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UK student auctions her virginity on the internet.

BigJim

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One of the tabloids reported this rather shocking story yesterday, and today the girl herself was interviewed on Richard & Judy. (A married couple who present a tea-time talkshow over here in the UK.) Here is the low-down for those of you who aren't familiar with the details...

This girl is a university student who is gradually sinking into an ever deepening mire of debt. Her student loan (grants being a thing of the past) barely covers her rent and tuition fees. She works for a waitressing agency afor the princely sum of £4.50 an hour (roughly $6.00) for little things like food and clothing; all the while studying full time for her degree. As her debt mounts she has put her VIRGINITY up for sale on an internet auction site. The sum she's specified is £10,000 (around $16,000), which won't clear all of her debts by the end of her course, but will eat a significant chunk of them.

Before I go on, I should mention this: in America you are used to paying six figure sums for a university education, but over here, the situation is somewhat different. American tax-payers pay about a third of what the British public does and a significant amount of this tax is spent (allegedly) on the funding of higher education for all those with the capability to go for it. The tax system in the USA is vastly different, with parents getting much larger tax breaks on investments in future education over a number of years. Here is is normal to consider that education should be paid for mostly by the state, and just how much a student has to pay back is worked out from the income of their family.

Now this is the point that sticks in my craw...
This girl's parents are both professionals. One is something like a registrar or a surgeon, a job that attracts a salary of between £55,000 and £80,000 ($70,000-$100,000); the other is senior admin, grossing over £30,000 per annum. (Around $45,000.) This caring pair decided in their wisdom that they had no moral obligation to help her through her education once she reached the age of 18, as her support was no longer their legal concern.

I'm not a parent yet, but my personal opinion is that these cretinous bastards should be hanging their heads in shame! 😡 😡 😡 When I eventually become a parent, I'd like to think that giving them assistance through college would be something high on my list of priorities. Legally becoming an adult wouldn't free me of my desire to help them achieve a decent education, nor would it prevent them from taking charge of their own life and becoming a responsible young man or woman.

Quite frankly I don't believe these two deserve the priviledge of parenthood and I think they are the worst kind of hard-hearted scum imaginable. I can't imagine anyone who'd rather see their young daughter driven to prostitution to solve their debt crisis, rather then help them out when they both have such high-paid jobs. To make matters worse this girl is actually a lesbian, which puts paid to any theories about her doing what comes naturally for money.

I'm all for teaching your children the value of self-reliance and responsibility, but is helping your daughter through her education really a gross deriliction of parental duty? Is it even that unusual? I've never heard of parents who didn't help out in some way, even if they couldn't afford to financially support their kids. That this pair could afford to send half a dozen children through education makes this even worse. They basically are the most hard-hearted pair of shits I've ever heard of.

Richard & Judy looked gobsmacked at the thought of parents being so utterly uncharitable and I must say, I can't blame them!

Remember this too: just how much a student has to pay is worked out from the income of their family. This girl will cop for the highest bracket of tuition and top-up fees (when they become legal, as they surely will in the next few days) because her parents are such high earners. But because the scum-sucking sacks of worm excrement have cut her off without a penny, she'll be responsible for the lot! where, pray tell, is the reasonableness in that?
 
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More so than her scum parents, perhaps this is also a damning indictment of a sucession of governments who have butchered a fine education system to the point where it can't stand upright.
 
BigJim, something we finally completely agree on........

I can best describe these parents as scum-sucking pigs, and that may be giving them a compliment!!!:sowrong:

I come from a family of six children, plus my mom raised my two nieces and their children as well. There wasn't enough money to pay for post high school education, and we were pretty much left to handle it ourselves. Because of her financial situation, I didn't expect her to do any more than what she could.

However, these parents are making over 100k per year, and they won't lift a finger to assist their child to finance her education. Our education system sucks becuase tax dollars should be used to finance college since society needs them to keep the economy and our future's going. I wish I made that kind of money because I have two years to figure out how I'm going to finance my kid's exhorbitant college education.

I'm glad these clowns were exposed on television. It should go on international tv so the world can see how crappy they really are:Grrr: :disgust: :ranty:
 
I Made A Call..

To a friend in England. He says the whole thing was staged to make a point about the way financial aid in England is figured.
Stop being naive and believing everything you see at face value.
Besides. I agree with the parents. The kid is 18, an adult. She should stop being a beggar and work through what life sends her. I paid for my college tuition, it won't kill her.

