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WTF Arizona??

So, regardless of whatever political views each side are defending, two great controversies have popped up on either side:

The democrats think that the attack, while not supported or endorsed by the republican party, is a result of the hate-speech that conservatives have been tossing at their parties views and constituents.

The Republicans (or at least Rush Limbaugh) believe that this is a stunt being attempted by the democrats to win sympathy for their viewpoints, and criminalize the opponent demographic.

Certain facts of the matter remain consistent, however; the attacker was diagnosed as having psychosis, delusions of persecution, and possibly schizophrenia. He was unemployed, and a dependent of the state (I think) and they are presently wondering where he acquired $500 with which to purchase guns and ammunition (ironically, from a local walmart) with which to orchestrate the attack.
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Those are the present facts, as according to the abc world news. These are my opinions.
I think that the democrats may be onto something: not that all republicans are criminally insane, but its sort of like John Lennon and "the Catcher in the Rye." The irony of that analogy is that conservatives were the ones who banned that book, holding it accountable for the assassination in a subliminal context. But the latest republican campaigns against the liberal agenda, and the violent context of their slander could easily be manipulated in much the same way. It certainly makes more sense than the shit Limbaugh is spouting.

I guess my standpoint on the matter at present is that there is a plausible aspect to the current accusations against republicans; but the republicans are not DIRECTLY responsible. I'm not here to make conspiracy theories, only to point out that maybe--just maybe--the game of politics is getting just a little out of hand in regard to certain groups.
 
The thing that bothers me about radical assassins is their aim is so poor. In this case, his target selection was also criminally inept. If you're going to stake your life to make a political point, how tragically stupid can you be to make points for every Fox Network-inspired demagogue while leaving your own concerns to be swept from the table?

And how does a nine year old elementary student fit into any of that? Granted, she was noted as being a "politically active student council member," but i don't think the guy had any way of knowing that, nor any interest...
 
And how does a nine year old elementary student fit into any of that? Granted, she was noted as being a "politically active student council member," but i don't think the guy had any way of knowing that, nor any interest...

Did you catch the girl's birthdate? 9/11, 2001. How monumentally fucked-up is that shit?
 
Did you catch the girl's birthdate? 9/11, 2001. How monumentally fucked-up is that shit?
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her father said it best, she was born on a very tragic day, and she died on a very tragic way. by the way, she is also featured in a book called 9/11 babies or something like that that highlighted babies that were born on 9/11
 
How is pointing out the obvious cynical? Even if we eradicate stupidity; there will always be people with mental problems. Until we become "Homo Evolutis", that is.
 
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Did you catch the girl's birthdate? 9/11, 2001. How monumentally fucked-up is that shit?

You know of the 6 victims proclaimed dead, I wonder how many of them could have been avoided if not for Arizona's cutting health care to lower income families. I know there were quite a few retirees on that list, in addition to the child, the judge, and the congresswoman.
The child went to a public school, so there's a decent chance she was one of the more middle-classed lot.
There's so much to criticize here that its actually becoming laughable.

Its like a drunk girl at a party, dancing on a stage, falling off the stage, fracturing her leg, continuing to try to dance, before falling down a flight of stairs.
 
I caught on the news that somebody was going to protest at the little girl's funeral - anybody know what that's all about?
 
i didn't catch Diane tonite, I was too busy cooking. The fact that there are no statutes of public decency to keep anyone from protesting at anyone's funeral still baffles me.
 
i didn't catch Diane tonite, I was too busy cooking. The fact that there are no statutes of public decency to keep anyone from protesting at anyone's funeral still baffles me.

if it's a certain group from Tennisee(?), I wonder of they can let the gunman out again just for them........
 
if it's a certain group from Tennisee(?), I wonder of they can let the gunman out again just for them........

No, it's a certain group from Kansas that we all know and wish death to.
 
Its like a drunk girl at a party, dancing on a stage, falling off the stage, fracturing her leg, continuing to try to dance, before falling down a flight of stairs.


I think you just summed up the last decade in US politics with that statement.
 
The Westboro Baptist Church plans to protest at the funeral, according to the Arizona Daily Star.

