Who is more macho? M/f or F/m

[pwrtroc4]

OK, Maybe macho isn't the right word. And I don't want to start anything smacking of "my kink is ok and yours is not." but having posted an earlier thread detailing my life-long F/m dream coming true (and I'm talking since around 4 or 5 years old, long before I even knew what sex was) I can for the first time communicate with like minded people here. Sorta.
First off, I am in no way a homophobe so please don't even bring that up, but I've always wondered if others here whose interest lies elsewhere view F/m fans as a weaker subset? It's just that since I've had these fantasy's bopping around in my skull for some odd 35 years, I've felt that revealing them would expose myself as being a weak individual.
I mean there is a difference in not only the obvious physical attributes between the sex's, but also what is inherent in each. Images of being at the mercy of one or three females flips a switch in my brain. and I know that it is because of those inherent differences that causes the turn on. A strong male should not be helpless in front of a fair, weak female
I believe that if this side of my life was revealed it would surprise many who know me. I'm pretty much a take charge person in my outside life, who doesnt take shit from anybody, who manages other people and takes risks, and is a pretty outgoing person.
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense here. Just interested if anybody out there has any thoughts.
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[maniactickler]

I get embarrassed if i see a man getting tickled by a woman. i just see a man as the dominant figure. to see him reduced to a screaming, begging mess just doesnt seem right.

 

[Mastertank1]

If you can even ask that question....

you either will not or can not understand the answer.
Good luck.

 

[darvon96]

Tickling, at the very least, is a great equalizer between the sexes. It has a tendency to overcome the most macho or the bitchiest attitudes in intimate circumstances between partners. As long as both benefit from the experience, I don’t think it really matters who’s on the giving or receiving end.

 

[bttf4444]

All of my stories involve a male lee. Six of them involve a female ler - and four a male ler. I guess I really like Michael J Fox as a lee. 🙂

 

[cloudgazer2k]

i have no issues, whatsoever, with being a 'lee. as i have told many of the women i have met that are into this sort of thing, i will give as well as recieve. and though i don't always go for the f/m vids and whatnot, i do sometimes take a gander to see just what kind of hell a well-educated female 'ler is putting her male victim through (priscilla jame's vampire thing was totally hot!).
i don't see it as a loss of machismo or anything should a guy let another person tie him up and tickle the hell outta him. i view it as more of a positive thing when he allows another to inflict such torment upon him. it says to me that the poor bastard can take what he dishes out, and is more than likely enjoying what he's being put through more than if he were doing the tickling. i know that i certainly enjoy it just as much, if not more, when another woman has me either pinned or tied and is tickling me relentlessly.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

Well I can't say with all truthfulness I understand the attraction of f/m tickling. Maybe it has to do with allowing a woman to be on top during sex, I don't know.

I will say though , I don't think it makes a man less of a man..however I do agree with maniac. I wouldn't be comfortable with seeing a guy saying to his girlfriend.."we are not going to the movies tonigh...teeheeteehee. stop that." But then again, I may have issues.

 

[toneus79]

Well lets put it like this. I am a male lee, and have no problem being submissive to a dominant woman (not just tickling), provided she is a good person and not a man hater. I can't be submissive to a man however in any walk of life, whether that be work, sports, or anything really (i.e. its amazing how some so called macho men, are submissive to their boss at work).

In the early days of the TMF, there used to be a pathetic debate going on implying that men into F/M tickling must be gay (moronically stupid debate of course as obviously a gay man would be into M/M tickling). I assumed we had all moved past that.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I can't be submissive to a man however in any walk of life, whether that be work, sports, or anything really (i.e. its amazing how some so called macho men, are submissive to their boss at work).

Some of us don't have a choice..we need to pay rent and eat. I would ask my boss to step down for a woman but I doubt he do that. He owns the company and looking for a job that hire only woman bosses would be kind of ridiculous. IF you like taking orders from a woman..more power to you.

Ive worked for both men and women.

 

[Goodieluver]

There is nothing homophobic about someone not being interested in f\m and they are m and i dont see why that is a fear of anyone who is not into f\m in discussions

 

[lk70]

I absolutely don't think that a man into F/M is weak in anyway.

