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USA Today: Bonds to be stripped of HR Title?

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-11-selig-rodriguez-suspension_N.htm

Not only is he thinking of suspending A-Rod:

Selig said he also is considering reinstating Hank Aaron as baseball's home run king in the record book. Barry Bonds broke Aaron's record of 755 home runs in 2007 but is scheduled to stand trial March 2 on charges he lied to a federal grand jury about performance-enhancing drugs.

"This is breaking my heart, I don't mind telling you that," Selig said.
 
Would this also mean marris or mcgwire is the single season record holder?

Also i somewhat dislike this because they may try to slip in more revisionist history and try to take away Rose's hit record
 
I'd imagine, if he's the commissioner, he can do as he pleases....

Snail Shell
 
Would this also mean marris or mcgwire is the single season record holder?

Also i somewhat dislike this because they may try to slip in more revisionist history and try to take away Rose's hit record

Why? Was Rose betting on steroids?
 
Why? Was Rose betting on steroids?


Just throwing him in there because of his situation

Selig is a scum bag though, now he is claiing he may do something to A-rod and claims how much he thinks of Aaron's record

BULLSHIT, if he cared so much, he woulda done something for the game during McGwire and Sosa when they knew McGwire was on something and he woulda done something during Bonds.
 
Can they really do that??? :shrug:

The owners and their front man, Selig, can do anything they want to do. They own MLB and have no less than the Supreme Court ruling that they are exempt from anti-trust legislation.

It is just not clear that "official" records have any meaning if you ignore what actually happened on the field. I must say that, even as I hope that the Evil One (who played for the hated jints) gets convicted and goes to prison.
 
bout damn time, aaron deserves that record, while he is at it give marris back the single season home run record.. if people are juicing they dont deserve the records
 
No he cannot do that, because the agreement made in 2003 is iron clad, there can be no reprocussions for any positive test for those 104 players

The commissioner who put the asterisk on Maris' record, didn't succeed long in changing the record books, and I don't believe Selig could get away with that too

The only thing they could do is underneath each record broken during the Steroid Era is to explain that it came from such era. All they could do
 
I don't think he really has any basis to take the homerun record away from Bonds and give it back to Marris. There is no "proof" that Mark McGwire ever took steroids. The only evidence is the testimony of Jose Conseco who still isn't a credible witness despite the fact that some of his accusations have been true and the the fact that McGwire kept saying "I'm not here to talk about the past" during the steroid hearings. I think he took steroids, but where is the smoking gun?

If you want to get more technical, Marris had more games in a season than Ruth did when he broke the record because they had extended the length of the season. Should we just go back and give the record to Ruth and put an astrisk next to Marris' name and a double astrisk beside McGwire and then a triple astrisk beside Bonds?

I say you just let the records stand because there were apparently 104 players taking steroids at that time in 2003. On top of that, there could have been guys who had come off a cycle so their steroid results didn't show up. Also take into account the number of guys who were taking steroids that couldn't be detected. Who knows how many people were really on steroids? Even more astounding is the fact that the position with the most steroid abusers who have been identified is pitchers. So it is EXTREMELY probable that guys like Bonds, McGwire and A-Fraud were hitting against players who were also cheating.

I just think it's wrong to go back and create revisionist history. If anything, baseball should use all of this to try to strong arm the union into introducing random testing in the off-season. That is one of the few things that is going to help legitimize the steroid tests and help project a better image. Changing records does nothing because one can argue that the pitchers Bonds hit against were also taking illegal substances since the position that has been caught the most for steroid use has been pitchers.
 
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Good anyone who has been caught or who has admitted to using steriods should have every record they have accomplished stripped from the record books and should be banished from any chance at achieving the hall of fame I personally dont care who it is or what team they play for
 
bout damn time, aaron deserves that record, while he is at it give marris back the single season home run record.. if people are juicing they dont deserve the records

Agreed.....Bonds doesnt deserve to hold Hank Aaron's jock strap, much less hold Aaron's home run record.....
 
This may be off-topic, but years ago I remember seeing a champion powerlifter on tv saying that steroids really don't give anyone that much of an advantage, except speeding up the process of getting bigger. Same results as without steroids, only faster. Maybe someone here has some expertise and can speak to this? Also, Babe Ruth was a big strong guy but I don't think he spent much time in the gym. Its a matter of talent and steroids cant give you talent.

Take a guy who mainly has a job because of his defense and has a lifetime batting average of .200 or thereabouts. I think you could juice him up as much as you want and he's still not going to be able to hit the ball any better, just because he's bigger now. If he has the talent, he'll get better by spending time in the batting cage, but all the muscle in the world by itself won't make him a better hitter.

I think maybe if the focus was less on "is it cheating, should we put an asterisk next to this guy's whatever stat it is", and more on "this stuff is dangerous, you're going to have health problems later in life if you use this and what good will stats do you then", they might have better results keeping people off of it. It can be debated whether steroids gives you an unfair advantage, there's no debate about whether you're messing up your health in years to come. Sorry if this post is off-topic.
 
As someone who once hated Bonds and said he didn't deserve the record, I have to disagree with Selig. Selig is such a joke and the worst commissioner pretty much of all time. Probably about 3/4ths of the players in the past decade used steroids. Selig, you have two choices. Delete the ENTIRE era from all the history books or let them stand. You can't just erase Bonds, A-Rod, and whoever else you feel like erasing.

Oh and for the record, Hank Aaron did amphetamines. I guess Ruth is the home run king. And let's remove everyone else who did amphetamines and threw spit balls too while we're at it.
 
I don't like the idea of taking away the all time HR record from Bonds. He cheated to get it, and I think the memories of the accusations and the controversy will last as long as the record itself. Aaron has said he doesn't like the idea of taking the title back, and I think that in itself should play a big part in the discussion.

Bond's record is through the course of a career, which is why the talent argument stands up. There's no way of attributing certain home runs in his career to steroid use and certain others to raw talent. It's too hazy to take any serious action.

However the single season record is different. 60 home runs was an incredible feat when Maris and Ruth did it. Forget the difference in games (although if interested in the topic, 61* is a great film). Other than during the highly controversial steroid era, hitters have merely chased sixty home runs in a single season. To think a non-roid player could hit 74 home runs takes a LOT of imagination. Bonds is the steroid poster boy, and I really think we're kidding ourselves if we say Mark McGwire wasn't on steroids. He basically ignored the question entirely and refused to admit any of what had gone of in his past.

I argue that the single season home run record can be fixed. Think about how exciting a 55 home run season would be. One or two guys get there every year... and because of Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and the rest, they're still almost 20 from the record. Is this really how we want to remember the single season home run record? As an unreachable peak belonging to the most notorious black eye in the game's history? (the black sox was one team, Rose was one man.... 104 tested positive in 2003? and that's certainly not everyone who did it) Or as a record held by great hitters?


Just my thoughts...
 
Bonds cheated, but so did Aaron and everyone else in baseball history. Steroids were big in this era. Amphetamines and spit balls in other eras.
 
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