What DON'T you like about M/M tickling? (a discussion)

[tickler_n_black]

Here is a thread dedicated to a specific subject.
Let's try and find out exactly WHY many people do not like M/M tickling clips.
There has to be reasons why many feel this way.
Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Give your input, but be civil about it.
Don't insult or name call. Just calmly explain yourself.

NOTE: This thread is intended ONLY for people who DO NOT like M/M tickling, and is a place for them to dig deep down and tell us why.

I think many of us can learn something from such a discussion.

Thanks.

 

[leeboy]

It's another microcosm of society. I'm a single, heterosexual male. I'm not a homophobe. I have friends and co-workers who are gay and that is fine. It is not my cup of tea however and I don't care to see or hear about their lifestyle. I look at tickling the same way I look at dancing. I can go to a club or a wedding and dance with a woman and not need it to lead to sex, not even think about it leading to sex or even wanting it to lead to sex (but sometimes it would be nice if it did !). I can dance just for the fun of dancing, however I would NEVER dance with a man. Tickling is the same way. I can tickle or be tickled just for the fun of tickling and not have it lead to sex (but sometimes it would be nice if it did !) But I would never tickle or be tickled by a man. Not my cup of tea.

 

[SemoreBellys]

Can we also include the topic of "Why is there not more f/m tickling out there"?

 

[andy2]

I was actually thinking about this the other day. Being a heterosexual male myself, I certainly don't care much for it. But sexuality preferences aside, I think that the male body is just not as appealing as the female body. Males commonly are very hairy and rough looking compared to females. The female body is very beautiful in appearance. It's shapes and curves fit so perfectly together where as a male figure is more broad and boxy shaped. Plus in the context of tickling, a females laughter is so pleasant to listen to. Even without tickling involved, its still quite serene. I may be a bit biased, but still, I think most people can somewhat agree

 

[maniactickler]

Well first of all, when i think of males, i think we are physically unappealing, smelly, dirty creatures. i personally wont even watch porn that has a male in it. even if theres a hundred gorgeous women in the video also. as far as the tickling part goes, i see men as dominant and in charge. to see a man, or especially two men being ticklied, just the thought makes me squeemish. its horribly unmasculine to see a man reduced to a giggling mess. i just see it as a weakness to our masculinity. thats my view on it.

 

[tickler_n_black]

Very interesting thoughts so far.
This thread will definitely shed light on things.

As for me, just a small sample of what I DON'T like about m/m ticking clips is the fact that many sites try to pass it off as not gay. In fact, some m/m tickling clip producers caption their tickling clips something like "Straight fireman gets cock and balls tickled and sucked by Mark."

... I mean Come on!!! Not one truly straight man is going to allow that to happen to him, let alone be filmed doing it.

So just one of the things that bothers me is the dishonestly of those kinds of clip descriptions. It's like the gay producer is trying to make straight men (or worse yet young teen boys) believe that other straight guys are into m/m sexual bondage... and we all know that straight men are NOT into it. This however, is just one small reason why I really can't stand m/m tickling. When they swear its not gay.

Proceed. More comments please.

 

[theshire]

I simply do not like seeing men tickled, full stop, and wouldn't do it physically either. In the same way I wouldn't look at anything which had a guy and a woman dominating him, giving him a handjob or anything like that.

I'm straight and only want to see women in that position, having stuff DONE TO them, never the other way around. To see men tickling each other to me would be like watching them have sex. Not hot.

 

[isabeau]

ok not to raise an issue here....but why is it necessarily considered gay? i mean i see females tickling females and yes making them orgasm..i don't see anyone yelling out that they are gay...what is the big difference? i myself wouldn't mind being tickled by females and having a vibrator or even a female go down on me as i'm being tickled...and i'm straight..

 

[theshire]

Good question...I have raised this issue before. Women seem much more comfortable with letting other women do things like tickle them and not feel remotely lesbianised. Guys simply can't do it, or hold hands or hug or any of those other things girls do with each other - makes us feel gay.

