Which is worse, hysteria or the edge of hysteria?

[TMF Jeff]

This came up in conversation last night, and I'd like to hear what the various and motley lee's of the forum think is worse torture.

There comes a point when a very ticklish person is mostly past their ability to talk. They're laughing so hard and so constantly that whatever attention they can manage to pull away from their bodies is spent trying to get enough air. And it seems to me, and people who've been there have said, that there's not a lot of real thinking going on in there, because everything is too immediate.

But there's a point when someone is being tickled where they're sort of on the verge of that point, but they're still mostly coherent; they can talk, but they're obviously in some kind of laughing panic, trying to cling to their ability to communicate with the ler before it's too late.

And it seems to me that that has to be way worse... hanging on by the tips of your fingernails, seeing the drop open up beneath you, and knowing that you're going to fall.

But what the hell do I know? What do those of you who've been there think; is it worse when you're completely gone, or is it worse to see that moment coming fast upon you?

 

[sasaxrah]

I still never know exactly when I'm going to cross that threshold from near hysteria to hysteria. For me, it's very unlike orgasming when you know there's a point of no return, and know what it feels like to reach that point. I'm in denial about it until it actually happens because I'm usually thinking "it can't get worse than this, this is really awful."

Haha, I'm not totally sure where I'm going with all of this. But because it's still unclear to me in the moment that I'm going to ever reach hysteria, I think hysteria is worse. I'm much more desperate and it's much harder to breathe.

 

[DimpleToes]

hysteria is a bad place.. the point of no return. I have been there a few times when I was tied up.. it is maddening and fun at the same point. it is when you will chew off your own arm to get away from the torment.

 

[BellaRisa]

Hysteria is mindless and blissful. The edge of hysteria is way worse. It's the moment when I'd give anything to be a total submissive rather than a switch, because while my submissive side is ready to fall off the cliff into madness and just let the insanity flow over me, my dominant/defiant side is convinced I can still get away, I can still control my reactions, he's not even that great a 'Ler and this wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't such a ticklish little wuss...frankly my dominant side is no damn good

 

[girlboundforfun]

hysteria is a bad place.. the point of no return. I have been there a few times when I was tied up.. it is maddening and fun at the same point. it is when you will chew off your own arm to get away from the torment.

I agree with this, but being right on that edge is rough too.

 

[DimpleToes]

I agree with this, but being right on that edge is rough too.

I know.. that is why I will only play with freinds. Never someone I just meet or dont know. Safety first.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I both love and hate dancing on that edge. But, it's far more love than hate if I'm comfortable enough with the ler. There's always an inner battle going on. I want it to stop. But, I also want it to continue. There's something about that inner turmoil that I really like.

Once I'm over that edge, I'm too far gone to continue enjoying it and really do want it to stop...esp. since it's at that point that I also lose all ability to reground myself and avoid a nasty flashback. So, for me, that's far worse. I'm most definately a lee but just as definately not a masochist.

My favorite tickling experiences have been those where the ler is paying enough attention to leave me dangling for extended preiods of time without allowing me to slip over the edge.

 

[venray]

Hysteria is mindless and blissful. The edge of hysteria is way worse. It's the moment when I'd give anything to be a total submissive rather than a switch, because while my submissive side is ready to fall off the cliff into madness and just let the insanity flow over me, my dominant/defiant side is convinced I can still get away, I can still control my reactions, he's not even that great a 'Ler and this wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't such a ticklish little wuss...frankly my dominant side is no damn good

This sums it up nicely....

Once over that edge all is right with the world......just before that its a fight for control scenario...

 

[CMartin]

I agree with Bella and Venray....

The edge is much worse...you never know how "hard" the fall off the cliff is gonna be until it happens.... 😛

Or something to that effect, anyway.....

 

[DimpleToes]

i am sure lots of ppl will be on the edge at nest.. I wil be standing in the safe corner with the camera filming the tickling videos.. yeah that sounds safe. I am such a woose.

 

[chicago]

Yeah, the hysteria part doesn't have much thought to it. Your body is kind of just doing its own thing and there's nothing you can do.

