WrestleMania 21 outlook

[Wicker Man]

JBL Rules!

JBL is the greatest heel of modern times and possibly of all times. Natural Tickler said 2 posts ago said he went to a house show and Helmsley got more cheers than Orton, this doesnt happen with JBL. There are no T-shirts of him and no positive signs, people just despise him and they turn on Smackdown to see him get his tail kicked. Is he a bad wrestler? No He wrestles just like his idol Stan "The Lariat" Hansen, both have a brawling style...you cant expect Layfield to be Bob Backlund guys thats being unfair cuz hes not that type of wrestler. I seem to remember a wrestler who was sorely lacking in technical excellence, who was a brawler and he did pretty well for himself, you might have heard of him...Hulk Hogan!!! As for JBLs mike work its pure magic! A week ago he went on a tirade insulting everyone and NOT using the same old heel tricks to get the fans to hate him such as insulting the hometown sports teams. He may be the best mike worker in WWE today. Oh and if he was really that bad do you think Vince would let him be champ for this long? Cmon be fair! Layfield does a LOT for WWE and no one gives the poor guy ANY credit, well im giving him credit right here and now and if I stand alone so be it!😀

 

[Armpit_licker]

Re: JBL Rules!

JBL is the greatest heel of modern times and possibly of all times. Natural Tickler said 2 posts ago said he went to a house show and Helmsley got more cheers than Orton, this doesnt happen with JBL. There are no T-shirts of him and no positive signs, people just despise him and they turn on Smackdown to see him get his tail kicked. Is he a bad wrestler? No He wrestles just like his idol Stan "The Lariat" Hansen, both have a brawling style...you cant expect Layfield to be Bob Backlund guys thats being unfair cuz hes not that type of wrestler. I seem to remember a wrestler who was sorely lacking in technical excellence, who was a brawler and he did pretty well for himself, you might have heard of him...Hulk Hogan!!! As for JBLs mike work its pure magic! A week ago he went on a tirade insulting everyone and NOT using the same old heel tricks to get the fans to hate him such as insulting the hometown sports teams. He may be the best mike worker in WWE today. Oh and if he was really that bad do you think Vince would let him be champ for this long? Cmon be fair! Layfield does a LOT for WWE and no one gives the poor guy ANY credit, well im giving him credit right here and now and if I stand alone so be it!😀

Many people cheer HHH because they respect him, not that they like him. That is the difference between him and JBL.

 

[Wicker Man]

I Stand Alone!

At this moment JBL is doing far more for the WWE than Triple H is. Triple H is a egotiscal,overrated,asskisser who uses backstage politics and marrying the bosses daughter to get where he is. In every match JBL wrestles hes always covered in blood and taking wicked bumps. JBL also surprises some people with some of his moves (like Stan Hansen did). His top rope shoulder block is pretty good for a guy "who cant wrestle"! Respect? JBL isnt the asskisser that Triple H is to his daddy in-law so ill give my respect to the guy who makes it with his talent not nepotism. Once again I stand alone in my admiration for JBL I know but I say "so be it!"

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

No, you definitely don't stand alone. JBL made my top 10 favorite wrestlers list for all those reasons you stated and more.

The man is as good as gold for the business. Look at what he's managed to do- make people literally hate him and still raise ticket sales. He says very controversial things, gets in the audiance's face, berates them, says what he's about, and still has the brass to fight, even if he cheats. People want to see, and they pay for it.

Theres always something positive to be said about wrestlers who possess this innate ability to motivate people toward an emotion. Triple H does it, JBL does it, and others like them do it as well.

Thats why, with Dave Batista, he's a very hollow character without substance. Its no surprize they introduced him as a bodyguard or muscle. Thats the role these types of wrestlers get because they have nothing else. He's that guy that can beat you up, thats what he is. Theres no face to that, no direction.

The only current ability he has to communicate with the audiance is violence. While thats enough to be said in itself, its not enough to create a well-rounded wrestler. I compared his status now to that of Bill Goldburg. I don't feel that wrestler was all that he was cracked up to be. Some people like these types of wrestlers, however shallow they might be.

