Wrestling is not a sport

[chicago]

A wrestler's attire is no more peacock looking than the uniform for any sports team.

I beg to differ, sir...

 

[Goodieluver]

There is no competetion. Everything is pre-determined. Wrestling is one big scripted play.

They are competing against each other to get over with the crowd, the bigger the pop they get, the better chance at a better payday.

 

[Goodieluver]

If the participants are wearing makeup and/or flamboyant peacock looking outfits... it's not a sport.

So figure skating and probably gymnastics are not sports according to you

 

[Goodieluver]

I'm sorry what do in the ring is an act and not a competition. It's much as competition as a fight in a movie.



I'm sorry you do not like my opinion, however, if you can't give me your opinion without a personal attack then please do not post in the thread. It was clearly marked what it was about.

Difference is movies are choreographed. Other than the ending, little, if any, of the matches are choreographed. They may go over a hi spot here\there but the majority of it is improvised on the spot and adapted to the match and how the crowd reacts.

And even tho the topic if it being "Fake" is not an issue cuz as i stated, wrestling never said it was real. Just because i always like to put stuff like this in threads when people call wrestlers phonies\fakes
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The objects of stunts\stunt men are to do stunts safely and dont get hurt. If yer guys like in the last clip in partickular, they dont do it very stiffly

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I beg to differ, sir...

The Ultimate Warrior wasn't a wrestler anyway. The length of all of his career matches probably totals 5 minutes.

 

[The Sean Man]

The Ultimate Warrior wasn't a wrestler anyway. The length of all of his career matches probably totals 5 minutes.

His match with Hogan at Wrestlemania lasted 20 minutes. Course, he had sweated off most of his face paint near the end.....

 

[Curmudgeon]

uh-huh

Competitive tests of physical ability, no matter the level of danger, or exertion: Sport

Men in costumes, engaging in a strenous activity with a pre-determined outcome, where injuries can occur if something goes wrong, adopting character personas and participating in a storyline: Not a sport.

A BROADWAY SHOW, maybe....but not a sport.

For example;

If John Goodman works out on a stairmaster in a speedo, and reads "The Vagina Monologues", while Vinnie ("Big Pussy") Pastore gets on an elliptical trainer, wearing a crotchless teddy from Frederick's of Hollywood, singing "Don't ya wish your girlfriend was hot like me?", and they were swinging Nerf bats at each other's heads, but it was predetermined in the storyline that Vinnie would "win", and John would swear vengance, and then Rosie O'Donnell dropped from a (Very Heavy Duty) rope in the ceiling to smash Vinnne in the face with a sugar-glass bottle ....is that a sport?

Just because I'm deeply disturbed, doesn't make me wrong.

 

[Curmudgeon]

True

That's...quite an example you got there Curmudgeon.

But is it any more ridiculous than "The Undertaker" rising from the grave, after "dying", and calling that a sport?

 

[Azrael]

The Ultimate Warrior wasn't a wrestler anyway. The length of all of his career matches probably totals 5 minutes.

The "When in a corner, make stuff up" tactic hasn't worked all that well for you so far; you might want to go with something else 😉

 

[isabeau]

hmmm if Nascar isn't a sport...how can professional wrestling be considered one??? and Nascar does not have a predetermined ending..

Nascar is a sport..much more a sport than those wimps playing golf..

 

[Tickle Fiend]

The "When in a corner, make stuff up" tactic hasn't worked all that well for you so far; you might want to go with something else 😉

Any idiot can tell I was joking. If you watch wrestling then you should know what the hell I was talking about.

 

[primetime]

i like pro wrestling, always have since the glorious Hulkamania days in the 80's. It is "sports entertainment".

I wouldn't call it a sport per se, but the guys who are pro wrestlers are definitely athletes. Hell, you have former "sports" athletes performing. Kurt Angle was an Olympic Gold medalist in the 1996 Olympics with "real" wrestling. The Rock used to play for the Miami Hurricanes. John Cena has a football background. Goldberg played for the Falcons, etc.

By the true definition of "sport", pro wrestling is not due to the pre determined outcomes. However, what these athletes do should not be overlooked. I don't even think stuntmen can perform at the level these guys can. It does take a talent to succeed in pro wrestling. You normally have to be a good athlete to perform (yes, i know there are a few exceptions) in pro wrestling.

So, here's a compromise of sorts:

Pro wrestling: Not a true sport
Pro wrestlers: athletes

pro wrestling is a form of a sport because it does involve athletes, but it is entertainment because of the pre determined outcomes.

