Why are women so concerned about a guy being "fun" and "exciting" when that's not how

[xionking]

Dear Diary,

Why don't girls like me? I'm quite impressive at playing Counterstrike, I just don't understand.


Dear Diary,

I turned down sex tonight. Instead, I offered to eat dinner with her if she'd cook. I believe we match well, and I'm good company. Her with her bedmaking skills, me with my Street Fighter skills.


Dear Diary,

What's the deal with sex anyway?


Dear Diary,

She don't know me! I'm a well-rounded individual. If she doesn't want to accept me for who I am, then she can go and find some other guy who's willing to offer her nothing.


-Xionking

 

[Mephistopheles]

http://www.laddertheory.com/

Read it. It will answer most of your questions.

As for me, before I settled down a bit I managed to persuade quite a few women to experience the wonderful joys of wild sex with no strings attached. Looks are important ofcourse but not as important as the impression you make when you meet them. Confidence, ambition and excitement are important because those traits tell them that you have very good genes. Wallowing in self-pity signals that you haven't got the guts to do something about your life and that basically means that your genes aren't good enough. Winners don't wallow in self-pity, winners don't wine and get their shit together. Everybody loves winners and so do women.

And when it comes to persuasive skills, you learn those things by trial and error. You need to recognise women that show interest in you at first glance. (and I must say, of all the nationalities i have had sex with, American women are the easiest to get) Once you recognise the look they give you (basically saying "share you glorious genes with me tonight") you're already halfway there. It doens't matter what you talk about next (what you do with your life and what kind of hobbies you have for instance) and after a while (depending on where you are, in a club you can kiss her if you feel it's alright, and take her home afterwards) ask her for her phone number, wait for a day (unwritten rule of how not to come across as being desperate) and give her a call, as her out to dinner and a movie at your house. Once you're watching the movie you need to sense if close physical contact is appreciated, and if it is start with a kiss and after a while of increasing passion, lift her off the couch and carry her into bed and have sex, or you can just do it on the couch. Worked fine for me every time.

So in all this there's alot of body language to be read. I suck at subtle hints but somehow I have a knack for this game. Another important thing when it comes to the hunt is that when going out to a club, women who are looking for a date always go in pairs. 3 or more mean that they're having a girls night out and you should always avoid such groups. Take a wingman with you and get out of your basement and you explore the wonderful world of the female anatomy. (and while you're at it, you can tickle them senseless while they're between your sheets)

So, what to do then?
-Get yourself together
-Set yourself some clear goals on what to achieve in life
-Stop whining
-Get a wingman
-Get out of the basement
-????
-Profit!

 

[Musicroxmysox]

Simple as this. One gets what they give out of life. If you give nothing you get nothing. You can whine all you want about it but that is a fact. Doing nothing produces nothing.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Sounds like you want any girlfriend of yours to be at best a trophy, at worst a slave. Girlfriends aren't a social status, they're someone special who you (ideally) connect with in an emotional, mental, and physical way.
If you feel unable to change your attitude, well, best of luck in the remainder of your very single life.

Well, let's just say a prostitute would do fine in such cases. Just pay a hundred bucks to tickle her and masturbate all over her feet, she won't ask for anything other than your money I guess.

 

[MasterPaladin]

ok here again I didn't read all the pages maybe I should have but it's a little hard to answer you I don't know where your from so here is what I have to say. Everything you think a woman wants that you mentioned in the op can be summed up in women like is for you to be a bit unpredictable and thats not so hard I'm sure you like a surprise once in a while and thats not so hard to do. example I came home one day very early from work had a little cash and told my girl lets go to Atlantic City and stay a night she was like are you kidding please stop dreaming. I told her I'm not kidding pack a damn bag and lets go in short she did we went there you have surprise spontaneous exciting and fun all rolled into one action. What follows does. You don't need to buy diamonds though it may get you the gold lmao. but for those of us who can't afford that hey there are other ways. There has got to be something you like thats fun for all not just you.

 

[Artoo]

Well, let's just say a prostitute would do fine in such cases. Just pay a hundred bucks to tickle her and masturbate all over her feet, she won't ask for anything other than your money I guess.

True, a prostitute would do fine in that case. But as the OP said, that's not all he wants - he wants the social status that having a hot girl on his arm brings, and he wants the comfort of someone who is devoted to him. That's fair enough; I would most certainly like those things as well. But to think that it's possible to get those things without giving a little is crazy.

Everything has it's price. Even getting girls who aren't hookers.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

lololol.

Shambles, stop trying to create drama in someone else's thread. You've proven yourself enough to be able to do that with your own threads.

Slacker, WINNNNNNNNZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as the thread OP; I think that it's been explained enough in many unique ways.