How far can one stretch a restraining order? How about 3200mi, in any given direction. In fact, one restraining order for 300yds, for each of the Westboro Church bastards would just about equal some such number.
But getting back to reality, these jackasses have been grating on my nerves since they first showed up. Soldiers who died in combat is one thing altogether atrocious, but a nine year old who was shot by some idiotic lunatic of THEIR political affiliation? Who do they think they are to criticize?

Given that the restraining order thing probably won't fly, I say the funeral goers just chuck canisters of tear gas at them. Or at the very least broken beer bottles. But thats just my opinion.
 
Hopefully they will be kept away so the families will be able to lay their loved ones to rest and grieve in peace.
 
As expected, Sarah Palin's statement today was her usual whinefest about the MSM wrongly attacked her and how anybody who "misinterpreted" her gun rhetoric was a radical lefty blah blah blah. Has that woman ever given a speech where she wasn't claiming to be a Victim of some sort or another? On a day when sane Americans were thinking about the real victims in Arizona, she claimed to be "another victim" in Alaska. If you want to see how morally and intellectually bankrupt the American Right is today, just look at their perpetually whiny and office-quitting postergirl. If she was a comic character, this would be low-brow farce. Unfortunately it's real-life 21st century America.
 
You're joking, right? Sarah Palin has been unfairly attacked and hated, viciously as hell by the left ever since she started running for vice president, and I, for one, am sick to death of it. The liberals bring her name up more often than conservatives do. I've never found anything off-putting about her, but considering how much she's been picked on, I do not want to see her run for president in 2012. It would be bad...
 
"The left wing this..." "The right wing that..."


Feh. I'm starting to develop a hearty dislike for ALL of them.
 
So, regardless of whatever political views each side are defending, two great controversies have popped up on either side:

The democrats think that the attack, while not supported or endorsed by the republican party, is a result of the hate-speech that conservatives have been tossing at their parties views and constituents.

The Republicans (or at least Rush Limbaugh) believe that this is a stunt being attempted by the democrats to win sympathy for their viewpoints, and criminalize the opponent demographic.

Certain facts of the matter remain consistent, however; the attacker was diagnosed as having psychosis, delusions of persecution, and possibly schizophrenia. He was unemployed, and a dependent of the state (I think) and they are presently wondering where he acquired $500 with which to purchase guns and ammunition (ironically, from a local walmart) with which to orchestrate the attack.
******
Those are the present facts, as according to the abc world news. These are my opinions.
I think that the democrats may be onto something: not that all republicans are criminally insane, but its sort of like John Lennon and "the Catcher in the Rye." The irony of that analogy is that conservatives were the ones who banned that book, holding it accountable for the assassination in a subliminal context. But the latest republican campaigns against the liberal agenda, and the violent context of their slander could easily be manipulated in much the same way. It certainly makes more sense than the shit Limbaugh is spouting.

I guess my standpoint on the matter at present is that there is a plausible aspect to the current accusations against republicans; but the republicans are not DIRECTLY responsible. I'm not here to make conspiracy theories, only to point out that maybe--just maybe--the game of politics is getting just a little out of hand in regard to certain groups.

Obviously people here can't seem to look past their own bias to see what has happened. Some devil warshiping pot head (I know there will be flack about that so LOOK IT UP!) went off the edge. Dono what walmar YOU shop at, but walmart NEVER sold pistols. The folks in the main stream news thought instantly about a chance to blame their political enimies. This guy was obsesed with the senator for years, long before anyone outside of Alaska ever heard of Sarah Palin, but people never skip a chance to get in a shot to make her look bad. And the Tea parties who DON'T advocate violence were accused which also was a false accusation. The talk show hosts who were only trying to defend themselves from false accusation only talk about it because they were also being blamed for it. Meanwhile SIX people died (including a federal judge...gee can any of the geiniouses here even tell me his name without using google?) and 13 others wounded, but because there was a Democratic Senator was wounded, the rest just go by the way side and the whole thing turns into a political circus! What would the sentiments be if it were a Republican Senator? I doubt there would be much mention other than 'good ridence' from a bunch of morons who probably couldn't even name the vice president! As far as the gun issue goes, dose anyone think that a wako would be hindered from killing someone if they realy want to if guns were banned?
 