Tron
 
Yeah, right Tron. Of course. And this "freind" of yours was....? No, wait, let me guess, it was Rupert Murdoch, wasn't it? I bet you're *such* good pals...

As for the situation itself...sad to say it doesn't surprise me, I'm pulling out of uni myself to get a career of some sort rather than spend thousands on a degree that I'm not even sure will get me out of my debts, let alone afford me a prosperous career. Pain in the arse, really...what we need to do is to somehow bring the Oxford/Cambridge clique down to the level of the rest of the universities knocking about (or, in an ideal world, bring all of those up to Oxford's level), because so far as I can make out its these institutions that can no longer keep themselves running, hence the (ludicrous) suggestion of allowing top-up fees into the system.

A Labour goverment stiffling opportunities for the poorer among us...go figure, eh?

AT
 
Neutron said:
I made a call to a friend in England. He says the whole thing was staged to make a point about the way financial aid in England is figured.

That wouldn't actually surprise me. Personally if that is the case, I think it was a damn inspired idea! Now that you mention it, it is quite possible that that's what this is all about.
I'm curious to know exactly what this friend is though Mike. How precisely does he know it was a staged scam? Does he know the girl? Has it been exposed in a paper I havn't read yet? On a TV show? I find it a rather long coincidence that you happen to have a friend who lives in England AND happens to know intimate details of the situation. You tell me not to be naive, but don't drop a comment like that and then say absoloutely nothing about why we should take your friend's opinion seriously. You know sometimes you sound just like Paul out of Ever Decreasing Circles?


Neutron said:
Stop being naive and believing everything you see at face value.

That's my line! I've been telling you yankees that for the best part of 12 months!

Neutron said:
Besides. I agree with the parents. The kid is 18, an adult. She should stop being a beggar and work through what life sends her. I paid for my college tuition, it won't kill her.

Tron

I thought you got a bursary in exchange for agreeing to serve in the US military Mike?
Besides which you miss the point more than a limbo-dancing spear thrower. The sentence that is particularly hillarity-riven is "the kid is an adult". :blaugh: Accepting financial help through education from your parents is NOT being a beggar. It's a frigging hard time of life, just taking the studying into account. It's every parent's duty that is able, to help their child get as good an education as possible; preferably with as little distraction as possible. (Like being thousands in debt.) And the argument that "I had it this hard, so should everyone else!" is tenuous, dopey, old and quite frankly, crap. If the girl had left school at 18 and was working, it changes the situation totally. Then it's fair enough to say that she's entered into the employment world and can take financial responsibility more readily. But she's still at school and her parents have money coming out of their ears. What is this obsession with the age of 18, just because it's a legal landmark? Why does moral responsibility end at that age, just because legal responsibility does?

And what the hell is the sense of saying "It won't kill her"? If I came round and planted a cricket bat in your bollocks, it wouldn't kill you, but I can't imagine you wanting your offspring to go through the same ordeal because "it'll make a man out of him!". When I was growing up I went through some of the most traumatic abuse, bullying and mind-bending experiences anyone could imagine, a lot of which has helped shape the more resilient parts of my character. I wouldn't however, want any child of mine to go through the same process if I could help it. If I thought they were in need of character development, I'd sooner resort to Outward Bound than that. "It won't kill her" is an argument that holds less water than a mad woman's bladder.

There's also two other points that you didn't address, that I'd like your opinion on.

1/ The socialist-ish system that this government of left-wing wankers favours, is that the amount payable by the student is dependant on the family's financial situation. Her parents are earning in the region of £110,000 a year. (About $170,000.) That being the case, she cops for the full amount that it is possible to be charged; yet they've completely cut her off.

2/ For every hundred bucks or pounds that an American pays in tax, a British family pays three hundred. Our petrol prices alone are nearly twice what yours are because of the tax level! Ditto for tobacco products, alcohol, Value Added Tax, New Car Tax,National Insurrance, Income Tax, Road Fund License etc. This government is taxing us to extermination, yet expecting us to live as though we were in America. If we paid as little tax and parents had as many breaks when investing in higher education, maybe I could appreciate your argument more. Of course the whole thing hinges on the selfish bastards actually being bothered to invest in their daughter at all. (And also assumes for Devil's Advocate sake, that we're talking about a real situation.)
 
kis123 said:
I come from a family of six children, plus my mom raised my two nieces and their children as well. There wasn't enough money to pay for post high school education, and we were pretty much left to handle it ourselves. Because of her financial situation, I didn't expect her to do any more than what she could.

