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[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I understand and both my brothers and my father would do the same thing even though I would be saying NO NO don't do that! I just don't see what that would solve or do! I agree with Silver Lycan that they need to go out and pick their own switch a few times but ultimately that wouldn't help much either. Let's look at this logically say we send them to jail they are going to get beaten and possibly raped a few times that abuse which would occure probly weekly if not daily would cause them to grow cold inside and hatred will start forming. With that they would become even more violent once they got out and they would have learned gang mentality for sure because it is likely their cell mates would make them part of a gang claiming to care for them and have their back as they say. So what would jail do make them worse. Now if you go and beat them up you would surely cause them much grief indeed. Now I am quite sure you are big men. You would be hitting very young women one was actually 14 so you could cause them a lot of damage and in all likely hood possibly kill thees girls. You would cause the innocent family a lot more unecessary grief. If we put them in a mental institution they will receive the help they desperately need and receive medication to balance out the chemical imbalance in their brains.From my point of view the mental facility seems to be the best choice.

 

[SilverleafLycan1]

QueenBB I fully agree with you. I am fairly certain that if I did strike them there would be serious damage, which is why I would never do it (also my mom would have my ass if she found out). I've also wanted mental institutions introduced to the legal system as a form of punishment for those who obviously need it. In this situation I believe their parents might be able to argue for that, but then it would come down to how long is long enough?

In jail we can keep them off the street, but there has yet to be any bill or talk that I have seen to properly introduce a mental institution. I hope the girls get the help they need, and I do hope they get smacked around some if they don't realize they need it.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I hope they do get help. I am not a psychologist or doctor of any sort but I do know a little bit as a lifeguard and I also have a first aid liscence as well as AED training. I also suffered a lot of verbal abuse in school and from my so called father. So I KNOW that if they were put in jail they would be damaged even more then they are now.

 

[Senshi1]

I can see why violence is tempting. It's all well and good for me to sit here and say that violence is bad and all, but honestly, if that were my kid, I'd want to kick their faces in too. I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I would too I am very protective of my family and friends and I would gladly defend them if need be but I wonder if that will help anything here. Let's put it this way: What if you go and kick her ass and then she gets really pissed off and gets some help from friends and goes back and hurts the very same girl again only this time far worse and kills her.

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

what the fuck?? thats sad. they wanted to make a video for youtube? what the hell?! god damn preppy ass material girls need to have someone knock the shit outta them and maybe they will learn a little respect for human quality. although it is sick how the media antagonizes stuff like this, still, only in America! why the hell would you deceive a friend like that for some retarded comments on youtube? i hate ppl so much.

 

[Weedly]

the internet helps stupid criminals get caught

 

[BigNorm]

this is what i HATE about the liberal media. no, by all means, don't blame the 6 girls who beat the shit outta the one, but let's blame the internet, because it allowed them to show the world their acts of violence.

if no internet or youtube, they'd still videotape it and pass it around.

don't get me wrong, what happened was horrible and evil, but the victim's parents are just damn ignorant to go off on youtube and the net for this.

i ask you, when's the last time the internet or youtbue reached out and beat someone half to death? hmmmmm? then let's blame those who are guilty.

 

[duck171]

this is what i HATE about the liberal media. no, by all means, don't blame the 6 girls who beat the shit outta the one, but let's blame the internet, because it allowed them to show the world their acts of violence.

if no internet or youtube, they'd still videotape it and pass it around.

don't get me wrong, what happened was horrible and evil, but the victim's parents are just damn ignorant to go off on youtube and the net for this.

i ask you, when's the last time the internet or youtbue reached out and beat someone half to death? hmmmmm? then let's blame those who are guilty.

Yea Norm. I guess its not politically correct to say they are evil, spoiled, assholes. It is correct to blame something that can't defend its self. This is just a cop out.

 

[Senshi1]

this is what i HATE about the liberal media. no, by all means, don't blame the 6 girls who beat the shit outta the one, but let's blame the internet, because it allowed them to show the world their acts of violence.

if no internet or youtube, they'd still videotape it and pass it around.

don't get me wrong, what happened was horrible and evil, but the victim's parents are just damn ignorant to go off on youtube and the net for this.

i ask you, when's the last time the internet or youtbue reached out and beat someone half to death? hmmmmm? then let's blame those who are guilty.

Well said.

 

[MistressValerie1]

Yea Norm. I guess its not politically correct to say they are evil, spoiled, assholes. It is correct to blame something that can't defend its self. This is just a cop out.

I agree. The blame lies exclusively with the delinquent teens and their inept parents, not with the Internet or YouTube. The teens should be fully held to account under the law, and the parents should be subject to civil lawsuit for the damages caused by their minor children.