Obviously people here can't seem to look past their own bias to see what has happened. Some devil warshiping pot head (I know there will be flack about that so LOOK IT UP!) went off the edge. Dono what walmar YOU shop at, but walmart NEVER sold pistols. The folks in the main stream news thought instantly about a chance to blame their political enimies. This guy was obsesed with the senator for years, long before anyone outside of Alaska ever heard of Sarah Palin, but people never skip a chance to get in a shot to make her look bad. And the Tea parties who DON'T advocate violence were accused which also was a false accusation. The talk show hosts who were only trying to defend themselves from false accusation only talk about it because they were also being blamed for it. Meanwhile SIX people died (including a federal judge...gee can any of the geiniouses here even tell me his name without using google?) and 13 others wounded, but because there was a Democratic Senator was wounded, the rest just go by the way side and the whole thing turns into a political circus! What would the sentiments be if it were a Republican Senator? I doubt there would be much mention other than 'good ridence' from a bunch of morons who probably couldn't even name the vice president! As far as the gun issue goes, dose anyone think that a wako would be hindered from killing someone if they realy want to if guns were banned?

Firstly, you can find a gun anywhere in Arizona. They sell them in the mall for example.
Secondly, I never said anything about my "political enemies" or the poor defensive talk show host.
Thirdly, yes, the judge, innocent old people, and nine year old girl have all been taken into account several times over. Thanks for reading the entirety of the thread before posting.
Lastly, we've all been watching the news, not that the name of the vice president (Biden; it wasn't hard to recount--the man makes a spectacle of himself whenever he's on television) and we all know that the guy was some crazy fuck (dunno about pothead) who was stalking a congresswoman prior to attempting her murder. No one's saying that any party is directly responsible for "hiring" him to kill anyone. All i'm is saying that somebody that diluted could have possibly been influenced by the republican party's method of villainizing political figures, and advertising politics like some sort of warfare.
Also, if it had been a republican congresswoman, the media probably still would have covered a homicidal rampage, and more than likely the fact that a congressman was among the wounded wouldn't escape them.

So if anyone here is displaying a political "bias" its the people responding so vehemently and so irrelevantly to idle speculation. Republicans have been "speculating" for years; this type of conversation is nothing new. There "might be" weapons of mass destruction for example. And no one, as usual, has said anything about gun control. Though it was said that in the first walmart the guy tried to buy a gun, he was turned down for acting suspicious. In the second, he was able to get it. Apparently this was the day of; there was no waiting period, and apparently no psychological evaluation. As is legally required by every state it would seem other than Arizona. Try looking some of this stuff up first before condescending so much.
 
. And no one, as usual, has said anything about gun control. QUOTE]

Well if you mean on this thread, then obviously YOU are the one who hasn't read the whold thread *namely page two*

Or if you aren't speaking of the thread then you just aren't paying attention. New York Congressman Peter King has been trying to impose a law which out laws any fire arm within 1000 feet of any federal official, as if that can be enforced or will be the least bit effective.

I'd correct you on the rest of the stuff you obviously don't know what you're talking about, but it's Saturday and I've got better things to do than trying to educate others. Maybe Monday!

Peace!
 
I doubt very much if he was a pothead and did this, I don,t smoke it myself but I know people that do and they are not violent nor do they have the energy or the thought process to carry all this mayhem and tragedy out. So get your facts straight before making obsurd accusations. This guy was mentally ill, probably schizophrenic, paranoid and hearing voices. Did you see his photo, the lights are on but nobody,s home. He should have been placed in treatment long before this ever took place. Up here it is next to impossible to obtain a handgun let alone an automatic weapon. A thousand feet, wow, considering that a 22cal. is dangerous up to a mile and a half, I know, I have a 22cal rifle that has been gathering rust and dust for 6 yrs. and it can rust away to nothing as far as I,m concerned.
 
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Obviously people here can't seem to look past their own bias to see what has happened. Some devil warshiping pot head

I didn't know the devil had war ships! Where does he recruit? I'll bring my marijuana next time I visit the port.
 
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