However, these parents are making over 100k per year, and they won't lift a finger to assist their child to finance her education.


That's the crucial point; doing for your kids what you are ABLE. Your mum didn't have the financial resources, but these two have them coming out of their ears. I'm all for overcoming the obstacles that life throws at you, because it shows responsibility and courage; but having your own parents invent obstacles out of sheer bloody mindedness is fucking obscene. Pardon my fucking French!
 
Admiral Trouser said:
what we need to do is to somehow bring the Oxford/Cambridge clique down to the level of the rest of the universities knocking about (or, in an ideal world, bring all of those up to Oxford's level),

For the colonials among us, Oxford and Cambridge are the two most prestigeous universities in England. They're the equivalent of places like MIT, Stamford and Berkley.
 
It never ceases to amaze me........

Okay, the whole thing was staged. That's way beside the point. I know of families that don't even make half of this family and they support their children's college costs. If college costs were the same as in the 70s and 80s, it was easier to go without a lot of parental involvement. Nowadays, tuitions cost almost as what some people make in a year. Notice I used the word "support" as in assist, not in letting able-bodied people lay on their butts and get a free ride. It's called "get a job and do what you can to help yourself, and we'll work out the rest." Responsibility, what a concept!

If the parents cannot afford to assist their kids in obtaining higher education, fine. But if you have the money, and aren't willing to share in order to improve the quality of life for your own flesh and blood, what does that really say?

Many cultures do everything to support their families in every way possible in order to improve their quality of life. We're one of the few cultures that actually believe that just because someone is 18, that means you put the kid out on the lawn and shut the door. Other cultures don't allow the children to leave home until marriage, college or not. Think about the person you and your peers were at the age of 18. No where near adult in maturity. Mom and Dad took care of everything, and now you're just on your own to try to figure it out on your own.

Tron, do as you want with your children, but I won't leave mine to fend for themselves just because the law says their adults. Not in this economy or society. I did not raise my children under the typical societal norms anyway because what seems normal and natural to some, is sheer unnecessary foolishness to me. I would hope that if you had to money to help your child through college (and the child doesn't squander the money by flunkning out or being irresponsible) that you would support your kid. Eighteen or not, still your kid for life! That doesn't mean that I bail my child out of every mess they make either. Both of mine will tell you that Mom doesn't play like that.

As usual, the opinions expressed by the writer do not necessarily reflect the opinions of others on this board........
 
kis123 said:
It never ceases to amaze me........

Okay, the whole thing was staged. That's way beside the point.

At this stage we don't know that. It's the firm opinion of His Darth-ness's English friend and I think it sounds like a possibility. We don't have the low-down on Tron's claim yet. I'm just waiting to hear what he says about his friend, that makes his opinion so irrefutable.

I do agree with you though Kis, like many discussions here it can be debated from the point of the Devil's Advocate. Even if Mike's friend turns out to be right, it's a damn good point for discussion, because we know that this sort of thing is happening anyway.


There is two things I'd like to set straight right away though.

Originally posted by Neutron
She should stop being a beggar and work through what life sends her.

Point a) She can't stop being a beggar because she isn't being one to start with. As a lesbian, she's offered to sell her virginity to a man to help pay off the debts the arsehole government has saddled her with, after her parents have paid through the noses as not just tax-payers, but higher-rate taxpers. That sounds like a business deal to me, and what must be a very distasteful business deal from her POV. Not begging.

Point b) Life didn't send it to her, her bloody-minded parents did. This isn't a situation of circumstance as it was with Kis's mum, it's a situation of vindictiveness, caused by two tight-fisted old bastards who ought to know better.
 
AT -

perhaps you can come to the states for university instead of dropping out. have you looked at scholarships here for foreign attendees?
 
Come to the states? I wish...I mean, I'd *love* to, but I doubt I could afford it in the long run. But to answer your question...no, I have not. Are they favourable to students with above-average grades?

AT
 
Wonder what she looks like. 10,000 pounds to have sex with a lesbian who probably has no experience or idea on how to please a man. Good luck.
 
