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Why Men Don't Talk

the wiz

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I saw this article while looking for information concerning a computer issue. After reading this I came to the concussion, that males in American is
F.U.B.A.R. {FOILED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION}

I pasted the article as is; however, after his brilliant political correct views, I will post my interpretation of his statement without further delay Mr. Zinczenko

Men’s Health Dave Zinczenko's Mysteries of the Sexes Explained
http://health.yahoo.com/experts/menlovesex/73762/why-men-don-t-talk/
As the editor of the biggest men's magazine in the world, I am privy to something many women rarely hear - straightforward, uninhibited guy talk.
Don't be so shocked - guys do actually talk, and not just about Tom Brady's quarterback rating. Most women think their man is the strong, silent type (or maybe the oblivious, silent type), and they wonder why he doesn't share his feelings.

But here's the truth: Men do want to open up, about their hopes, their fears, and their passions. Yet put him alone in a room with you, and he often turns into a Sphinx. Why can't he take his eyes off the TV and talk about the state of the relationship, or the finances, or, heck, the backyard landscaping? Why in the world can't he just summarize his day for 10 minutes?
In fact, one in five women say that they typically fight about a man's lack of verbal interaction, and 30 percent of men say their failure to communicate is the source of major conflict in the relationship. Why is it this way?
Here's one answer: Because even men who have feelings to share don't always feel comfortable sharing them with their partner. These are some of the reasons why some men often prefer to zip it, rather than delivering the goods:

Guys Are A Little Intimidated

No question, women are expert communicators. They throw questions like Oprah after her third cup of coffee; they're connecting on all cylinders. And like the divine Ms. W, women bring a lot of skill to their game: A special awareness of the people-scape around them, a keen set of emotions keyed to that awareness, and a rich vocabulary they use to talk about anything at anytime.
And they're always practicing their Q&A skills on their many friends, so they're in top talk mode all the time. Men know this. And they also know that more than one-third of women say that men simply can't relate and don't understand women. The result: Men are afraid of saying too much, because saying the wrong thing may get them into more trouble than Lindsay Lohan as a designated driver.

Interpretation – Women spend more time talking about stuff that males find trivial; Women spend days, weeks, months, even years pondering every possible answers to their questions. They huddle up as a study group bouncing questions and likely answers off each other. Each one brings their own laptop so they can search Google for articles like this that will give them insight on males most likely response.
After they feel they have all the answers, they go to the male and like a skilled attorney; they construct the conversation in a way, which would trap the male into answering in one of two ways.
1. Giving them what they want (control)
2. Confuse them in a way where once a conversation, will ultimately turn into an argument (by her design); when the fight is over they still will have control.
But, to be completely honest; men will not say what is truly on their minds because they know they will not get any more special attention unless they bring a bottle of baby oil and have a strong left or right hand.
We might act as if we are stupid but self-relief only goes so far when your 14 – 38. Thank God, I am 45, and grown beyond that foolishness


Guys Need To Decompress

Woman's view: When a man walks in the door, he ought to cough up some of the details about his day. After all, it's been 10 hours since they've communicated, not counting the two IMs, three voice mails, and one actual mid-day conversation.
Man's view: Can I please make a beeline to the bathroom? When men reach home, it's like those ultra-marathoners staggering across the finish line in Death Valley. The last thing they want to do is discuss how bright the sunlight was, and how scarce the water stops were.
Further up on his want-to-do list after arriving home: 14 percent of men want to check email, 12 percent are looking for a little private time in the bathroom, and 10 percent simply want to eat dinner. The common theme here: After they've spent a day serving the needs of others, they want to take care of themselves a little.

So when a man is hit with a demand for conversation so closely after returning from the stressful environment of work, he has only one gear left to shift into, and sometimes it's reverse. He's retreat, retreat, retreat.

Interpretation – The last thing a male want to do is re-live some of the worst hours of his life for your amusement. Hell he already told you how is day was going when you txt him on his phone; e-mail him at work, called him on his cell and company phone, IM him while he is trying to eat lunch, or in the middle of an important meeting. In addition, he had to deal with other females and their hang-ups while at the office.
NOT TO MENTION,

His continuous struggle to suppress his desire to tell a female co-workers she look very sexy in a dress she should have worn to a nightclub not to the office. You know the woman who walks in with a very sexy dress, her boobs sticking out as if they were placed on a platter and served up to him. With high heels that make her calves look like two big turkey legs.
However, if he say you look nice in that dress he ends up in HR trying to explain to another woman how boob is hanging down to floor when she walks, why he even notice a co-worker who dress make her look like a overstuff lamp chop and you’re the hungry dog she want to serve it to.
By the time he get home all the man want to do is come home, get something to drink, turn on anything that shows someone being blown up, beat up, driven over, or someone who life is worst than his. (AL BUNDY; FROM MARRY WITH CHILDREN)


Guys Are More Comfortable With Actions Than Feelings

Rather than talking about how he "feels," often a man would rather express his love by changing her oil, or bringing home a flower, or relinquishing control of the remote.