 

[Duke Diablo]

I agree. The blame lies exclusively with the delinquent teens and their inept parents, not with the Internet or YouTube. The teens should be fully held to account under the law, and the parents should be subject to civil lawsuit for the damages caused by their minor children.

Indeed, but then again, it has been like that for centuries.
Take middle ages for example. The villagers would take a lonely, possibly old woman, call her a witch, and blame anything bad that happened on her. Later, it was the tv, then games, and now the internet.
This goes from the parents' point of view: "Oh no, our little Johhny listened to that bad rapper, Eminem. That is why he stole the candy. It's not because we never got time to teach him he shouldn't steal... he should know it by default. Also, it doesn't matter that we never spend time with him so he has to listen to those songs to somehow fill time and find his education in them. No, all of those don't matter. It's Eminem's fault, so we're going to sue him."
This is a trivialisation, but I think you get the point.

 

[Cbarton]

Now that I'm back in action, I'll throw in my two cents...
(1) What do you expect after multiple generations now that have devalued human life to the point that life is no longer sacred? We sacrifice kids for economic convience, the rest we ship off to daycare to be watched over by some stranger because our leaders have the tax base set to the point where the husband and wife both HAVE to work rather than because they both really want to
(2) What do you expect when all the Yuppies from the 1980's thru the 1990's wanted to 'experience' childbirth and having a child, then, when they reach toddler and older, suddenly were clueless on how to be a good parent? The most common option? Enter in Dr. Spock and company telling them how harmful it would be to deny their kids anything, so they give them everything that they cry for. We are now reaping the harvest of this poor parenting.
(3) What do you expect when TV, the movies, books, and the schools destroy the moral base that this country was based on? They have not been told right is right and wrong is wrong, but instead you base it on how you feel. Moral relativism has produced it's ultimate ugly offspring "AN AMORAL GENERATION." Note, I said AMORAL, not IMMORAL. Laws? Who cares, Mummy and Dahddy's lawyers will get me off and who cares, now I'm as famous as Paris, at least for a week. They have been wrongly taught that "If it works, then it's true" rather than "If it's true, then it will work." If nothing is wrong, then there is nothing to stop them from doing anything they want to anyone they want. How many court cases have shown them now that this is true?
(4) What do you expect when people are valued for the moment of glory, the instant of celebrity, the 100K hit on my "myspace" or "YouTube" posting? We give people instant celebrity for now reason at all (are you listening, Ms. Hilton?). The web and media aren't fully to blame, but they sure provide lots and lots and lots of motive.
(5) What do you expect when no one is responsible for their actions? It's always the web, the media, the video game, the movie scene, the booze, the drug, the (fill in the blank) that "made them do it. We have taught multiple generations to blame the other person bacause they are male, female, white, black, Asian, gay, straight, atheist, Christian, Jewish, Moslem, American, Arabic, European, blah blah blah.
ENOUGH!!!

You did it because you let the enemy of your soul deceive you that is was a good idea. You did it because you didn't have the guts to go against the crowd and stand up for what was right for this poor girl. You're not a victim. The girl you beat up is the victim. You did an adult crime, now you NEED to be punished like an adult. Too bad for you. If parents would stand up to their kids and punish them appropriately when they were young, they'd be smart enough to know right from wrong now. Now, you get to learn the hard way...

Whether you are a Believer or not, it is a true proverb: "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it" (Proverbs 22:6) Spare the rod and spoil the child is from Proverbs as well. But, if you learn the Hebrew, the rod stand for the rod of Authority, i.e. being the moral and leadership authority over them, not just 'beating' them, as many misuse this verse (on both sides of the child abuse arguement). Too many parents (esp. Dads) wanna be 'their friend' and not grow up, form a backbone, and BE THE GROWNUP! Either you take the rod up, or the kid will, and the prevailing chaos is the result of that.

Sorry for the Dennis Miller-like rant, but I've been watching this develop over the past 20 years. Now I'm seeing what is growing from the Dragon's teeth sown by those from my generation. Be afraid....very afraid....

 

[duck171]

Wow......Damn......

