Members Misrepresenting Themselves

[ZenTickling]

I posted a discussion under this same title a few days ago, then asked the mods to remove it because I thought I was wrong and didn't want to come across as a dick. However, I met face to face with the model today and talked about the whole situation. She wasn't all that upset, but I certainly was.

Apparently she saw a craigslist ad looking for ticklish models, and it sounds like a 'professional' tickling producer. She went to the shoot expecting exactly that. When she got there, she was extremely surprised (and uncomfortable) to find that it was actually a private session. An escort accompanied her, so she was totally safe.. but still. A member here wanting a private tickle session should not be impersonating a tickling producer.

The ad requires women of a certain age and foot size. A picture is required, and the women are paid hourly. It is posted under the jobs/gigs section.

I'm a bit uncertain whether or not to unmask this person. To a fetish model I think it would appear to be legitimate work, and I think this person should have made it very clear that this was a personal session. Thoughts?

 

[Coda]

That does sound misleading, off-hand. Presuming there was no intention of any kind of video production at all, I would equivocate this with an advertisement for a role on an informative web clip about dating, posted by someone just looking for a date.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I posted in your last thread but I never saw if you responded to my comment.

I'll reiterate. I agree that this is uncool, but I'm not sure why you're adopting it as your problem. It's a sketchy guy posting a sketchy ad on craigslist. Anyone with sense would go in with skepticism, which it sounds like your model friend did, going with an escort and all that. He's not breaking any laws. Leave it between him and the people who interact with him.

 

[ZenTickling]

What I was thinking. She told me she expected the 'job' to be almost identical to what her and I do.. meaning a professional experience, model release form, etc. That wasn't what she got, and she said it was a little creepy.

 

[ZenTickling]

I posted in your last thread but I never saw if you responded to my comment.

I'll reiterate. I agree that this is uncool, but I'm not sure why you're adopting it as your problem. It's a sketchy guy posting a sketchy ad on craigslist. Anyone with sense would go in with skepticism, which it sounds like your model friend did, going with an escort and all that. He's not breaking any laws. Leave it between him and the people who interact with him.

I introduced her to the 'tickling world'. The only reason this guy knows about her is because of me. The only reason she knows about tickling fetishes and tickling videos is because of me. We have become friends after working together, and I don't like seeing her being tricked.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I wouldn't like seeing my friends tricked either. But your introducing her to the "tickling world" hardly makes this your responsibility. You don't seem to be crediting your friend with much agency of her own.

So the guy is being misleading. It's craigslist. Anyone who surfs craigslist thinking that all the posters are going to be legit, honest, and properly vetted are hopelessly naive. It's completely "at your own risk." She did well to bring an escort, stay safe, and get out of there.

 

[CrystalLight]

Ugh. Regardless of the whole finding it on Craigslist deal, that still sucks and I'm glad she had someone with her.

Sometimes the money just ain't worth it!

 

[c7_assassin]

That's kind of the difference between being a model and a whore. I don't think it's your job to 'out' him, since you weren't the one involved, but I wouldn't blame her if she wanted to. Or the next "model" he hires...

 

[CrystalLight]

That's kind of the difference between being a model and a whore. I don't think it's your job to 'out' him, since you weren't the one involved, but I wouldn't blame her if she wanted to. Or the next "model" he hires...

Doncha think whore is a little harsh?

 

[ZenTickling]

Yeah I won't mention forum names, but it's bullshit that the guy does what he does. He needs to make his 'job' listing clear that it is a personal meeting, not a professional one.

 

[subtle_feather]

I want to play devil's advocate for a moment here. The personalities involved notwithstanding, philosophically, what exactly is the difference between a model making a video with a "professional" producer for mass distribution and a model making a video with one guy so that he can get his jollies. In both cases, she is indulging a fetishist for money, no? I am not saying that I disagree with the OP, just curious about people's opinions.

 

[mb7700]

I want to play devil's advocate for a moment here. The personalities involved notwithstanding, philosophically, what exactly is the difference between a model making a video with a "professional" producer for mass distribution and a model making a video with one guy so that he can get his jollies. In both cases, she is indulging a fetishist for money, no? I am not saying that I disagree with the OP, just curious about people's opinions.

I agree. She's getting paid the same, she's still getting tickled by a stranger...what is the difference indeed?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I'm a bit uncertain whether or not to unmask this person.

Out him.

 

[lemoncake]

I hate when people misrepresent themselves, just say what you want, don't bs everyone. If he had said that it was a personal session and a not a job or gig then he wouldn't have had to "trick" someone into it. Also, by saying it was a job or gig, he may have thought that he would attract a "model type" and not just your average woman, it sounds like he wanted a certain type of woman since he asked about shoe size and age.

 

[ticklebrowse26]

I think this is a slightly bigger deal than just a sketchy guy posting a sketchy craigslist ad.

One crappy experience for a model -- who might be making initial forays into the fetish world -- could dissuade her from doing future videos with other producers. Or she/he may pass the word to other models about a bad experience with the so-called 'tickle-video producer'.

