Young adults and being sexually responsible [slight rant]

[chicago]

If I did it has kept me from having to worry about any situations that have been discussed in the thread. People can have sex w/o a condom and still be safe. Wearing a condom doesn't equal safe sex.

There is *proof* against what you are saying. So you have to understand how you sound to the rest of the people responding to this thread.

Condoms are 99.9% affective

With a condom there's no need to "pull-out" if you use it correctly.

Trying to use the "pull out" method while having unprotected sex, is at least, dangerous, as there is a thing called "pre-cum" which has sperm in it.

Did you learn this in high school?

 

[Midnight Circus]

I don't think there's anything wrong with having sex because you are horny, it's all about safety. There's nothing wrong with sex as long as you are safe when you do it.

I lol'd. Hard.

There is *proof* against what you are saying. So you have to understand how you sound to the rest of the people responding to this thread.

Hilarious? Because I think I just got it. See, my friend is like this...he'll take the most inane, impossibly ignorant position on something just to see how the other person will react. I just got the joke.

Dude's a genius, because there's no way that he can believe what he says to be true.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

There is *proof* against what you are saying. So you have to understand how you sound to the rest of the people responding to this thread.

Condoms are 99.9% affective

With a condom there's no need to "pull-out" if you use it correctly.

Trying to use the "pull out" method while having unprotected sex, is at least, dangerous, as there is a thing called "pre-cum" which has sperm in it.

Did you learn this in high school?

99.9 does not equal 100%. Abstinence is th safest, most reliable method. You can use a condom and still have to worry about this or that, but I do understand that condoms make you safer. Some people don't want to use condoms. If they use the "pull out" method and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

 

[chicago]

99.9 does not equal 100%. Abstinence is th safest, most reliable method. You can use a condom and still have to worry about this or that, but I do understand that condoms make you safer. Some people don't want to use condoms. If they use the "pull out" method and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

That's like playing chicken with a train, and just because YOU haven't been injured, saying "It's cool, it's fine! Totally safe."

 

[Bagelfather]

Nonsense

Dude, I'm talking down and dirty fucking; knockin' the bottom outta that thang, taking the skin boat to Tuna Town, pouring the coal to that hot oven; gettin laid, gettin some sugar, gettin lucky; taking junior on a spelunking expedition; doing the nasty, ... I might attack from a rear approach; taking it down the Old Dirt Road; the Hershey Highway; the Chocolate Channel; the Cocoa Canal; the Bosco Boulevard; can you dig it? Oooooh, bad choice of words on my part! ~

Not so much a bad choice of words but ones which display the appropriate level of bravado that existed in that war zone when dealing with prostitution. It also is a sign of ignorance in regards to the topic if this is your choice of words to discuss a serious topic.

The scientific community??! And around here, that would be who? You and the "Bay of Pigs?" Sorry pal. You weren't there. I was. You see, at that time in Korea, all of the working girls were required to get a medical checkup once a week. Ahjimah pays for this. Also the girls were required to present a VD card stamped with their most recent test results upon request of any prospective client. Ahjimah will have all her girls inspected on the same day and pay a flat fee.

For example, the girls from The Lion's Den went every Tuesday, while the girls from the Crown Club went every Thursday. So Tuesday nights I was at the Lion's Den, and Thursday nights I was at the Crown Club. I'd make sure they were checked that day plus I knew most of their history. All the girls were either on birth control or had hysterectomies, so pregnancy wasn't an issue.

Once again ignorance reigns supreme in regard to pregnancy and STDs.
I do not see why pregnancy would ever be an issue if you found out she was it would be difficult to prove and you could just move on and leave her. Making pregnancy a point involving prostitutes is poor argument.

The card may be up to date but that might work under the following circumstances:

1) The cards were real and not fraudulent. I am sure in Korea with its economy in a terrible state of affairs would not be subject to corruption or fraud, where a doctor could be paid off to sign off on a VD card when there was not test, or the test was not clean.

