Very interesting interview on HDNET with Hulk Hogan which aired 5-20-11

[SlaverTickler]

I still watch wrestling, but if you are all that badass go to mixed martial arts and get a total reality check.

I can't get into a sport where it's legal to get on top of somebody and punch them in the face. Every other aspect of it I like, but only an animal fights like that. Otherwise I would be right into it myself.

As for the "reality Check" you mentioned. I would like to point out that every MMA guy who has tried to make it in pro wrestling didn't last because they couldn't handle the scheduler (Including Brock Lesner) so how is that for a reality check? On the up side to MMA only know of one guy who has died fighting for the UFC, so maybe these "wrestling fans" should consider that before they defend that ass hole who runs the WWE.

 

[The Fallen Angel]

Yeah, your right, it was Owen's fault that the WWE chose to go out of their way to hire a company that would set up the rigging with out the proper safety back ups that would have prevented his death... wow... that was the stupidest comment you have ever made. Regardless of the fact that some guys have or haven't gone, it doesn't change the fact that it is done for PR, and not for the troops. If it was about the Armed forces Vince would put on shows in Afghanistan to, but he doesn't because the media doesn't talk about Afghanistan as much in the United States. All in all it is irrelevant to my reason for disliking Vince witch is the manner in witch he treats his employees.

So unless you can defend cheating people out of money, needlessly endangering peoples in an already dangerous industry, or flat out lying to them, you can pretty much go away. Instead of looking at the man as some sort of Messiah of sports entertainment see him for the dirt bag he is.

You do realize that Vince had nothing to do with the Owen thing right? It wasn't his idea and he wasn't involved in it. The guys who rigged Sting for WCW called Vince Russo who was the head writer at the time to see if they could do anything for the WWE PPV. It was Russo's idea and Owen was on board with it, never once saying he didn't think it was a good idea. So as i said Owen is just as much at fault as Vince... but continue to crucify Vince for something he had no hand in... makes complete sense

 

[SlaverTickler]

You do realize that Vince had nothing to do with the Owen thing right? It wasn't his idea and he wasn't involved in it. The guys who rigged Sting for WCW called Vince Russo who was the head writer at the time to see if they could do anything for the WWE PPV. It was Russo's idea and Owen was on board with it, never once saying he didn't think it was a good idea. So as i said Owen is just as much at fault as Vince... but continue to crucify Vince for something he had no hand in... makes complete sense

You do know that Vince McMahon is the CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment right, and that nobody does anything with out his ok. So even if it was Russo's idea (and I am aware of that) he would still need the ok from Vince to go ahead with it. So why don't you stop making excuses for that cock sucker and simply admit that you are supporting a scum bag. As for it being "Owen's Fault"...again, how can you blame him for an unsafe working condition brought on because it would take an entire 5 minuets to take of the back-up harness? In the long run McMahon is the boss, so if you guys are going to kiss his ass for all the "good" stuff he's done for Pro Wrestling then he has to take the blame for all the bad he's done (and there is allot). It's not right to turn around and blame it all on Russo when he never could have done any of it if Vince wasn't giving him the go-ahead to do it. Like you said, Russo was the head writer, but Vince McMahon is CEO of the company.

 

[The Fallen Angel]

You do know that Vince McMahon is the CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment right, and that nobody does anything with out his ok. So even if it was Russo's idea (and I am aware of that) he would still need the ok from Vince to go ahead with it. So why don't you stop making excuses for that cock sucker and simply admit that you are supporting a scum bag. As for it being "Owen's Fault"...again, how can you blame him for an unsafe working condition brought on because it would take an entire 5 minuets to take of the back-up harness? In the long run McMahon is the boss, so if you guys are going to kiss his ass for all the "good" stuff he's done for Pro Wrestling then he has to take the blame for all the bad he's done (and there is allot). It's not right to turn around and blame it all on Russo when he never could have done any of it if Vince wasn't giving him the go-ahead to do it. Like you said, Russo was the head writer, but Vince McMahon is CEO of the company.

Russo himself has said he did it without the "ok" or anything from Vince. He is a busy guy im sure he wasn't to caught up in what they were going to do for Owen Hart's entrance that night. Vince has taken blame for it, shortly after it happened... several times, and i just don't personally see how any of the blame falls on Mcmahon.

Its Owen's "fault" because while he was being lowered he moved and adjusted his cape, knowing that it only took 9 pounds of pressure to release the harness. He even expressed to Russo that he needed to make sure the cape and mask where right before he got on the line because he didn't think he could/should adjust it while in the air. When he did.... he fell

 

[Heeko]

Save it Angel. You're wasting your time..

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Russo himself has said he did it without the "ok" or anything from Vince. He is a busy guy im sure he wasn't to caught up in what they were going to do for Owen Hart's entrance that night. Vince has taken blame for it, shortly after it happened... several times, and i just don't personally see how any of the blame falls on Mcmahon.

