underage tickling

[omegaking7]

Honestly, I think that the fact that we can have a honest and civil discussion about this is indicative of the fact that we're not "freaks" or criminals for having a fetish. We're just regular folk with a unique interest.

 

[Journia]

It isn't exactly unique but go on.

 

[omegaking7]

Well, not to harp on it or over-analyze/over-clarify what I said, but when I say unique I'm not speaking in the context of this forum - as most of us are here for the same reason...

...what I mean is that it's unique in the view of the general citizenship of the world (assuming, of course, that the general citizenship does not in fact have a tickle fetish).

 

[Journia]

Oh, don't worry, I was just making a comedic statement.

 

[FeatherJedi]

i'm so happy for this thread. so much as MEANTION underage tickling on the TMF and they'll act like you burned a flag (even tho they accept animated clips from stuff like TMNT or Pokemon with no complaints. hypocrites).

I'm no pedophile, but i've always felt that tickling should be for all ages, and as long as it's not sexual, kids should be welcome

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

i'm so happy for this thread. so much as MEANTION underage tickling on the TMF and they'll act like you burned a flag (even tho they accept animated clips from stuff like TMNT or Pokemon with no complaints. hypocrites).e

In TMF's defense, many of the moderators, if not all of them, aren't into anime or manga, and wouldn't know the difference between an underager, preteen, teen, or an adult character.

They use the same good faith rules that we do here and trust that the user is responsible enough to not upload underage material. While their views/rules on the subject are stricter, the principle is the same.

In fact, if it wasn't for me (and anyone else whose helping) some of the underage content wouldn't be reported or deleted as it has been in several cases (and trust me, alot of the stuff and links needed to be deleted). The mods don't have the time to verify the age of characters, but people in my position often already know, or can easily find out for them.

I've been told and given the discinct impression that if you find underage material posted (either as attachments, IMG, or as links, that they appriciate it is reported.

So, calling them hypocritical is a little short-sighted, in this instance.

 

[FeatherJedi]

no, seriously. u can't look at those TMNT kids or the kids from pokemon and digomon and not realize they're underage. i mean come on, no one's that stupid. they're hypocrites. all the time u get clips from animated shows that have minors, but this one time, this guy made a bunch of story requests for anime characters who a lot of which happened to be underrage, and everyone who responded to him came down like a meteor storm. if that's not hypocracy, i don't know what is

 

[FeatherJedi]

Hmm...I have a marvelous idea. There should be a forum...in a galaxy far far away for underage tickling. That way, anytime there is a person interested in it, they could go there instead of here to vent. After all, if it is going to make so many people wonder why, and make many people angry, there should be one, an active one albiet so that they do not have to worry about it and bring the subject back. After all, I have checked ticklish subject.com, and it is seriously not really...um...how you say... sufficient?

that's a great idea

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

no, seriously. u can't look at those TMNT kids or the kids from pokemon and digomon and not realize they're underage. i mean come on, no one's that stupid. they're hypocrites. all the time u get clips from animated shows that have minors, but this one time, this guy made a bunch of story requests for anime characters who a lot of which happened to be underrage, and everyone who responded to him came down like a meteor storm. if that's not hypocracy, i don't know what is

Then you don't know what is.

You can't take a couple, several or even more instances (over time) that were probably overlooked unintentionally and then use that as a basis to call them hypocrites. If you're talking about users blasting the stories, and not the moderators (which is how it's sounding), then they have nothing to do with that then until it's reported. Your entire case works under the assumption that the moderators are intentionally turning a blind eye, which unless you're willing to prove is nothing but some sort of propaganda on your part or something you see as an injustice, when, in reality, they're just dealing with what they can when they see it (that doesn't equate, necessarily, to them picking and choosing what they wish to deal with.)

You can't expect moderators to view every piece of material that enters a website, and because of that, oversights are made all the time. That doesn't make these hypocritical occurences. To call them hypocrites is just angsty and a pretty loose excuse to be using the word. I could think of any number of things that would qualify for real hypocracy, and skipping over some cartoons, most likely be accident, is not one of them.

I suggest you quit while you're ahead, as you've made your point (or you've tried to anyway).