Oh yeah, there is no way in hell you can convince me that Nascar is a sport. It takes a tremendous amount of skill, but do you have to be an athlete?

 

[isabeau]

yes you need to be an athlete to be a nascar driver...could you go four or five hours without stopping to pee??? that takes stamina...also nascar is a team effort...which also makes it a sports venue...

heresay says if there is no ball involved in sports, it cannot be a sport..well...going two hundred miles per hour on a narrow track, twelve inches away from some other idiot going just as fast, with nothing in your hand but your steering wheel and two balls...yup that makes it a sport...

 

[Iggy pop]

Difference is movies are choreographed. Other than the ending, little, if any, of the matches are choreographed. They may go over a hi spot here\there but the majority of it is improvised on the spot and adapted to the match and how the crowd reacts.

From what I understand, Wrestling matches are rehearsed, choregraphed, scripted very much to a degree. Wrestlers are acting(often horribly) in the ring. This is not to say that some of it is not improvised, but sometimes actors improv too.

When pro-wrestlers enter the ring. They both know who will win and who will loose. This does not change. If you did this any other sport it would be "fixed" and illegal. The competition would be ruined.

The objects of stunts\stunt men are to do stunts safely and dont get hurt. If yer guys like in the last clip in partickular, they dont do it very stiffly

A Stunt professional is a risky profession. Many often do get injured in their line of work, and some have even died.

 

[Iggy pop]

hmmm if Nascar isn't a sport...how can professional wrestling be considered one??? and Nascar does not have a predetermined ending..

Nascar is a sport..much more a sport than those wimps playing golf..

I dislike both golf and Nascar, but I consider them both sports. They both take athletic ability and the outcome is not scripted. I am not saying that everything I like is a sport and everything I dislike is not sport. If that were the case, baseball would not be sport, but I believe it is.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

From what I understand, Wrestling matches are rehearsed, choregraphed, scripted very much to a degree. Wrestlers are acting(often horribly) in the ring. This is not to say that some of it is not improvised, but sometimes actors improv too.

When pro-wrestlers enter the ring. They both know who will win and who will loose. This does not change. If you did this any other sport it would be "fixed" and illegal. The competition would be ruined.





A Stunt professional is a risky profession. Many often do get injured in their line of work, and some have even died.

It doesn't matter if the outcome is predetermined or not. That's not what makes a sport a sport. What they do in the ring is a sport. They are athletes who wrestle. Just because it's not like other sports doesn't mean it's not a sport. And the matches aren't scripted as much as you think, the daily matches. Big matches are the one's that are heavily planned out, like at Wrestlemania. "Sports Entertainment" says it all. It's sports and entertainment. They use amatuer wrestling moves, they just make it more flamboyant.

 

[Goodieluver]

It doesn't matter if the outcome is predetermined or not. That's not what makes a sport a sport. What they do in the ring is a sport. They are athletes who wrestle. Just because it's not like other sports doesn't mean it's not a sport. And the matches aren't scripted as much as you think, the daily matches. Big matches are the one's that are heavily planned out, like at Wrestlemania. "Sports Entertainment" says it all. It's sports and entertainment. They use amatuer wrestling moves, they just make it more flamboyant.

I object personally to the whole "sports entertainment" spiel mcmahon made his company. By branding it sports entertainment, he wimped out of the "is it a sport or not" argument and allowed him to focus on "entertainment" and not wrestling, which has been the downfall of the business

 

[Goodieluver]

From what I understand, Wrestling matches are rehearsed, choregraphed, scripted very much to a degree. Wrestlers are acting(often horribly) in the ring. This is not to say that some of it is not improvised, but sometimes actors improv too.

When pro-wrestlers enter the ring. They both know who will win and who will loose. This does not change. If you did this any other sport it would be "fixed" and illegal. The competition would be ruined.





A Stunt professional is a risky profession. Many often do get injured in their line of work, and some have even died.

It is impossible to choreograph an entire match move for move. A perfect example is any match that has gone 15-60 mins

the reaction of the crowd is not predetermined. If a wrestler does not compete 100% of his ability and compete charisma style against the other, he may end up gettin released because of "lack of fan interest"

 

[Iggy pop]

It doesn't matter if the outcome is predetermined or not. That's not what makes a sport a sport.