2) If the lady in question had seen no other clients before you. As the test is not up to date for each client if she saw 3 other customers before you and those guys did not use condoms and if some of them were not as 'careful' as you then you are vulnerable.

3) The lady is telling you the truth and cares about you and not about your hard earned American money.

4) The test was 100% accurate and there were no errors or false negatives (or positives) and was done under exacting standards that are monitored by the government for accuracy, and that these labs are not subject to bribery or corruption by doctors or the girls.

5) That a STD contracted shows up immediately the next day and there is no incubation period, or that Korean doctors had futuristic technology to discover the time for incubation periods:

Specific STD Window Periods

Gonorrhea: The incubation period for Gonorrhea is usually 2 to 7 days.

Chlamydia: The incubation period for Chlamydia is usually 2 to 6 weeks, but can be longer.

Syphilis: The incubation period for Syphilis is usually 10 to 90 days.

HIV: The window period for HIV is usually 2 weeks to 3 months, but could be up to 6 months.

Hepatitis A: The incubation period for Hepatitis A is 15 to 50 days.

Hepatitis B: The incubation period for Hepatitis B is usually 45-180 days, with an average of 60 to 90 days.

Hepatitis C: The incubation period for Hepatitis C ranges from 2 weeks to 6 months - commonly, 6 to 9 weeks.

If you truly did not catch something then you are extremely fortunate and it is not a matter of how you did your tests but just blind luck.

Like I said. Common sense. No rocket science. Simply keeping in mind the potential consequences and never letting your dick take control. The other guys there were catching shit right and left because their dicks would lead and they would follow.

Based on your language earlier I have a difficult time differentiating you and the other guys except that you used information on STD's that came from "Never Never Land" or out of a Cracker Jack Box.

 

[storm7400]

99.9 does not equal 100%. Abstinence is th safest, most reliable method. You can use a condom and still have to worry about this or that, but I do understand that condoms make you safer. Some people don't want to use condoms. If they use the "pull out" method and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

You do realize that semen is actually released before you "get off" and that can lead to pregnancy. Just because you "pull out" before you "get off" doesn't me that there aren't some boys swimming up stream. Besides the "pull out" method is usually a strategy for misinformed teenagers. Don't be a fool, wrap your tool!

 

[Azrael]

That's like playing chicken with a train, and just because YOU haven't been injured, saying "It's cool, it's fine! Totally safe."

Well put.

Pulling out was proven completely ineffective thousands of years ago, when people noticed that women still got pregnant when it was employed. And, seriously, how can a person say that unprotected sex is perfectly okay because condoms are "only 99.9% effective?"

If you "don't like to use protection," you're too immature to be fucking.

 

[Bagelfather]

Think before you f*ck

That's like playing chicken with a train, and just because YOU haven't been injured, saying "It's cool, it's fine!"

I have to agree with you. When I was in high school I dated a gal and did not use protection. I was lucky and I did not get her pregnant and I seemed to be STD safe, and I was a complete idiot in this regard.

I found out 2 years later she was cheating on me with 5 other guys. I immediately got my first HIV test. I remember (14 years later) what the college free clinic doctor said to me when I got my test results.

Doctor: "How are you feeling?"
Me: "Scared, and very nervous."
Doctor: "Your test results are negative. The next time you think about having unprotected sex again remember that feeling."

With my recent girlfriends I had full STD screens before we had any unprotected sex and my last one was on the pill and my current one has been spayed (her words). We both get tested every 6 months still as she has another lover. For the first 6 months we used a condom.

You cannot ever reduce the odds to zero without complete abstinence but you can make it far less riskier.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

You do realize that semen is actually released before you "get off" and that can lead to pregnancy. Just because you "pull out" before you "get off" doesn't me that there aren't some boys swimming up stream. Besides the "pull out" method is usually a strategy for misinformed teenagers. Don't be a fool, wrap your tool!

People of all ages use the "pull out" method. People can pull out w/o getting someone pregnant.

 

[chicago]

People of all ages use the "pull out" method. People can pull out w/o getting someone pregnant.