 

[FeatherJedi]

do you know how popular the TMNT and Digimon clips are? And do people ever complain about them?

 

[Journia]

that's a great idea

Hey thanks EmseeSquared.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

do you know how popular the TMNT and Digimon clips are? And do people ever complain about them?

Complaints and hypocracy are two different things. One is intitled to their opinion of pick and choose. That doesn't necessarily make them a hypocrite. Let me explain it to you, since you obviously don't get it.

Since moderator awareness cannot always be guranteed, popularity is irrelevent. If people felt there was bias toward the clips they would be removed too. If you feel theres a hypocracy, don't bitch about it. Go report them if it bothers you. People don't report them, I guess, and maybe thats your problem. That doesn't make them hypocrites, and you certainly can't blame an unaware moderator. It's not their responsibility to watch all the videos that are uploaded. They rely on the users to be their eyes and ears in many things, and if the users aren't helping then it's no wonder nothing is being done, as if something needed to be.

Furthermore, stories can be far more discriptive and leud than a cartoon clip is ever going to be. There are natural reasons why stories would be singled out (especially by the people who read them) and some infraction had occured as their adult natures are almost assured in most cases, whereas a cartoon scene is never drawn for a fetishist's sake. It's the fetishist who chooses to see something more to it than was implied, and therefore a difference is made between a cartoon they had no control or creation in, versus a story they can make any way they choose.

A cartoon clip is a cartoon clip. Just because it is posted on a fetish website (and is pretended to be a fetish for the same of being uploaded) does not make it sexual or leud (only in the mind of the person pretending). Hardly anyone is going to complain about that, given that it is not sexual in nature and cannot be implied as such. A fetish story is a fetish story. It IS implied, and theres no reading between the lines to determine it's either leud or inappropriate when and if it is. That people complain about it makes no one a hypocrite, as the clips were innocent and the story was not (as it took the conscious imagination of the writer to create an inappropriate situation to begin with, which is grounds for complaint by whomever would complain.)

No one complains about clips because they have offended no one due to their origins and non-fetish nature. A story on the other hand is in an easier position to be judged, due to it's origin and intent.

Your case holds little weight, I'm afraid, and it's beginning to contradict itself. I warned you to quit while you were ahead. Now you're in deeper and this conversation is going to get harder for you to deal or talk your way out of, unless of course you quit, which I recommend.

You're not impressing anyone calling anyone else a hypocrite or putting that kind of a reputation over random people you probably don't even know. You may have said those things without really thinking about them, and if thats the case, maybe you should choose your words more carefully next time.

I know you're intitled to your opinion, but if you want people to agree with you more often, you need to know how to represent your points with more clarity and accuracy and not just say things just to say them.

 

[FeatherJedi]

look, all i'm saying is that underage tickling should be allowed as long as it is 100% clean. As it's already been discussed, tickling is kiddy cartoon torture, and that's how it should be treated as in any stories or art anyone wishes to present. Either that, or there should be a seperate forum for underage-related material (as long as it's not sexual).

 

[DarthJarJar]

this s what i don't understand. we have pictures of several cartoon characters, such as Juniper Lee, Misty from Pokemon, Lisa Simpson, And countless others who are clearly not 18, yet it is okay. we even have several stories dotted here and there involving these same characters, usually in some sort of Interrogation type story, most of the time. now, maybe it's because that these are cartoons and all, but why can't we do the same thing with real children?

 

[Kjiron]

Okay, how about looking at it this way then:

It comes down to respecting the decision of the website owner, TT. He dosen't want to have to take responability for anything should the posting of tickling real children ever lead to trouble. And it very well could, no one here can deny that with honest eyes. So why are the cartoons allowed? For the same reason 14 and 16 year-olds are often found in anime hentai websites; because the image isn't real and can't be treated as though it were "real". I know that to some extent lolicon is illegal in the US, but my point remains very valid. No one is ever going to come down on this site for the TMNT and Digimon clips. Someone might, however, come down on us over images of young children being tickled or otherwise molested by adults. Whatever we might think, it is still TT's (and, for the most part, the other moderators') site and the mature thing to do is respect his (their) decision.