The only wrestler of this type that I remember seeing as a clear exception is Stone Cold Steve Austin himself. But see, even he had a gimmick. Bastista doesn't have one going into WM, and if he doesn't have one afterwards, as the champ or not, then it could be a foreshadowing of what we can expect from him later.

I'm optimistic however. I'm sure they'll work something out with him and give him a direction he can follow. Its up to him though to provide the rest. Mic. skills isn't something the staff can do for you. There are several other things to be considered other than wrestling itself.

 

[Armpit_licker]

No, you definitely don't stand alone. JBL made my top 10 favorite wrestlers list for all those reasons you stated and more.

The man is as good as gold for the business. Look at what he's managed to do- make people literally hate him and still raise ticket sales. He says very controversial things, gets in the audiance's face, berates them, says what he's about, and still has the brass to fight, even if he cheats. People want to see, and they pay for it.

Theres always something positive to be said about wrestlers who possess this innate ability to motivate people toward an emotion. Triple H does it, JBL does it, and others like them do it as well.

Thats why, with Dave Batista, he's a very hollow character without substance. Its no surprize they introduced him as a bodyguard or muscle. Thats the role these types of wrestlers get because they have nothing else. He's that guy that can beat you up, thats what he is. Theres no face to that, no direction.

The only current ability he has to communicate with the audiance is violence. While thats enough to be said in itself, its not enough to create a well-rounded wrestler. I compared his status now to that of Bill Goldburg. I don't feel that wrestler was all that he was cracked up to be. Some people like these types of wrestlers, however shallow they might be.

The only wrestler of this type that I remember seeing as a clear exception is Stone Cold Steve Austin himself. But see, even he had a gimmick. Bastista doesn't have one going into WM, and if he doesn't have one afterwards, as the champ or not, then it could be a foreshadowing of what we can expect from him later.

I'm optimistic however. I'm sure they'll work something out with him and give him a direction he can follow. Its up to him though to provide the rest. Mic. skills isn't something the staff can do for you. There are several other things to be considered other than wrestling itself.

What kind of gimmick do you want from Dave?? I think his current one is fine. He doesn't yap a lot like HHH and JBL and the fans seem to like that. He is the "animal" and is a beast in the ring, his intensity is bar none and he takes care of buisiness the way he should.. No talking, just getting down to fighting. The crowd really is eating up his character, they love it, as do I.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

No one says he has to yap. Everyone gets it done his own way, and according to what the script says. If you put it that way, all current wrestlers could do that, just get the job done. If everyone was shining like they should or could one single man wouldn't make a difference.

People like Triple H are held back for the sake of generating doubt and contempt for their positions of authority so that when it comes time to oust them people go along with it. Its taken that "well, I don't see them defending their belt, they're cowards, they cheat" etc. They're not cowards, and they're only cheating because the script tells them to. Its all an act. Its what they're being paid to be portrayed as.

Bastista isn't an "animal" any more than Triple H is the "Game". Although, at this point and time, Triple H has earned his title.

The point is, Batista doesn't have that status yet. And I don't see how a wrestlemania win, however brutal it might be, should or would automatically validate him by some default.

Its a process, a slow process of refinement that almost every wrestler goes through. Triple H went through it over a number of years, and Batista will have to as well. When you talk about this by way of attrition, status, and ring presense, Triple H is the master, and Batista is the apprentice. Being a lone rogue who goes maverick, which every wrestler goes through at some time, isn't anything special.

I want Batista to be something special. I think its far too premature to refer to him in such high fashion, both as a wrestler who has yet to perfect his craft and forge a true identity.

You talk about people cheering and loving him. People forget that booing and contempt is the same thing, masked a different way.

When people chant "you suck" to Kurt Angle, they're really chanting him in secret with appriciation. They like him for who he is. They LOVE that he's a heel, just as people love that Triple H and JBL are heels. I don't understand why being a heel is always taken with less value than being a face or up and comer.