Its Owen's "fault" because while he was being lowered he moved and adjusted his cape, knowing that it only took 9 pounds of pressure to release the harness. He even expressed to Russo that he needed to make sure the cape and mask where right before he got on the line because he didn't think he could/should adjust it while in the air. When he did.... he fell

They shouldn't have put him in a such a dangerous position. Being 80ft in the air and not being able to simply adjust your cape without falling to your death is not something Owen can be blamed for. The clip that they used was for quickly releasing a boat mast. They asked many stunt coordinators about it and they all said it they would never hook someone to it. They kept asking until they finally found someone who would do it. His employer put him in a shitty position. The only fault Owen can take in it is not saying no.

 

[SlaverTickler]

They shouldn't have put him in a such a dangerous position. Being 80ft in the air and not being able to simply adjust your cape without falling to your death is not something Owen can be blamed for. The clip that they used was for quickly releasing a boat mast. They asked many stunt coordinators about it and they all said it they would never hook someone to it. They kept asking until they finally found someone who would do it. His employer put him in a shitty position. The only fault Owen can take in it is not saying no.

Thanks Fiend, my hands were starting to cramp up from trying to explain that to them, not that any of them give a shit about labor rights. If I may add one thing, I find it very hard to believe that Vince Russo was able to set up the entire thing with out getting an ok from Vince McMahon, unless McMahon is a complete and total idiot witch would contradict everything that they have been trying to claim about him.

ST

 

[SlaverTickler]

Save it Angel. You're wasting your time..

Your right, he's wasting his time defending a piece of shit ass hole name McMahon.

 

[The Fallen Angel]

They shouldn't have put him in a such a dangerous position. Being 80ft in the air and not being able to simply adjust your cape without falling to your death is not something Owen can be blamed for. The clip that they used was for quickly releasing a boat mast. They asked many stunt coordinators about it and they all said it they would never hook someone to it. They kept asking until they finally found someone who would do it. His employer put him in a shitty position. The only fault Owen can take in it is not saying no.

which is my point, Owen is just as much at fault as Vince...slim to none

 

[SlaverTickler]

which is my point, Owen is just as much at fault as Vince...slim to none

No it's not. Once he agreed to do it, the WWE was obligated to make sure the stunt was done as safely as possible, and they failed to do that. What kind of an idiot tries to suspend a 230 lbs man in the air with a hitch that only needs 9 lbs of pressure to open it? What sort of greed would cause somebody to forgo the normal safety precautions normally used in a stunt like that? Most importantly what caused and entire family to turn their back on the memory of the brother who was killed because of it? I guess 90% of the Hart family are a bunch of back stabbing fucks.

ST

 

[The Fallen Angel]

No it's not. Once he agreed to do it, the WWE was obligated to make sure the stunt was done as safely as possible, and they failed to do that. What kind of an idiot tries to suspend a 230 lbs man in the air with a hitch that only needs 9 lbs of pressure to open it? What sort of greed would cause somebody to forgo the normal safety precautions normally used in a stunt like that? Most importantly what caused and entire family to turn their back on the memory of the brother who was killed because of it? I guess 90% of the Hart family are a bunch of back stabbing fucks.

ST

they tested it multiple times and he had 2 run throughs before the event that went off without a problem.. shitty thing happened but no one is really at fault.. but im done beating my head against the wall attempting to explain that

 

[SlaverTickler]

they tested it multiple times and he had 2 run throughs before the event that went off without a problem.. shitty thing happened but no one is really at fault.. but im done beating my head against the wall attempting to explain that

Sorry but somebody was at fault, the employer who failed to ensure Owen's safety. You can keep sniffing around Vince's ass all you want, but 1+1 = 2 no matter how much you want it to be different. WCW used to do the same thing with Sting, and Sting always wore the safety back ups. If Diana Smith and Ellie Niedhart hadn't sold their Parents and sister-in-law down the river sucking up to McMahon trying to get work for their husbands, who knows how this thing would have gone in court. Hell, when Martha Hart initiated the Law Suit Vince attempted to have the case tried in Connecticut, where they don't pay out for Negligence. The the only reason the case was tried where it happened was because Martha's lawyer was smart enough to point out the the clause in Owen's contract ended with his death, and so it was void. That clause by the way was brought in because of the Charles Austin Case (he was basically crippled in a match with the Rockers) so the WWE wouldn't have to pay out money to people who get hurt making them money... nice guy that McMahon.

Regardless of anything I tell you, even if I prove it, I am sure you and others would remain blindly loyal to that piece of shit Vince McMahon. Witch by the way speak volumes about your lack of integrity and how you feel about the rights of the worker. Next time one of these guys dies, don't even pretend that you care, because if you did you would be boycotting the industry, not just the WWE, until things changed.

That wellness program, by the way, is a complete and utter joke. Vince only suspends people who are expendable, witch sends a mixed message to the locker room. While guys like HHH, Batista & Cena are/were, getting away with using roids and such. Randy Orton has one of the worst reputations for disrespecting the women in the locker room, but he has only been suspended once (probably for mouthing off to somebody like Trish). Come down on the top guys and the rest of the crew fall in line, other wise why have rules at all.

What it comes down to is, no matter what industry you are in, your rights as a worker should not be over looked for the sake of profit, and when you support pro wrestling you are saying that you are ok with that very thing.

ST