 

[Senshi1]

Now that I'm back in action, I'll throw in my two cents...
(1) What do you expect after multiple generations now that have devalued human life to the point that life is no longer sacred? We sacrifice kids for economic convience, the rest we ship off to daycare to be watched over by some stranger because our leaders have the tax base set to the point where the husband and wife both HAVE to work rather than because they both really want to
(2) What do you expect when all the Yuppies from the 1980's thru the 1990's wanted to 'experience' childbirth and having a child, then, when they reach toddler and older, suddenly were clueless on how to be a good parent? The most common option? Enter in Dr. Spock and company telling them how harmful it would be to deny their kids anything, so they give them everything that they cry for. We are now reaping the harvest of this poor parenting.
(3) What do you expect when TV, the movies, books, and the schools destroy the moral base that this country was based on? They have not been told right is right and wrong is wrong, but instead you base it on how you feel. Moral relativism has produced it's ultimate ugly offspring "AN AMORAL GENERATION." Note, I said AMORAL, not IMMORAL. Laws? Who cares, Mummy and Dahddy's lawyers will get me off and who cares, now I'm as famous as Paris, at least for a week. They have been wrongly taught that "If it works, then it's true" rather than "If it's true, then it will work." If nothing is wrong, then there is nothing to stop them from doing anything they want to anyone they want. How many court cases have shown them now that this is true?
(4) What do you expect when people are valued for the moment of glory, the instant of celebrity, the 100K hit on my "myspace" or "YouTube" posting? We give people instant celebrity for now reason at all (are you listening, Ms. Hilton?). The web and media aren't fully to blame, but they sure provide lots and lots and lots of motive.
(5) What do you expect when no one is responsible for their actions? It's always the web, the media, the video game, the movie scene, the booze, the drug, the (fill in the blank) that "made them do it. We have taught multiple generations to blame the other person bacause they are male, female, white, black, Asian, gay, straight, atheist, Christian, Jewish, Moslem, American, Arabic, European, blah blah blah.
ENOUGH!!!

You did it because you let the enemy of your soul deceive you that is was a good idea. You did it because you didn't have the guts to go against the crowd and stand up for what was right for this poor girl. You're not a victim. The girl you beat up is the victim. You did an adult crime, now you NEED to be punished like an adult. Too bad for you. If parents would stand up to their kids and punish them appropriately when they were young, they'd be smart enough to know right from wrong now. Now, you get to learn the hard way...

Whether you are a Believer or not, it is a true proverb: "Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it" (Proverbs 22:6) Spare the rod and spoil the child is from Proverbs as well. But, if you learn the Hebrew, the rod stand for the rod of Authority, i.e. being the moral and leadership authority over them, not just 'beating' them, as many misuse this verse (on both sides of the child abuse arguement). Too many parents (esp. Dads) wanna be 'their friend' and not grow up, form a backbone, and BE THE GROWNUP! Either you take the rod up, or the kid will, and the prevailing chaos is the result of that.

Sorry for the Dennis Miller-like rant, but I've been watching this develop over the past 20 years. Now I'm seeing what is growing from the Dragon's teeth sown by those from my generation. Be afraid....very afraid....

Usually I'm not into long posts, but that was pretty good. 🙂 Some good points in there.

 

[cartoonhero]

I agree. The blame lies exclusively with the delinquent teens and their inept parents, not with the Internet or YouTube. The teens should be fully held to account under the law, and the parents should be subject to civil lawsuit for the damages caused by their minor children.

I never agree with blaming everything on the parents. No matter how well you raise a child, at some point they will do silly things due to influence by friends etc.

How can a parent constantly keep an eye on the child? Its impossible. You want them to tie them up or never allow them to go out if they are not accompanied? Then people will be complaining about the childs human rights has been abused and violated their freedom blah blah and all that rubbish.

If a parent is to be blamed for all the childs actions then we would be making criminals out of everyone and in the future, 3 out of every 5 parents would have a criminal record.

A rapists parents would be held responsible too and so now we have 3 rapists.
A murderers parents would be held responsible so now we have 3 murderers.

That is totally unfair and a totally inappropriate method of dealing with crime.

The person who commited the crime should be held responsible. By having tougher and longer jail sentences for that individual, crime would naturally be reduced. Also, give the criminal counselling.

No rocket science here. Simple problem, simple answer.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

Wow......Damn......

:laughing:

 

[MistressValerie1]

I never agree with blaming everything on the parents. No matter how well you raise a child, at some point they will do silly things due to influence by friends etc.

How can a parent constantly keep an eye on the child? Its impossible. You want them to tie them up or never allow them to go out if they are not accompanied? Then people will be complaining about the childs human rights has been abused and violated their freedom blah blah and all that rubbish.

If a parent is to be blamed for all the childs actions then we would be making criminals out of everyone and in the future, 3 out of every 5 parents would have a criminal record.

A rapists parents would be held responsible too and so now we have 3 rapists.
A murderers parents would be held responsible so now we have 3 murderers.

That is totally unfair and a totally inappropriate method of dealing with crime.

The person who commited the crime should be held responsible. By having tougher and longer jail sentences for that individual, crime would naturally be reduced. Also, give the criminal counselling.

No rocket science here. Simple problem, simple answer.

