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WWF fans: your opinion on Steve Austin vs WWE

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i know there are some wrestling fans on this board and i just want to know what you think about Stone Cold walking out on the WWE. in case you havent heard, SCSA last Monday Night (6/10/02) left for home to San Antonio INSTEAD of performing on RAW that night. according to websites, SCSA just left with no warning. last night on TNN, the WWE show "Confidential", Vince McMahon and Jim Ross spoke on the situation. they had a few choice words for Steve Austin.

my take is this. i think SCSA is being a b****. we fans all know the WWE isnt as "exciting" as it was, but he still needs to stick this out. this isnt the 1st time Austin has done some strange things "behind the scenes". personally, i think the fame has gotten him a big head. true, he helped put WWF over WCW when WCW actually had good ratings. BUT, he has to remember who put him there. THE FANS. for him to high tail it out of there is wrong. i thought a few years back, Austin learned his lesson. the funny thing about professional wrestling is that no matter how "large" you become, no matter how successful your career is, there will ALWAYS someone who will come along and will be bigger. think about it. did you EVER think someone could achieve the fame as Hulk Hogan did in the 1980's? after Hogan left, it was Bret Hart. then Shawn Michaels. then SCSA. then the Rock. the Undertaker. Triple H. the business is cyclic. Steve Austin realized this a few years back and that's why he returned full of energy. he saw that people like the Rock and Triple H could carry the business.

i like looking at what happened to the former stars. look at Bret Hart. i see him as a bitter, washed up guy who to this day still blames Vince for his troubles. Bret needs to grow up. look at Rena Mero aka Sable. she did a Playboy spread, thought she could be a major star and had a big head. now what is she doing? same with Chyna. she was a major star, did a Playboy spread, then her head got big. now she is in Celebrity boxing getting tossed around by Joey Buttafuco. sad isnt it? i am glad that Hogan realized this and you see him now as a "team" player in the WWE. the only one who could possibly be bigger without WWE is the Rock. but the Rock isnt growing a big head and realizes he will always be a part of the WWE. for everyone else, WWE is it for them. they wont be known anywhere outside of it. i hope the talent realizes this because guess what? Stars come and go, but who is still there? Vince McMahon. some people may hate Vince in real life and some may like him, but you have to admit, Vince is the reason why WWE is still going on. Vince will find a new star. history has shown that to be the case. the WWE isnt as good now, but again this is a cycle. i remember when i pretty much stopped watching wrestling after Hogan left. Bret Hart was cool, but it wasnt the same. then the late 90's came and i got hooked again. WWE may be going through its "valley" now, but it will rise again. again, history has shown this to be true.

so, what do you fans think?
 
Personally, I do think the WWE has taken a slump since the whole "split". Of course, I'm biased, because I can't watch Smackdown (Damn UPN for not allowing Time-Warner to broadcast in Eastern North Carolina!). Even though I'm only getting half the performance, I'm still gonna enjoy it. I'm not gonna stop watching because one guy decided to go UA.
Also, I think I was more satisfied with what happened on Monday than what would've happened if Austin was there. Storywise, I'm glad Vince MacMahon "took" complete ownership of the WWE. Vince MacMahon was always a much more interesting heel than Ric Flair was. I think Ric Flair does better as the psychotic, drunken, senile old man that struts around the ring and does knee drops to the mat.

😱 WOOOOOOOOOO!!! 😱
 
Well, the whole question is academic right now, since Austin apparently got a visit from the cops on Saturday after he beat up Debra; if that, combined with his walkout on Monday, doesn't kill his career, I don't know what will. (Scott Hall and Eddie Guerrero may have gotten second chances, but wifebeating is quite a different crime from drug abuse.)

As for Austin's behavior: I can understand him being unhappy; I think the WWF has been missing something for a while now, and bringing in fossils like Nash, Hall, Hogan, and HBK wasn't the solution. But that doesn't excuse Austin's behavior at all.

This is definitely a tough break for the WWF, though. With Austin probably gone and the Rock having not appeared since The Scorpion King came out, they're short their two biggest names. The top face on Raw right now is Flair, and then Booker T and RVD, who may be popular but who have nothing near Austin's star power.
 
http://www.prowrestlingtorch.com/cgi-bin/topstories.cgi?topstories/2002/20020616_18444
I hope that link works. That was alot of typing. It leads to the report on the PW Torch covering Austin beating up Deborah.
Austin didn't realise soon enough that he should have looked at The Rock and taken a page from his book. The Rock frequently takes breaks for months at a time, which keeps his character fresh. Austin has just ran out of workable story lines. He allowed his character to stagnate.
 