Perhaps we have too many heels and not enough faces in this business, I don't know, but one hand washes the other, and the likes of Triple H are necessary. Batista could be replaced immediately. Triple H could be replaced, but not as quickly. That would take time, perhaps years. Surely then thats a sign of Triple H's status in the business compared to Batista.

"Come on, he's new, go easy on him" some might say. Yes, he is new. Should I therefore hold him in the same esteem?

People like what they like, but remember that it's fixed and so it becomes a matter of personal representation and presense. Batista doesn't have that, not yet.

I think a fraction, perhaps more of a solid percentage of Batista fans are going along with this only because it means Triple H being dethroned. People are calling for Triple H's blood.

Now stop and think a minute. By booing him, taunting him, and wanting him gone, you're actually praising him indirectly. You are the proof of his handy-work. You are validating his presense. You are FEEDING Triple H and making him even more of a power and presense. You're giving him a paycheck. You're putting a smile of pride on his face. Your insults and ill-wishes are a compliment to him. And the more genuine the feeling, the greater the results. He's putting on a wonderful performance for you, and he takes it to a level that not too many people have gone to since the heels of legend.

Its the same for JBL.

Oh, they're doing their job alright, and they're getting it done, for sure. More so than any physical display is capable of. JBL IS a wrestling "god" and Triple H sure as HELL IS the "Game".

Can't we all just get along? 😀

 

[Armpit_licker]

"I think a fraction, perhaps more of a solid percentage of Batista fans are going along with this only because it means Triple H being dethroned. People are calling for Triple H's blood"

I disagree... If this were the case Randy Orton would of been more over then he was.

 

[The Sean Man]

Re: I Stand Alone!

Triple H is a egotiscal,overrated, asskisser who uses backstage politics and marrying the bosses daughter to get where he is.

1) He's a proven draw.

2) Egotistical? You forget all the wrestlers he's put over during his eleven title reigns.

3) Considering the average shelf life of a wrestler, I'd use backstage politics to stay on top too.

4) Ahhhh yes...the "marrying the bosses daughter" accusation. You and all the Triple H haters have ZERO proof of that.


The Sean Man

 

[Wicker Man]

Can you name some wrestlers who Triple H has put over please? To put over a wrestler you have to lose to him no excuses...like Batista put over Maven when they were trying to push that piece of shit but realized that people arent gonna buy T-Shirts,PPVs and fill arenas to see Mavens horrendous wrestling skills. (I could have told them that!) And if you are doubting that Triple H and Stephanie are married (which im not sure if you are or not) I can refer to about a hundred sites and possible marriage records saying they are, its common knowledge. And Triple H has 10 title reigns not 11 but I dont blame you for that...its a confusing thing to keep accurate nowadays. I often wonder what would happen if a 2000 fan had to watch Bruno Sammartinos 70s title reign of 8 years. You guys should join 3 Strand Wrestling to concentrate solely on wrestling comments, you have a lot of knowledge to share. 😎

 

[Edge]

Triple H and Stephanie got married in a church a few miles from my house, believe it or not. I didn't even know till I read it after in an article and saw people had gone there to watch it. They are married, and I'm sure Triple H has a lot more pull than most of the other wrestlers, however, I think it's not fair to say he married Stephanie so he can run things in the WWE. Maybe they actually love each other? What a concept lol...that doesn't mean Triple H doesn't use his power in some ways to help himself, but really how come JBL has a current longer title reign than any Triple H title reign if Triple H would abuse his power?

 

[Wicker Man]

Simple! Because Triple H wants to become a Flair type champ rather than a Sammartino. In other words he wants to brag he held the World Title 100 times rather than have one long sustained run. JBL sadly doesnt see the WWE Title after Wrestlemania.😡

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Again folks, you can say whatever you want. Its all feeding Triple H and making him an even more believable heel. You're doing him a huge favor and paying him and JBL the highest of compliments. And he doesn't have to worry about people calling his wrestling skills into question, the man CAN wrestle.

Even by talking about him indirectly you're giving him credit. Haven't you noticed how things tend to revolve around Triple H most of the time in discussion? Triple H is almost always somehow a part of the equation even if the topic isn't about him. Without even noticing it you're talking consistantly about a man you love to hate. LOVE to HATE.