 

[TonyInMyThroat]

Anyone else get the feeling that Mr. NeoCon might just be trying to press a few buttons around here.

I hate it when people do that! 🙄

 

[Artoo]

Anyone else get the feeling that Mr. NeoCon might just be trying to press a few buttons around here.

I hate it when people do that! 🙄

It crossed my mind, it has to be said...
I'm okay with it.

 

[Tiger.Lily]

Or do some other members exist merely for our amusement?

Well, duh.

I not only don't think I have anything to offer a hot looking woman, I resent having to have anything to offer. I guess because I was spoiled and sheltered as a kid (I'm 35 now), I've always resented having to give something of value to get something of value back. But anyway, you've probably all heard people talk about some hot babe, with some "loser" and "what could she possibly see in him". I know I'm a loser: I'm fat, lazy (even though unfortunately I have to work to survive), selfish, have little interest in other people unless I need them for something. If I never had anywhere that I had to be, I would sleep 16 hours a day and spend the other 8 playing video games and surfing the internet. I have no ambition and no interest in participating in life in general.

Now, there are guys just like me, with the same attitudes as me, who have hot looking girlfriends who adore them. The girls cry and complain to their friends and family but when asked why they stay they say "because I love him". Like I said I would much rather tickle a woman's feet and then masturbate on them, than have sex with her. And I can pay women to let me do that. But I want to be able to say I have a girlfriend. I want to be able to say to co-workers "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that". I want a hot woman to be seen with. I want a girlfriend to fool around with, and to cook and clean for me and look pretty for me, take care of me.

As I said there are guys just like me, who think just like me, with nothing to offer a woman, who have hot girlfriends who do all this. I wish I knew what I need to do to be like them.

I...I just...I mean...*sputters* Okay. The nicest thing I can say to you is that you're never going to get a girlfriend. Give up. Cease your dreaming. T'ain't neva gonna happen. The best you can ever hope for is a hooker that isn't revolted by you and REALLY wants the cash.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I see a couple of problems with your thinking--

One, you seem to be under this impression that you don't need to be anything more then you are in your life. According to you--A girlfriend is here "to be with you" but you don't have "to be with her. " It's inevitable for you to be in a relationship with a girlfriend and not pay attention to her needs. She came with a life void of you just like you came with one void of her and you are going to have to be a part of that life if you want her to be with yours. It isn't just one sided or you may end up being also one of those guys that make her cry. If you want that then pick a road---if you are going to be selfish..be totally selfish (make her cry) or be a little giving of yourself (and be a part of her life too.) You can't have it both ways. Not in a normal relationship.

Two, how can you convince a woman that your life is "fun" even if it's a life spent inside with no adventure if you yourself downplay it and won't share it. I don't think you want a girlfriend...you want a slave. Someone that puts you on a pedestal without any reason other then You are YOU.

My suggestion, go to an alternative lifestyle. There are women that want nothing to do with but "serving" a man and his needs. They are called slaves or submissives but be aware that for one of them to commit herself to you....you are going to have to show her you will be there for her when she needs it. Either way, you have to give a bit of yourself no matter how much you hate it, otherwise you'll just make her cry too just like those guys you envy so much.

 

[Adam]

I not only don't think I have anything to offer a hot looking woman, I resent having to have anything to offer. I guess because I was spoiled and sheltered as a kid (I'm 35 now), I've always resented having to give something of value to get something of value back. But anyway, you've probably all heard people talk about some hot babe, with some "loser" and "what could she possibly see in him". I know I'm a loser: I'm fat, lazy (even though unfortunately I have to work to survive), selfish, have little interest in other people unless I need them for something. If I never had anywhere that I had to be, I would sleep 16 hours a day and spend the other 8 playing video games and surfing the internet. I have no ambition and no interest in participating in life in general.

Now, there are guys just like me, with the same attitudes as me, who have hot looking girlfriends who adore them. The girls cry and complain to their friends and family but when asked why they stay they say "because I love him". Like I said I would much rather tickle a woman's feet and then masturbate on them, than have sex with her. And I can pay women to let me do that. But I want to be able to say I have a girlfriend. I want to be able to say to co-workers "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that". I want a hot woman to be seen with. I want a girlfriend to fool around with, and to cook and clean for me and look pretty for me, take care of me.

As I said there are guys just like me, who think just like me, with nothing to offer a woman, who have hot girlfriends who do all this. I wish I knew what I need to do to be like them.

Well, I'll say this. I don't believe you'll ever find success with this line of thinking, but at least you're honest.

 

[Mz Chaos]

Fun and exciting is for young people, adult life isn't fun or exciting, and it should be as predictable as possible, to avoid anything bad happening. Real life is going to work, paying the bills, coming home and watching tv, eating dinner and going to sleep, then you do the same the next day.