I would like to know just what Stone Cold had coming up next in the storyline that was planned for him. As it stood, he and Ric Flair were suppose to wrestle a match where the loser became the winners personal assistant. As Flair stated, this would include doing anything from domestic chores to wearing a dress, whatever the winner wanted.
While Austin won the match, right before it started, his wife Debra noticed an error in the contract where it stated "if the WINNER won the match, he would be the LOSER'S assistant".(from what it sounded like to me, anyway)
Regardless of the terms, Austin should've shown up on Raw last monday, only for what Vince and J.R. said this past weekend: He had a respondsiblilty to the fans and to his fellow co-workers. That comes first before anything else.
And while I admit the writing, presentation, and the whole situation with the brand extension is not working, that's no reason to walk off the job when entertaining a crowd.
It's like an actor or musician refusing to perform because he's unhappy, that's unacceptable. Remember the old phrase -"The Show Must Go ON"?

Drew
 
Wow, what the hell happened here? Stone Cold Steve Austin has not had a good week. Obviously, it's his own doing....I think he's had one too many "Steve-weisers."

I can only hope that during police questioning, he does not respond to all questions with : "What? What? What?":sowrong: :sowrong: :sowrong:
 
I haven't seen anything more specific than "Austin was unhappy with creative issues" so far. If you saw Confidential on Saturday, you may remember that clip of him they showed saying that the writing just sucks. (Which it mostly does, but that's another topic entirely.)

Apparently he was scheduled to wrestle Brock Lesnar in last Monday's main event, and there are some rumors going around that he walked out rather than job to Lesnar, but at this point there's no way to prove it -- no one knows how the match was supposed to have gone except for the people who would have been involved.
 
Wrestlingplanet.com has said that he was indeed supposed to job to Mr. Lesnar, but Austin said it wasn't a good idea to just throw a new guy into a main event spot like that with no real rivalry going and that it needed to be built up for a few weeks before the actual match took place.
 
Frankly, I think that Steve is burned out and should have arranged for an extended vacation. The way he walked out is unforgivable from a business standpoint. This not being the first time he's done this, I dont hink they should take him back. I'm really dissappointed. I liked the character and his ability.

As for the writing...it's been lousy (and lazy) for a while now. They're rehashing the same tired routines over and over on one side and not giving time to develop story lines on the other. Heck, I could do better writing than what they've had lately. I don't know if the writers have changed that much or are just showing the wear of having to constantly change things d/t injuries and such. But, with Vince's money, you would think they could get fresh people in there if needed.

Hmmm...maybe that should be my new job?

Ann
 
i think there is more going on besides "tired storylines" with Steve Austin. now we have reports on him beating his wife. i think there is something going on in Steve's life that is really affecting him. if anyone watched Confidential, Jim Ross even said that SCSA worked his tail off. for him to do this is shocking and disappointing. now we hear hime hurting his own wife. i really think there is something going on in Austin's personal life that is affecting him very badly. it cant be just "creative differences".

about WWE storylines. yeah, they kind of suck right now, but in a way, it is time for a new star to emerge. that's why the storylines are boring. how many different ways will we see Austin, Rock, Triple H, and Undetaker feud? that was one of the resons why i liked the "Invasion" angle last year. it wanst that good, but at least it brought fresh faces and new posible rivals. the WWE needs new main eventers. so, someone has to step up.

i think WCW's demise had a part of this. without competition, it is hard to motivate yourself. since WWE has a monopoly, it has to figure out a way to keep everyone entertained. with a rival company, your juices flow more easily. right now, pro wrestling is in a "valley", but it will hit a "peak" again. its only a matter of time.
 
Stone Cold certainly had a marketable character, and I'm sure he sold alot of merchandise, but as far as work IN the ring, he was sub-par at best. He was totally reliant on the story lines.
I remember a few years back when HBK was still champ. He defended the title against Mankind, who had just recently entered thw WWF. With practically no build up at all, they put on one of the most entertaining matches I've ever seen.
Austin kicks and punches, does the Thesz Press and the Stunner, and that's IT. Even before his neck injury he wasn't a thrilling performer.
The unfortunate thing is, now that he's been labled a wife beater, I dopn't see much merchandise being sold, even if the WWE let's him come back.
 
Just a small point that's not entirely significant to the whole thread...

There's a big difference between putting Brock Lesnar in a main event and Mankind versus Shawn Michaels. Mankind, though new to the WWF at the time, was still a well-known performer, recognized as the psychotic Cactus Jack. Brock Lesnar, on the other hand, is just another Goldberg in the making. I don't really find him all that impressive, because he doesn't have an in-ring personality at all. As a matter of fact, I think he has yet to say one word. I can only watch some giant, angry-looking, poster child for the Aryan race pummel the hell out of smaller guys for so long before it becomes tiring. I think a more interesting storyline to develop for Brock Lesnar would be to have him pop positive on a drug test for juicing. I could imagine the look on Paul Heyman's face when an official would tell him that Brock is suspended from action due to abuse of a controlled substance. That would be funny. Who the hell are you gonna pummel when you're sittin' in rehab, buddy?
 