And when men do talk, they'd prefer to talk about actions rather than emotions. For instance, a lot of guys would choose to express their long-range faith in a relationship by talking about next summer's vacation plans, not by launching into a soliloquy about undying love.
Both conversations can mean the same thing (that he plans on sticking around); he just prefers to say it with plane tickets, rather than poetry. It's one of the reasons men are more comfortable talking at work (the practical universe) than they are at home (the castle that emotion built). But you can bring out his great communicator by making him feel more like he's operating in work mode, even when the topic at hand is your love life. Here's an incredible article, "The Home Office," that shows how he can use his best office skills for great success at home.

Interpretation – Women you are not listening, males do not believe in talking about something for the next decade. He prefer get it over and done with a.s.a.p. he do not want to discuss in detail how to change a light bulb. Specially when he knows once he spend all that time trying to explain it to you, you still will not understand it or forget what he said within a day. (I used the light bulb as an example)

Guys Don't Want To Be Put On The Spot

When men talk less and women want more, the scenario can escalate. Like when the bad cop is pummeling the reluctant witness, more silence equals more questions. A full 65 percent of men we surveyed recently told us they don't want their partners to ask them more questions about themselves.
It's clear that some men are just plain tired of feeling like they're on the witness stand. They're not necessarily hiding anything; many guys simply prefer not to have to relate confusing feelings that they may not even understand themselves.

Interpretation – refer to my first interpretation
 
Huh.

And I thought this is why men didn't talk:
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:angel:

~ toyou
 
I'm more than willing to talk, it's other people who dont want to talk back or listen
 
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I WISH I could find a guy who doesn't want to talk. In my experience they babble on about nonsense all the damn time while I'm trying to read or watch tv.

Nonsense = why their job sucks so bad and how the boss is jealous of them.
 
Okay now I understand why men don't talk as much as women. The next question is, how do you get a guy to open up about his feelings if there is such a way? I mean guys have feelings and it is good to talk about them sometimes.
 
Thanks Wiz....I enjoyed the artical as well as your insight. I guess I have heard this all before but being a lover of men I don't get bored with the subject. I guess the difficulty I have each time I read information like this is knowing what men want from women. I hear they want to communicate these more intimate hopes and dreams. They want to be known intimately but don't like the questions or discussions that relay these revealing parts of them for fear of saying the "wrong thing" or not communicating it effecively. I do find that when I am trying to understand something my husband is trying to relate to me, I generally need to ask several questions for clarification. I think women generally need more information on a topic than men do...we need details......Hence, one of the many differences between the sexes....
 
Thanks for the post, the wiz.

I always take articles like this with a grain of salt. Over-generalizations like "guys are more comfortable with actions than feelings" and "women [have] a special awareness of the people-scape around them" always make me feel weary and annoyed. I've met men who would much rather talk about life and happiness than play touch football or work on a car, AND those who wouldn't wax poetic for a hundred bucks. I've met women who are completely oblivious to the social environments surrounding them, AND those who seem precognitive in their astute understanding of such matters.

But remember:
Real men don't cry.
Real men show no fear.
Real men can't tell charcoal gray from taupe.
And real men just don't get that "talking" thing.

~syn

P.S. I'm not lashing out at anyone in particular here :triangle: I just get frustrated with the "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" stuff.
 
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The reason men don't talk is because of everything The Wiz says, and 2 other reasons:

1. Men don't learn the same communication skills as women do. Men grow up with a totally different set of interpersonal vocabulary and useage than women do. Men communicate to convey information to or to create impressions in others; it's functional. Male conversation without function is sort of a mass clusterfuck of garbled short talk about the things they're interested in. Why? Because that's when they tell stories and the person telling the story has the power, and THAT is when the emotion comes out, most of it boisteruous humor. They get excited reveling in the details of what they all saw, heard, feel about something they saw or heard, or in recanting. Guys typically don't want to talk about their problems because it makes them feel vulnerable and communicate in ways that mislead nosy people or convey the need to be left alone...which is what guys need when they're upset. Girls might need to get together and have it out, but guys when they feel vulnerable can be dangerous and pushing them to talk could make them lash out in defense.

So why would women--who spend their whole lives chatting with women--expect men--who spend their whole lives talking with other guys--to understand the complex, cultvated lexicon of women? Of COURSE they don't underdstand your problems or want to talk with you...they have no idea how women talk or why they talk about the things they do! And women, in their estrogenical arrogance, assume that if a man can't understand you when you talk to him the way you talk to your girlfriends, he's being an asshole who isn't trying or he's being an asshole who wants to be mean: the idea that maybe he DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT never seems to cross their mind.

2. Men know that they can't possible beat women at teh communication game; anything a man can say, a woman is already three steps ahead. We can't outmaneuver them in an argument, especially if it's an angry argument. When men talk, women record everything--they never actually LISTEN or ANALYSZE his POV, they just deconstruct it for slights/flaws that give her clues about what to fix. And we all know that when an argument comes, all that shit will come back to haunt them. And if the relationship falls apart, all the talking you did will be the ammunition she uses to destroy your reputation and then life as she babbles it amongst her friends and even uses it against you. There's a reason there's a saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned": because when a woman gets pissed, she destroys you just as thoroughly and sadistically as any psychopath, and her brain is 10% bigger and 30% more active than yours and she can outthink you in the strategizing game.. The more you talk, the more she has in her arsenal of Wrath and she WILL use it against you actively (like after a break-up) or passively (manipulating you by attacking your weaknesses). Never underestimate a woman's brains, her craftiness, her cruel cunning and preternatual scheming, and her overall potential malice.