So I make sure to get in as many right hooks as I can before I'm completely out of control. 🙂

It's hard to explain, though. Because I'm not actually scared. I mean, its not like I'm going to die or anything, but there is a kind of "Oh shit, here it comes," panic that one has before they're about to go over the biggest drop of the biggest roller coaster ever.

And I love roller coasters! Ha.

 

[RavenMoon]

For me, the hysteria is the easier place to be. You've lost all control and you are now governed by your bodily needs only. Being on that edge is rougher for many reasons. Part of it is that your mind and body are fighting each other in a sense. The other part of is that the submissive in me desires that absolute loss of control that I can experience once I am over that edge.

Good mind poker!

 

[Miss Serendipity]

Hmm good question.

I haven't had a whole lot of experience but in my opinion the edge of hysteria is WAY WORSE! I think they are both pretty bad but with hysteria at least you know it can't get any worse. where as the edge of your breaking point, you just know its going to be hell.

 

[BrightEyes1082]

I know this wasn't one of the options, but for me the post-hysteria
is the worst. I go into hysteria pretty quickly, unfortunately. So much
of our play is one big mindfuck for me. I spend the entire time basically
incoherent. But then when it's all over, I'm usually sobbing, confused,
somewhat indignant, and very abused. But that's where good aftercare
comes in. It makes all those scary things go away. 🙂
(note I did not say bad things - but scary things)

 

[tklee88]

I don't think I've been taken to that point of hysteria yet, but I know that panicky feeling you get...and that's usually when I blubber my safeword... 😛

 

[♡AimLEE♡]

I dunno ... I'm not ticklish! 😛

 

[Korastus]

I'm not sure I've been there yet, but I certainly hope to. :O

 

[-Hari-]

And it seems to me that that has to be way worse... hanging on by the tips of your fingernails, seeing the drop open up beneath you, and knowing that you're going to fall.

Dude, I LOVE that moment, its where I start foolishly looking around for a way out, I look at my bonds to see if theyre randomely coming loose or something, il check my wrists and ankles are still attached to the rest of me...il even look at the window and picture myself jumping thru it, il look at the table for things I would use to free myself if I were able to get to them 😛 its pure desperation, and then comes the realisation that there really is no way out of it and then some sort of bliss happens and then...I forget actually...

TBH, I couldnt tell you which is worse cause I dont really remember what its like past that point of desperate madness.....

 

[-Hari-]

I dunno ... I'm not ticklish! 😛

Bless 😛

 

[RavenMoon]

I know this wasn't one of the options, but for me the post-hysteria
is the worst. I go into hysteria pretty quickly, unfortunately. So much
of our play is one big mindfuck for me. I spend the entire time basically
incoherent. But then when it's all over, I'm usually sobbing, confused,
somewhat indignant, and very abused. But that's where good aftercare
comes in. It makes all those scary things go away. 🙂
(note I did not say bad things - but scary things)

ICK!!! Sub drop! I can soo do without that. It is a different loss of control for me is why. While I don't have the senses about me to realize I have lost the control when I am in that state of hysteria or in sub space, in sub drop, my senses are returning so I am aware of my inability to control my emotions at that moment. Which only makes my emotions swing harder.

Good after care is so important. The groups I attend gatherings of are lucky in having a number of individuals who really get it. I have learned over my years in BDSM that it is my responsibility when I sub/bottom/'lee to make certain to ask for it if I don't feel I am getting it. Since my Love has been with me, he has learned as well the need to provide it.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I have never been able to understand what goes in the mind of a lee but this provides a wonderful insight.

Verrry interesting...

 

[Spot_Lady]

The edge is far worse

The edge equals knowing that your mind is going to explode. Hysteria equals your mind already having exploded, and I for one am gone...lost, just a bundle of nerve endings. Wait maybe that's worse!

 

[P_Bustleton]

It's been a very, very long time since I've been tickled to hysteria. Hope that will change soon - then I can give a good answer to this question. 🙂

 

[JS805]

I think people find it appealing to say that the "edge" is worse. However, when you're put in the situation, and experience it first hand, the hysteria is worse. Looking back on it you might forget how bad the hysteria actually is. It's easy to say "oh it was nothing...my body just took over and I was mindless." Try putting yourself in hysteria after reading this topic and I think you'll remember VERY quickly just how excruciating it is.