Cav88 said:
Wonder what she looks like. 10,000 pounds to have sex with a lesbian who probably has no experience or idea on how to please a man. Good luck.

She was five-eight or five-nine, slim build with red hair. Very creamy complexion; looked rather celtic.
 
For those that want 'em, links:

http://www.rosieharmen.co.uk/

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml

Note this one is probably going to vanish as I don't think the News of the World (now there's a high quality paper...) has a permanent archive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3429769.stm

Haven't been able to find anything that confirms this as a hoax, but it wouldn't surprise me. Certainly there's enough on the 'official' site linked above to make me go pause.

Doubtless this all seems a bit silly to our American friends who, as I understand it, come out of their higher / further education with a lot more debt than us Brits. The problem though is this: paying huge sums of money for further education is a pretty new phenomenon to most families and, quite simply, whether they want to help or not most parents simply haven't planed to be forking out £15,000 or more for their kids’ education. Not out of laziness or spite or poor fiscal management but simply because the very idea of such a figure being required even ten years ago was laughable. And that's for a single place at university, for those families with more than one kid, or for students on longer degree courses, that figure goes up pretty damn quick.

The sad thing is, even though they'll be coming out with such a huge debt to pay off, there simply aren't any jobs for them. Don't get me wrong; the job market in general isn't too bad in the UK, but graduate jobs? Nope, sorry, they're not increasing at anywhere near the rate the government wants uni applicants to rise. Instead the degree itself is getting devalued, with university courses taking the place of A-Levels (sorry, don't know enough about the American system to provide equivalents, anyone help me out here?) as the rest of the education system is dumbed down to ensure a higher pass rate.

Wait, no that's not fair, and I don't want to imply that students (uni or secondary school) aren't working as hard as they used to, in fact the overall work level has probably gone up if anything. The problem is almost all educational courses are taught for one purpose - to pass the exam. The result, through no fault of their own, is a generation (actually more than one by now) of people coming into the workplace totally unprepared. I've seen this first hand with the general calibre of first-time-job applicants in our IT department going through the floor in the last few years. Again, I'm not suggesting they're dumb as that simply isn't the case. The problem is they're so used to memorising the exact solution to a problem it takes a while - sometimes weeks, sometime years - for them to get used to working intuitively.

Basically what I see as the big stumbling block in this whole sorry affair is very simple. The current government wants 50% of kids to go to University. Now the problem with that is that there is no way a properly taught degree course in a useful subject is going to be understood by that many people. Again, to clarify, I'm classing a useful subject as one with a career on the end of it so you can start paying back the debt mountain you picked up on route. Yet somehow the idea of awarding places based on merit, and if you're not good enough then we're sorry but you can't go, has been thrown away. Instead everyone seems terrified of offending someone by saying that, so we suddenly find ourselves having to fund thousands of places on degrees that are going to be of no benefit whatsoever in the long run (other than the personal development part) and dumbing down our degree programme in the process. Pathetic.
 
Dear Limeoutsider;

Everyone has their choices. Your parents had their reasons, as did mine. That doesn't necessarily make them the best ones. This girl has gotten to the point that she's willing to prostitute herself for tuition money. If you have/had a daughter, would you want her to do that? Would you sit by and allow some stranger to do that to her while you remained tight-fisted and prideful thinking you're teaching her some sort of lesson?

I really don't believe that you have that in you. But just in case I'm wrong, that's not the way I'd treat my own daughter. If she squanders my money, fine. She'll finish her education on her own when she shows maturity and responsibility. And even then, I'd help her because she's my kid and I want the best for her as long as she's willing to help herself.
 
BOFH666 said:
For those that want 'em, links:

Excellent links mate. Thanks very much.

BOFH666 said:
Doubtless this all seems a bit silly to our American friends who, as I understand it, come out of their higher / further education with a lot more debt than us Brits.

The American system is more expensive yes, but it's not as displaced as price comparison might make it first appear. As I mentioned earlier, the tax system in the US is a hell of a lot lighter, and parents get much higher breaks on tuition investment funds.

BOFH666 said:
Instead the degree itself is getting devalued, with university courses taking the place of A-Levels (sorry, don't know enough about the American system to provide equivalents, anyone help me out here?) as the rest of the education system is dumbed down to ensure a higher pass rate.