Flatfoot-- You are correct about Lesnar not being Mick Foley. I certainly didn't mean to infer that.
I was simply pointing out how much wrestling has changed in the last few years. Especially as far as "in ring" talent is concerned.
My point was that Shawn Michaels always put on a 5 star match. Granted, it shortened his career. Nowadays these guys are TOTALLY reliant upon the story lines.
Ric Flair in his prime (all of 80's and early 90's) also never failed. Even now, I actually enjoy his matches the most. His PPV matches against Vince and Undertaker were the best matches on those cards. At one point I considered Curt Hennig to be one of the best, but that time has certainly past. During his original run as Mr Perfect he was one of the top guys.
Although Triple H isn't the best worker I've ever seen, I think he is the most rounded wrestler in the WWE. By rounded, I mean that he combines the "story" element with the in ring work. If HHH is in the ring with a top guy, like Mick Foley, then you're going to see a top notch match. HHH really is the Game.
I hope Austin saved his money. Even if he does come back, he won't be selling any merchandise.
 
Damn

I am shocked. I just got back from New Mexico to read and see all about this. I loved Stone Cold.....I find it hard to believe that he did this.....It really is awful.....I guess he should put himself 1st though.....He did have the strongest work-rate of anyone there.....oh well.....GO HBK!!! nWo baby!! Awww who am I kiddin, this blows. :sowrong:
 
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In defense of Austin's work: Injuries or not, he definitely put a lot more effort into his matches than others of similar age and condition (I'm looking at YOU, Kevin Nash, and YOU, Undertaker) -- and it showed. His moveset was always limited after his neck got broken, but he was still the most reliably entertaining of the main eventers -- go watch his matches from last year with Triple H or Kurt Angle, f'r instance.

None of which, of course, excuses his behavior in this case.

As for the Lesnar/Goldberg comparisons: I'll believe them if he wins King of the Ring (at this point, it's almost certainly going to be either Lesnar or RVD; so much for my hopes for King Booker). At least the WWF seems aware that it needs new blood, bringing in guys like Lesnar, Rico, Randy Orton, Chris Nowinski, and so on.
 
a bit confused.....

After seeing RAW last night, I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't all a story line. I expected Vince to come out and have something to say. But to follow up with all of the other mentions makes it sound like a bit gag. If he's really gone, then they should let it be...not play up a possible return and jerk the audience around. Last night, when his music started before Eddie came out, the audience went nuts. They obviously aren't convinced of the truth of all of this...and neither am I.

The wife beating part was in the regular news. But, I don't even trust that to be true, since I only saw it covered by one news agency. Vince could have payed them to do it. Though I'd be really annoyed at them for doing it, I'm hoping that's the case and that this IS all a story. Frankly, I expect Steve to show up at King of the Ring and pull something. We'll see....

Ann
 
Both slashwrestling.com and thesmokinggun.com have copies of the police report on the wife-beating incident. While it's remotely possible that Vince might have paid off a local news station to report a fake story, do you really think the San Antonio Police Department would file a fake report just for the sake of a wrestling angle? That's the sort of thing that would backfire badly on all parties involved.

Even if it is an angle and Austin pulls a surprise return, I can't see what the payoff would be. How does it benefit Austin's character to fake a walkout, disappear for a while, and then suddenly pop up again? Unless they're going to turn him heel again, how does it benefit Austin to be seen as a wife-beater?
 
Well I'm gonna miss that beer swilling redneck, now if ull excuse me im gonna go down a couple of Steveweisers 😎
 
Ya know, Ann? I was also a little pissed after watching RAW, last night. As soon as they started the whole "cell phone lookout" crap, I was just thinking to myself, "That really isn't cool to advertise something you can't provide. Shame on Vince MacMahon. I expect a HELLUVA lot more from him!" In all the years I've been watching wrestling, I think last night was the first time I've ever actually been disappointed by an episode of RAW. It takes a LOT for wrestling to leave a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I think Vince wanted to measure the difference between the crowd's anger that there was no Austin, as opposed to their enthusiasm for seeing the Rock. I must honestly say that I didn't hear any Austin chants while the Rock was speaking, nor did I hear any "What"s.
Wether Austin comes back or not, he needs to be away for a while. His character has stagnated, which is the source of the whole problem to begin with.
I also hate it when the promoters false advertise. Before WCW folded they used to blatantly false advertise.
I think McMahon was trying to send a message to Austin with the false advertising. If you recall, the night after Bret Hart and Montreal, that Shawn Michaels said "Bret will be on Raw tonight". They ended up having a midget come out dressed as Bret. Anyone who saw "Wrestling With Shadows" knows what Bret's reaction was, as they showed him watching it live from home. You can only wonder what Austin was thinking or expecting when he heard them saying he would be there, when he knew for a fact that he wouldn't be.
 
OK...let's assume the police report is valid (I hadn't seen the other sites that showed/had seen them). If Steve is having personal problems, maybe a forced leave of absence is the real reason for him being MIA and his frustration over that played in to the incident with Deborah? It will be interesting to see how this all comes out in the wash. If it's a game, I'm really going to be ticked off by it!

Ann
 
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