeking trolling are an integral part of that. They don't just want to talk about their desires, they want people to be shocked and appalled by (and secretly envious of) their alleged behavior.

I think you're overcomplicating things. It's simply an overblown sense of entitlement whereby some folks feel its their God-given right to touch strangers with or without permission. Says a lot about a person when they angrily insist their desires override those of others, if'n you ask me.

That said, I'm gonna shake things up a little and insist that, people like our favorite creepy folk hero aside, I can understand where the "just do it" side of the argument comes from. Women, in general, have been socialized to both not make a scene if they don't like something, and also to not do much more than hint about it if they do. A woman is never going to tell you, "hey, I want you to touch me" - they'll just stand around and hope they're making it "obvious" and wait for you to go for it.

The double-edged sword to that is that if you misread their cues, you get labelled negatively - if they didn't want you to touch them, you're the creepy grabby guy. If they did, you're the idiot who doesn't "get" hints. It also means that nine times out of ten, if they didn't want it, they won't say anything to you, either because they feel threatened (like, oh, if you're a really big/tall stranger) and don't want to escalate, or again, because society (somehow) trains them to be passive and not speak up and say "Hey, keep your hands to yourself, buster".

So what this means is that, ultimately, the non-con crowd is right in that you just have to go for it, and chances are, whether she welcomes your "advances" or not, nothing bad is going to happen to you.

However, all it takes is one bad experience to sour you to the idea, really. When I was younger, I was much more impulsive in tickling people I thought I was on good terms with. Eventually, though, after enough boyfriends/well-meaning other people/supervisors threatened me to keep my hands to myself, I was broken of the habit. Most of us simply don't have the kind of rock-solid ego to have a woman yell "Will you keep your hands to YOURSELF?!" in a public place and not have it make us think twice about our actions.

So, yeh- you'll probably get away with it. Doesn't make it right, IMHO - and personally, I don't feel it's an attitude that we want to encourage. Shame Bella doesn't post much on this topic anymore. She, and a few other gals who make it clear that grabby people will lose few digits in the process, were always a good read.

In closing, I'll just relate a quick anecdote. I was over a friend's house putting together furniture for her, and we got to talking about our mutual friends. Eventually she started complaining about how so-and-so's other friends bother her because they get all touchy-feely, usually when her boyfriend isn't around. When I asked her why she didn't assert herself and say something, she said exactly what I related above; she didn't want to make a scene or embarrass anyone.

Edited to add: It's possible to engage in undesirable behavior and still have "lots of friends". I know a guy who's really passive-aggressive; he literally sidles up to/hits on every woman who comes near him, without actually coming right out and admitting it. I've heard from a fair number of folks that they don't like this, that it's very slimy behavior, and yet he's still fairly popular and has some fun stories to tell, I'm sure. I myself have been described in, shall we say, less-than-flattering terms - and that's by people who I've been friends with for years. Shades of grey, an' all that.

 

[Mane'o]

hopefully this thread was started with tongue firmly placed in cheek and to make provocative statements to generate some traffic but even in jest there is a fragile yet distinct line that is dangerous to cross and supporting the crossing of that line or not saying, "you've gone too far" can lead us to places I for one would rather not see our community go. Sharp and clever satire like Swift's "A Modest Proposal" which used advocacy of eating babies to make a larger social comment is always appreciated but I doubt this discussion and the remarks that started it represent that level of satirical intent. Hence the concern that some may take the proposition seriously that it is ok to take people against their will, tie them up and tickle torture them which is distinctly different from the obnoxious uncle grabbing his niece at the family gathering and tickling the bejesus out of her or a free-for-all tickle wrestling match in a college dorm. Envy is for those one admires, not for those one pities.

 

[Wolf]

(A lot of smart things which I won't completely quote because it'd be too damn long).

Those are very good points, but I should have made it clearer; when I was speaking of "Non-Consensual" activity, I was speaking of the kind of extreme stuff that the OP first proposed. While the stuff you're talking about (and some of the unfortunate after-effects) is technically "non-consensual", in that permission isn't obtained before touching another person, that's just normal human contact (until it's taken too far and someone starts yelling, I guess).

 

[tybb07]

Am I the only one who find it hard to believe that tybb07 is a female.... Not that women can't be into tickle torture, but the entire post sounds like a guy speaking. At least I think so, but I could be wrong of course

Haha I am a bi curious female. I could even go on skype to prove that I am one. I may be a gamer chick but I'm a hot gamer chick and I get the same thing when I whup yo azz at LoL 🙂 I always skype to prove my gender.... but thanks

 

[tybb07]

But how many people who truly hate it are willing to go through it, even for money? In my experience, not very many. You have no idea how many potential candidates I've contacted declined my shoot offers because they felt they were too ticklish and were more or less terrified by the idea. Which is a real shame, because if anything they might have been excellent tickling models. I'd have to offer them a small fortune (for me, anyway) to have any chance of hiring them. And they would absolutely hate the experience. Which, come to think of it, I wouldn't be very comfortable with. I mean, I'm perfectly fine with the models accepting the challenge and being pushed close to their limit, but I don't like the idea of them being upset with me because the experience is a living nightmare for them, even if they get paid.