Remember literature's greatest villain "LADY" MacBeth...that title says it all.
 
Pfff. I don't find being open with a woman intimidating, and to be honest I'd severely question the mentality that allows a person to be physically intimate with someone yet finds something as mundane as talking to them openly and honestly frightening.

Also for anyone reading this bloke's opinion and taking it as some sort of epiphany I'd suggest not to. Men's magazines are to the male beast what beauty magazines are to women; that is, largely useless, vacuous pieces of poo. They do have some nice pictures of boobies, though 😀
 
no the reason men dont talk is because no matter what we say we always get in trouble
 
But remember:
Real men don't cry.
Real men show no fear.
Real men can't tell charcoal gray from taupe.
And real men just don't get that "talking" thing.

P.S. I'm not lashing out at anyone in particular here :triangle: I just get frustrated with the "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" stuff.


hahaha ! good one

i suppose you're joking of course, so i guess that real man should :

- drink beer
- watch tv & football
- like cars
- bashing women
- etc etc usual man stuff 😉

* !! KIDDING !! * * !! KIDDING !! *

which is of course wrong, some still do act that way, it's painful

i talk to women, i love them damn it :redheart: !!! & i'm that why so 🙂

i cry, i like flowers, i hate football, i'm not talking about cars like for hours !!
doesn't it makes me a real man then ? 😛

nevermind
 
I have a question....If a man is having a personal problem with his significant other....let's say...he wants more affection or more of her time....and he is real frustrated with this....How would he communicate this?....or would he just not communicate it.

I will NOT challenge any responses...I am interested in your point of view.
 
I feel that men do not talk so much because they keep their emotions and feelings bottled up inside of them. Most of the time when I am at work and some guy friends come in that are friends of someone I work with, I find myself doing majority of the talking. I mostly feel it is a guy thing and I believe that most but not all guys are like that. For the most part, women are more sociable and sympathetic and are the ones that are in on all the gossip, whereas the guys portray being more laid back and distant from the whole conversation. Most of all, women are always running to tell their significant other all the stuff that went on for a particular day and the guy has to listen. I feel it is a womens part to do the majority of the talking and the guy to listen, but still give feedback and at least try to act like they care.
 
I feel that men do not talk so much because they keep their emotions and feelings bottled up inside of them. Most of the time when I am at work and some guy friends come in that are friends of someone I work with, I find myself doing majority of the talking. I mostly feel it is a guy thing and I believe that most but not all guys are like that. For the most part, women are more sociable and sympathetic and are the ones that are in on all the gossip, whereas the guys portray being more laid back and distant from the whole conversation. Most of all, women are always running to tell their significant other all the stuff that went on for a particular day and the guy has to listen. I feel it is a womens part to do the majority of the talking and the guy to listen, but still give feedback and at least try to act like they care.

I have to disagree with some of your statement; I will try to reply to your statement point by point.

work - most men do not talk at work because of all the ears around them; with the unfairness of sexual harassments laws in the work place; a man can not say anything because it may upset someone how is easy dropping into their conversation or may be misinterpreted.

home - most guy don't like to have the same conversation over and over again. Nor do they like to be sucker punch with "HOW DO I LOOK IN THIS DRESS" "DOES THIS DRESS MAKE ME LOOK FAT" "IF I DIE BEFORE YOU; WOULD YOU DATE AGAIN OR EVER RE-MARRY"

We have feelings, and love to tell our woman; however it piss us off when you use it again us just to win a stupid argument.
 
home - most guy don't like to have the same conversation over and over again. Nor do they like to be sucker punch with "HOW DO I LOOK IN THIS DRESS" "DOES THIS DRESS MAKE ME LOOK FAT" "IF I DIE BEFORE YOU; WOULD YOU DATE AGAIN OR EVER RE-MARRY"

You know, if this is what passes for "conversation" with the women in your life, something's not right.
 
Who decided that it was healthy and normal to talk about your feelings in the first place? I mean, I'm sure it's great for some people, and more power to them for doing it. Other folks, however (myself included), prefer to work things out in our own minds.

There are really only three "emotional" states that I show to the world in general: Happiness, annoyance, and apathy. I can count the people who have seen me cry (as an adult, at least) on one hand. There are only 6 people in the world who I'll really open up to, and I only do so on very rare occasions. Aside from that, I just sort of deal with things on my own. It always works out fine. *shrug* It isn't because I'm somehow afraid to show emotion, either... I just don't like to burden other people with my problems, I really don't like it when people try to help me with stuff of that nature, and I REALLY don't like it when someone sympathizes with or feels sorry for me. Strange? Probably. But that's just the way I am.

I guess some of us don't "talk" because we really don't need to.
 
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