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kcantankerous

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Is unfaithfulness in marriage something widespread? Again I'm asking because I am somewhat nieve of this. Do some of you think it is, and if so what can be done to keep the faithfulness in your marriage?
 
That likely depends on what you consider to be "unfaithful". Surprisingly (or not), people DO have different definitions of this. But, to answer the question, I think there's a lot more these days than there used to be.

When I was sacristan at my church, I'd often hear brides and grooms commenting to friends before the wedding even took place that if it didn't work out they'd just get a divorce and move on to someone else. I think the throw-away mentality of our society has permeated marriage and led some to treat it the same as anything else. Many have no intention of their relationship being "til death do us part". It's simply something for the moment, as easily tossed as a worn out....whatever. These are the types of relationships where cheating seems to prosper the most.

AFA what can be done... I think we need to start from scratch and remind people what true commitment is all about. We also need to start teaching our kids about things like this so they have an idea what committment is BEFORE they start getting into relationships. Things have "advanced" to the point where nearly every aspect of life has some element of instand gratification. It's only natural for people to carry that into relationships if they aren't advised that it can be otherwise at some point. "I'm not happy with this. I think I'll trade it in on another." That was never meant for relationships.

Ann
 
I completely agree with Ann. In our society, the attitudes about marriage and the family have gone downhill greatly in the past 30 years. Whereas divorce used to be frowned upon, it is now seen as a part of every day life, something that is acceptable in society.
I dont want to get on my soapbox here, but there is another reason for marriages not being taken seriously. The "no fault" divorce laws. In such a case, many times, if you have a couple who is divorcing, say, because of an abusive partner, the judge will often not penalize such a person either financially or in any which way. Additionally, many times the members of a person's social, or even religious, systems will in no way hold a person responsible for their actions in marriage.
Case in point, and again, not to get on my soapbox. I have been estranged from my father for 12 of the 16 years since my parents seperated. At no time, during any of that time, did anyone, either from his family, or his friends, who knew me since childhood, attempt to ever contact me, or prevail upon him, to do anything different which would percipitate a reconciliation. Women dated him, and one even married him,with a rabbi's "blessing" when we were estranged, without even probing into the reasons for our estrangement, what he did, and why we were estranged. At no time did anyone say to him:" Alan, get help, get your son back, this isnt right for you to be living without him." His family, his friends, and his current wife just didnt care. There was no intervention for either one of our sakes to ever promote a reconciliation. Also, he got away with an absolutely outrageous divorce "settlement" with my mother, using tactics outside of the law, again, because there were no social, justice, or religious systems to go to.
Until society starts penalizing people, and examining the facts of why marriages fail, and the consequences, especially for women and children, of such marriages, the whole family structure will continue to deteriorate. Men will leave, and not pay alimony, or child support, while engaging in rebuilt lives for themselves at their first family's expense like my father did. Until people begin to say: Divorce, and estrangement from children, and not paying alimony or child support is a sin, and society begins to take action against these people, by shunning them socially, and penalizing them for non payment of support, severely, nothing will change. Iam one who believes no fault divorce should be unconstitutional, and that laws should be changed. Maybe if this were to happen, people would value their marriages, work at them and their families more, and not feel :" Oh, sure if this doesnt work out, I'll just divorce, and maybe I will pay support if Iam ordered, and maybe I wont" Until laws are changed, and people are held accountable legally, and socially, society will continue to deteriorate in this area. I speak from experience, and I can say that I wish things would change, not only for my mom, but for the millions of others like her who got so screwed in divorce with no where to turn, as the men who act like family and social criminals survive and thrive, with second wives, families, big lives, and no consequences from either society or the courts for their sinful actions.

Mitch

P'S I hope I didnt get a little off topic here. My apologies if I did. My point was to take this a step further of why marriages are often unfaithful, and to build on Ann's most excellent point about people not taking marriage so seriously. I feel I made some important points about society's attitudes toward marriage, divorce, infedility, and the family, using my own situation as an example. I stick to my belief that until society's attitudes, and laws change, in regard to divorce, and throwing away the family, things will remain the same.
 
Ann I agree. Its almost like there is no emotion anymore. Everything is very casual, from friendship to sex. Everyone is out to have a "good time" regardless of the thoughts and consequences of the other person. How can you commit to something like that? Its almost like the idea of true love doesnt exist anymore cause everyone is too sceptical and feelings no longer go below the surface. I am divorced and was not happy. I wasn't looking for something better, just to get out of what I had because we were both miserable. But not once did I cheat on him. Didnt have time with two small children and the feeling of worthlessness. But then should have never married in the first place. Trust me, finding the right one is elusive. You may think there is always going to be someone better, cuter, funnier, sexier. The temptation will always be there for some people. Its making the effort to not give in willfully. Remembering the qualities that you found appealing originally.
 
My cynical side tells me that yes, unfaithfulness in marriage is widespread.
reasons ? time, stress, and boredom.
what can you do to prevent it? nothing

sorry, but you DID ask :triangle:
 
The real problem is people don't take the time to get to know their mate. Celebrates are microcasms of real life. The way they jump in and out of relationships is because of the physical attraction and afew good dates. Marrige is not outdated, and you can't find say their isn't someone out their that can satisfy the majority of needs. The enemys are as follows, long work hours, stress, poor communication skills, not enough time learning about one another. No ones perfect but I've seen plenty of successful marriges, and unsuccessful ones. Slowing down in relationships is the answer to most of the problems in marriges followed by poor communication. If both were present less divorces and cheating would result.
 
I think the problem is that man was not created to be monogamous. im not a big believer in marriage just for that reason. to me, the only reason to get married would be to have kids. other than than, i just dont get it. why get stuck with one person your whole life. boggles my mind. i think more so for men than women.
 
You are so right knogz. Especially with Communication. It is so very important. That and honesty. Focus. Its frustrating when one person is the only one doing the communicating. Eventually it breaks down altogether.
 
I think the growth of mass media has also taken a large toll on the increase in unfaithfulness and divorce. Before mass media came along, unfaithfulness and divorce happened, but now, you can find it being talked about anywhere and everywhere: TV, movies, magazines, etc. People watch and read, and say, "Hey! That looks like fun." Then they try it. Either that or they see something that caused a divorce, and say, "Hey! That's what happened to me. Maybe, I should get a divorce." They see other people getting a divorce over something, that they themselves might have been able to work past. Peer pressure is a strong method of persuasion. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that there are some things that cannot be worked out. But, in my view a lot of the unfaithfulness today is fueled by Hollywood's glorification of it. :ranty:
 
Yeah, communicating that sex is an important part of ones life, spontaniousness, or that maybe it's not the time for that person to be monogamous would be something worth knowing before marriage. Seems like the best thing is to date, than start a bf gf relationship, and finally marriage if things go properly and enough growing has occured. Sometime the bf gf stage takes years, and the dating proccess might be the same. By the time the bf gf stuff is established youd think the casual sex with others outside the relationship would have ended. Or at least that need to fool around with others would've been quenced. But so often people like myself just want to get to the end result with haste so as not to worry about that part of life anymore. Maniactickler, although you have a strong opinion I'd have to disagree. I think ones ability to be happy with one person is within each individual. But if one chooses to date around or whatever that is cool. I just hope to see a decline in divorces more or less.
 
I'd hate to think the vast majority of the populac is mindless puppets, but every now and then it seems that way.
 
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