A-Levels in Britain are the equivalent of sucessfully graduating from High School. GCSE's would be like someone dropping out two years early, but not as a complete academic failiure. Our system allows leaving earlier with something to show for it. The American one doesn't.
 
Limeoutsider said:
I have no sympathy for her because thats what my parents did to me

Lime, the world is a big enough shithole without having no sympathy for others, just because someone didn't have it for you. I don't know if you're a spiritual person or not, but have you ever thought that what happened to you, occured to give you the perfect example of how NOT to behave?
 
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Her parents are cruel, merciless shitheads because they won't spring for a college education for their ADULT daughter. Oh spare me. 🙄 Oh, and of COURSE they should immediately cave in to their daughter's threat to prostitute herself for tuition money, because that's not at ALL like a friggin' 2 year-old threatening to hold their breath if they don't get another slice of cake or something. Puh-LEASE. 🙄


Personally, I find fault with the UK's (and USA's, for that matter) system of penalizing those students with wealthier parents when it comes time to parcel out financial aid. Such a system is based on the assumption that everyone who is college-age is still somehow tied financially to their parents. Often, this isn't the case. I say if someone is counted as independent for income tax purposes, they should be assigned financial aid based on their own earnings and assets.
 
Previously posted by asutickler:

"Personally, I find fault with the UK's (and USA's, for that matter) system of penalizing those students with wealthier parents when it comes time to parcel out financial aid. Such a system is based on the assumption that everyone who is college-age is still somehow tied financially to their parents. Often, this isn't the case. I say if someone is counted as independent for income tax purposes, they should be assigned financial aid based on their own earnings and assets."

This part of your last post I agree with. If adulthood is obtained by age 18, then the person is an adult and their own income should be considered. I recently got burned with this after my son turned 18 and was entitled to disability benefits. They were drastically cut because of my income. What does that have to do with anything? He's either an independent adult or not.

However, the first part of your post made little sense to me. I don't feel that women want to prostitute themselves. I know of no little girl ever wishing "I want to be a prostitute when I grow up". This is usually a last resort and if nothing else, a cry for help.

By the way, no one is "springing" for anything. This is an investment in her future earned each time she passes a class successfully and stays out of trouble. And, no one didn't say she couldn't contribute by getting some kind of job, if any are available that she has the skills and ability. But then, isn't that why people go to college in the first place?
 
asutickler said:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Her parents are cruel, merciless shitheads because they won't spring for a college education for their ADULT daughter. Oh spare me. 🙄 Oh, and of COURSE they should immediately cave in to their daughter's threat to prostitute herself for tuition money, because that's not at ALL like a friggin' 2 year-old threatening to hold their breath if they don't get another slice of cake or something. Puh-LEASE. 🙄

I guess it's everyone for their own opinion ASU. You are free to be content with the morals of parents who earn close to a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year between them, cutting their daughter loose without a penny of help, just because she turned 18. Personally I like to think I'd care about my little girl just a wee bit more. Maybe I'd send her some food parcels or a reel of thread to darn her clothes with. Or maybe I'd be just totally wild and send her a brand new Bic Biro.

Could someone please explain this obsession with the age of 18 being the point at which all children should go fuck themselves? It's the legal age of majority; not some great symbolic age of easy self-reliance.
 
kis123 said:
And, no one didn't say she couldn't contribute by getting some kind of job, if any are available that she has the skills and ability.

I don't know if anyone caught this earlier, but she already has a job. She works as a waitress for the princessly sum of £4.50 an hour. (That's about 6 bucks.) Her student loans can only cover rent and partial tuition. If she actually has the nerve to want to eat as well, she has to work anyway. One wonders where she finds the time to do her homework.
 
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suppose I shall set you all straight and say "I wouldnt do that to my own child, I just meant that its not so suprising that it happened"
 
Limeoutsider said:
suppose I shall set you all straight and say "I wouldnt do that to my own child, I just meant that its not so suprising that it happened"

If that's what you truly believe hon, then feel free to say it. 🙂 Even if you think that what you want to say will be unpopular, you should never hide it. It's only by having everyone's cards on the table that we can really say that we appreciate free speech. That may sound surprising coming from me, who is a person very well known for vociferous disagreement, but I really mean it. When I disagree with someone, I don't want to change their opinion against their will. I want them to engage me in a serious debate. :twohugs:
 
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