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What was God thinking?

If it is then someone in Hollywood damn well owes me merchandising rights...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is... atleast "roughly" anyway. Constantine involves "half-angels" who are used to break the rules. 😛

And I just realised, PurpleStyle is a good example of the "Anti-Theist" people that I was on about. 😛
 
hmm faith isn't really about not understanding, at least to me..it's not needing to understand..knowing in your heart..
 
Too bad the heart doesn't have any neurons or synaptic activity! Then you could actually "know things" in your heart.

No, you see, a few hundred years ago, people had faith that the Earth was flat. People had faith that the sun and planets revolved around the Earth. People also seem to still have faith that the Earth is 6,000 years old (blargh) and antibiotics are the devil (blargh again). So was that understanding in their heart? No, that was them being completely ignorant of how the world actually works.

I will say this though - when you have an understanding of how the world actually works, the big picture of the universe actually becomes far more wondrous and beautiful than when viewed through the blurry and narrow lens of faith. 😉
 
No, you see, a few hundred years ago, people had faith that the Earth was flat. People had faith that the sun and planets revolved around the Earth. People also seem to still have faith that the Earth is 6,000 years old (blargh) and antibiotics are the devil (blargh again).

I wouldn't say that's so much "faith", I'd say that's bog-standard "believing".
 
No, they "knew" the Earth was flat. They knew it in their hearts! They knew, in their hearts, that sea monsters lived beyond the four corners of the Earth and would eat ships! :lol

Like I've always said. When you don't know what the hell you're talking about, just have a little faith that you're not a complete fool. It helps if you plug your ears and scream LALALA NOT LISTENING! too.
 
Well, You've done it. I have to speak now. Bum. ^_^. Anywho, I have faith in God, and don't deny that he exists, because when you look at the universe, then Earth, then people, the incredible beings that we are, It just takes too much faith to believe it happened by chance. And then, to see how humans promise to be good, then lie, apologize, and lie again, all while promising to stop...It's interesting. No matter how bad we want to be good, we keep messing up. There must be a reason for that. I found something with reason, as well as evidence to back up it's claims. The evidence is there, that supports Christianity. You just have to look. Anywho, That is all. Carry on.
 
Well, you've done it. I have to bring you back to reality now. First of all, your little "humans are bad, mm'kay" speech isn't really evidence for christianity, or anything. The reason it happens is because humans are imperfect creatures that you try to fit into your perfect happy little world view where god watches over us. Humans get sick, they get mental disease - some don't even develop properly; physically or mentally. Sociopathic behavior and stupidity are not evidence for christianity. It is however, evidence that you have no argument.

But let's move beyond such small-minded notions. Let's move beyond this planet. Do you have any idea how massive the universe is? Massive isn't even the right word. Massive is too small of a word. Hell, massive is too small of a word for our solar system. The Earth is "massive".

Here's some perspective. When viewed from beyond the orbit of Pluto(roughly 3.7 billion miles away), the Earth is a pale blue dot suspended in a sun beam. But let's get closer to that. Let's try Mars. When Mars is as it's furthest from Earth, the distance between them is 250 million miles. At their closest, 36 million miles. Now, without going into details about how or why this works, the trip by rocket would take 260 days, ± 10 days. Do you know what that would do to the human body? First of all, if there was an accident and you were exposed to hard vacuum, the following would happen. All of the gases in your body (primarily oxygen) would be ripped out from you; an experience I'm told feels like one's "blood is boiling". After about 10 seconds, the deoxygenated blood would hit your brain and make you black out. Assuming you were left in that state, death would follow quickly within 2 minutes.

Assuming no accident as such happened, and you were able to remain in space; you still would not have a pleasant journey. Muscle begins to atrophy all over your body, because you don't use them anymore. 1.5% bone loss occurs every month from lack of mechanical stress on bones. As a result of that bone loss, the extra calcium in your blood causes potential kidney stones and calcification of soft tissue. That's not the only unpleasant, severely-crippling effect; no - I haven't mentioned the radiation exposure yet. Unprotected by the earth's atmosphere, you receive 10x the normal dose of radiation. This could develop into immunodeficiency, or "god" knows what! Nobody is entirely sure of the long-term effects of exposure to cosmic rays from the sun, and the rest of the galaxy - you see, there's no medium in space to slow down radiation particles. So by the time these astronauts have made it to Mars, they're probably dead anyway. Forgot to mention the 1.6 years they would have to wait for the Earth and Mars to re-align before they could make another 260 day trip back. 🙂