 

[nessonite1]

Lolicon, as far as I know, isn;'t illegal at all in the US. It is in Canada but I'm not sure of the specifics.
Kijron is totally correct, however. Tis site isn't only held to US laws, it's also held to the TOS of the server it resides on AND the wishes of the admin. tk art and cartoons involving characters who are drawn to be underaged are allowed because it doesn't infringe on any laws of the US, doesn't go against the server TOS, and hasn't been abolished by the admin. Anything involving REAL minors is disallowed, whether it's innocent or not. Whether it's legal or not. Perhaps most simply because it would bring the site under unwanted scrutiny.
Also the admin could just not want to attract the sort of people/discussion/atmosphere that allowing that content would bring. The content may be innocent, but those seeking it most klikely are not.

 

[FeatherJedi]

which again brings me back to the TMF. cuz like i explained, a few months ago someone made sum requests for sum stories with anime and cartoon characters, many, but not all, of which were minors, and nearly everyone who replied was negatory to his requests. and these were just cartoon characters. The thread was reported and deleted. maybe it went against the wishes of the TMF owners, i don't know, but from what i've seen here, it seems to be a bit more leniant on the matter, especially in terms of cartoons.

 

[nessonite1]

I don't know the TMF rules. It's been months since I even went there. We may indeed be more lax where cartoon images are concerned. But you have to remember that we and the TMF are two entirely seperate entities. What works over there has no bearing on what we do here, and vice versa.

 

[FeatherJedi]

exactly. that's why i've grown to like this place over the TMF ^^

 

[Journia]

Woot to emseesquared and to nessonite

 

[FeatherJedi]

^^

 

[BigNorm]

basically, if it's not old enough to smoke, don't tickle it, unless quickie fun tickles.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

look, all i'm saying is that underage tickling should be allowed as long as it is 100% clean. As it's already been discussed, tickling is kiddy cartoon torture, and that's how it should be treated as in any stories or art anyone wishes to present. Either that, or there should be a seperate forum for underage-related material (as long as it's not sexual).

Actually, no, thats not all you're saying.

You were talking about hypocracy and now you're channel changing to what underage tickling should conform to.

You said that based on your opinion of how it should be. Isn't that a little hypocrital, in it's own way? You accuse them of being bias, but your own ideal is preconcieved already as well. Either you're all hypocrites, or none of you are.

If you had spoken this way first, instead of jumping to calling people hypocrites, then it wouldn't have been a problem and it wouldn't have been addressed.

Other than that, I don't disagree with what you're saying, and I don't imagine anyone else would either. It's simply common sense.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

don't tickle it, unless quickie fun tickles.

I wouldn't suggest doing it, even then. "Quickie fun tickles" aren't any less inappropriate in the interaction with an underager. In fact, its those quickie fun tickles that are more numerous and would land people in jail or in trouble, either way (the quick touch is often most people get a chance to do, like how a groper doesn't get to feel the person up, but rather get a quick squeeze). Physical touching with a child, that can possibly be concieved as innappropriate or harmful to others is best avoided, as you can't gurantee that the other person is going to see it the same way you intended it.

If you're alone with the kid, I don't think its it's a good enough excuse to be touching them, even if you can get away it. Theres no reason to be touching them. In the case of underagers old enough to make their own decisions, you cannot assume they will have appriciated being touched and that you've haven't violated their personal space.

Theres no reason to be tickling people at random or in any other circumstance. It serves no point and it's rather presumptious.

I think people just generally need to be more considerate of other people's personal private space and not intrude unless its welcome or implied that it's welcome. To do it just to satisfy you, especially if it's on the impulse due to a fetish, then it should be avoided.

I'm saying this, of course, under the impression that the topic is still being discussed.

If you were indirectly talking about persons in fictional works, then its a different matter.

 

[Yet_One_More_Idiot]

look, all i'm saying is that underage tickling should be allowed as long as it is 100% clean. As it's already been discussed, tickling is kiddy cartoon torture, and that's how it should be treated as in any stories or art anyone wishes to present. Either that, or there should be a seperate forum for underage-related material (as long as it's not sexual).

There already IS a kid-tickling forum; at least one that I know of an belong to. You just have to know where to look in order to find them.