 

[SemoreBellys]

i think its aong the lines of how most people frown upon males being gay, but when you say those women are gay, its a turn on 😎

 

[isabeau]

i think its aong the lines of how most people frown upon males being gay, but when you say those women are gay, its a turn on 😎

i don't frown..i don't judge..

 

[BellaRisa]

Folks, whether or not it's gay is off topic, please get back to the subject

Bella

 

[saratk]

seeing a dude getting tickled just isn't a pleasant site. It just doesnt fit. It's not sexy at all to see a guy in that position, and their laugh isn't sexy at all like a girl's is, not only not sexy , but not pleasing to hear. It's just not a good thing in my oppinion, and I actually think there is too much /m in mainstream especially in cartoons and not enough /f

 

[drew70]

Traditionally for me, tickling has always been all about the Ler. The age or gender of the lee never mattered to me. I grew up around female ticklers. I was conditioned at an early age to associate tickling with female domination. So it's always been a little disturbing to see guys doing the tickling. As I entered the tickling community several years ago, I found my particular philosophy of tickling gender orientation to be in the vast minority. Most guys like being the Ler and focus on females as Lees. Imagine my disappointment. Still, I was able to find common ground with most of the guys by immersing in F/F tickling. The other guys had their female Lee getting tickled. I had my female Ler doing the tickling. Life is good.

Over the years, I've tried to broaden myself beyond strictly F/* tickling. If I could get the same enjoyment out of M/* tickling think of the possibilities that would open. To this end, I've been trying to develop my Ler side, mostly at NEST. Though it's not a passion of mine yet, I do experience some level of enjoyment doing it. Another thing I've tried is watching M/M clips. In the beginning, it was just gross. Not as bad as watching gay male sex, but leaning that way. Over time, revulsion relaxed into mere disinterest.

But I have to confess that I actually saw an M/M clip that...well...looked pretty good. I began to think...Okay, what does this mean?...Am I turning gay? Bi, perhaps? Will I be fudgepacking with the best of them and giving snarlins in the men's room at Union Station? Not likely. So I took a good look at what it was about this specific clip that I found enjoyable. What I discovered was that it wasn't the gender, or any of the physical attributes of either participant. It was the tickling. The delivery was superb, and the reactions were spectacular. I was able to disregard the gender and simply view the scene as a person tickling another person half to death, and it was cool.

That was just one clip though. The others still do nothing for me, and some I still find gross. But I hope that one day, I can reach a place where I'll enjoy tickling with any and all gender orientations.

 

[tickler_n_black]

Folks, whether or not it's gay is off topic,

Bella

That's not true at all.
Whether the participants are gay is very important to me, and I'd venture to say very important to many other guys who dislike m/m clips or pictures.

So please let us have our discussion without trying to direct it's course to your liking. We're not hurting anyone. This is our thread made just for the purpose of this discussion topic. You have your thread that you started. 🙂

 

[The_Raptor]

Well the bad thing about M/M tickling is close to the the bad thing about tickling sites and gatherings,having to be sexual!!!
why!!?
what happened to tickling only 4 fun!!!!
that makes me aware of the intention of anyone having a tickling situation with me i guess!

i hope gay guys don't take me wrong,
but i think most of "straight people" agree with me in loving tickling in mainstream way,meaning that everybody want to be normal and feel normal,
not isolated from normal life,that's provided they r straight k?....

so if M/M tickling became sexual behaviour it isn't appreciated 4 straight guys who represent the majority it is only normal for gays.
but if M/M tickling took a fun or playful side bet friends it is acceptable 4 straight people,except that believe it or not it's not so masculine thing 4 us guys to start a tickling situation and i agree with that because we guys have other ways to have fun between us than tickling,if we're having a playful group fight or other stuff and one guy started using tickling he surely r a weak one and be referred as sissy person.
so M/M tickling is regarded by guys as pillow fight between girls.
that's why unlikely F/M is way more popular and spreading in real life and in movies,tv,cartoons,....,etc and other media that r considered as mirror 4 mainstream.
and thx 4 understanding.