My perspective is that the TMF and other like-minded communities do a lot by allowing casually websurfing people to suddenly be exposed to new positive ways/ideas in the form of stories and pictures and videos and experiences. A dishonest craigslist ad, on the other hand, is at best just an uncomfortable experience for a model but at worst really bad publicity for people into tickling if law enforcement became involved, somehow.

How to deal with this give that you know this guy? I dunno. Maybe a curt message to him... or maybe a warning to your other models.

 

[RobAce]

I will repeat what I said last time. If you really have concerns about a TMF member using the TMF to mis-represent themself and giving a bad name to producers and such you need to bring it to the attention of Myriads and/or MTP Jeff.

Explain to them what you know, all of your evidence of wrong doing and mis-representation and let them make the call on whether or not this member needs to be told about their posting style and what they say in their posts and what they do on the forum.

Outing him to us (the general membership) will really not do much, especially if it is just a misunderstanding or if he words things a certain way that could be misunderstood but they really do not mean too.

Rob

 

[Phineas]

Out him.

Seconded. Too many creepers in this community lying to people for their own gratification because they know no one'll catch them.

 

[rhiannon]

I agree. She's getting paid the same, she's still getting tickled by a stranger...what is the difference indeed?

It's a question of trust! If you get tricked into something like that with false information, why would you let the person tie and tickle you?

And then it's a question of professionalism too. It IS a difference if a private person or a producer tickles you! A producer has to worry about technical shit to get a clip that he can sell. Filming a clip is not sexy at all.

When I do erotic photos, I want it to be a photographer who will worry about the lighting and the background more than staring at my naked body. He doesn't have to do that anyways, because he has seen plenty of naked women before.

If a guy who just bought a camera came in and wants to take nudes of me, running around with a hard-on the whole time - uh, yeah, that is a difference! It's about sex then, not about the photos.

That's what it comes down to with being tickled by a private person vs. producer as well!

 

[Phineas]

It's a question of trust! If you get tricked into something like that with false information, why would you let the person tie and tickle you?

Exactly. I know a lot of people here have problems comprehending things like "being honest", but the fact is that this clown lured a woman to his apartment under false pretenses in order to gratify himself. If you need someone to explain to you why no woman in her right mind wouldn't be wondering about her safety at that point, let alone actually go through with the "job", then I'd suggest a therapist.

Besides, if he's willing to go through all that trouble and pay someone, why not just be up-front about the fact that it's a personal session? Why lie and get a model rather than just hire an escort? At least that way everybody's on the same page.

'cept for the fact that it's impossible to connect with like-minded people on Craigslist anymore, of course. Damn site's overrun with porn bots...

 

[rhiannon]

Why lie and get a model rather than just hire an escort?

Probably because models are waaaaaay cheaper than an escort.

 

[mb7700]

I do agree that under the circumstances, he probably should have just found an escort (I'm sure plenty of them would have no problem being tickled for money!) OR at least stated in the ad that it was to be a private session. I just meant, in terms of what the model is actually doing, she's still being tickled for cash by a stranger. And frankly I don't see how any of these women could be comfortable being tied up by a stranger, even if they do bring someone with them!

 

[Wolf]

What fascinates me...

Is the lengths to which people (like this phony 'producer') will go to satisfy their fetish, while trying to shield themselves from rejection or ridicule.

Jesus H. Christ, people...go on a date once in a while! A brain and a sense of humor will get you almost anything you're looking for (well...almost anything described within this forum, anyway)!

 

[rhiannon]

I do agree that under the circumstances, he probably should have just found an escort (I'm sure plenty of them would have no problem being tickled for money!) OR at least stated in the ad that it was to be a private session. I just meant, in terms of what the model is actually doing, she's still being tickled for cash by a stranger. And frankly I don't see how any of these women could be comfortable being tied up by a stranger, even if they do bring someone with them!

As I already said, it is different if it is about the product that comes out in the end (=clip) or just about the sexual urges of the tickler!

And it is a difference if the tickler does it regularly (=producer) or is a private person and most likely never did it before. A producer has enough decency and professionalism not to go too far. You don't have that safety with a private person!

 

[ZenTickling]

I do agree that under the circumstances, he probably should have just found an escort (I'm sure plenty of them would have no problem being tickled for money!) OR at least stated in the ad that it was to be a private session. I just meant, in terms of what the model is actually doing, she's still being tickled for cash by a stranger. And frankly I don't see how any of these women could be comfortable being tied up by a stranger, even if they do bring someone with them!

You're right. At first you can never be sure.. and I would always be safe if I worked as a model. Most of my models, both tickling and photography models, bring escorts for the first shoot. After getting to know each other and developing a friendship, escorts are no longer necessary.

I'm glad she brought somebody with her, but she was still surprised and a bit freaked out. I just don't like the fact that a person would misrepresent themselves like that. This individual is constantly posting messages in the 'Personals' section here (and the chances of finding someone are close to zero), and he comes off as desperate. People like that scare me a little.. because of the desperation you never know what will happen.

The ad has been taken down.

 

[rhiannon]

Short question: Did she actually do the session or did she leave again?

I am also quite surprised that she didn't ask for samples of his 'work' before she went!