Yes, but please note that my original post said "The blame lies exclusively with the delinquent teens and their inept parents ..." so in fact, I agree with you 🙂 I added that the parrents of the minors should be liable for civil damages because the minors probably cannot be personally sued and probably have minimal assets.

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

But that would be all...logical and stuff, Ms. Valerie, and that's not how our legal system works over on this side of the pond. 😉

 

[MistressValerie1]

Sad but true ...

 

[kopfhorer1]

What Rick said.

...
(2) What do you expect when all the Yuppies from the 1980's thru the 1990's wanted to 'experience' childbirth and having a child, then, when they reach toddler and older, suddenly were clueless on how to be a good parent?

Kids as status symbols. A very, very negative trend from that era. As Andrei Codrescu remarked at the time, kids were something to put next to the VCR, the CD player and the personal computer (those things were high-priced yuppie accoutrements back in that day).

(3) What do you expect when TV, the movies, books, and the schools destroy the moral base that this country was based on? They have not been told right is right and wrong is wrong, but instead you base it on how you feel. Moral relativism has produced it's ultimate ugly offspring "AN AMORAL GENERATION." Note, I said AMORAL, not IMMORAL.
Laws? Who cares, Mummy and Dahddy's lawyers will get me off and who cares, now I'm as famous as Paris, at least for a week. They have been wrongly taught that "If it works, then it's true" rather than "If it's true, then it will work." If nothing is wrong, then there is nothing to stop them from doing anything they want to anyone they want. How many court cases have shown them now that this is true?

I'm going to digress just a bit here. Ever since I was in grade school, there was an understanding, an unwritten law if you will, that people who knew how to cheat, fool the teachers and bulls**t the principal and get away with it would become the most successful. Cliques of bullies exploited lax discipline and learned how to game the system. They ultimately became the school's real "disciplinarians".

Of course we were taught ethics, by our parents and teachers, and a lot of us got it. But most of us also knew instinctively that the unwritten law trumped all others, that amoral cheaters and bullies usually won, and won big, even if we ourselves refused to become cheaters or bullies. That ambient amorality has been hanging in the air like diesel smoke in nearly every part of American society except in those few places where people have refused to tolerate it. Just look at our business world, where Commandments 1 through 10 are "The Ends Justify The Means". Rules and laws just get in the way of "success". Even decent business operators must kowtow to the unwritten law to some degree.

ENOUGH!!!

Enough, indeed. I'm so glad that certain schools have finally instituted programs to nip bullying behavior in the bud. It's about time.

Digressing again - Are there such things as "bad seeds", people who will never be able to function in a decent manner.? Not that long ago, a pair of kids from a small town some distance from here decided to rip off a fireworks store. As they went to load their car, they were met by a sheriff's deputy. Now, any theif with half a brain would have dropped everything (very carefully in this case) and either surrendered or run away. Not these guys. They beat the deputy, shot him with his own gun and then ran over him several times with their car. And instead of fleeing, they went to see their friends to brag about what they'd just done. They are currently serving life sentences.

 

[Senshi1]

Digressing again - Are there such things as "bad seeds", people who will never be able to function in a decent manner.? Not that long ago, a pair of kids from a small town some distance from here decided to rip off a fireworks store. As they went to load their car, they were met by a sheriff's deputy. Now, any theif with half a brain would have dropped everything (very carefully in this case) and either surrendered or run away. Not these guys. They beat the deputy, shot him with his own gun and then ran over him several times with their car. And instead of fleeing, they went to see their friends to brag about what they'd just done. They are currently serving life sentences.

If they aren't 'bad seeds', then they're possibly the stupidest people alive. I know a lot of people say we have to sympathise with criminals, and in a lot of cases that's true, but really - in cases like this, can these people BE helped?

 

[cartoonhero]

Yes, but please note that my original post said "The blame lies exclusively with the delinquent teens and their inept parents ..." so in fact, I agree with you 🙂 I added that the parrents of the minors should be liable for civil damages because the minors probably cannot be personally sued and probably have minimal assets.

I understand 🙂

 

[BigNorm]

yes thank you for your update.

I don't understand how you can try them as adults though;yes they commited an adult offense but they thought like children or rather teens and that's exactly what they are. I do feel sorry for the girl but I want to give them a punishment that is fair and will teach them a lesson. I just don't think jail will teach them anything good.

how can you beat a girl 6 to 1 till she passes out, wake her up and beat her to unconsciencess again and NOT be tried as adults? these girls knew what they were doing, and were thinking as adults. very viscous animalistic behavior.

girl's lucky to be alive. this was premeditated and planned for, and as such, they should recieve the maximum penalty.

 

[Bashiku]

Tobi's friend would say this: "Kill them all, slay them all!" that was said for the vicious animals...