 

[BellaRisa]

That's not true at all.
Whether the participants are gay is very important to me, and I'd venture to say very important to many other guys who dislike m/m clips or pictures.

So please let us have our discussion without trying to direct it's course to your liking. We're not hurting anyone. This is our thread made just for the purpose of this discussion topic. You have your thread that you started. 🙂

Excuse me.

You began this thread to ask people who dislike m/m tickling why they feel that way. You did not start it to discuss whether m/m tickling is or isn't gay-that's veering off the main topic, otherwise known as thread-hijacking. If you feel it's gay that's fine, I have no issue with your stating such, but allowing the thread to go off the course you intended and degenerate into whether or not it's gay is something to be avoided. As a moderator I have the right to make such a call, and I did.

Bella

 

[tickler_n_black]

allowing the thread to go off the course you intended and degenerate into whether or not it's gay is something to be avoided. As a moderator I have the right to make such a call, and I did.

Bella

That is ridiculous.
I wanted people to tell me why they didn't like m/m tickling, and if they don't like m/m tickling because they feel it's gay then THAT is very on topic indeed! Couldn't be more on topic because that's the reason some dislike it.

What you're saying is that NO ONE on the TMF ever, can discuss whether m/m tickling seems gay to them? Look, I realize you don't want m/m tickling to ever be thought of as gay, but to many guys here that is exactly what it is to us. Even though you are a moderator, you have no right to tell everyone that they cannot mention the word gay or speak about gay tickling on this forum. That goes way beyond moderating, and more into personal agenda.
That, my dear, is just getting way to involved in every conversation, to the point of it becoming a robotic thread, (only can say the things YOU agree with).

It's obvious that this issue is very personal to you and you want to keep all threads agreeing with YOUR personal feelings, but as a moderator you really shouldn't be doing that.

We are talking very calmly and civil on this thread and so you're knitpicking at every little thing. Relax and let the conversation flow. We've already had some great responses that tell a lot about how some of the guys feel. Isn't that what discussion is for? To communicate?

With all due respect Bella,

🙂
TIB

 

[BellaRisa]

This is indeed ridiculous. You're not reading what I'm saying.

Post in this thread all you like about feeling that M/M tickling is gay. I do not care and I'm not trying to stop you. You have every right to do so. My intent is to keep the thread *on course*, no more no less. You have the right to say it's gay without someone steering the conversation to whether or not it's gay, especially someone who is a fan when you specifically asked those folks not to post. That's off the topic of *this* thread, you shouldn't have to defend your opinions here. I'm trying to help, TIB. Try being appreciative of that.

Bella

 

[LindyHopper]

Over the years, I've tried to broaden myself beyond strictly F/* tickling. If I could get the same enjoyment out of M/* tickling think of the possibilities that would open. To this end, I've been trying to develop my Ler side, mostly at NEST. Though it's not a passion of mine yet, I do experience some level of enjoyment doing it. Another thing I've tried is watching M/M clips. In the beginning, it was just gross. Not as bad as watching gay male sex, but leaning that way. Over time, revulsion relaxed into mere disinterest.

But I have to confess that I actually saw an M/M clip that...well...looked pretty good. I began to think...Okay, what does this mean?...Am I turning gay? Bi, perhaps? Will I be fudgepacking with the best of them and giving snarlins in the men's room at Union Station? Not likely. So I took a good look at what it was about this specific clip that I found enjoyable. What I discovered was that it wasn't the gender, or any of the physical attributes of either participant. It was the tickling. The delivery was superb, and the reactions were spectacular. I was able to disregard the gender and simply view the scene as a person tickling another person half to death, and it was cool.