If this is true... please never let me be an adult no matter how old I get!!!

This is why women get hurt so much by guys who seem "fun" and "exciting" but end up cheating on or abusing them. They have to realize they basically have 2 choices...a life of pain with a bad boy, or an unexciting but safe life with a nice guy.

I always thought I never wanted a "bad boy" and wanted a "nice guy."

But going by your definition, if it's the bad boy who will take me out to play miniature golf, bowling, river tubing, fishing, picnics, swimming, playing darts, swinging on playground swings, conversing, and having sex more than twice a year... then I suppose it's the bad boy I want.

Boredom will have me heading for the door as fast as I can make it there.

 

[lemoncake]

As I said there are guys just like me, who think just like me, with nothing to offer a woman, who have hot girlfriends who do all this. I wish I knew what I need to do to be like them.

If you are going to use her for all that she's worth than she should be able to do the same to you. That's the only way you are going to get a woman. Money talks, because honestly your personality does not. You need a lambo, or a ferrari to even have a girl put up with this kind of thinking. Then you need to take her on shopping sprees, buy her shoes (that you can later take off and masterbate on or whatever). I'm sure that you can find a mother, babysitter, psychologist, fetish provider, doormat of a woman. There's a soulmate out there for everyone.

 

[MrMacphisto]

What the hell happened to women whose only real goals in life were to be a wife and a mother?? And that was all they really cared about...they didn't care how "fun" or "exciting" he was, just that he was safe. Not that I want kids, I don't like kids they would inconvenience me and impose on my "me time" which I need a lot of.

No offense, mate, but I can see why you're a virgin.

It doesn't make much sense to seek out women that want to be a mother and then not want kids.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure if you actually get some experience, you'll find that women that only care about being a mother and wife are pretty boring. I'm not saying it's bad for a woman to be that way, but it's definitely not what I look for.

 

[MrMacphisto]

I see a couple of problems with your thinking--

One, you seem to be under this impression that you don't need to be anything more then you are in your life. According to you--A girlfriend is here "to be with you" but you don't have "to be with her. " It's inevitable for you to be in a relationship with a girlfriend and not pay attention to her needs. She came with a life void of you just like you came with one void of her and you are going to have to be a part of that life if you want her to be with yours. It isn't just one sided or you may end up being also one of those guys that make her cry. If you want that then pick a road---if you are going to be selfish..be totally selfish (make her cry) or be a little giving of yourself (and be a part of her life too.) You can't have it both ways. Not in a normal relationship.

Two, how can you convince a woman that your life is "fun" even if it's a life spent inside with no adventure if you yourself downplay it and won't share it. I don't think you want a girlfriend...you want a slave. Someone that puts you on a pedestal without any reason other then You are YOU.

My suggestion, go to an alternative lifestyle. There are women that want nothing to do with but "serving" a man and his needs. They are called slaves or submissives but be aware that for one of them to commit herself to you....you are going to have to show her you will be there for her when she needs it. Either way, you have to give a bit of yourself no matter how much you hate it, otherwise you'll just make her cry too just like those guys you envy so much.

Good points, man. The pedestal part reminded me of that scene in the "40 Year Old Virgin."

 

[Mz Chaos]

The pedestal part reminded me of that scene in the "40 Year Old Virgin."

He's only got 5 years to go for that.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

Well, duh.

 

[Capnmad]

I not only don't think I have anything to offer a hot looking woman, I resent having to have anything to offer. I guess because I was spoiled and sheltered as a kid (I'm 35 now), I've always resented having to give something of value to get something of value back. But anyway, you've probably all heard people talk about some hot babe, with some "loser" and "what could she possibly see in him". I know I'm a loser: I'm fat, lazy (even though unfortunately I have to work to survive), selfish, have little interest in other people unless I need them for something. If I never had anywhere that I had to be, I would sleep 16 hours a day and spend the other 8 playing video games and surfing the internet. I have no ambition and no interest in participating in life in general.

Now, there are guys just like me, with the same attitudes as me, who have hot looking girlfriends who adore them. The girls cry and complain to their friends and family but when asked why they stay they say "because I love him". Like I said I would much rather tickle a woman's feet and then masturbate on them, than have sex with her. And I can pay women to let me do that. But I want to be able to say I have a girlfriend. I want to be able to say to co-workers "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that". I want a hot woman to be seen with. I want a girlfriend to fool around with, and to cook and clean for me and look pretty for me, take care of me.

As I said there are guys just like me, who think just like me, with nothing to offer a woman, who have hot girlfriends who do all this. I wish I knew what I need to do to be like them.

Okay, Noncon... I can tell already this is pointless, but just for kicks, I'll try to engage you rather than just comment on your remarks...