Given that perspective, the solar system is a lonely, cold and dangerous place. What about our next door neighbor, the star Proxima Centauri? Proxima Centauri is relatively close; approximately 4.2 light years away. (Keep in mind that light travels 186,000 miles per second / 300,000 kilometers per second.) Meaning; at light speed, it would take 4.2 years of space travel to get there. Let's say we managed to propel the astronauts to Jupiter, and had them use it as a gravitational slingshot (yes, that maneuver is real, we've done it with the Galileo probe; at 106,000 MPH) in upwards of 150,000 MPH. Long story short; you're looking at a trip that's about 18,000 years, ± 100. Better start packing now, chief! 🙂

Of course, that's nothing compared to the vast 100,000 light year-long galaxy we live in. The nearest spiral galaxy to our own is the great Andromeda galaxy, about 2,500,000 light years away. That's peanuts however; as the edge of the observable universe is about 47,000,000,000 light years away.

So, when the galaxy you live in is a speck from the scope of the unfathomably large and dangerous universe; where do you fit a small-minded and personal god who cares for our well being - into the equation? The notion of such a thing makes me laugh.

TL;DR version:
There is no evidence of god. There is however, evidence that we live in a universe governed by physical laws that we can study. 🙂
 
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I'm only gonna say this, as I'm sure ill be greeted with vicious reproach; just let people have their faith okay? Some believe, some don't, you're all entitled to your personal sets of belief, its part of what's so grand about being human. But those of us who have found reason to believe in a higher power, don't rag on it alright?
 
I agree with Crusader...beautifully written...yes this thread has been going along pretty good for the most part..why can't we discuss our beliefs or non beliefs in a civilized manner?
 
Why can't we? Simple. Because those who have no faith in anything higher cannot stand the idea that someone else doesn't think like they do. They seem to take it as an insult to their absolutely knowledge that someone does not agree with them, and they cannot tolerate that.
 
Why can't we? Simple. Because those who have no faith in anything higher cannot stand the idea that someone else doesn't think like they do. They seem to take it as an insult to their absolutely knowledge that someone does not agree with them, and they cannot tolerate that.

And that's just sad...i have faith...but i can stand the idea that someone else doesn't and doesn't think like i do..
 
And that's fair enough yes, some people from both ends of the spectrum have been known to take things too far, either cramming religion or atheism down everyones throats, and that gives the rest of us (from either side) a bad name. As I said, everyone is entitled to their own sets of belief, so I'm not gonna shove mine down peoples throat and I'd prefer they not try an force theirs on me lol. That make sense? Now a decent exchange of ideas I'm always open to!
 
Ah, how amusing. Truth stings, don't it?

"Wah wah wah, leave my poor faith alone."
"I think it's sad that people won't stop cramming atheism down my throat."

Guess what boys and girls? If you don't like what I'm saying - then why the hell are you reading it? Is it perhaps that you find cold hard truth disturbing? As I recall, it isn't against the rules to state facts; especially as facts are not biased attacks against people. So I suggest you take it up with somebody who cares enough to read your protests. 🙂
 
Ah, how amusing. Truth stings, don't it?

"Wah wah wah, leave my poor faith alone."
"I think it's sad that people won't stop cramming atheism down my throat."

Guess what boys and girls? If you don't like what I'm saying - then why the hell are you reading it? Is it perhaps that you find cold hard truth disturbing? As I recall, it isn't against the rules to state facts; especially as facts are not biased attacks against people. So I suggest you take it up with somebody who cares enough to read your protests. 🙂

Firstly, clearly YOU are reading our protests or you wouldn't have felt the need to reply. Second, I really don't wanna get into this with you alright? You've got more facts then a science text book and yes I'm sure you're a very intelligent individual, but c'mon dude, let's not get into what the mods have called a flame war. Btw Bob, I wanna bring up something you said on page one and that is; cosmic jewish zombie. C'MON! How could you NOT believe in a cosmic jewish zombie lol? Just SAYING it is fun! Seriously, say it outloud to yourself, what part of that doesn't sound cool lol? XD
 
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Purple, I think I've mentioned this before... no one has a problem with the content in your arguments. I agree with most, if not all, of what you've said. The issue people are having with what you're writing, including us Mods, is how you make each of your rants a personal attack on those with beliefs. The whole "branding them fools" and the extreme sarcasm you include in all your rants is just too much. The content, spot on. The approach you use to express them, unacceptable. So tame the posts down otherwise you'll find more and more of your posts being deleted.
 
Let me say for the record that i've never pushed my beliefs down anyone's throat..*shrugs*...
 
Let me say for the record that i've never pushed my beliefs down anyone's throat..*shrugs*...

LIES!!! You told me you were 21! But you're actually 24, aren't you!! 😛
 
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