That was just one clip though. The others still do nothing for me, and some I still find gross. But I hope that one day, I can reach a place where I'll enjoy tickling with any and all gender orientations.

Well spoken, drew. 🙂 Would that everyone could at least try to open their minds to something they don't think they'll like.

I used to only be into M/F tickling, whether in clips or in real life. When a friend asked me why, my simple answer was, "I'm a 'lee, and I'm straight." It didn't matter if the tickling was actually going to a sexual place or not, I just didn't get anything out of same-sex tickling. The energy just never felt right to me.

I had an experience a gathering a while back that changed my perspective. A female tickler was participating in a group scene where I was the 'lee (I have an autographed sippy cup to show for it, for any of you who were there ). And I just have to say, she ran that scene! She was leading the guys in just how to torture me. We'd never played before, but she knew just where and how to tickle me. I guess that's what happens when you both have a female body. 😀

Okay, that was a long digression (but I hope it was at least fun to read! ). My point is, my mind had been closed to enjoying F/F tickling because I'm straight. After allowing myself some new experiences, I've found I can appreciate good tickling done by women. Similarly, I think many men can't enjoy M/M tickling because their sexual orientation gets in the way, creating a gut feeling of revulsion that overpowers anything else. And I think that's really too bad.

And to ensure that I stay on the topic of why I don't like M/M: it's still not my favorite, because I need to be able to relate to the 'lee, and it's harder for me to relate to a man. That's all.

 

[tickler_n_black]

Some facts about me that maybe some of you don't understand:

1) I'm NOT against people enjoying m/m tickling clips.

2) I'm NOT out to stop m/m tickling clips from being seen.

3) I have seen and even produced plenty of F/M tickling clips so I'm not against a guy tickled while tied up. Not at all.

4) I will NOT pretend that most every m/m tickling clip isn't produced by gay producers and star completely gay men in them. Is it there perogative to do so? And your perogative to watch them if you want? Sure. No problem. But don't ask me to pretend they are straight guys "having a good time."

🙂

 

[tickler_n_black]

Sigh.
After stepping back and looking at everything, I believe I'll dis-engage myself from the m/m subject on the current threads going around. I originally thought this thread might enlighten us all, but seems that it's a very strong issue with many folks for one side or the other, including myself.

We are a small community worldwide as far as fetishes go, so as has been stated before by others and myself, we shouldn't further divide and argue amongst ourselves.

Although to be honest I don't believe that the m/m tickling fetish is in the same category as f/f tickling fetish. I think they are two very different fetishes (as different as spanking vrs smoking fetishes). And THATS the reason I think there is such high emotions when discussing such things. I don't think they can realistically be grouped into one universal "tickling fetish" category. They are very different in nature.

But alas, I digress.
I'll shut up now.

🙂

Good day to ya,
TIB

 

[BellaRisa]

But alas, I digress.
I'll shut up now.

🙂

Good day to ya,
TIB

Thank you. And thank you for the apology you sent me, it was appreciated.

Bella

 

[leeboy]

To respond to Isabeau's comment on womwn tickling women deemed more acceptable, I again use my dancing comparison. In our society women can dance with womed but men can't dance with men. Now I'm not saying it's right or wrong and I didn't make up the rule. It's just the way it is. I also agree with the point about a woman laughter ! I love to hear a woman laugh.

 

[DannyMc]

First off I'm male and like only females , I don't enjoy watching men tickling men , but I can understand that there are men that would in that case enjoy it , to each their own. I can see some women enjoying it because there's only males'.....Females only wanting to see men ......men only wanting to see women ,it seems it can go both way's for the different genders . For the ler/lee part of tickling , one can be both ways or just find pleasure in the giving part or just in the receiving part . I myself like both , to me it's not really a dominance issue , both her and I will enjoy it . As for watching males getting tickled by females , well , I wish it was me getting tickled........