The man deserves his props. He's managed to get you all hung up on the things he wants you to get all hung up on. He wants your panties in a bind and he wants you to be frustrated as all hell. He wants you to fume, he wants you to fester.

But just remember, he's good at what he DOES, but this isn't who the man really is. He's a rather nice man, who is VERY good at what he does. He almost has the same effects that Hogan had with his maniacs, except its reversed and inverted. But its still of that caliber.

Triple H is perhaps the ONLY wrestler in the business today who has caused this much emotional strife among fans and is capable of consistantly generating it. Its not as simple as saying or doing controversial things. Anyone can do that. Triple H is the Game for a reason. Its not just some fancy, meaningless moniker.

I will admit there are instances where it gets old, HOWEVER, on the whole of things, Triple H shouldn't be any other way. He's found his niche in the business, and I think he's putting alot of the locker to shame by way of presentation of character to the audiance. He does what many are afraid to do with their character, and he's all the more influencial because of it.

"He married the bosses's daughter" card is whats getting old. Its not to be accredited to what he's built up during the years. All it is now is controversy with the whole marriage thing. Controversy he's using to his advantage and it's paying dividends from what I see here.

Triple H is where he is in the business because he thought ahead, he planned and he studied the game. I'm sure being married to Stephanie has it's perks, but it doesn't illegitimize what he's done or gotten away with. And like its been mentioned, maybe their marriage is legit and they really are an item. Until more than just heresay, and actual proof can be offered of otherwise, its either not true(the actual marriage) or is legit. The idea of him using the marriage for business purposes in the script is definitely something he wants you to ponder however, and its working.

"If I was going to do my own promo I'd start with Triple H. He's an enemy tactician, top show performer, he sees the game, has such a mind for the game. He breathes the business, he lives the business and he studies the game. Triple H is what he says he is, he is the Game."- The Undertaker

Win, lose, or draw at Wrestlmania, Triple H will still be the better all-around wrestler than Batista. The win (presumed win for Dave) will prove nothing but Triple H's generosity, however scarce some may think it is.

 

[Edge]

I think Triple H is great too, not aruging with that...he's my fav wrestler actually.

Seeing Stone Cold back in the ring with Piper should be really funny.

 

[Krokus]

I can't wait to see Batista powerbomb hunter to a world title win!

Go Batista! Your time has finally arrived!

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I think Triple H is great too, not aruging with that...he's my fav wrestler actually.

Seeing Stone Cold back in the ring with Piper should be really funny.

I can't wait for Hot Rod either! Thats probably going to be a really physical confrontation. Piper isn't one to take any crap either. If he can get up from even one Stunner or assault, rest assured he'll fight back! 😀

 

[tickle]

Batista - snore city.

HHH - needs to retire and have kids with Steph. Take care of his injured leg and enjoy life.

JBL & Cena - who cares. Neither can win a match decisively and showcase true wrestling ability. One character is a thug and the other character portrays himself as a coward who can't win a match on wrestling ability.

Stone Cold & Piper - Again, they both need to stay retired. For a Federation who was once taking shots at WCW for keeping old geezers around, why are they now promoting them at the biggest wrestling showcase of the year?

The WWE screwed up when they let the two biggest things they had going for them leave. The Rock and Brock Lesnar. None of the characters have originality or charisma anymore. The only reason I half-watch anymore is hoping to see a look at Trish, Stacey or Torrie.

 

[Edge]

I love wrestling...
but your allowed to hate it 🙂.

 

[gargoyleofdusk]

Batista will win over Triple H.

Cena will tear down JBL.

HBK over Angle.

Orton over the Undertaker (which will see them switch brands down the road).

Trish retains her title, but gets beaten later by Lita.

Kane wins the Ladder Match.

Can't wait to see the Hot Rod and the Rattlesnake.

Am I missing anything?

 

[Edge]

That's it so far, probably will be Eddie vs. Rey Mysterio, maybe Booker T vs. Orlando Jordan, hmmmmmm and maybe another match or two. 3 weeks from today Wrestlemania...