No to say that it's impossible to work with extremely ticklish models who absolutely hate it. I'm sure some producers have some amount of luck in that department. But I'm not at all surprised that it's not nearly as common as the OP would like it to be. She's really asking for a lot. Though I can't blame her for wishing it were more common.

I mean . . . I have met a few females actually willing to. Any woman or man who is submissive AND OR loves the person they are with are willing to do it. I hate it once I cum. So I am okay if they like half of it just not all of it....

 

[tybb07]

Okay I am not saying tickle RAPE someone. I mean those videos where people hate it.,.. but they agreed to it... get it?

 

[tybb07]

OKAY AND JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR - I have a consensual-non consensual fetish. Meaning they AGREE TO IT and hate it..... I don't like pain I don't like causing people pain. The times I have tickled my boyfriend (if I had one at the time) the tie up was mutual and the torture was KNOWN. I pushed people to limits but everyone has different limits. That's what is hot. Mindlessly tickling someone. GOOD GOD. You guys need to calm down. I don't agree with rape!

 

[coldneck]

Adopting the attitude that non consensual tickle torture is acceptable denigrates nd demeans our entire community.
Nonconsensual restraint and tickle torture is entirely something else and unacceptable in this or any community.

Sorry bub, but you, me or no one single person speaks for an entire community.

If you're worried about "how we look" to the rest of the world, that's easy. We are all considered freaks, even by the real freaks.
Accept it. If you don't believe me, go up to a random stranger and tell them about your insatiable tickle fetish and see what their reaction is.

Non-con is easy to define and 99% of all tickling is exactly that.
"oh, it's ok if it only lasts a few seconds" or "It's ok if they're not tied up because they can fight back" is all complete bullshit.
It's non-con regardless of the length or intensity.

Who the hell are you to draw the line and dictate what's right and wrong?

 

[Wolf]

Non-con is easy to define and 99% of all tickling is exactly that.

Well, maybe for you. Other people would beg to differ, I think.

 

[Mane'o]

Thanks for clarifying tybb07. You've described a deeply held fantasy of many and an amazing experience for others. Consensual.
coldneck if you truly don't or can't distinguish between someone being poked in the ribs for a second and someone nonconsensually tied and tickled you have a singular and scary sense of reality. I'm happy not to be considered part of your community.

 

[VERNON1973]

Okay I am not saying tickle RAPE someone. I mean those videos where people hate it.,.. but they agreed to it... get it?

I understand you tybb07. I would never want to tickle someone who didn't agree to it first BUT BUT BUT my biggest turn on is to tickle someone who can bearly control themselves and beg for mercy!!! Get it? ;0)

 

[rhiannon]

tickle someone who can bearly control themselves and beg for mercy

I do that and I'm into it. It's the natural reaction to tickling.

Who the hell are you to draw the line and dictate what's right and wrong?

He doesn't draw that line. She law sure does.

 

[tybb07]

I LOVE the idea of someone saying "I am okay with you tickling me while I am tied up. I understand if I beg for mercy that you will not let up" But if they truly are hating it . . . I don't torture them too bad. I have tied up many guys in my dating years and you want to see them be put to the EDGE. You don't want to necessarily BREAK them and open yourself up to be prosecuted hahahaha.... I always lay down the rules and start small and build up. Would I love to torture someone who hates it but agrees? HELL YEAH! Any women in the GA area I would love to meet up. I still have yet to be messaged by a woman on this site.

 

[fecil]

I love it when my wife allows me to tie her up, knowing I'm going to tickle her unmercifully and that it's "pure hell" (her words) for her. She knows how much I like it and she knows I'm going to make it up to
her. As she said once, the whole point of tying up is to do something the other person wouldn't allow otherwise.

 

[rhiannon]

the whole point of tying up is to do something the other person wouldn't allow otherwise

I really don't agree. 🙂 I wouldn't allow anything tied up that I wouldn't allow while I wasn't tied up. The point of tying me up while tickling me is me being able to let go and not having to worry about hurting the ler.

 

[fecil]

I see your point and totally agree. It's common that in that scenario the one who is tied up is setting the actual outer boundaries (if the ler is interested in a longer relationship, that is.) The turn-on for me is knowing that she is willing to subject herself to something that she really doesn't like just to make me happy. The ropes just make it last longer than it would otherwise.

 

[rhiannon]

That sounds better. 😉

 

[trifalcon4]

y'all need to get out more.