Yeah, there is where I have a disagreement with you. I think it is essential for a sport to be a sport not to have a predetermined outcome. If this happens in another sport, it is considered "fixed" and ruined. Wrestling is scripted, and yes they do employee script writers. Wrestling shares more similarties with scripted entertainment than to actual sporting events.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Yeah, there is where I have a disagreement with you. I think it is essential for a sport to be a sport not to have a predetermined outcome. If this happens in another sport, it is considered "fixed" and ruined. Wrestling is scripted, and yes they do employee script writers. Wrestling shares more similarties with scripted entertainment than to actual sporting events.

Their writes are there to create storylines for the characters. The wrestlers and the road agents handle the wrestling. There are a lot of things that compose a sport. I don't feel that the outcome, predetermined or not, has anything to do with it. Even so, just because wrestling doesn't fit one aspect of what you feel is a sport, does that make it not a sport? It's athlectic, competitive and physical, among other things. Just because it has a pre-determined outcome doesn't make it not a sport. I think that sports such as football, baseball & basketball are more of a sport than professional wrestling, but I still think it's a sport. It just combines other things with the wrestling to make it more entertaining.

 

[Goodieluver]

And the fact that they could get released if they don't do their fake moves well they could get fired makes it a sport? In circus's if the clowns don't get a crowd reaction and pull their weight they'll get fired. Is the clowning a sport? These arguments that try to make a circus or stunt man show in a square ring a sport are pathetic, no disrepect.

Wrestling actually started off as a circus side show


Back to the competition issue, so if a team is practicing and not keeping score, just playin a game together and doing whatnot, does that mean they are not playing a sport because they are not competing and just havin fun?

 

[CitY of MicA]

Well, I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone and their various likes and dislikes. I like professional wrestling just fine, but I wouldn't call it a sport (I really don't see where it makes a difference if you like something whether it's a sport or not, though). Maybe it's just semantics anyway, but there is no athletic competition in a professional wrestling ring. It's theatrical and the wrestler's jobs have a lot in common with stuntmen. A great deal of what they do may not be scripted, but that doesn't make it 'real.' Slaps to the face are done much in the way it would be done in the movies. Wrestlers at the receiving end of a souplex 'jump' into the maneuver to help the other wrestler. And wrestlers have to learn to fall so that they can try to avoid injury while making the moves look authentic. Many of the wrestlers have amateur wrestling experience or competed in collegiate sports, but professional wrestling generally bears only a smattering of resemblance to amateur wrestling.

Back to the competition issue, so if a team is practicing and not keeping score, just playin a game together and doing whatnot, does that mean they are not playing a sport because they are not competing and just havin fun?

I think this is a good question. If one went out to a baskeball court to shoot baskets on one's own, it really might not fall under the heading of a 'sport.' It's athletic- but there's no competition. Riding a bicycle probably becomes sport as soon as one partakes in a race. I think it has to do with the act of competing. If you have a full scrimmage in soccer or play some 3 on 3 in basketball without keeping score, I think you could still refer to it as a sport- you are competing, afterall. I think the tendency in such situations is to keep score, though, thus making the scenario moot.

 

[Iggy pop]

Back to the competition issue, so if a team is practicing and not keeping score, just playin a game together and doing whatnot, does that mean they are not playing a sport because they are not competing and just havin fun?

If before the game starts, the team decides that one side will win and the other side will loose, furthermore before the game they decide the winning and loosing score, and also decide that one team will purposely miss the winning shot, so the hero can recover the ball, and then make the winning shot for his team, I would say that is not a sport.

 

[Iggy pop]

A team doing "whatnot"??? What is whatnot? Whatnot could be blowing their noses into each other's shirts which i'm sure you would somehow consider a sport and attach it to the inconcievable argument that pro-wrestling is an authentic sport with all due respect to you as a member of this forum and a person expressing his opinion. Now are you saying clowning is sport or were you just giving us a trivia fact on wrestling starting out as a clown show cuz if you do think clowning is a sport your crazy.

Look your starting to get personal here. So let's take it down a notch.

 

[isabeau]

I don't know if this issue has been brought up, but i'll bring it up again anyway...it's not a sport, yes it's scripted...and you know why it's not a sport? think about it, if they were really making those type of moves on each other for real and not for acting, damn there would be many dead wrestlers out there..i mean those body slams...those dropping the knee right on someone's head, or chest...that would really injure someone if not kill them..especially the way they are built anymore..

does that make sense? seeing as how i can't express myself always as i wish to..