They may very well be weak, of course, as may a guy who's into M/F, but it has nothing to do with their tickling preferences.

I think. 🙂

 

[siamese dream]

I'm into being both the lee and ler myself, so I can understand both interests (m/f and f/m) and I like both kinds of stories. However I will say there is something much more appealing to me about a guy who is into being tickled by a woman, than one who doesn't enjoy it.

 

[toyou444]

I personally love the F/M stuff as well. In fact I just posted a story on me getting tickled Sunday by two women. I do not think that makes me weak or any more different thatn anyone else.

To each their own I always say! There's enough to go around for everybody here!

~ toyou

 

[solleticoso71]

I think...

simply that females are often more skilled ticklers than males🙂
Isn't true?🙂

Hi at all.
Emil

 

[The_Raptor]

OK, Maybe macho isn't the right word. And I don't want to start anything smacking of "my kink is ok and yours is not." but having posted an earlier thread detailing my life-long F/m dream coming true (and I'm talking since around 4 or 5 years old, long before I even knew what sex was) I can for the first time communicate with like minded people here. Sorta.
First off, I am in no way a homophobe so please don't even bring that up, but I've always wondered if others here whose interest lies elsewhere view F/m fans as a weaker subset? It's just that since I've had these fantasy's bopping around in my skull for some odd 35 years, I've felt that revealing them would expose myself as being a weak individual.
I mean there is a difference in not only the obvious physical attributes between the sex's, but also what is inherent in each. Images of being at the mercy of one or three females flips a switch in my brain. and I know that it is because of those inherent differences that causes the turn on. A strong male should not be helpless in front of a fair, weak female
I believe that if this side of my life was revealed it would surprise many who know me. I'm pretty much a take charge person in my outside life, who doesnt take shit from anybody, who manages other people and takes risks, and is a pretty outgoing person.
I'm not sure if I'm making any sense here. Just interested if anybody out there has any thoughts.

man it's tickling it's FUN,it has nothing to do with masculinity,being weak,submissive,blah blah blah.
some people here are just mixing the stuff of being dominant sex and having tickling fun dunno WHY!?
i've never had those thoughts about being weak or something that doesn't make sense at all,
in fact in "REAL LIFE" most tickling situations or scenarious is either F/F or F/M,watch youtube and other mainstream sites as a proof,
and 1 of the reasons that i'm not a a fan of M/F stuff,because actually i think in real world usually the gals r the ones that refer to tickling and other playful techniques,not guys,and they're the one who start the tickling,on the other side u haven't made ur self ticklish so being ticklish won't be ur choice!! i'm a totally a ticklee i've had the same fantasies like u pal since i was freakin little child(4,5 years long before i knew sex) uptill now so i'm sure my fetish is natural and not because of external things that affected me,i didn't have one single M/F imagination,i've found out that some of my close friends who share the same F/M fanasy with me,how could u explain that?
provided that in my whole reallife 90% of the tickling situations i saw or participated into r F/M,actually i've seen many girls who luv to tickle people and i've seen very few guys who use tickling as a sign that they r out of control!!!
i'm totally straight,and my friends call me the bulldozer and other names cause they know they've had no chance with me when it's about wrestling situations i can bind 2 of 'em with my barehands(also i'm on my way in the next few years to become a boxing champion)
but when someone starts tickling,i totally lose control of my power and strength!!!!how could u explain that also?!!!
so when a woman tickles u she doesn't overpower ya, she's not hitting ya and ur not in a wrestling match or a fighting situation,look to it as it's just playful fun or weak points both men and women have.
and so i think that most people here on the forum don't view F/M fans as a weaker subset,it's just the matreials and that we guys overnumber females on the forum,so enjoy ur tickling fantasies here and everywhere man!,and everybody enjoy there preference without wandering about others preference,just have fun people!!!

 

[DannyMc]

As I see it "ler" is mental stimulation and "lee" is mental and physical stimulation , the best of both worlds . Take the macho out and your left with enjoyment , that is if you can take being tickled .......... A woman can say , lets see how macho you are , how much tickling can you take ? It seems macho has more than one way to be seen .