That doesn't make it a smart choice.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

That's like playing chicken with a train, and just because YOU haven't been injured, saying "It's cool, it's fine! Totally safe."

I'm not saying anything is cool because I haven't been affected, it's ok for people who do it properly. You don't agree that the pull out method can be used safely?

 

[chicago]

I'm not saying anything is cool because I haven't been affected, it's ok for people who do it properly. You don't agree that the pull out method can be used safely?

No, I don't. There is no "proper" way to use the pull-out method because no matter how you use it, you're risking STDs and pregnancy.

 

[GodlessTickler]

People of all ages use the "pull out" method. People can pull out w/o getting someone pregnant.

People can have any manner of unprotected sex and not get people pregnant. People can win the lotto. People can be struck by lightning... TWICE. That doesn't mean those are good bets. Are you basing this on ANY scientific study, or ANY information from a reliable source... I really do hope your not basing it on personal experience, but even if you are, your getting lucky does not prove a good method for sexual safety.

If they use the "pull out" method and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

Well... because... you cant. That would be the problem. They DO face the consequences (because RISK is the consequence of unprotected sex, anyone can get lucky, or unlucky). If fluids are exchanged, they risk exposure to std's, if sperm are exchanged they risk pregnancy. Do you have any evidence to offer for the incredible validity of the pull out method other than your opinion, because it actually sounds like you are saying that the pull out method is 100% effective if done correctly. If you really believe this, PLEASE, go talk with a doctor or other health care professional, maybe you will have a bit more respect for their opinion and they can explain to you why you are completely confused and wrong on this issue.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

That doesn't make it a smart choice.

I didn't say it was. I'm just saying that these things don't always have to end up in a negative way. The chances aren't in their favor but it doesn't equal doom. I'm not advocating the pulling out or saying it's as safe as using a condom.

 

[chicago]

I didn't say it was. I'm just saying that these things don't always have to end up in a negative way. The chances aren't in their favor but it doesn't equal doom. I'm not advocating the pulling out or saying it's as safe as using a condom.

You ARE, though, advocating it as a perfectly fine choice. And claim there is nothing to worry about if done "correctly."

(And there is no "correct" way to use the pull out method, unless you're "pulling out" a condom and putting it on before penetration."

 

[Tickle Fiend]

You ARE, though, advocating it as a perfectly fine choice. And claim there is nothing to worry about if done "correctly."

When I say correctly, I mean w/o getting a female pregnant. I'm not telling people to do it. I'm saying that people who do it "correctly" aren't necessarily making the wrong decision or living their sex lives the wrong way. Some of it has to do with luck and some with knowing what the hell you are doing.

 

[chicago]

When I say correctly, I mean w/o getting a female pregnant. I'm not telling people to do it. I'm saying that people who do it "correctly" aren't necessarily making the wrong decision or living their sex lives the wrong way. Some of it has to do with luck and some with knowing what the hell you are doing.

You don't make any sense though. Just because one doesn't get a female pregnant, doesn't mean they're doing it the right way. I mean, just because I run into oncoming traffic and manage not to get hit, doesn't mean I'm crossing the street the correct way, does it?

The thing here is, there is no "knowing what the hell you are doing," in terms of pulling out. If you knew what the hell you were doing, you wouldn't be using the pull out method to begin with.

 

[LindyHopper]

Wearing a condom doesn't equal safe sex.

I know you clarified your position in later posts, but this one made me think of one tack that some abstinence-only sex education programs have been known to use:

Presenter says, "What are the risks of unprotected sex?"
[Puts up a list that reads, "Pregnancy, AIDS, gonorrhea, syphillis, etc....."]

Then presenter says, "What are the risks of having sex while wearing a condom?"
[Puts up exactly the same list: "Pregnancy, AIDS, gonorrhea, syphillis, etc....."]

Presenter concludes, "The only 100% effective method of protection is abstinence."

Of course, the take-home message for most of the impressionable young people in the audience is, "Whoa! Having sex with a condom has all the same risks as having sex without one! I guess there's no point in using them." A message which is, of course, worse than nothing.