Why should a woman be with you?

Understand that your want for her isn't a reason. I want you to give me your money, but something tells me you're not going to give it to me without some resistance. So my want, my selfishness, my greed on its own isn't reason enough.

Understand that just because you've seen girls date "losers" before, this isn't a rationale as to why you should have a woman, either. These "losers" actually offer at least the appearance of something that attracts some women. By your own remarks, you don't seem capable of mustering the will to do that. That means they're not like you, and there's part of the difference.

Now, why should a woman be with you? Give me a reason.

 

[Dussicar]

After all is said and done, the intern00bz is filled with all kind of freaks and "'tards."

Why, just yesterday, I decided to get rid of the pesky canker sore on the tip of my tongue with a set of toe nail clippers!!!

My bottom line is that this guy is either the biggest flame-troll on the TMF, or the biggest freak-job that ever lived...On this forum, that is.

God, I love the uteruswibz!!!! This is freedom of speech right here!

Any retard with half a brain and half a mind to use it can be king!!!!!!!!

DISCLAIMER:

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[Korastus]

I not only don't think I have anything to offer a hot looking woman, I resent having to have anything to offer. I guess because I was spoiled and sheltered as a kid (I'm 35 now), I've always resented having to give something of value to get something of value back. But anyway, you've probably all heard people talk about some hot babe, with some "loser" and "what could she possibly see in him". I know I'm a loser: I'm fat, lazy (even though unfortunately I have to work to survive), selfish, have little interest in other people unless I need them for something. If I never had anywhere that I had to be, I would sleep 16 hours a day and spend the other 8 playing video games and surfing the internet. I have no ambition and no interest in participating in life in general.

Now, there are guys just like me, with the same attitudes as me, who have hot looking girlfriends who adore them. The girls cry and complain to their friends and family but when asked why they stay they say "because I love him". Like I said I would much rather tickle a woman's feet and then masturbate on them, than have sex with her. And I can pay women to let me do that. But I want to be able to say I have a girlfriend. I want to be able to say to co-workers "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that". I want a hot woman to be seen with. I want a girlfriend to fool around with, and to cook and clean for me and look pretty for me, take care of me.

As I said there are guys just like me, who think just like me, with nothing to offer a woman, who have hot girlfriends who do all this. I wish I knew what I need to do to be like them.

This... this is kind of appalling.
I mean really. You resent having to have something to offer?
Theres... theres no nice way to respond to this. At all. You are pathetic.
I've seen some close friends stay with some serious asshole guys, but I can recognize that at some point, for some reason, those guys might have tried, probably had something to offer.
Additionally, how do you expect anybody to give a shit about you when you don't have anything remotely pleasant to say about yourself?
You want the world for nothing, dude. I'd tell you good luck, but honestly, I think it would be even more sad if you actually got anything with that attitude.

 

[Korastus]

Oh, also, you're a douche for suggesting that nice guys can't be exciting too.

 

[NonConTickler]

I just felt like complaining really. I figured on this forum at least when I said I want to tickle women's feet and masturbate on their feet people would at least be able to relate; instead of the "and on top of everything else you have a foot fetish! Gross!" response I would get on boards not having to do with feet or tickling.

I know I have nothing to offer a woman. At least not a woman of quality physical looks, who I would feel like I accomplished something if I had her. Yes, all I have is the desire to have her, nothing I have to offer that she would want. I would force people to do what I want if I was able, but I'm not. So I'm left with complaining, and seeing myself as an innocent victim who doesn't have what he deserves, and cannot force people to give it to him.

 

[Korastus]

I just felt like complaining really. I figured on this forum at least when I said I want to tickle women's feet and masturbate on their feet people would at least be able to relate; instead of the "and on top of everything else you have a foot fetish! Gross!" response I would get on boards not having to do with feet or tickling.

I know I have nothing to offer a woman. At least not a woman of quality physical looks, who I would feel like I accomplished something if I had her. Yes, all I have is the desire to have her, nothing I have to offer that she would want. I would force people to do what I want if I was able, but I'm not. So I'm left with complaining, and seeing myself as an innocent victim who doesn't have what he deserves, and cannot force people to give it to him.

From listening to you, you don't seem to deserve anything. Somebody deserves good things when they stop bitching and work for it.
In my experience, most people who go "waaaaah, I don't have what I deserve", already have exactly what they deserve.

 

[TonyInMyThroat]

Why, just yesterday, I decided to get rid of the pesky canker sore on the tip of my tongue with a set of toe nail clippers!!!

Try those tiny nose hair scissors next time; they let you snip the little white spot without grabbing any of the surrounding tissue. Still a bit painful at first, but relieves that nagging sting almost immediately!