 

[chrisheaven]

love both m/f and f/m

 

[bttf4444]

I guess Michael J Fox doesn't really strike me as ever being a real manly man. He's also had that boyish look with a very sweet and gentle personality - and he's pretty short, too. So I could easily imagine him being ticklish.

BTW, to me, this is a good thing! That's why I'm attracted to Michael J Fox, in fact. Men who act real macho and feel the need to prove their manliness tend to turn me off.

 

[isabeau]

Have any of you witnessed TickledToDeath being tickled?? and he definitely isn't a submissive type..I see nothing wrong with either/or..it's not a matter of which is more macho..It's all about seeing a big strapping male being tickled like crazy..

hm now if only TTD would break damn it..

 

[drew70]

As a child in the 1960s, television, school, and society basically taught me that boys were strong, and girls are weak, and I believed it. As an adult, I learned better, but as a child, that was what I believed. Though I was glad to be on the "strong" side, it seemed a little unfair that girls were weaker than boys.

When my older sisters would babysit, and we'd misbehave, they would try to use physical force. When that failed, they would control us by tickling us into submission. I surmised that God gave girls tickling skills, to even out the imbalance of strength between the genders.

For most of my life, I've regarded the act of tickling as an intrinsically feminine one. So if anything, I viewed m/f tickling as weaker, and by a pretty large margin. After all, to use a woman's weapon against her, in addition to the existing excess of strength, well that seemed to me the ultimate cowardice.

When I became a member of the online tickling community about 10 years ago, I realized that most of the community favored m/f over f/m. There were very few of us guys willing to admit a love of being tickle tortured by females. We were called "fags" if you can believe it, not that I had any difficulty handling such would be detractors. I'm sure that's part of why I tend to be somewhat combative in forums today.

Over the last 10 years, through exposure to the community, I've radically softened my views on m/f tickling, to where I can participate in it and enjoy it. My goal is to embrace tickling of all gender orientations.

Now days, f/m is almost as universally accepted as m/f. You now have major tickling video companies producing some f/m material whereas before, the only source was ***********. You have guys at gatherings willingly submitting to being tickle tortured by the ladies. You see more instances of guys expressing a desire to be tickled here at the TMF.

Is f/m less macho than m/f? In my opinion, no. It takes a real man to be able to put himself on the line...or in this case...on the rack.

 

[bttf4444]

Maybe we need to think of what a 'real man' really is. We could say that Michael J Fox is a 'real man' - because he is strong and tender at the same time. He is also very sweet and kind and tries to be as non-confrontational as possible. He very rarely loses his temper or gets into a fight. When he was acting in Family Ties, he always shared the spotlight with his co-stars. He never tried to lord his 'superstar' status over everyone else. In fact, one of his weaknesses is maybe that he didn't say 'no' enough. He may be a bit hard to contact, but he's always been very approachable with the fans he would meet. So he maintains a good balance between strength and tenderness.

 

[Iggy pop]

I don't think machoness has anything to do with it.

 

[tickleboynyc]

what's sexier than being tickled by a sexy woman?
give in...dare to be vulnerable...see what a turn on it can be for the both of you.
women love a man who's so self assured that he can be lee or ler, submissive or dominant.

 

[indivision]

f/m is not weak. In fact, I think it is one of the more appealing types of tickling.

When I first got Internet access back in 1996 and started fishing around the search engines just to see if there might be anything on tickling, I was surprised the most of the material depicted either men tickling women, or--much more common--women tickling other women. I had full hopes of finding good f/m stuff, but it was a while before I was able to find any of that, and even then, it was pretty skimpy in amount. Though, around 1997, a website showed up that was titled "Women Tickling Men," and it contained a good amount of stories, cartoons, pictures, etc. depicting f/m scenes.

I'm a little surprised that more women don't seem to be interested in tickling men. One time, either on this message board or on TT, a girl said that, when being the 'ler, she preferred tickling women because it just wouldn't seem right for her to tickle a big man. Now, she and other women are entitled to their preferences, but as a guy trying to put myself in a woman's position, I would think that most women would welcome the chance to tickle a guy. I would think that it would be a power trip to reduce him into a giggling, squirming, begging mass. But then again, I'm not a woman, so I can only try to imagine what they think.