All of the safer-sex methods we use are aimed at reducing risk, not eliminating it. The pill vastly reduces the risk of unintended pregnancy (though as kis123 rightly pointed out, not to 0.00%). Using a condom reduces the risk of pregancy and most STDs, to the tune of over 90%. Even drew70's questionable brothel behavior did reduce his risk: though he was foolish to assume that checking VD cards and asking about birth control pills eliminated all risk, it certainly was safer than taking no precautions at all. And the pullout method is less likely to cause pregnancy than not pulling out.

The key is to know how much risk you're taking. The pill has a lower failure rate (for pregnancy) than condoms. Condoms have better STD prevention rates than any other method available. The pullout method has failure rates of about 25%, meaning that about 25% of women using this as their sole method of protection will become pregnant within one year. That, to most people, is too much risk.

The ability to weigh levels of risk requires precisely the information that abstinence advocates attempt to keep under wraps, and requires skills that admonissions of "JUST DON'T FUCK!" miss entirely. Every time I see posts like those from Tickle_Fiend05 or drew70 in this thread, it makes me think that someone wasn't doing their job in teaching them well.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

You don't make any sense though. Just because one doesn't get a female pregnant, doesn't mean they're doing it the right way. I mean, just because I run into oncoming traffic and manage not to get hit, doesn't mean I'm crossing the street the correct way, does it?

The thing here is, there is no "knowing what the hell you are doing," in terms of pulling out. If you knew what the hell you were doing, you wouldn't be using the pull out method to begin with.

If you run across the street while the cars are at a safe distance then you're doing it right. Isn't that the point of pulling out? To keep from getting that person pregnant? That's why people pull out and if they succeed then they did it right.

 

[storm7400]

When I say correctly, I mean w/o getting a female pregnant. I'm not telling people to do it. I'm saying that people who do it "correctly" aren't necessarily making the wrong decision or living their sex lives the wrong way. Some of it has to do with luck and some with knowing what the hell you are doing.

Its arguments and thoughts such as this that make older people look down on younger people. You're arguing a ridiculous point with inane logic just to argue. Grow up junior!

 

[chicago]

If you run across the street while the cars are at a safe distance then you're doing it right. Isn't that the point of pulling out? To keep from getting that person pregnant? That's why people pull out and if they succeed then they did it right.

No, because there's SPERM in the stuff that comes out of your PENIS before you cum. Do you understand?

Have you had sex with a woman?

I can't imagine someone over the age of 14 being serious about the "pull out method"

And I can't imagine my arguing with that person about it for this long.

So you keep "pulling out" my friend.

I'll look forward to the Baby Mama Drama thread. 😉

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Its arguments and thoughts such as this that make older people look down on younger people. You're arguing a ridiculous point with inane logic just to argue. Grow up junior!

Even though there are people who live their lives like this of all ages. It has nothing to do with age.

 

[Redmage]

If they use the "pull out" method and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

If they play in traffic, get lucky, and never face any of the potential consequences, then what's the problem?

The problem is that they're taking foolish chances.

Saying "If they don't get hit then they did it correctly" is ridiculous. It's like saying that they're playing Russian Roulette "correctly" every time the hammer lands on an empty cylinder.

There is no skill involved in the withdrawal method, because your body does things (like release semen before you climax) that make "skill" irrelevant.

 

[LindyHopper]

If you run across the street while the cars are at a safe distance then you're doing it right. Isn't that the point of pulling out? To keep from getting that person pregnant? That's why people pull out and if they succeed then they did it right.

That totally reminds me of parents who say, "I beat my kid to a bloody pulp and he didn't end up in prison. That means I did it right."

You can't look at a single outcome and use it as a guide to best practice. Please see my previous post (bottom of the previous page - we hit "Submit Reply" within a minute of each other, so you probably missed it) about failure rates and weighing levels of risk.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Some of you are just trying to make this out to be the worst decision a person can make. Pulling out has it's advantages and disadvantages just like any other form of birth control.